If the other pools are going to cry about how it isn't fair they're not getting any of the hashpower maybe they should be offering zero-fee for ASICMINER rigs pointed to them? Otherwise it just looks like people having some sense of entitlement to rake their little bit in fees off the top.
It's not like there's any danger whatsoever of ASICMINER approaching 50% on its own - so there's no valid argument (from that persepctive) why the rigs need to be pointed at pools at all. Sure - so far Avalon have only shown a couple of prototypes and no evidence of any ability to mass-produce, but now they have the prepayments for batch 2 surely they'll be able to start shipping the rest of batch 1 before long.
Even IF ASICMINER had 50%+, pointing the rigs at pools would be a purely PR stunt - as at any point they could be swapped over to solo mining/double-spending.
This whole pool argument smacks of self-interest from other pool operators/supporters rather than having much/anything to do with network security.
Well I haven't seen anyone cry yet, so no reason to mitigate the crying... |
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10$ who guesses who the next ddos victim is? Lol
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Yes it does. BFL's target ship date is only a week away and once their units start hashing ASICMiner's proportion of network power will drop dramatically. It would be crazy not to exploit this small window of opportunity to the max.
BFL...target... Not scared for some reason. |
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Pre Update
The deploying is in process. We are stress testing on btcguild with a portion of our devices. The current computation power is close to 2TH/s.
We have been working day and night and still are. The real update will be given in a few hours.
cheers buddy. |
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If that is Asicminer, it would be interesting to know what the plans are for the money being raised (~$5000/day?). Is there enough in the bank from the IPO to fund the full 50TH/s expansion, or will some of this be withheld in order to get all the wafer starts underway for the big push now that the design has been proven?
lol with that kind of money being printed, I wouldn't worry much about IPO funds ROFL. Honestly though, with that kind of waved deployment, and constant, I only see 2 options. Avalon defaulted and started mining with the rigs (or decided to mine a couple days to make a couple million before shipping). Or asicminer. But the silence is killing me. No offense, but while it's definitely a lot of money, it's not like they're absolutely rolling in cash right now. They have about 1/8th of their initial deployment done assuming it is Asicminer, and unless they pick up the pace they could still be adding the initial 12TH/s as BFL devices are coming online in early March. Again, assuming BFL ships reasonably on time. Longterm planning is key to Asicminer's success, just buying 12TH/s worth of equipment and mining with that will not maximize shareholder value. You took that way too seriously. I didn't post an analysis. And yeah, BFL deadlines don't really mean much to me. |
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In all fairness, with the deployment of a machine that can print money at the rate or 500k a day, my beauty sleep would take a hit.
You're an order of magnitude off. Current generation rate of the whole network is 6*24=144 blocks and 144*25 = 3600 BTC per day. Multiply that by your favorite exchange rate and you get the maximum output. Short-term target for ASICMINER is 6-12 TH/s which translates into 1/6-1/3 of the whole network, which translates into 600-1200 BTC per day, which translates into 15k-30k USD (1BTC@25USD). In the spirit that my post was meant, it implied "lose sleep to deploy 12TH" which translates to roughly 500k. My post was obviously not meant as a profits prediction. http://allchains.info/calc.html |
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If that is Asicminer, it would be interesting to know what the plans are for the money being raised (~$5000/day?). Is there enough in the bank from the IPO to fund the full 50TH/s expansion, or will some of this be withheld in order to get all the wafer starts underway for the big push now that the design has been proven?
lol with that kind of money being printed, I wouldn't worry much about IPO funds ROFL. Honestly though, with that kind of waved deployment, and constant, I only see 2 options. Avalon defaulted and started mining with the rigs (or decided to mine a couple days to make a couple million before shipping). Or asicminer. But the silence is killing me. |
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In all fairness, with the deployment of a machine that can print money at the rate or 500k a day, my beauty sleep would take a hit.
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So today we should know if that 60k a day is ours? :p
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That effectively renders your opinion worthless for anything regarding social ethics.
Sorry i had to adjust my level of conversatioin to match Baldazar I did not see him sink to physical appearance comments "level of conversation". Just you. |
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Says the guy who loves his corrupt regime and premines his scamcoin to make some quick $.
Just weak.
Says the guy, who stolen away the work time from many innocent coinotron and btc-e users. You're a criminal, once time you'll make mistake and be in jail. You have to simply put up with it.  P.S. Unlike you, I'm a public person with enough and fair sallary. I didn't hide my face behind keyboard. https://plus.google.com/117595806883792900223/Well but its interesting, that im labeled as nazi because i state my opinion.
I'm not the one who is DDosing so i guess i get some projected hatred here.
P.S.: Lol you are bald HAHA That effectively renders your opinion worthless for anything regarding social ethics. |
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without the consent and support from the affected community.
Just a comment. I think he was showing his support as part of the community. After the incident? And without a proper polling system? Of course it was support, I am not ignorant. |
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Please don't see it as support for NVC. The non-global launch and the large premine is still unexplained. And although I don't actively hate or whatever, those either require a statement that you assume publicly the financiary gain (which honestly I don't really have anything against) or an explanation. I don't see. I can agree with you, there are some issues. But at least, there are no "large premine". 110k is nothing for this rewarding model, try to understand it.  if I can imply that as a statement of planned financiary gain, I'm all cool with that. I support open source and shared work, but I also believe that people enroll in what they support and that financial gain is only possible with support for the currency. I am not offended by someone making money without stealing. But fact dodging and deception is something I have harder feelings towards. |
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That you agree with it or not is far from relevant. One man should not decide for a community. I don't defend NVC. I accuse ddos'ers of falsely labelling themselves as white knights and doing the very things their apparent ideology is against. Its hypocrisy at its best.
Well but its interesting, that im labeled as nazi because i state my opinion. I'm not the one who is DDosing so i guess i get some projected hatred here. I did not target you in any way. I target the ideology of attacks launched by a single entity without the consent and support from the affected community. If you do feel targeted, maybe you should reconsider the country you live in. |
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To DDoS BTC-E for the implementation of NVC is the right thing to do.
Up until now, BTC-E did everything to gain the trust of its users. But this
NVC thing is just corrupt wihtout limit.
What about live and let live? Ddos attacks are dictatorship. A single person (or group of person) deciding what's good or not. What gets attacked or not. If it upsets people they can vote with their actions. Do not use BTC-e, do not mine NVC, do not use coinotron. Those are the proper course of actions. Not 1 person to decide the faith of something. Or maybe you support Germany pre-WW2? Don't waste your time.  Such guys love and truly believe into dictatorship... Until soldiers or police crack of their own door. Many of dictatorship supporters was executed in 1917-1949 by their own rulers. Please don't see it as support for NVC. The non-global launch and the large premine is still unexplained. And although I don't actively hate or whatever, those either require a statement that you assume publicly the financiary gain (which honestly I don't really have anything against) or an explanation. |
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To DDoS BTC-E for the implementation of NVC is the right thing to do.
Up until now, BTC-E did everything to gain the trust of its users. But this
NVC thing is just corrupt wihtout limit.
What about live and let live? Ddos attacks are dictatorship. A single person (or group of person) deciding what's good or not. What gets attacked or not. If it upsets people they can vote with their actions. Do not use BTC-e, do not mine NVC, do not use coinotron. Those are the proper course of actions. Not 1 person to decide the faith of something. Or maybe you support Germany pre-WW2? No its not democratic. But not every non democratic decission is bad and people might agree with it. Like me. To DDoS BTC-E for the implementation of NVC is the right thing to do.
Up until now, BTC-E did everything to gain the trust of its users. But this
NVC thing is just corrupt wihtout limit.
uhhh, no, not really. DDOSing is illegal, so it is never the right thing to do. I don't necessarily agree with BTC-E's choice, but its really their say what coins they offer. If you dont like NVC, don't trade them? its like if you dont like seafood, would you dismiss the service of a restaurant because they also offer seafood on their menu? Or would you just not order it. Or maybe you support Germany pre-WW2?
cough cough, Nazi Germany was a fascist regime, they rather disliked communists. But besides that I agree with the sentiment Oh so if it is illegal, it can't be the right thing? So Gov. all over the World make the right decissions when creating the laws? Not in my opinion. Just wait until they start making BTC illegal. You think its right then too? That you agree with it or not is far from relevant. One man should not decide for a community. I don't defend NVC. I accuse ddos'ers of falsely labelling themselves as white knights and doing the very things their apparent ideology is against. Its hypocrisy at its best. |
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To DDoS BTC-E for the implementation of NVC is the right thing to do.
Up until now, BTC-E did everything to gain the trust of its users. But this
NVC thing is just corrupt wihtout limit.
uhhh, no, not really. DDOSing is illegal, so it is never the right thing to do. I don't necessarily agree with BTC-E's choice, but its really their say what coins they offer. If you dont like NVC, don't trade them? its like if you dont like seafood, would you dismiss the service of a restaurant because they also offer seafood on their menu? Or would you just not order it. Or maybe you support Germany pre-WW2?
cough cough, Nazi Germany was a fascist regime, they rather disliked communists. But besides that I agree with the sentiment Sorry, I had the impression it was dictatorship but on retrograde you are totally right and I have to admit my actual knowledge on the subject is very limited and I should refrain from speaking about stuff I don't know. Thanks! (I'll edit it to not cause somrthing off of that though) |
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To DDoS BTC-E for the implementation of NVC is the right thing to do.
Up until now, BTC-E did everything to gain the trust of its users. But this
NVC thing is just corrupt wihtout limit.
What about live and let live? Ddos attacks are dictatorship. A single person (or group of person) deciding what's good or not. What gets attacked or not. If it upsets people they can vote with their actions. Do not use BTC-e, do not mine NVC, do not use coinotron. Those are the proper course of actions. Not 1 person to decide the faith of something. |
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Funny story though. I wake up, check on my miners as usual to make sure nothing crashed. Can't connect spam in reaper. Refresh first internet page that's up to see if its my internet (it was btc-e address in chrome)? No go. So I refresh the second tab (coinotron.com) No go. So I proceeded to troubleshoot my internet for like 10mins... Lol
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