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81  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 04, 2017, 10:55:48 AM
I know that we want to keep on writing off ETH - but there is continued and ongoing pump..

It's a 90,000 BTC volume digibyte day on Poloniex.  If there was ever a sign cryptocurrency has reached peak pump and dump, this is it. 
For now, true.  People are getting desperate with the cryptocurrencies they pump.
Quote from: r0ach
There is no schelling point for any of this crap.  There's also no schelling point for bitcoin because it will always be highly constrained by scalability and thus high fees.  "Money" that requires some type of fees solely to exist at all (constant payment to miners 24/7) is also the hallmark trait of a debt based currency. 
Try transporting a few ingots of gold all the way to the other side of the world safely.  I think you'll find that the costs are hundreds of times higher than Bitcoin transaction fees, and it takes many times longer.
Quote from: r0ach
Our current debt based US dollar is a rent seeking usury system that requires a constant interest payment for the money to exist.  Bitcoin is basically the same thing, just the whole process is obfuscated so that you don't know who the beneficiaries are. 
So I guess when transporting that gold, the beneficiaries are the commercial airlines.  
Quote from: r0ach
There is no way to escape these people via the digital domain.  The only way out of the debt based and/or usury system is by physical metals used in native coin form.
I think you're forgetting that there aren't many scarce physical resources to be controlled.  With cryptocurrencies there's a theoretically unlimited number, which makes them near impossible to regulate.
82  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: $10,000+ To Invest on: June 04, 2017, 10:29:34 AM
Ugh.  Please don't throw your money away investing too much in coins without actually thinking about what they are.

You're making unreasonable comparisons like Litecoin being $1000 and ETH being $1000.  ETH has a much higher supply than Litecoin and a much, much higher supply than Bitcoin.  A price of $1000 for ETH would mean that the market cap was about double what Bitcoin is now.  Sounds impossible?  It's not, but it's pretty damn unlikely.

You need to find coins that are actually underappreciated.  And to do that you have to think about the people behind it and what they actually do.  And you have to clear up the misconceptions that you build up from being too excited about this.

Don't believe the hype.
83  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Genesis Minining Steem cloud Minining on: June 04, 2017, 10:11:53 AM
It doesn't matter whether you're mining Bitcoin, Steem, Ethereum or DASH.  No one gets ROI on Genesis Mining.  No one can do it.  And now that the price has gone up, people have started deluding themselves into thinking that it's possible. 

After the price has gone up dramatically for basically every single alt and for Bitcoin as well, there's now going to be a quick rise in difficulty to match that over the coming couple of months.

You'll find that your payouts get lower and lower and lower as the difficulty of Steem goes up and the price goes down.  Slowly but surely you lose all hope of achieving ROI.  After the two years of your contract are up, Genesis Mining have your miners for as long as they want to use it.

It's like a "legitimate" way to steal people's money.
84  Other / Politics & Society / Re: UK Election on 8th June on: June 04, 2017, 09:37:49 AM
Despite starting with a 21 point gap in the polls, it might now be down to just a single point between the two leading parties according to the latest polls.  Many are now predicting a hung parliament, with no single party achieving a decisive majority. 
Labour have pulled off a top-notch election campaign and Corbyn's vote share will undoubtedly be higher than Miliband's pathetic 30% or so in 2015 which would stop people from avoiding voting Labour because they're "unelectable"...

That said, it's far too easy to overestimate the number of young people which will actually go and vote.  The Tories' vote share tend to be more "reliable" voters so to speak, and they've just received a big boost from UKIP (expelled Tories who were too evil even for them).  Labour's vote share could be pushed either side of the margin of error.

Quote from: DooMAD
The only reason the tories called the election was because they thought it was a done deal and they could potentially increase their majority, but now it's likely they're actually going to lose seats.  Also, a tory MP has finally been charged with election fraud, accused of falsely declaring expenses in the previous election.  Took the CPS long enough, but at least it will hopefully ruin his campaign.
The entire Conservative Party should be fucked from these electoral fraud allegations, but it looks like they're managing to cling on without enough publicity even happening due to the bastards in the Murdoch press and Daily Mail.  I don't think it'll have too much of an impact for now.

If you vote for any party other than Tories you will be supporting Islamists.

Everyone who is not Muslim MUST vote Tories.  There is no other party to slow down the Islamization.


Yeah, the Iraq, Syria and Libya wars have done so much to help stem the flow of terrorism haven't they?  The West have been so altruistic when pointlessly switching sides and fighting everyone at once, haven't they?  Don't try to convince yourself that 1.6 billion people are terrorists, which is clearly what you mean by "Islamization".

Do you even know what Muslims coming to the West as refugees are running away from?  It's a mixture of terrorism against them from "Muslims" (since the biggest victims of terrorism are Muslims by far), and terrorism from the West.
85  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: User beautifully lays out the reason for the Bitcoin stalemate on: June 04, 2017, 09:29:17 AM


Also I find /r/btc very agenda driven and propaganda-like.

The agenda has always simply been onchain scaling.  When did that become bad?  Oh yeah, right around the time Blockstream came on the scene.
It's not bad until it starts becoming a meaningless echo chamber.  R/btc and r/bitcoin are much the same in that sense - the difference is that on r/bitcoin, I've seen things like Bitcoin related news and price discussion as well, while on r/btc it's the same relentless stream of ideology over and over again.

People on r/btc like to mention r/bitcoin censorship (which is probably true considering that r/bitcoin is basically 100% SegWit), but the last time I was on r/btc I saw a thread with a giant list of "trolls", suggesting that they should all be banned.  When people have this kind of victim mentality, it always ends up with hostility and a lack of real discussion.

You could compare it to terrorism.  Someone blows up several people, but then what happens is that the terrorists get exactly what they want when people start being paranoid about Muslims because then the opposing "side" look like idiots, and then they can use that for recruitment.  It becomes a cycle of hate crime and terrorism, which only gets worse the more people perpetuate that same victim mentality.
86  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: USAF Pool ? Users will become miners ? Greed at work. on: June 04, 2017, 09:12:44 AM
http://www.uasfpool.com

History repeats. So called users show they want do rather the miners business and fall back to pool -> centralization with all its problems giving up their user's power to the single pool operator?

1.  It's well known that UASF needs some miner support, otherwise it would end up being impractical. 

2.  This doesn't mean that there would be "pool centralisation", because anyone could move over to another pool which allows them to mine for UASF (e.g. Slushpool).
Quote from: hv_
WTF should be better with this than that what we have now?
This is a small pool.  If there were 50 pools like Kanopool, Bitcoin would not be centralised, and this is many times smaller than that to the extent that it's basically irrelevant.
Quote from: hv_
Is it all about greed and power and divide and conquer?
No.  You can't just decide to not have any pools considering that there's only a block every ~10 minutes.  This pool is not greedy - yet.
87  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Lauda offered multi-signature escrow with accounts controlled by him. on: June 03, 2017, 09:44:06 PM
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What do you say to the accusations that yourself and Lauda are one and the same?
...and probably quickseller as he has the same post history and behavior.
I wouldn't call it an "accusation"; more like "the demented ramblings of a broken scammer".

If we're basing our accusations on "post history and behaviour", then I suppose Deja is an alt of kiklo.

Clearly it's pretty normal activity to back out an escrow deal and accuse the escrows of being scammers rather than getting someone they believe is reliable to escrow instead.  That really makes me feel good about the Ethereum.link project.

I suppose while Deja is proving his legitimacy he'll go ahead and post Ethereum.link's public ICO address?
88  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: User beautifully lays out the reason for the Bitcoin stalemate on: June 03, 2017, 09:14:19 PM
1.  Most Core developers don't support UASF, so the "threats" you talk about don't actually exist unless users end up supporting it and pushing the hashrate over to the new chain.

2.  When some people believed that BU was imminent and they were discussing it, they claimed that it would be an "altcoin", and that it should not be called Bitcoin but something else (sometimes with annoying buzzwords like BU-coin and Chinacoin, but let's ignore that).  Claiming that SegWit should be called something different is pretty much exactly the same and is illogical - both the old and new chain would be Bitcoin, but the one which we would typically consider Bitcoin is whichever one ends up being the majority chain.  If the old chain is still significant, it would be called "Bitcoin Classic" or something, just like ETC.
89  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Are you using low fees? on: June 03, 2017, 09:04:16 PM
I always use 30 satoshi per byte and i'm letting Jihan BU to pay the rest on my behalf.   Viabtc's free service does the job very well. Cool
Hilarious stuff.  Jihan Wu doesn't lead ViaBTC.  For all we know he could be mining there, but I've seen no evidence of this.  I hope you feel good abusing a free service for your own greed.
Quote from: mindrust
Paying >200satoshi/byte started to hurt me very badly. I have to move my coins from one address to another from time to time because those small incomes which i collect from here and there create many inputs in time and i don't want to look at a 100$ fee in some day.
Solution:  wait for ~3 weeks until you have BTC0.1 or so, then transfer to a new address.  Alternatively, just deal with the inputs - with current necessary fees it's not going to add more than ~0.0004 to your fees.  If you claim that you can't pay this with the income you receive, you're lying.

IMO the best thing to do is to use the lowest fee on the recommended fees page which is estimated to be confirmed within 6 hours or so.  This way you avoid pushing up the fees for other people by perpetuating the fee market unless you have a high-priority transaction.
90  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 03, 2017, 07:32:59 PM
Bitcoin can still be a "master crypto" in price and usage in terms of merchants, but ETH's idea is to literally eat up every other new crypto by having them created on their platform, which puts them consistently in second place unless earlier coins like Litecoin take off more.

Sure the price is empty speculation, but some of the Bitcoin price is empty speculation as well.  The difference is that Ethereum is good at advertising, and Bitcoin finds this difficult due to actually being decentralised.  So ETH will be a secondary crypto for people who like ICO hype and couldn't care less about what Bitcoin actually does.

But if none of the ICO "applications" go anywhere and prove worth anything (which I believe nearly 99.999% will not), then ETH will go to zero. As it should, because it's worthless for anything else. No one is going to buy ETH just to use some type of dapp that doesn't make money nor even need a blockchain the first place.
I would say that the Ether price, and the price of all the tokens that are created via the Ethereum network, are not based on their use but people believing that they could have a use.  Shitcoins (e.g. Footballcoin, Marijuanacoin or Pepecash), can get somewhere, because they pull in everyone who loses all their logic in a desperate get-rich-quick scheme.  But when there's a dip in a currency that people think has actually done something with blockchain technology, it doesn't crash completely and it tends to stay stable, even though there's no actual point in having a new token for it.  This applies to Ether, and speculation like this can do some crazy things.

I think that ETH will stay stable as long as people keep pumping out shitcoins on it, which could be for another 3-4 months.  The idea is that the shitcoins die, but ETH stays for as long as more shitcoins are on their way which have not died.
91  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: if you are just investing in Bitcoin now, you're an early adopter or innovator on: June 03, 2017, 07:17:07 PM
Is everyone on this thread out of their mind?  The number of unique Bitcoin addresses used per day is around 500,000.  If we're very optimistic, that could be a few million active users and potentially some HODLers or traders as well.

That would put us at about 0.1% (absolutely right at the start of the innovator phase) max, if we assume that Bitcoin will actually match that adoption curve.

Stop thinking about things based on what you see today and assuming that everyone is into crypto just because you are.  Nearly no one actually is - many have heard of it but very few have got involved.

I'm probably wrong, but I do feel that quite a reasonable amount of people has seen Bitcoin at least once and many of them are actually using or have used it. Comparing to a few years back, mainstream interest is much bigger. We see many "newbies" asking for input and tutorials on how to buy and transact comparing to previous years. Thus why I wrote what I wrote.
The number of active users on the forum is around 100,000 ("active" being users who were created more than 30 days ago and logged in within the last 30 days - theymos' info from this thread.  Considering that this is by far the biggest and most relevant Bitcoin forum, that should be a telltale sign.  Furthermore, it seems unusual that something with over 13.5% of the population using it would have a specific forum for discussion about it - you can't really imagine a "fiat forum".

Many people have heard of and seen Bitcoin, but whether this means that they use it is completely different.  And when we see "mainstream coverage" we focus on it too much and overestimate its power, just because we're into Bitcoin already.

Quote from: unamis76
I know many people aren't into crypto (at least I don't personally know anyone who is). However we've got quite a lot of people online interested. Besides, we're way past the time when Bitcoin was "the new thing".
You're right, I also don't know anyone else who's into crypto in real life.  That would suggest to me that the amount of people who actually are is less than 13.5%, since I know more than 7.407 people.  Of course this could just be a coincidence, but there are no reasonable indicators that more than a few million people are using or holding cryptocurrency.

Let's just go for the end of the innovator phase - 2.5% of the current population (rounded to 7.5 billion) would be about a hundred and eighty seven million five hundred thousand people.  Based on the statistic of unique addresses used in a day on blockchain.info, that many people would only send a transaction to a unique address every... several years.
Quote from: unamis76
Quote from: unamis76
Regarding blockchain technology and how we conduct transactions using it... If we look at it from that perspective, then we're at the Innovators stage Wink

Don't know why you just suggested the opposite then.

I don't see why my post suggested the opposite? Blockchain technology and how we transact using it is very, very different from Bitcoin. They're two things in their own.
All users of Bitcoin are users of blockchain technology, because Bitcoin is blockchain technology.  Therefore it's impossible for the number of users of blockchain technology to be fewer than the number of Bitcoin users.
92  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: if you are just investing in Bitcoin now, you're an early adopter or innovator on: June 03, 2017, 05:35:30 PM
Seems to me a bit too much optimistic to assume we're in the Early Adopter stage... However we're probably still in the Early Majority phase.
Is everyone on this thread out of their mind?  The number of unique Bitcoin addresses used per day is around 500,000.  If we're very optimistic, that could be a few million active users and potentially some HODLers or traders as well.

That would put us at about 0.1% (absolutely right at the start of the innovator phase) max, if we assume that Bitcoin will actually match that adoption curve.

Stop thinking about things based on what you see today and assuming that everyone is into crypto just because you are.  Nearly no one actually is - many have heard of it but very few have got involved.

Quote from: unamis76
Regarding blockchain technology and how we conduct transactions using it... If we look at it from that perspective, then we're at the Innovators stage Wink
Don't know why you just suggested the opposite then.
93  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 03, 2017, 05:12:00 PM
I tried to see what people saw in ETH. I just couldn't. I still can't.

and 99% of the people who put money in can't either. they like the rising price, the fancy words, the leader who would have to be invented if he didn't already exist he's that perfect and the marketing pushes.
True.  But more importantly, ETH has the mentality of being a master crypto.

What I mean by that is that it revolves around the idea of everyone else creating "decentralised" blockchain applications on their platform, in which case it would be a new kind of master crypto in which all other cryptos are created with Ethereum.  That basically makes Buterin an evil genius.

Bitcoin can still be a "master crypto" in price and usage in terms of merchants, but ETH's idea is to literally eat up every other new crypto by having them created on their platform, which puts them consistently in second place unless earlier coins like Litecoin take off more.

Sure the price is empty speculation, but some of the Bitcoin price is empty speculation as well.  The difference is that Ethereum is good at advertising, and Bitcoin finds this difficult due to actually being decentralised.  So ETH will be a secondary crypto for people who like ICO hype and couldn't care less about what Bitcoin actually does.
94  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Creative analogy needed for non-techies on Cryptocurrencies on: June 03, 2017, 04:45:41 PM
There's an interesting explanation for five year olds on Coindesk.  The idea is to compare Bitcoin to something physical (in their case, an apple).

I think the most important thing you need to change about both versions one and two is to include mentions of the double-spending problem and distributed ledger, as this is one of the most important things that blockchain technology has brought to the world.

Mining is important but it seems like a harder thing to explain and it needs to have the basics explained of creating decentralisation through a distributed ledger.  Then you move on later to mining, to explain how transactions are included in the ledger.
95  Economy / Exchanges / Re: JAXX vs Coinbase: Which is better and why? on: June 02, 2017, 02:23:15 PM
For security reasons then choose coinbase over jaxx.
If you like security, then you keep absolutely all of your coins millions of miles away from any online wallet.  Using Coinbase you could get Goxed for all you know - with Jaxx you can't.  And Coinbase are a giant target for hackers and inside jobs, whereas a personal wallet is not (especially if you use a paper wallet and don't spend).

Also, Jaxx will give you a million more coins.

Jaxx can give you problems with the interface, but they're just that.  With Coinbase all you can see is the website, and it's terrifying to know that something much worse could be happening behind the scenes.
Quote from: sieemma
Someone said coinbase is too large and goes down, and I want to ask why is it big? It's merely because many people trust them and the workload is too much but that doesn't mean they aren't good.
Or it's because:
1.  They're incompetent and can't use decent servers despite their outrageous fees
2.  They're manipulating customer funds.
96  Economy / Reputation / Re: mineshop.eu review on: June 02, 2017, 02:09:19 PM
There's a page of reviews on cryptocompare.

Seeing the reviews at first I was inclined to believe that they were legit.  However, upon seeing the users' profiles who left some of those reviews, I've decided that they are most likely a scam or at least engage in the shady business practice of paying for fake reviews.

Here is one of the users who left a five-star review of their service.  Despite having uploaded an avatar to look real, this person only has one review - that service - and he has upvoted all other positive comments about the service as well as downvoting negative comments.

If possible, use a trusted escrow.  The chances are that they will not do that, in which case don't buy.

TL;DR: unknown company creates entirely new miners and engages in shady business practices.  Possible/likely scam.
97  Economy / Speculation / Re: Speculating on the effect of UASF on the price of BTC on: June 02, 2017, 01:30:36 PM
As you all know, on August 1, there will be users who will try a user activated soft fork or famoualy called UASF. What it will do is nodes that it will start rejecting none Segwit nodes, risking a split in the blockchain. Depending on how much support it garners from the miners, the split might last a few hours, a few days or maybe longer.

If in case it lasts longer, how much would the price of Bitcoin be? Would it be low enough that we see Ethereum become no.1 in Coinmarketcap?


ETH is under doubts of having some serious exploit that would allow people to steal people's ETH. Look at Romanov's twitter.

Link? For everyone's viewing pleasure.

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Im not sure if I want to put ETH hoping it's a safe place during any turbulence.

If miners decide to mine 10% on the BIP148 chain, there's still not much to worry about

At 20%, you have to start taking it serious

At 30%... anyone not holding BIP148 coins is insane

Any higher and snowball effect will kick in, BIP148 chain wins, legacy chain is destroyed, BTC gets segwit and defeats miners.




The miners that are activating Segwit are 30% the last time I saw the chart. Do you think maybe most of them will support BIP 148?


The thing is, we don't need most of them, we only need a small amount to start making everyone else nervous and seeing how the conservative move will be to mine the UASF chain because you risk being left behind with 0 coins.

The UASF activation works in a snowball/domino effect. If we can get 10%, the game is on.
I would say the most "conservative move" would be not to mine the new chain.  Unless merchants, exchanges and other Bitcoin-related groups nearly unanimously decide to exclusively accept the UASF chain, I would say the far more "conservative" choice would be to continue mining the old chain.

With 10-20% of the hashrate, sending Bitcoin transactions on the new chain would be extremely impractical until the split is resolved.  Therefore in that period, without extremely wide community support (even among those who wouldn't know enough about UASF) for the new chain, I can't see miners switching over.

"The game" is only on if we're talking about >30% hashrate (like all SegWit miners).  Even then it's risky.
98  Economy / Web Wallets / Re: BIT.AC - has BIT.AC filed for bankrupcy? on: June 02, 2017, 01:09:32 PM
You're right, same thing happened to me. Literally minutes after I deposited coins they then get sent to someone elses wallet - but for some reason by balance still displays in the wallet even though i have no coins? Is this definitely a scam?
Its NOT a "scam" it is an INSIDE JOB -- its all built into the software that runs Digital-money
Have you gone insane or something?  Bitcoin's code is open-source and you'll find thousands of people with real backgrounds in IT who will tell you that this is a lie.  It could have been an inside job from BIT.AC but not from Bitcoin as a whole.

BIT.AC is completely unrelated to "the software that runs Digital-money" - you weren't running the software that runs digital money.  An example of software that runs Bitcoin would be Bitcoin Core, and a huge variety of other things.  When you put your money into an online wallet like BIT.AC, you do not own the coins.  They do and they are spending them for you.

Don't try and make the entire Bitcoin system seem bad when it's not.  If you have evidence that these guys were scammers (to be honest it's quite likely), then help to expose them and try to start legal action.  If not, you'll have no choice but to bite your tongue and move to a software wallet, paper wallet or hardware wallet.

Quote from: genep
- but don't worry, its only money, not Fiat Money but "Fraud-Money." Yes Helllloooooo   Digital-money was invented by Big Brother to improve the imperfect FRAUD of the banking system's current Fiat Money.
Bitcoin is against everything that bankers would want from a currency.  It:

-Gives full control to its users, if they take responsibility by holding their Bitcoin in their own wallets
-Has a limited supply which prevents abuse
-Is moderately hard to trace to an individual
-Is moderately hard to take over and control

There's no relation to banks at all.  You could compare exchanges and online wallets to banks, but not Bitcoin as a whole.
99  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: My Store - Selling Bitcoin Hardware Products on: June 02, 2017, 12:46:43 PM
Hello i just launched my new bitcoin store

https://33bitcoin.com

selling at its factory price, keeping things cheap and available
any suggestions ?
no i am not a scammer, don't judge !

willing to provide good services 

When I read shop I was expecting lots of products but when I visited your store it seems that there is only one product, about the price I'm not saying anything but if you are selling at a cheap price then you of course will get good customers and the number can be increased more if you add more products and with a cheaper price than in other stores.

from last 2 months i was trying to purchase the miner, in that process i made contact with various sellers.  i personally import the miner and keep them until other site goes out of stock so i can sell them for a margin .

right now i will find more sellers
I understand your point, but profit margins for Bitcoin miners can be pretty low and that is one big premium.  Unless people have some really desperate reason to buy, it seems pretty unlikely that they would buy at a premium of about 40%.  I couldn't see a lot of people doing it just for the benefit of getting their miner a month or two earlier.

Also, why have your own site for this instead of operating somewhere with common use of escrow (like with a thread on the forum)?

Buying a miner for $1640 from an unknown website with no escrow seems like just asking to get scammed.
100  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Did you use OKPAY to buy Bitcoin? on: June 02, 2017, 12:32:00 PM
There are people who can do this for you.  However, you might end up paying high fees.  You should go to the currency exchange section and you should find a few people who do this regularly.

One example is zazarb, who does the exchange with an added 7% onto the Bitcoin price.

If you want good rates, I would always suggest just using an exchange (and if you don't want to use ID, LocalBitcoins).
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