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781  Economy / Speculation / Re: I want to invest everything I have in bitcoin this year ($12,300). 2014 specs? on: February 06, 2014, 03:42:04 PM
Invest what you can afford to lose, not everything you have!!! Are you mad??

If you have no dependents and can't afford to lose all your liquid assets, I pity you.


Are you suggesting someone should put every single penny they own into something that can be defined all but predictable? If this is the case, I pity you too.

Nope.  I'm not suggesting anything of the sort.  I don't care how OP wishes to gamble with their money (it's not "investment" if there's no understanding).

I'm merely offended by the notion that one cannot afford to lose X, where most people in the world cannot afford to dream of attaining X. 
782  Economy / Speculation / Re: I want to invest everything I have in bitcoin this year ($12,300). 2014 specs? on: February 06, 2014, 02:16:51 PM
Invest what you can afford to lose, not everything you have!!! Are you mad??

If you have no dependents and can't afford to lose all your liquid assets, I pity you.
783  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: BIP0032 Hierarchical Deterministic Wallet key generator bip32utils (Python) on: February 05, 2014, 07:23:12 PM
Yes, it would be cleaner to make those module constants; I was in a bit of a rush to get this part implemented.  That's good feedback for cleanup.

Ah, that makes sense.  I didn't consider that any of this work was rushed because, frankly, if I were to rush a bit of code, it simply wouldn't run.

Please take into account the experimental nature of the software.

Don't worry.  I'll only be playing with trivial amounts.
784  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: BIP0032 Hierarchical Deterministic Wallet key generator bip32utils (Python) on: February 05, 2014, 06:50:31 PM
Disclaimer: Don't expect much from me.  I'm not a programmer and only created a GitHub account so I could comment on a Regex Golf Gist.

So far I've just been playing with the basics.

I generated BIP0032 test vector #1 using the command in your readme and got the desired result.

I then created my own master key with bip32gen and used your Base58 module to decompose the output and compare it with the serialisation format as specified by BIP0032.  I managed to recover the private key just fine.

Code:
$ bip32gen -i entropy -f /dev/random -n 128 -o privkey,xprv -F - -X m
aec8cfc47b43d518e1c6ce27ca2035af7f598f39e10748be395a27be23dcf1ee
xprv9s21ZrQH143K3E8CHFyZactH1tY5gnofwvtELcdtUeZuewTYh32z1sQdBfCdUdc1CcGAMVLddqUK9ioP6NGRtPNRAbFRp6RLbte1iVqduC2

Code:
>>> Base58.decode('xprv9s21ZrQH143K3E8CHFyZactH1tY5gnofwvtELcdtUeZuewTYh32z1sQdBfCdUdc1CcGAMVLddqUK9ioP6NGRtPNRAbFRp6RLbte1iVqduC2').encode('hex')[92:-8]
'aec8cfc47b43d518e1c6ce27ca2035af7f598f39e10748be395a27be23dcf1ee'

I did have a quick look at the code but I didn't get so far with it.  I got a little confused as your style changed.  For example, compare the extended key version handling in fromExtendedKey
Code:
        # Verify address version/type
        version = raw[:4]
        if version.encode('hex') == '0488ade4':
            keytype = 'xprv'
        elif version.encode('hex') == '0488b21e':
            keytype = 'xpub'
        else:
            raise ValueError("unknown extended key version")
to that in ExtendedKey
Code:
        version = '\x04\x88\xB2\x1E' if private is False else '\x04\x88\xAD\xE4'

On this topic:  Would 0x0488ade4 and 0x0488b21e be better as module constants?  How easy would it be to add support for testnet keys?

That's all I have time for today.  Hopefully I'll find time to move some funds around tomorrow.
785  Economy / Economics / Re: The relative theory of value on: February 05, 2014, 12:59:04 PM
I'd be willing to bet that most people are better aware of the relativity of value than the relativity of velocity.  Ask someone what it means to be still in space.

Some people coming to understand a thing already known by many others is not a "major breakthrough in thinking".
786  Economy / Economics / Re: Talking about 'MONEY' SUPPLY on: February 05, 2014, 12:43:17 PM
Today's money supply is taken care of by private institutions such as 'Central Banks' or 'Federal Reserves' but it hasn't always been like that. Indeed, for example, in the US, former presidents such as Jackson or Lincoln had tried to implement 'free-of-debt' money issued by the government (i.e. "green bucks").

As far as I'm aware, Andrew Jackson was a strong proponent of decentralised power (small government) and hard money.  Lincoln was a nationalist (big government) that created a fiat money (not backed by gold/silver, can be used to pay taxes (legal tender)) called the "green-back" (because the ink used on the reverse side was green).

Nowadays, it seems that debt had clearly become out of control, making it even impossible to pay its interest.

Citation?

But I dont get it, as everything that has been lent so far, it has to eventually be repaid (+interest). So how and with what can we even repay the interests since we dont create the money to repay them?

Simple.  You earn more money to pay the interest.  If the bank that lent the currency into existence simply destroys it when it's repaid then it will be impossible to pay the interest.  If, instead, that bank spends the repaid currency on hookers and blow, then those hookers and drug dealers will have the means to pay the interest.

It seems money is now printed only to repay those interests (but is not even enough). So to me, it is some kind of a big cycle with no sustainable money supply since it always have to get back to its issuer at some point.

Well yes, you can't truly pay off a loan + interest purely by borrowing more money.  This would be like paying off a credit card by using another credit card.  At some point, you're going to be so indebted that you can't borrow enough to make the interest payments.

Now talking about bitcoin, everybody can 'create' it. OK, fair enough. But what about the few who where there first and got the most of it in the early stage? Wouldn't this mean that they are actually in control of bitcoin supply?

In a word: No.  They cannot create new bitcoins, they can only spend the bitcoins they have.  Once their bitcoins are gone, they are as powerless as you and I.
787  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: BIP0032 Hierarchical Deterministic Wallet key generator bip32utils (Python) on: February 05, 2014, 12:27:33 AM
Nice!

I'll play with this tomorrow and post some feedback here.
788  Economy / Economics / Re: How A Horrific Killing Led This Guy To Run 3,000 Miles on: February 04, 2014, 11:34:09 AM
I don't understand idea why i should give money to someone who run instead of giving it directly to poor people....

To me it's bullhit

Proof of work.
789  Economy / Economics / Re: "Blue-Chip"-Coins on: February 03, 2014, 08:33:33 PM
If you perceive this as too risky/volatile then stick with fiat and make a note to check out cryptocurrencies next year.


I can't. I fear, I'd miss a hell of a party.

Cool.  In which case I can only echo hilariousandco.  Read, read, and read some more (I'd start with Satoshi's 9-page whitepaper).
790  Economy / Economics / Re: "Blue-Chip"-Coins on: February 03, 2014, 12:27:51 PM
Short-term price movements shouldn't affect you if you're investing long-term.

If you want to minimise volatility you should look to older coins or coins with greater "market cap" as a general rule of thumb.  Note that some currencies don't derive their value primarily from their network effect (look up Nextcoin and NoFiatCoin).

My recommendation would be to go with Bitcoin.  If you perceive this as too risky/volatile then stick with fiat and make a note to check out cryptocurrencies next year.
791  Economy / Speculation / Re: Diversification into alt coins. on: February 02, 2014, 05:51:23 PM
My retirement portfolio:

30% Bitcoin
20% Litecoin
20% Dogecoin
10% US dollars
10% Saturncoin
10% gold

I would usually have a chunk in real estate but the current housing market seems a bit risky for my taste.
792  Economy / Speculation / Re: Diversification into alt coins. on: February 01, 2014, 08:31:55 PM
Those alt coins(junkcoins) are spreading the investment of bitcoin and can't be good for crypto as a whole, they will also destroy people's trust of cryptocurrencies after their crash and run and disapparation.

yes and, you can't stop it.

Sure you can.  Just click the "ignore" link next to banaltcoin's post.  Works like a charm!
793  Economy / Speculation / Re: January 31st, the Downfall of Bitcoin on: January 30, 2014, 10:35:35 PM
Another bull in a bear suit who wants you to sell him your coins at a discount.

can some artist please draw a picture of this so that we can just paste the pic in for each one of these threads. Grin

I'm not artist and can't find anything like this online.  However, I'm not about to make perfect the enemy of good.


794  Economy / Speculation / Re: BTCchina IS BACK, bank deposits restored!!! on: January 30, 2014, 10:15:47 PM
it is going down, the crypto oracle has predicted it

(this is confirmed)


See, now it looks like he's playing proudhon's game but you can't even tell.

I bet he's a proudhon alt.

A poudhon alt !!!
That made me LOL

I don't trust any of the alt-hons.  Most of them are little more than cheap copies of the original proudhon.
795  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Why hold BTC on MtGox? on: January 30, 2014, 11:42:54 AM
There certainly do appear to be some serious issues with bitcoin withdrawals at Mt.Gox these days.  My interpretation of http://thegoxreport.com/ is that most people are managing to get funds out but a lot of withdrawals are failing.

Combining this with some form of daily withdrawal limit and you can rationally argue in favour of holding Mt.Gox bitcoins on the order book in certain circumstances.  This does support some volume but it should be temporary and declining rapidly.

And it seems that the ask-side volume of Mt.Gox is declining rapidly.  The total number of bitcoins on the order book at Mt.Gox has dropped from 1402 to 922 in the past 24 hours.

So it seems the answer to: "Why are you holding BTC on Mt.Gox?" is: "Is there a problem with Mt.Gox? ... really? ... shit! ... *clicks withdraw* (doesn't work) ... SHIT!!!"

Thanks for helping me clear this up guys.
796  Economy / Economics / Re: Businesses that *spend* bitcoin? on: January 29, 2014, 03:18:13 PM
I imagine that archive.org is still spending bitcoin on labour.
797  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: would you accept stolen bitcoins? on: January 27, 2014, 09:34:22 PM
Yes, I'd make sure my client was configured to ignore and and all blacklists.

If I personally suspect that the coins are the proceeds of crime then I would only willingly accept them if the amount was sufficient to compensate my risk.
798  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Why hold BTC on MtGox? on: January 27, 2014, 05:26:04 PM
You can withdraw pretty quickly if you have a bank account in Japan.

Obviously not many people do or they'd be stacking the cash on arbitrage.

Ok, but any arbitrage will manifest as pressure on the Mt.Gox rate to converge to the global mean.  This is just another reason to prefer holding Mt.Gox dollars to holding Mt.Gox bitcoins.
799  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Why hold BTC on MtGox? on: January 27, 2014, 05:06:06 PM
Just day trade to get more btc then cashout the btc to another exchange!

But in this case it would make more sense to send the bitcoins to another exchange before day-trading.  Why take the risk that Mt.Gox will fail while you're still day-trading there?
800  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Why hold BTC on MtGox? on: January 27, 2014, 03:35:14 PM
Gox is messing up BTC withdrawals now ....

Oh, this is news to me.  I think the situation makes more sense if bitcoins are locked inside Mt.Gox almost as effectively as USD are.
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