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741  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Gold has security issues too on: July 07, 2011, 03:48:12 PM
at one time i had a stash stored at Credit Suisse in Switzerland but got spooked about them during the banking crisis of 2008 before bringing it home.  i also considered storing it in a safety deposit box at my local bank but was advised that if the banking system went insolvent they could repossess it. 

You feared that the bank will steal your money because their business is bad? Wow, Bitcoin really is for you.

It's happened in the past.  What would prevent it in the future?

i know of wealthy ppl who back in the depths of 2008 were yanking $50K out of their bank accts everyday and storing it under their pillows.

David Einhorn of Greenlight Capital has pallets of gold stored in a private vault b/c he doesn't trust anyone else to hold it.

Eric Sprott of Sprott Asset Management holds his gold and silver in a private vault.  He is close to one the largest private holders of PM's in the world.

Have you heard of Bank Holidays?  thats when you can't get your money out when you most need it.

Have you heard of hedge funds locking down their clients accts b/c it would be too disruptive to let you have your own money in times of crisis.

why did the FDIC take their individual acct limit guarantees to unlimited even tho they didn't have the money to insure all depositors back in 2008?

most gold investors DO NOT leave their gold at the banks.

You're right, Bitcoin is for me!

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742  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Tradehill is down on: July 07, 2011, 02:05:15 PM
It's back up!
743  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Best 1-3 line selling pitch for Bitcoin on: July 07, 2011, 01:53:02 PM
LOL
744  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Gold has security issues too on: July 07, 2011, 01:35:28 PM
Bitcoin definitely has better storage and transportation features than gold. If you have to flee your country and cross borders try doing it with a wheelbarrow full of gold & silver. With bitcoin you can simply send your encrypted wallet up to the cloud and retrieve it on the other side. With that said, bitcoin is still new enough that I am hedging my bets and holding both bitcoin and precious metals.
745  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Tradehill is down on: July 07, 2011, 01:22:45 PM
Yes, TradeHill, can you give us a status report?
746  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Bitcoin Show on OnlyOneTV.com on: July 07, 2011, 01:48:41 AM
Re: Aljazeera episode: Nice story...sex, drugs, rock and roll...wait a minute - we're missing the sex and rock and roll! Somebody get Mick Jagger on the line...!
747  Economy / Goods / Re: Walmart/Safeway/Von's Gift Cards For BTC on: July 06, 2011, 11:36:41 PM
Bumping the thread to reflect the fact that I've now added Walmart gift cards.
748  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Miners and early adopters, make it rain! on: July 06, 2011, 11:30:04 PM

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My concern here is not so much "stimulating the economy" as it is marketing the economy. 

+1 I'm with you on this. Go bitcoin!
749  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: MY BTC just went POOF! on: July 06, 2011, 11:27:02 PM
If you create a new encrypted wallet & address, I could send you 0.3btc. I have loads just sitting there.

Remember to reformat completely & preferably keep the wallet file safe in an external location like an encr. USB drive or CD.

+1 Nice to see some good guys on this forum!
750  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Miners and early adopters, make it rain! on: July 06, 2011, 05:14:31 PM
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I appreciate your ideas, and I enjoyed reading the post you linked to, but more importantly the debate that followed.  I also appreciate the idea of a deflationary economy, but this is not a mature economy.  It's in a fragile state.  And it needs people to spend Bitcoins, so that more merchants will adopt it as a mode of exchange.

You cannot spend them until a merchant is willing to accept them. Bitcoin must be valued first in order for merchants to want to accept them. Saving bitcoins is a signal to the market that they are valued. This helps increase demand and merchants will jump into the market and offer to trade their products and services for bitcoin. The recent press and subsequent price spike drew in a lot of merchants who saw the value of getting paid in an appreciating currency.

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So it's none of your business how early adopters do with their money, but it is your business what we do with our money?  I'm not sure I follow that logic.  Why should we patronize Bitcoin vendors when it would be so much smarter for us to save our Bitcoins, since they're worth so much?

I didn't say it was my business what anybody does with their bitcoin. I merely suggested that, if you want to use bitcoin, park your money there instead of in dollars. This creates a demand for bitcoin - helping to increase its value and purchasing power. Then spend it with vendors who supply products and services that you would have bought anyway. Save the rest in bitcoin - again creating value for bitcoin and increasing potential demand. It would be silly to spend your money on things you don't need just because someone wants you to "stimulate the economy".

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The answer to that question is that we should patronize Bitcoin merchants and spend instead of save because if we don't, additional merchants won't adopt Bitcoin, and it will fade into obscurity and pennies on the dollar.  And what goes for us, who have only a few Bitcoins, goes for the early adopters, who have thousands of Bitcoins, a thousandfold.

Here's where the logic really gets fuzzy: Spend your bitcoin on products and services you don't need - essentially dumping your bitcoin on the market and depressing their price.
751  Economy / Goods / Walmart/Safeway/Von's Gift Cards For BTC on: July 06, 2011, 03:10:15 PM
Hello All,

I've got several Safeway Food and Fuel Gift Cards which can be used for anything in their stores including GAS.

These gift cards are good in USA and Canada at the following stores:

Safeway
Vons
Carrs Safeway
Genuardis
Pavillions
Dominick's
Randalls
Pak n Save Foods
Tom Thumb (not in CA)

Each gift card comes with a $100 balance and I will trade for 7.45 BTC each (subject to change). Please PM me for current quote.

I also have Walmart gift cards with the same terms.

Limited supply.

Lots of references. PM me for more info.

Thanks,
Trader Steve
752  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: A Simple Wallet Solution For iPhone on: July 06, 2011, 03:01:08 PM
it seems that the instawallet.com has been being mentioned on this forum a lot.


Correction: InstaWallet.org not InstaWallet.com
753  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Miners and early adopters, make it rain! on: July 06, 2011, 04:10:44 AM
I feel it's really none of my business what the early adopters and miners do with their bitcoin money. If they haven't spent much it is because they value holding their funds over spending them. It's simple economics that the holding vs. spending actually increases the demand for bitcoin by limiting supply and raising their value (increasing their desirability). When new people to the community see that bitcoin is valued enough to save they will see the merit in acquiring some and doing the same. The idea that "hoarding is bad" is a myth (see  http://economicsandliberty.wordpress.com/2011/06/10/bitcoin-and-the-virtue-of-hoarding-and-deflation/ ).

But, it shouldn't be hard for each of us to think about our everyday purchases and then try and figure out how to patronize bitcoin vendors who can supply us the same goods and services that we normally buy elsewhere. We can put our money where our mouths are and keep our paychecks in bitcoin and spend it out as needed - saving the excess.

Vendors, seeing a rising price of BTC will begin to see the benefit of getting paid in an appreciating currency, and will be more open to accepting it as payment. If you are a vendor and want to acquire bitcoin consider offering a discount to customers as an incentive for using bitcoin over other forms of payment.
754  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: A Simple Wallet Solution For iPhone on: July 06, 2011, 03:38:13 AM
Excellent! I have nothing to do with InstaWallet other than I think it is a very useful tool. This makes person-to-person and person-to-business transactions very simple.

Trader Steve
755  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / A Simple Wallet Solution For iPhone on: July 06, 2011, 01:20:01 AM
Nice and easy wallet solution for iPhone:

http://bitcointraining.wordpress.com/2011/07/05/simple-wallet-solution-for-iphone/

I’ve put together a simple tutorial for iPhone users where you can have quick and easy access to an online wallet where you can keep bitcoin “pocket change” – (enough for meals, taxi fares, small payments, etc.).  This would be the equivalent of what you would carry in your regular wallet for your daily needs.

Here’s how I did it:

I opened my iPhone browser and navigated to the link:  http://www.instawallet.org

This url creates an instant URL unique to your browsing session and it assigns you a bitcoin payment address that is visible right on the screen. The first thing you want to do is bookmark this unique URL. Next, double click and copy the bitcoin payment address that is generated for you on the page. Paste it into a new “Notes” page on your iPhone notepad. Make yourself a note that this is your “InstaWallet payment address” for receiving payments. This is the address you will give to others when you want to receive a small payment.  Here is what my Note now looks like:

    My InstaWallet payment address:

    1ME6HTc8aYtzkb43HfpmzGBtdGb7bfJMKz

I also emailed to my iPhone my bitcoin “savings” payment address (this is my separate and secure bitcoin wallet address to where I keep my savings at home) and then I copied and pasted this savings address to my same “Notes” page so it now looks like this:

    My InstaWallet payment address:

    1ME6HTc8aYtzkb43HfpmzGBtdGb7bfJMKz

    My Savings payment Address:

    1ME6HTc8aYtzkb43HfpmzGBtdGb7bfJMKz

[Note: in this example I've used the same payment address for both but in reality I have a separate payment address for my "savings" address]

With my unique InstaWallet URL now saved as a bookmark in my iPhone, and my “sending” and “receiving” addresses in my Notes page, I am now almost ready to do business.

First I send a small amount of funds from my “savings” account over to my InstaWallet payment address. My first transfer was a few of bitcoin (about $50 worth). In my bitcoin “savings” client I save and label my InstaWallet payment address so I’ll have it quickly available for the next time I want to “top up” my iPhone wallet.

Now I am fully prepared to engage in small transactions quickly and easily from my iPhone. If I want to stop on over to Mezze Grill for lunch I simply scan their QR code for the bitcoin payment address, open up my bookmarked InstaWallet page, and paste the payment address into the payment field and press “send payment”.  If my buddy wants to reimburse me for drinks I simply open my Notes page, copy my InstaWallet payment address, paste it into a text and send it over to him so he can pay me. If I end up receiving several small payments that add up to more than I feel comfortable keeping in my mobile wallet I simply send a payment over to my “savings” address.

My iPhone is password protected and I don’t carry around any more money in this wallet than I can afford to lose without too much heartburn. If I wanted, I could also securely write down my unique InstaWallet URL and keep it in a safe place in case my iPhone is lost or stolen. In the event my iPhone is lost or stolen I could simply enter the URL in my home browser and spend out the funds to my savings account.

There you have it – a simple and easy mobile wallet for your iPhone! If you found this info valuable please send a tip to my payment address above and help buy me a drink!

Enjoy!
756  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Only one of many reasons why bitcoins wont fail on: July 05, 2011, 08:25:28 PM
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Bitcoin, however, does not require "everything to believe in it completely and abandon their dollars." All it requires to be successful is people, at the margins, to give it a try. Dollars and BTC are not an either-or proposition.


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757  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Mybitcoin is a scam! on: July 05, 2011, 06:11:14 PM
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(5)   Your Bitcoin "Savings Account" - for larger amounts - like long-term savings:  Follow the video tutorial to create a totally secure encrypted off-line and backed-up wallet for an easy-to-use bitcoin address for making frequent "deposits" and infrequent "withdrawals".    (see linked video tutorial)


Bruce, where is this tutorial? Thanks!
758  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Only one of many reasons why bitcoins wont fail on: July 05, 2011, 03:22:25 PM
I wrote the following response to another thread (http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=26103.0) that I think has relevance here:

The average customer needs to have a compelling reason to use bitcoin for purchases. Here are few reasons that "could" motivate him:

1. He values the privacy of a bitcoin transaction
2. He prefers to hold his money in his own personal "bank" (wallet) instead of at a traditional (fractional reserve) bank
3. There is a major loss of confidence in his nation's currency
4. He feels that bitcoin is a better store of value than his national currency
5. The vendor offers a discount for customers who pay with bitcoin - (key strategy for vendors who prefer bitcoin!)
6. He likes the "ease of storage" feature of bitcoin
7. He likes the portability feature of bitcoin (especially across national borders)
8. He has philosophical reasons (prefers free-market money over central-planner money)

As noted in the previous post, there doesn't need to be 100% acceptance of bitcoin for everyday exchanges in order for it to be useful. Consider that gold is primarily valued as a "store of value" but that it is not used in everyday exchanges/purchases in any meaningful way. The question then becomes, are bitcoin's features valued enough that people will trade national currencies (and other assets) for them? I think this question has already been answered in the affirmative by the market. The next major question, in my opinion, is how will attacks from nation states effect bitcoin's value? If it is forced into the black market will it's price go up, as is in the case of illegal drugs, or will its value drop due to fear of prosecution?
759  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin _is_ more convenient on: July 05, 2011, 03:00:40 PM
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Also, it just doesn't really make any sense for a customer to convert their real money into bitcoins and then pay with bitcoins and then for the seller to convert the bitcoins back into real money.  What a hassle that is completely unnecessary and offers literally no advantages to consumers.

You are 100% correct. The average customer needs to have a compelling reason to use bitcoin for purchases. Here are few reasons that "could" motivate him:

1. He values the privacy of a bitcoin transaction
2. He prefers to hold his money in his own personal "bank" (wallet) instead of at a traditional (fractional reserve) bank
3. There is a major loss of confidence in his nation's currency
4. He feels that bitcoin is a better store of value than his national currency
5. The vendor offers a discount for customers who pay with bitcoin - (key strategy for vendors who prefer bitcoin!)
6. He likes the "ease of storage" feature of bitcoin
7. He likes the portability feature of bitcoin (especially across national borders)
8. He has philosophical reasons (prefers free-market money over central-planner money)

As noted in the previous post, there doesn't need to be 100% acceptance of bitcoin for everyday exchanges in order for it to be useful. Consider that gold is primarily valued as a "store of value" but that it is not used in everyday exchanges/purchases in any meaningful way. The question then becomes, are bitcoin's features valued enough that people will trade national currencies (and other assets) for them? I think this question has already been answered in the affirmative by the market. The next major question, in my opinion, is how will attacks from nation states effect bitcoin's value? If it is forced into the black market will it's price go up, as is in the case of illegal drugs, or will its value drop due to fear of prosecution?
760  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Happy Secession Day - Bitcoin Facebook Photo on: July 04, 2011, 10:39:13 PM
I've made this as my FB profile pic today... anyone wanna join?


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