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741  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Stake.com is not a safe gambling site on: September 22, 2017, 03:54:50 PM
This is an FYI for any btc gamblers. The games At stake.com are not fair.
I've wagered millions at live casinos, online with cash and btc and this one takes the cake for being a rip off.
The way it works is sort of like dice but with your balance. say I have 100 btc in my account. If I use 25% of my account on a bet, there will be a 25% chance for me to win. If I drop 100% of my account on a bet, I'll have .01 chance of winning. It's actually a joke at how easily the system is identifiable.  I originally went there because a longstanding member of this site is the owner but now I see the light.

And no, this is not because I lost, I withdrew 2 btc from this crap shoot, thanks for the 10k.


So let me make sure I'm getting the facts right:

  • You didn't find a flaw in the provably fair system that would allow them to undetectibly cheat
  • You didn't have any games not verify
  • You won 2 btc

..and you believe you were cheated?
742  Economy / Gambling / Re: FAIRLAY - SPORTS BETTING for experts - highest liquidity, provably best odds on: September 20, 2017, 11:47:43 PM
I have monitor this gentleman’s post for a while...
Indeed. Even your first post on this forum was about it  Wink

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he is definitely a fraudster as anyone legit would of provided docs requested immediately..
That's absolutely not true. There are many people who would be hesitant to provide their identification to some shady company. I mean, they're not even "Fairlay LLC" but rather "Fairlay S.L.R" and in their incorporation filing forms they say their company is for the purpose of "trade, real estate, investments, tourism, import/export and trade". Jeez, why would you not trust them.


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also his deposit and withdrawal pattern does not match a legitimate player..

Are you saying that you are you privy to this?  Wink

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Anyway, my point isn't to defend betg. I know nothing about him, but as a casino owner I know it's not a casinos job to play judge, jury and executioner. If fairlay suspects there is money laundering or what not, it should be reported to the authorities and surrendered or investigated through the proper channels. It is absolutely not fair or reasonable for them to just pocket it.
743  Economy / Gambling / Re: FAIRLAY - SPORTS BETTING for experts - highest liquidity, provably best odds on: September 20, 2017, 10:52:43 PM
We won't pay out the money unless ordered by court or police.

Ha, that's funny. Reputable casinos have exact opposite policy  Wink

But as you mentioned court order, I took a look at your site:

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This agreement is made and entered into by and between you and Fairlay LLC, incorporated in the Republic of Costa Rica under ID number 3-101-736435 of the National Registery

So I was planning on requesting the full company / personnel details to give betg a legal avenue to make his claim, but there are no such records of a company existing. I guess it's no surprise as there are no LLC's in Costa Rica. Just  S.A. and S.R.L.'s.



There appears to be no problem with their site, as it is working for every other legitimately incorporated company that I have tried.
744  Economy / Gambling / Re: [Poll] who is or was the Moneypot.com the bitcoin gambling wallet founder? on: September 20, 2017, 09:25:31 PM
I thought espringe invented wallet also because the thread where he sold it, there was said moneypot wallet. It was maybe in 2014 year.

The original "moneypot" was actually a game, and had nothing to do with "the gambling wallet". I purchased "moneypot the game" which came with the moneypot.com domain, and was working on a "gambling wallet" service (which at the time, I called "vault"). But I found the name "moneypot" was more suitable for the gambling wallet than the game, so what I did was rebrand "moneypot the game" as "bustabit". And launched "vault" as "moneypot the gambling wallet".  And then later sold moneypot.com (which at this time was the gambling wallet project).

So yeah, it's a bit of a confusing history  Grin
745  Economy / Gambling / Re: FAIRLAY - SPORTS BETTING for experts - highest liquidity, provably best odds on: September 20, 2017, 09:21:55 PM
Give him an IP ban and be done with it, stealing users funds is a big no no in this industry. Especially if you want to grow bigger and increase your userbase.

Yeah, absolutely. They have every right to refuse him service, and even permanently ban him from the site. But taking the guys money is just not fair.
746  Economy / Gambling / Re: FAIRLAY - SPORTS BETTING for experts - highest liquidity, provably best odds on: September 20, 2017, 05:59:07 PM
The user could not prove his identity when asked. We have to assume he sent in fake documents.

So you asked for documents, and when he reluctantly provides them -- you dismiss them as fake, because he didn't provide them immediately?


Can I ask what is the real problem here. You're upset he used your service for mixing purpose? And you feel that taking thousands of his money is justifiable punishment?



I'll be honest, if there's some police investigation going on about the funds or something of the sort -- I'll be a bit sympathetic to you holding the money. But just taking someone's coins because you feel like it is really shocking.
747  Economy / Gambling / Re: FAIRLAY - SPORTS BETTING for experts - highest liquidity, provably best odds on: September 19, 2017, 10:43:16 PM

There were very strong indications that the user is involved in illegal activities. We are required to take action against it.   We gave the user several opportunities to explain  and to identify himself. He failed and even substantiated our initial suspicion.  Please just ignore his posts.
Mainly: there was no illegal activities just You may put this as "mixing" as someone told before but this is not worth as there's many other mixers if You want to do this as I found after I have realized what mixing is. I had instant withdrawals and didn't realize that I have to play with deposits as I have been moving money in and out if I didn't want to play after deposit for some reason (lines changed).
Secondly: I have explained this many times + I have send them ID + utility bill iven when I really didn't want to do this but finally decided to send it as they have been holding my funds 4 months.
The last: if You want to take "action against it" then pay out my balance and close the account instead of stealing my deposit!
You have been replying to my e-mails until I have sent my verification documents then You have stopped, why did You request all of them when You didn't want to pay me out anyway? how can I get my funds?
Where are You licensed - I am asking 4th time - please give me this information, thank you.

@FairlaySupport, can you please reply to this?

If this is true, I find it rather disturbing and damaging to the industry as a whole. You are well within your rights to refuse this user service, but holding his money (especially if he jumps through hoops to prove his identity) seems wildly unethical.
748  Economy / Gambling / Re: [Poll] who is or was the Moneypot.com the bitcoin gambling wallet founder? on: September 18, 2017, 12:20:39 PM
I'm not sure why this is a poll, you could've PM'd and just asked. Anyway, the answer is it was me. I created the original version, and then ~6 (?) months later sold it to the current owners.
749  Economy / Gambling / Re: bustabit.com -- The Social Gambling Game on: September 18, 2017, 02:30:24 AM
How's the investment feature coming along? Is that still on track to be released?

Yeah, that part has all been written and extensively tested. I'm honestly super happy with how that has all turned out. The rest of the site, however, is still pretty rough. But at this point it's primary cosmetic stuff, so in the coming week I hope to iron most of it out.

750  Economy / Gambling / Re: bustabit.com -- The Social Gambling Game on: September 17, 2017, 03:56:52 AM
Just saw this today:
https://www.bustabit.com/game/4420630

Pretty cool, a 5.6M game. And niks28 managed to actually cashout at 100,000x  (although with only 1 bit Cheesy)
751  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: busteth.com probably fair seeding evet on: September 17, 2017, 03:27:12 AM
I've created an archive of the details:
http://archive.is/6lqXb

and quoting the message to prevent editing.

Please note, this is not an endorsement of the site (I have never heard of it until just now). I am just quoting it to prevent editing

Disclaimer: I was hired by busteth.com to make this seeding event and therefore set up the provably fair system on the game. I will not be part of the team that will manage this site.

This will reuse the idea posted by Ryan and used for Bustabit.

  • A chain of 10 million sha256 hashes was generated, starting with a Server Secret that has been repeatedly fed the output of sha256 hash back into itself 10 million times.
    The final hash in the chain is: 75cbd770ca8fb67eca373b80b0fde7decca0e953ba201d895ba64b6029c889fa, by publicizing it here we are preventing any ability to pick an alternate sha256 chain.
  • SteemCrashwill play through that chain of hashes, in reverse order, and use the hashes to determine the crash point.
  • To avoid criticism that the Server Secret used in step 1 was carefully chosen to generate lots of "bad" crash points, each hash in the chain will be salted with a client seed, which we have no control of.
    The client seed will be the block hash of a Ethereum  block that hasn't yet been mined: block 4,283,000.

The reference code (javascript) is as follows:

The method to create the hash chain is simply sha256:
Code:
function genGameHash(serverSeed) {
  return crypto.createHash('sha256').update(serverSeed).digest('hex');
}

The method to convert a game hash, mix it with the picked client seed to a money pot multiplier:
Code:
function crashPointFromHash(serverSeed, clientSeed) {
  function divisible(hash, mod) {
    // We will read in 4 hex at a time, but the first chunk might be a bit smaller
    // So ABCDEFGHIJ should be chunked like  AB CDEF GHIJ
    var val = 0;
    
    var o = hash.length % 4;
    for (var i = o > 0 ? o - 4 : 0; i < hash.length; i += 4) {
      val = ((val << 16) + parseInt(hash.substring(i, i+4), 16)) % mod;
    }

    return val === 0;
  }

  var hash = crypto.createHmac('sha256', serverSeed).update(clientSeed).digest('hex');

  /* In 1 of 101 games the game crashes instantly. */
  if (divisible(hash, 101))
     return 0;

  /* Use the most significant 52-bit from the hash
     to calculate the crash point */
  var h = parseInt(hash.slice(0,52/4),16);
  var e = Math.pow(2,52);

  return Math.floor((100 * e - h) / (e - h));
}

The chain could be generated with code such as:
Code:
var serverSecret =  'If you knew this, you could steal all my money';
var clientSeed = '0000examplehash';

var gamesToGenerate = 1e7;

var serverSeed = serverSecret;

for (var game = gamesToGenerate; game > 0; --game) {
  serverSeed = genGameHash(serverSeed);
  console.log('Game ' +  game + ' has a crash point of ' + (crashPointFromHash(serverSeed, clientSeed) / 100).toFixed(2) +'x', '\t\tHash: ' + serverSeed);
}

var terminatingHash = genGameHash(serverSeed);

console.log('The final hash is: ', terminatingHash);


Using our chosen starting serverSeed, the hash terminating the chain is 75cbd770ca8fb67eca373b80b0fde7decca0e953ba201d895ba64b6029c889fa. That is to say, the first game's hash played under the new provably fair scheme, when hashed will be 75cbd770ca8fb67eca373b80b0fde7decca0e953ba201d895ba64b6029c889fa
752  Economy / Gambling / Re: bustabit.com -- The Social Gambling Game on: September 14, 2017, 09:28:50 PM
Do you have access to the game results to see if certain people were or were not betting during the early bust times?  There is a long stretch of bets that they didn't deviate, maybe something can be gleaned from that info. 

I had a look, but I can't notice anything. Here for instance is a manipulated game:
https://www.7mbtc.com/game/1229619

I suspect it's just randomized, or possibly human-controlled but I'm not sure.


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Also, if they had altered their house edge (in a fair way), would it only crash lower on already <1.97x crashes?  Wouldn't it be lower across the board?

Well, there is an infinite way of changing the house edge and I'd argue they are all fair as long as done honestly. You could even do something like "Every 2nd game is 0x" and that would be fair if you are open about it.

However 7mbtc.com publicly claims to have 0-1% house edge, and links to a verification script: ( https://jsfiddle.net/1L1uqcgv/6/embedded/result/  ) which generally works, but has anomalies which can only be explained by cheating. I have been able to reproduce vadoff's findings, there's definitely something dishonest going on.
753  Economy / Gambling / Re: bustabit.com -- The Social Gambling Game on: September 14, 2017, 09:13:01 PM
Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but it looks like they are saying that some games are crashing at very low numbers (which would make most if not all players lose when some of them would have won) when they should be crashing at higher numbers. 

You're reading it right. It's not clear to me if 7mbtc.com is intentionally manipulating results (e.g. adjusting it in response to a whale or something), or has altered their house-edge/formula and not properly advertising it.
754  Economy / Gambling / Re: bustabit.com -- The Social Gambling Game on: September 14, 2017, 06:48:01 PM
So thanks to the extensive research of vadoff, you can see potentially manipulated results from (7mbtc.com) in purple:
https://jsfiddle.net/vadoff/r4kp44Lv/1/embedded/result/

I can't come up with a good explanation for how this would be happening, and it means their house edge isn't matching what they are advertising. I will update the bustabit.com/license.txt file to reference this post
755  Economy / Gambling / Re: bustabit.com -- The Social Gambling Game on: September 14, 2017, 06:19:42 PM
I have received a credible scam accusation against 7mbtc.com, which is a korean licensed (they paid me 2 btc) version of bustabit. Thanks to the provably fair scheme, we can see they are manipulating about ~8% of the games.

More details will follow, but just a heads up for now to avoid this site while it's being worked out.

756  Economy / Gambling / Re: ⚫️ DICEYBIT CASINO ⚫️ PRE-ICO STARTED! Join our program and become token owner! on: September 12, 2017, 04:18:49 PM
Anyway, MD5 does not have effect for results we use it only for a check.

Yes it does:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MD5#Collision_vulnerabilities

Players need to be sure you're not changing the results, but because collision vulnerabilities it means there could be multiple results and players have absolutely no way of knowing!  Using a cryptographic hash function like sha256 does not contain these vulnerabilities, and we know there can only be a single result that hashes to your hash.



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Just only for better reading, I agree. Also, we will add md5(or other) function for check in nearest future to make honesty control easier.

I don't know what you mean, but it's essential.

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Determination is a proof!

[...snip...]
ou
Next Round honesty secured before you make bet (fixed, thank you)

Yes, you are only proving you picked the result ahead of time. You are not proving it was done fairly. Trust me on this one, your scheme is broken and not provably fair. If you want to be provably fair, copy the scheme from just-dice.com   It is robust and an an industry standard now.

If you are keen about using your quantum-random-number generator, you can use it for your actual server seed. It's still totally compatible with the Just-Dice provably fair scheme, and actually gives players assurances the games are fair.
757  Economy / Gambling / Re: bustabit.com -- The Social Gambling Game on: September 11, 2017, 02:27:40 AM
Have you ever considered actually opening a true wallet service?

Yeah. I actually have all the pieces that could make a really kick-ass wallet service (at least if you care about fees and on-chain privacy). The main problem is just that I'm really constrained for time. I'm already pretty delayed for bustabitv2 (I really wanted it out 6 months ago), no small part because of side-tracking with stuff like integrating a constraint-solver for handling withdrawals in a privacy/fee maximizing way Smiley

But if after the bustabitv2 launch everything is going smooth, I might split out the code to make a special wallet service =)
758  Economy / Gambling / Re: bustabit.com -- The Social Gambling Game on: September 10, 2017, 11:07:52 PM
WARNING!

There still is no governmental or regulatory framework governing online gambling or eGaming whatsoever, as such no official Costa Rica Online Gambling License designed to deal with e-gaming (gambling over the Internet) exists.

The absence of legislation governing online gambling operations or administration from Costa Rica means very clearly that a Costa Rica Online Gambling License does NOT exist!

As no special Costa Rica Online Gambling License exists or is required in Costa Rica, the business is operated by a specifically registered Costa Rican Company.

This provides for all the profits from the company to be tax free and indemnifies the directors from liability!

You're wrong on a few points, (e.g. Costa Rica companies aren't tax free, among other taxes they need to for pay a 15% withholding tax on all money taken out of the company), but your post is more or less on the mark.

If players want to be sure the game is fair (as they should) they will need to verify the provably fair scheme, which offers some strong guarantees. This is far better than blindly trusting a regulator is able to completely supervise it (which is technically not feasible, and never happens).
759  Economy / Gambling / Re: ✅ DuckDice.io 🎲 MAX 2K Faucet 🎲 120%Deposit Bonus 🎲 1%Edge 🎲 Fair 🎲 Chat 🎲 on: September 10, 2017, 10:15:01 PM
My conversation with him is a private thing, but I can inform that I offered my service for 1 BTC.

rofl. I always suspected you were a paid shill (who scams on the side). But I guess this confirms it.
760  Economy / Gambling / Re: 🌟🔴🌟🎲🌟🔴🌟MONEYPOT.com -- Crypto Casino Suite and Web Wallet 🌟🔴🌟🎲🌟🔴🌟 on: September 10, 2017, 03:51:42 PM
BCC was not collected or distributed.  We encouraged all users to withdraw ahead of the Aug 1st fork and a small number of people made previous arrangements to collect their BCC while still part of the house bankroll. 

We will not, nor ever, support BCC in any shape or form.

Hm? I don't mean to sounds like an ass, but I don't understand this. Didn't you guys have like have 500+ bitcoin or something? At current prices that's like $300k USD worth of BCC.  I don't understand how you could possibly justify not collecting so much free money, especially when you're still holding all that unpaid debt to investors. I might be a bit off base here, but the only logical reason I can think of is that it might exacerbate solvency issues?
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