ZT: I just realized I am giving less per BTC @ nameterrific.... (At nameterrific your BTC is worth $10)
Now it's worth $12. And still profitable. |
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Theres a bitcoin meetup in Melbourne perhaps he will visit and people can confirm it one way or the other.
I doubt he has the balls for it. He's more than welcome to prove me wrong, tho...  I really wanted to go. But I'd better not to, for obviously reasons. I may appear in some web developer meetups though. Want to see me in person? Attend every single web developer meetup in Melbourne from today! |
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Great. A former employee using Bitcoinica-held customer information for personal communication is just what this clusterfuck needs now.
I'm sorry for those who think this email is redundant or useless. I obtained the information from Bitcoinica to facilitate fund returns, as an independent individual (not employee). In my opinion updating customers from a personal perspective isn't spamming, and the emails are not unsolicited. If you feel annoyed, simply unsubscribe and you won't hear from me again. |
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Furthermore, there are repeated threats of violence and informal investigations that can put my family, friends and myself into
dangerous situations. I stopped reading right here to comment. You telling us that mentioning the relic collector's name is not a threat to you or your family, but an informal investigation by an alpaca is?  ~Bruno~ (back to reading)He wouldn't believe me that I'm in Australia, lol. He insisted that I was still a student in Singapore. Maybe he will send someone to my PO Box to look for me. (And the mailman emails me every morning if there's anything in my PO Box, so I go there like once a week.) But anyway, I don't want to cross the line here by providing more detailed identity information about him. At least he's doing a favour by returning the money. This will be the first ever Bitcoin-related hack that has the funds returned. |
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Bitcoinica experienced the third major hack on July 12, 2012. According to Bitcoinica's announcement, 40,000 BTC and $40,000 were stolen.
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Chen Jianhai has agreed to return at least $140,000 and 20,000 BTC under the condition that Bitcoinica LP will not start a police investigation about the hack. I have made it clear to him that I will have zero tolerance on this wrong-doing and if the promised amount is not paid back, I will make his identifiable information available to the police, and possibly public.
Out of curiosity: could you offer him this guarantee? Did you receive this guarantee from Bitcoinica? According to Tihan Seale, none of the board of the directors member was moving or talking, so whose decision was it? Does this also mean that you do not intend to collaborate with the investigators should a legal action be started, and that you will withhold the identifiable information you possess about Chen Jianhai while you know that he committed the crime and did not return the whole stolen property (especially given today Bitcoin exchange rates) belonging to Bitcoinica creditors? Wouldn't that make you an accessory of the crime? To be convicted of an accessory charge, the accused must generally be proved to have had actual knowledge that a crime was going to be, or had been, committed. Furthermore, there must be proof that the accessory knew that his or her action, or inaction, was helping the criminals commit the crime, or evade detection, or escape.
Obviously, I can't. But I sort of made up his mind for him. Even if police investigation has to take place, the punishment will be much less if he can return majority of the funds in a reasonable timeframe. I believe that in any case I have no liability for offering him this guarantee, regardless of the outcome. I just want the money back, more than anything else. I have never said that I would not co-operate with any investigation. EDIT: For me, there's no trust or whatsoever with Chen Jianhai. In my previous dealing with him, all was about his experience in credit card fraud. I acted like sort of a journalist who paid some insiders to know truths. |
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I'm an Agnostic and a Libertarian who believes in living one's life for others' good, and the
accusations are clearly against my value judgement.
Unfortunately that phrase must be a lie. Libertarians are the most selfish pricks on the planet, and proud of it. In fact the enitre Libertarian ideology can be summed up in 4 words "Got mine, fuck you." Self-interest is not selfishness. A mature Libertarian knows that for his needs to be satisfied, he has to do good for others first. In a market, he improves the marginal utility for the counter-party so that the trade can happen mutually voluntarily. They can only possibly say "got mine, f**k you" when they know they will die soon. Otherwise it's never good for his self-interest. |
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It's best to view the full web version so that all links and formats are enabled (they are there for a purpose). http://nameterrific.createsend5.com/t/ViewEmail/j/7716A98B996695CD(Ignore the nameterrific subdomain. I don't have a personal Campaign Monitor account. Your email addresses will NOT be used in NameTerrific marketing.) Thanks! Can you tell me, why you see the need to monitor who is viewing this and clicking which links? I use Campaign Monitor to send emails to 1,000+ recipients without being banned or categorized as spam. The email addresses were obtained with permission and the content is very close related to Bitcoinica. I can't use Postmark to send the email with a script because this is not a transactional email. I can't use Gmail because they don't allow so many recipients. I don't want to send emails individually for obvious reasons. I don't want to send the emails with Postfix/sendmail because that will be result in false positives or IP ban (Amazon EC2 IPs are mostly tainted with spam already). So the only choice is Campaign Monitor, which is very similar to MailChimp. I'm not interested in tracking the opens or clicks. Campaign Monitor is just a tool to send emails in this case. |
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It's best to view the full web version so that all links and formats are enabled (they are there for a purpose). http://nameterrific.createsend5.com/t/ViewEmail/j/7716A98B996695CD(Ignore the nameterrific subdomain. I don't have a personal Campaign Monitor account. Your email addresses will NOT be used in NameTerrific marketing.) Thanks! |
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Anyone else received the email from Zhou Tong about Bitcoinica too?
I don't have everyone's email address. For those of you who didn't receive the email, you can view the content here: http://nameterrific.createsend5.com/t/ViewEmail/j/7716A98B996695CD(Sorry for the "nameterrific" subdomain. I don't have a proper Campaign Monitor account for myself. The email addresses will NOT be used for NameTerrific marketing.) |
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Crap. I deleted data I thought wasn't relevent and now I find how they were linked. ~mumblemumble~
*Microsoft Corp. acquired Oslo-based Fast Search & Transfer (FAST)*
Now, Microsoft.com and fda.hhs.gov connect.
And don't forget that AurumXchange and MagicalTux claimed that I worked for Microsoft Singapore at some point in time in 2011. Doing that. Finishing by next week. To my best knowledge the progress of fund recovery has nothing much to do with Bitcoinica fund returns. I spend most of my time waiting for Bitcoinica, bankers, lawyers and the hacker. So contributing irrelevant information doesn't slow down the fund returns to customers. Don't worry! |
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Crap. I deleted data I thought wasn't relevent and now I find how they were linked. ~mumblemumble~
*Microsoft Corp. acquired Oslo-based Fast Search & Transfer (FAST)*
Now, Microsoft.com and fda.hhs.gov connect.
And don't forget that AurumXchange and MagicalTux claimed that I worked for Microsoft Singapore at some point in time in 2011. |
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Would Chen, Zhou Tong's friend/partner/associate, be interested in a new relic I have recently found? It's in good shape. http://twitter.com/newrelicI use NewRelic for both Bitcoinica and NameTerrific. Thank you! |
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Aurum Capital Holdings, Incorporated will not sell your personal information or otherwise disclose it to a third party without your consent, except under the following circumstances:
If ordered by a ruling body of competent jurisdiction as recognized by Commonwealth of Dominica law.
If ordered by the issuing bank for our debit cards customers as part of their ongoing Know Your Customer verification procedures. * The Liberty Reserve account used by the hacker is U9236056. * The email address used by the hacker was stevejobs807@gmail.com. * To my surprise, upon further examination of our order system, I found an order from Zhou Tong to sell Liberty Reserve to us for the amount of USD 40,000, requesting a wire to his bank account in Singapore. The amount for the order closely matches the total USD exchanged through us (after fees) using the MtGox USD codes stolen from the Bitcoinica account. * This order was placed the next day the hacking attempts occurred. In addition, it should be noted that Zhou Tong has never dealt with us before as an exchange customer. The matter of the fact is, we have never released any personal, sensitive, and/or confidential information regarding Zhou Tong that has not been previously and compulsory disclosed by himself to the public. By making this information public, and by begin the question of why his funds were being withheld on a public forum, we are well within our rights, both from a legal and ethical stand point, to make an statement regarding the situation. I will invite anyone to challenge this under the laws of the Commonwealth of Dominica.
Cordially,
Roberto
(3) A financial institution or person carrying on a scheduled business, shall not notify any person, other than a court, competent authority or other person authorised by law, that information has been requested by or furnished to a court or the Authority. http://www.imolin.org/doc/amlid/Dominica_MoneyLaundering(Prevention)Act_2000.pdf |
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zhoutong may be thief or not, but those (AurumExchange) who fingered/accused zhoutong as thief, so far NOT done/doing anything legally & just watching how forum members get angry, shouting, scolding zhoutong.
The main issue is that this had been brought publicly on this very forum before by Zhou Tong himself, complaining his funds were stuck with AurumXchange. In that kind of case, the only thing a company can do is to release a statement explaining what happened. Without blaming anyone, I would like to suggest a better way to handle similar situations in the future: Release about half of the information to the suspect privately, and give him 12 hours to explain himself. This way you can use his explanation to check against the other half of the evidence, to determine whether it's a made up story or plausible truth. After 12 hours, post the full evidence alongside with the explanation in public. It also protects privacy and encourages the community to act in a neutral manner. |
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Not only AurumXchange, Mtgox dont have a contact physical mail address in their site
or may be i missed to see it?
When you want to apply for AML Level 2 status, you can get their physical address easily on the website. I had done it and got my account approved in about a week. |
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I don't usually tell stories, but when I do, I'm making fun of myself.
"Zhou Tong and Satoshi share the same back-man. The guy created a Chinese character and a Japanese one, and he chose Satoshi to be the Bitcoin creator because his achievements in cryptography made him more appropriate. Later he realized that Satoshi couldn't make enough money, so he used the prepared Zhou Tong to start BitcoinICA and a planned BitcoinIGG, which stands for:
I Come Abruptly,
I Go Gently."
No, not fun. I'm still sad and I didn't talk in class for the whole day.
I wish I have a girlfriend.
The sooner to hand yourself the sooner this will be over  You're allowed to talk in class? I couldn't help but notice that you've yet to make up a story telling us how you're not Kevin Lim. While you're thinking of one, I'll go get the marshmallows for the fire. And is this you, too? ~Bruno~ Yes, they are all me. I'm Tom Williams's son actually. Dick Williams and Harry Williams are his two brothers. My credit card says I'm John Q. Citizen, and my tax return says I'm John Taxpayer instead. I don't know how they can change my surname so easily. And then today I received a court order addressing me as John Doe. :-( My computer username is foobar. I'm known as Eve among hacker friends Alice and Bob. My personal website is example.com, by the way. |
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I don't usually tell stories, but when I do, I'm making fun of myself.
"Zhou Tong and Satoshi share the same back-man. The guy created a Chinese character and a Japanese one, and he chose Satoshi to be the Bitcoin creator because his achievements in cryptography made him more appropriate. Later he realized that Satoshi couldn't make enough money, so he used the prepared Zhou Tong to start BitcoinICA and a planned BitcoinIGG, which stands for:
I Come Abruptly,
I Go Gently."
No, not fun. I'm still sad and I didn't talk in class for the whole day.
I wish I have a girlfriend.
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Some other Asian guy with a more mature voice than a 16(+)-year-old. A PLANT! Listen to "Zhou Tong" again in that video. ~Bruno~ Zhoutong - To end this speculation just skype right now with one of the forum respected members. I just listened to that interview you had. If this is really you, I do not doubt that your english is that proficient, and I would imagine you are proficient at many other things. To me, some of the interview seems "scripted." Just my opinion. Not that it matters, it could still be your voice. And I do believe that could be your voice, the voice of a 17 year old. But, since there is all the sudden this idea floating around, why not put it to rest? Isn't it my best interest to be a fake person right now? I'm trying to do good and help people, but people don't give any merit to that. To end the speculation now, Zhou Tong is fake and the guy behind it wants to help Bitcoinica customers to get their money back. Bitcoinica is just an illusional product that has never been built. I believe some people will be very satisfied now. |
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Hi Zhou,
I think there was one question that you didn't answer from one of my earlier emails. You said you could recover 20k BTC and to date have recovered 15k BTC. Are you still able to recover the other 5k BTC?
Yes. I'm recovering the first 15k BTC to show "good faith" and "co-operation". The remaining will be recovered after all the fiat has been recovered. The fiat money is the most legally sensitive part of this deal, and it should have taken place before Bitcoin. Hey asshole - send the remaining 25k BTC NOW. We all know the fiat money is locked up until you identify yourself, and it's clear you are not going to do that. STOP PLAYING YOUR CHILDISH GAMES. I'm also trying to figure out if this mounts to extortion. So far, many of the statements from Zhou have been of extortion nature. Promising to have the funds released if no legal action is taken is a prime example. Its time to just send the funds Zhou. Too many people have suffered too long because of this fiasco. Send to who? Send to satoshi? Send to Red Cross? I'm trying to resolve this problem for Bitcoinica customers, not just for myself. I'm waiting, not delaying. Send it Patrick Muirk as you sent the first 15k BTC. You could ague that you are waiting for bank account information for the fiat (which may or may not be true) but you can't argue that for the 5k BTC. We already know there is an address you can send that to. To my best knowledge, he is holding this case at the moment to obtain instruction from Bitcoinica regarding a minor aspect of his representation. You can email him personally to request that. He's very responsive and he acts in interest of Bitcoinica clients, and I have no problem of following his instructions. Just do that and I'll follow his instruction within reasonable timeframe. Thanks for understanding! |
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Public clarification #2
There is solid evidence that the $5,000 was Bitcoinica's stolen properties, because the email and LR account matched the hacker's identity. The bank account was purchased from the black market though.
It is interesting that you consider the fact that the email matched the one used to perform the hack "solid evidence". The only solid evidence we have so far (as per your own admission) is that the email used to launder the proceedings of Bitcoinica was created by you, and was under your control, at least at some point in time. We also have an exchange order using that email requesting funds to be wired to a stolen chinese bank account purchased in the black market (as per your own admission). Do you follow? You still think we are not legally obligated to hold your funds? We have sent you the address where to elevate claims, along with a request from KYC information, which we are well within our rights to request. We have also sent you our company address as well, contrary to your statements on this forum. You are refusing to provide KYC information under the basis that we are a "shady" company, completely ignoring the fact that we have no public track record of wrong doing, that we have been operating since 2007, and that you considered us trustworthy enough to make us funding partners in Bitcoinica AND to use us to exchange $40k USD on behalf of a friend. In any case, this conversation is an exercise in futility. At this point we don't even know who you are because you continue to systematically refuse to provide KYC information. Feel free to sue me, or the company. No further statements from me regarding this issue. Roberto Please provide proof of the "sent" information. I haven't received any email from you and no other emails from AurumXchange was identified as spam. I didn't expect you to lie at all, and I always thought you are following legal instructions carefully in your country. |
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