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801  Other / Serious discussion / Re: We're not cutting co2 emissions any time soon on: October 18, 2019, 11:17:08 AM
right

if this Mann guy really wanted to draw a line in the sand, he had a long period during this case to do so, and he essentially refused to take the opportunity, in a case he brought




But still, I don't think everyone fighting over this issue helps. I find it very regrettable, as we are wasting our efforts fighting each other while powerful people get away with countless far more egregious unethical acts, I'm sure they're very pleased to hear the slaves are fighting each other while they get away with exactly what they want.

I'm massively sympathetic to the goals of the climate change people, and I know that more often than not, their intentions are good, even if I do not agree with their arguments. I fundamentally agree that cutting down on fossil fuel use is a good thing in many, many different ways and I'm keen on alot of the renewable energy technologies that are promoted as a part of that.


Independent, powerful individuals (and any groups those people form voluntarily) are, I believe, the most important class of culture to sponsor/promote in order to balance out the power struggles going on across the world, and if people begin to create all their own energy locally without relying on the crude-oil warlords, we will be an important step closer to a world like that.
802  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin and kiddie porn on: October 18, 2019, 12:13:54 AM
I was thinking of a good title like this - "How Bitcoin help caught hundreds of pedophiles and disabled a child sexual abuse website!" or maybe you could suggest something more catchy?  Grin

in the end, tech just keeps making it easier for these people to do this stuff, despite it also making it easier to catch the dumber ones


what we really need is kids like this:

(this is the nutty kid from the 80's movie Mad Max 2 with the razer-edged boomerang Cheesy )




and I'm almost not joking

Kids don't get taught to stand up for themselves, instead it's "go tell teacher if anyone does something bad", which is a fat lot of good once it's too late (or if the teacher is the pedophile Roll Eyes )

these pedos need to actually fear that the kid will bite their fucking face off
803  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin and kiddie porn on: October 17, 2019, 10:16:54 PM
This is what I'm trying to say, that media outlets failed to emphasize the key role of Bitcoin in identifying those perpetrators yet none has ever surfaced discussing its importance!

well, they did report that transaction from exchanges were used to trace the money? I see what you mean, they could've made that an explicit positive aspect, but that's little different to if paypal or the banking   system was used. Arguably, they could have focused on people that were not caught, but maybe the FBI didn't release the full details. Not sure.
804  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin and kiddie porn on: October 17, 2019, 08:55:30 PM
Honestly this is one of the most neutral news I have seen related to the crypto industry more specifically towards Bitcoin. I've read the whole article hoping for some silent jabs against Bitcoin being the main tool for this crime to happen but I was surprised there was none found in the whole article.

this is the sort of subtle editorial-based slant that corporate media like The Guardian use.


they could have covered any number of positive stories about Bitcoin, especially in their technology section. But instead, they choose articles with a negative connotation, then report on it in a dry and dispassionate way. Readers are left to draw their own conclusion, but when they've heard another 20 crime based Bitcoin stories already in the last 5 years, they will come to the conclusion that The Guardian's financial firm clients (who buy advertising in The Guardian) want: Bitcoin bad

no different when Bitcoin XT was covered in The Guardian, they used editorial bias to slant readers towards the corporate culture's preferences. They interviewed the attackers (who went on to work for Goldman Sachs invested firm Circle) and devoted a whole article to a dev-team takeover that the users (the normal everyday people The Guardian pretend to represent) did not want. And for the accomplished developers with decades of industry experience and contributions to open source software used all across the internet? They got no article, despite the fact that Bitcoin's users followed them. Guardian quietly kept it's mouth shut, that was their repetent response, disgusting behavior.


"The Guardian"? They only do one kind of guarding: their corporate buddies, whether they're attacking open source software projects (Bitcoin is not the only example), or whether they're deciding that Trump and Clinton (and Bill Gates, Katie Couric, Woody Allen etc etc) being connected to billionaire pedophile human-trafickers is too tabloid
805  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Any thought to reduce downloading time of blockchain ? on: October 17, 2019, 08:36:10 PM
Checkpoints are still there. They are effectively consensus required. So if someone wanted to make a fake bootstrap.dat, they would have to fork from the most recent checkpoint (block 200000 something) and still do all of the work to mine valid blocks.

hmmm, this is correct. Longest most work chain would still be the genuine chain subsequent to the last checkpoint. My bad, sorry everybody
806  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Any thought to reduce downloading time of blockchain ? on: October 17, 2019, 06:46:22 PM
https://bitcoin.org/bin/block-chain/

You can bootstrap download the chain from here just make sure to check the signatures it will help you.

It is advisable to download from the network but this is a way for those who struggle with downloading or have poor connection.

this is a bad idea, do NOT listen to the above advice under any circumstances.

You risk being connected to a fake blockchain if you download random torrents without knowing what you're doing

@MagicByte your post is irresponsible
It actually isn't. It's just the original bootstrap.dat file (that is no longer being updated) that people previously used. Notice how it is hosted on bitcoin.org.

The original thread announcing it is at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145386.0. That message is signed with Jeff Garzik's old PGP key: https://keyserver.ubuntu.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x3710408162759fc5a4296536e7a58e337adca079

right, but not everyone is necessarily going to do a search to find out what the origin of the torrent link is, or to find out whose PGP created the signature.

and the fact that it's hosted on bitcoin.org is a little meaningless on it's own, the admin/owner of that site started to behave a little strangely in public over the last few years, you should know that Bitcoin releases are released primarily through https://bitcoincore.org, as you know.

and was the checkpoint code not substituted for the assumevalid model of chain authentication? i.e. is it not possible for someone to download a genuine Bitcoin client from http://bitcoincore.org, be given a bootstrap dat for a fake chain that never reaches the assumevalid blockheight, then get conned into e.g. buying BTC and receiving outputs that would be invalid on the genuine chain?
807  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin and kiddie porn on: October 17, 2019, 06:25:05 PM
This is one of the negative effects for bitcoin because it is abused for disgusting transactions and very pornographic, and that is one of the reasons the government prohibits it because it is misused for negative things and crime as a transaction tool.

maybe the government and the law enforcement agencies should do a better job of bringing their colleagues to justice?


there are countless stories now from 20th century about people in politics, the police, showbusiness or intelligence being involved in sexual abuse of children, some of the most egregious examples were going on right under their noses.

Jeffrey Epstein is the most blatant example recently. This guy was a billionaire hedge fund associate, hung out with Bill Gates, Richard Branson, Kevin Spacey, Bill Clinton and dozens more powerful world figures. He got an 18 month sentence in 2008 for having sex with a 13 year old girl, and spent most of it on "office leave" flying his private jet to his private island in the Caribbean (where he regularly trafficked teenage girls to sexually abuse, and where alot of these celebrities, corporation owners and former world leaders seemed to enjoy visiting Roll Eyes )

Out of that 18 month "sentence", Epstein served 13 months. For good behavior Roll Eyes . He slept in prison, then went straight out after breakfast to the airport where his private plane was housed, on "business". He donated several million dollars to the low category prison he slept at too, but they took a little time and gave it back. Presumably they thought that whatever corrupt deal he was trying to get from them wasn't worth a few million dollars.


The "justice" system and the "prison" system let that happen. The newspapers knew, but because it embarrassed very powerful people, they kept their mouths shut till summer 2019 (almost 10 years too late), then did a quick expose at the time of the year (summer) while most people quit reading the news because there's no serious stories (politics, finance and sport are out of season all summer long)


Not 1 Bitcoin involved, and the US justice system did everything they could to cover it up and help the people involved look as good as possible. And the newspapers made one of the most corrupt scandals ever look like it was important for 5 minutes, when they knew about the whole thing for 10 years. The Trump-haters are the biggest hypocrites here; Trump was significantly involved with this guy in the 2000's, and it's hard to believe that someone as well connected as Trump (especially as Trump's daughter was a teenager at the time) did not know he was a sex trafficker of teenagers. And yet the Trump bashing media said ZERO about it, when all the facts were available to them the whole time, and very likely because of Bill Clinton and other Democrat siding people's involvement too (one of Epstein's co-conspirators was a guest at Clinton's daughters wedding, after Epstein was finished with prison, and while still a part of Epstein's staff Roll Eyes )



So don't give me this "government good, Bitcoin bad" crap, they give zero fucks when it's their friends that are the pedophiles
808  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Coin Join and obfuscating identity, balances, privacy. Is it advisable? on: October 17, 2019, 06:00:18 PM
However, as more participants get involved, and payments are made from multiple inputs, it becomes much more difficult to determine who is paying whom.

Imagine instead that the inputs look like this:
(a) 0.15 BTC
(b) 0.15 BTC
(c) 0.15 BTC
(d) 0.15 BTC
(e) 0.15 BTC
(f) 0.15 BTC
(g) 0.15 BTC
(h) 0.15 BTC
(i) 0.15 BTC
(j) 0.15 BTC
(k) 0.15 BTC
(l) 0.15 BTC
(m) 0.15 BTC
(n) 0.15 BTC
(o) 0.15 BTC

(Total = 2.25 BTC)

And that the outputs look like this:

(P) 1.9999 BTC
(Q) 0.0099 BTC
(R) 0.1399 BTC
(S) 0.1 BTC
transaction fee = 0.0003 BTC

Now it becomes much more difficult to determine just how many people are paying, how many people are getting paid, how many "change outputs" there are, and who is paying whom.


great, but then all the outputs can easily be identified as a Coinjoin.


this is a better scheme (a more current method that defeats another form of analysis)


2 participants, A & B:


A: 0.40
A: 0.20 \               ----= 0.60
               \           /
                 -------
               /           \
B: 0.30 /               ----= 0.60
B: 0.30

(fees ignored to simplify, imagine they both paid 1000 satoshis and each received 0.59999 if it makes you happy Smiley )

Now, with only 2 outputs, analysis cannot make a reliable suppostion that this was a Coinjoin, it might have been, but it's not beyond doubt. 1 person making a transaction typically only uses a payment output and a change output. You can say "oh some people are more sophisticated than that, simply having 29 outputs that are 1 BTC each doesn't mean it's a Coinjoin". And that's completely irrelevant; if some chain analytics outfit deems it a Coinjoin, it is a Coinjoin, and it's then not difficult to convince someone unsophisticated (who might be playing some important role in relation to a particular transaction) that it's a Coinjoin either.

If you do a transaction like you suggest above (dozens of equal sized outputs), send it to some do-gooder merchant or an exchange, and they report you to the "Bitcoin Police" for being suspicious, what are you going to say then?
809  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will Brexit became the reason of Bitcoin’s downfall? on: October 17, 2019, 01:11:27 PM
The central idea that Brexit will harm BTC is not supported by the quote from Nicholas Gregory on which the article is based.

He says: ‘’Come 2020, we expect an increasingly populist and politically unstable world to cement the safe-haven status of Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies…and if the central banks revert to ramping up the money printing all over again, the case for cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin whose supply is capped will be further reinforced.’’

He seems to think Brexit will in fact be a good thing for bitcoin.

calling Bitcoin a "safe-haven" is somewhat misleading in the context....


Political instability leads to instability (i.e. falling in value) of the local currency. British people are in that situation as a consequence of Brexit (but sterling is not dropping like the bolivar or the turkish lira, a little perspective is in order)

In those circumstances, buying Bitcoin is a smart thing to do, as you are no longer exposed to exchange rate risk from your local currency (sterling in this case), and more importantly, it's quick and easy to do. British people cannot so easily set up a Euro (or USD) bank account, despite still being in the EU (or being the 51st US state Cheesy). It's not impossible, but it takes time, effort, and risks the bank saying "we don't think you need this EUR bank account"; Bitcoin can't tell you you're not allowed to open an account.

But Bitcoin is simply the "cleanest dirty shirt", even if the British pound or the Turkish lira is falling through the floor, BTC does not have a stable exchange rate either. Don't be confused, Bitcoin only falls upwards, but it's a bumpy ride, and too much so for most people's nerves to take.


Bitcoin is a safe haven because of how difficult it is to take from the owner (i.e. impossible, if the owner is smart), not because of it's exchange rate. 100% guarantee of an unstable currency (BTC) is better than an 80% guarantee of a stable currency (GBP); if a GBP bank goes bust, you risk getting 0 anyway. When the currency with the 80% guarantee becomes unstable too, keeping 100% of something similarly risky looks decisively the better deal.
810  Other / Serious discussion / Re: We're not cutting co2 emissions any time soon on: October 17, 2019, 11:58:15 AM
He didn't lose it nor did he "refuse". It was dismissed cause they hadn't met some date.

real court cases do not run out of time, you're making that up, aren't you?

he lost the case, when he could've proven how true it was by just presenting the data.
811  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin and kiddie porn on: October 17, 2019, 11:53:28 AM
Child sexual abuse and child porn are abhorrent and I am glad that site and its users were busted, of course.  What I did not like about the article was that it seemed to put bitcoin front and center in all of that disgustingness, as if to paint bitcoin with the same vile brush as kiddie porn.  And this is just not fair.

oh The Guardian have been like this for years


Guardian.com always tries to appear as if they're liberal. They publish stories idealizing liberal values, as long as it's not actually happening in a real world example. The Guardian will tell you endlessly that bottom-up liberalism with people controlling their own lives is great, as long as we're just thinking about it.

But as soon as someone actually does something to let people control their lives, The Guardian switches into authoritarian mode, scolding their readers in advance for even considering making a choice that empowers them against the powerful by concentrating on how normal people abuse any power they do get (as in this case).

It's like a psychopathic cult leader personified in print.


And when the Goldman Sachs backed takeover of Bitcoin failed (which The Guardian published a very positive article about), suddenly they changed their editorial stance on Bitcoin and only ever published the worst stories they could find. Supposedly there are still a fair few commercials for banks in The Guardian's pages Roll Eyes


But people are going to read these stories and see bitcoin.  

and they can also read what I'm going to say now and see "The Guardian"


In the 1970's, The Guardian were part of the "sympathy for pedophiles" movement, along with a bunch of UK politicians. This went on for several years, until when the organisation (which was literally called Pedophile Information Exchange Roll Eyes) that was running this bullshit got busted for being, guess what, crammed full with child abusers using it's charity status to organise child abuse together.

The Guardian? Totally innocent of course, despite helping to popularise the sympathy.
812  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin and kiddie porn on: October 17, 2019, 11:36:13 AM
I definitely wouldn't trust Dash with proper anonymity. XMR is a better candidate. It's revealing that its use hasn't really exploded in that area. Just goes to show that even scum prize convenience above safety.

it's easy to forget how steep the learning curve is just to use Bitcoin. We were sufficiently motivated that it didn't feel like a chore, but a huge amount of people would feel lost from step 0. Working out XMR would feel like trying to hack into a military mainframe to those people (I think you've literally still got to run the full blockchain, and use the command line for everything with XMR).


You give people privacy, they use it.

it's like a gun, people can use powerful tools for good reasons and reprehensible ones


and then the most reprehensible people will say "only we should have the right to use guns" Roll Eyes
813  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Any thought to reduce downloading time of blockchain ? on: October 17, 2019, 11:32:15 AM
@magic byte

you're replying to the wrong post


(I predict more confusing replies from Magic Byte to follow Wink)
814  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Craig Wright as "Bitcoin creator" at a conference in London!!! WTF??? on: October 17, 2019, 10:33:23 AM
Carlton Banks told me that the anti-Bitcoin trolls have not yet brought their "A-game". Their A-game won't be in the forum, but in the real world. A lot of people will be tricked, misinformed, and lied to in that conference.

it's pretty obvious, although I am guessing when saying that


note to everyone: WindFURY will take something from a private message and tell everyone about it
815  Bitcoin / Armory / Re: Armory 0.96.5 Installation on Ubuntu 18.04 Online PC on: October 17, 2019, 10:16:05 AM
dpkg's error output is telling you the package names you need

python
python-qt4
python-psutil

so

Code:
apt-get install python python-qt4 python-psutil

will help you overcome this part of the unsatisfied dependencies.

But, I get the feeling you have not installed any other dependencies either. see the linux install instructions at https://btcarmory.com for a complete list.




I'm a little surprised also that the python package is not pre-installed in ubuntu, don't understand that. but just installing it will rectify that.

it could be that python2 is not pre-installed in you super newest ubuntu, but python3 is. Armory 0.96.5 uses python2, so you need python2, not python3
816  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: [Challenge] Come up with scripts that could take a long time to evaluate on: October 17, 2019, 01:05:44 AM

I think sipa and jl2012 implemented a (your) solution to this: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16902

not yet merged however.
817  Other / Serious discussion / Re: We're not cutting co2 emissions any time soon on: October 17, 2019, 12:51:05 AM
Why don't you tell me your sources of data. Cause every time I look for stuff, I don't find anything that refutes the overall agreement that man is causing climate change via CO2. I see graphics that compare solar activity. Temperature clearly goes up and up. Graph of core samples from antartic. Shows sine wave type activity for CO2 and then from 1950 on it just goes way up higher than ever before. Graph after graph, data set after data set. And never anything that credibly refutes those things.

the climate scientist who produced the original hockey stick graph lost his libel case in court a month ago.


he claimed a skeptic was libeling him. the judge asked him to present the datasets he used. He refused.


judge threw his case out, and ruled that he pay the supposed slanderer's legal fees.


he was afraid of presenting the data, and showing how he used that to produce the well-known temperature chart.


Real (credible) scientists present a far more complicated trend for global temperatures over the C20th, where the average temperature does indeed increase from the 1950's up to today. But that's not the peak, the peak was in the 1930's.

The whole Koch Bros thing is a reverse psychology trick, oil industry people actually stand to gain alot from IPCC recommendations. You shouldn't trust a single word coming out of their lying mouths, the oil producers have been a very important part of every war (and the overall resulting genocide) for the last 100 years.
818  Other / New forum software / Re: Cryptos-Currencies.Com : First forum using Epochtalk on: October 17, 2019, 12:36:39 AM
FIDO2/U2F authentication would be ideal, maybe using a Trezor.

Example: https://wiki.trezor.io/Two-factor_Authentication_with_U2F_(Google)

GPG is more cumbersome and inconvenient to use to an average person.

totally disagree

  • Trezor is $69
  • Google Auth encourages people be lazy and use their phone to handle it, which kinda screws everyone's anonymity by default
  • PGP is free, and has gui versions for those who don't like command lines

and whichever way you go with authenticating with user handled cryptography, weird text strings are always involved.

there's no good reason not to offer PGP, at least if you care about decentralisation and letting people have the most choices how they control their own life.

And PGP is a powerful ID system too, so if you want to get a decentralized "blue tick" you can forego anonymity and use PGP to do it, Trezor and Google Auth cannot do this, whereas PGP already has a network of people using it as ID
819  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Craig Wright as "Bitcoin creator" at a conference in London!!! WTF??? on: October 16, 2019, 01:53:05 PM
what conference is this, and who are the organizers?

the organizers are the real villains here, it's impossible to feign ignorance about the facts concerning such a cast of questionable speakers, Tone Vays in particular
820  Other / Serious discussion / Re: We're not cutting co2 emissions any time soon on: October 16, 2019, 11:42:36 AM
real scientists are divided on the anthropogenic climate change issue.
No matter where I look I see numbers that say something like 85%-97% of climate scientists agree. There are lots of specific areas they don't agree currently because the science is not there yet.

agree on what? do they agree on why? (they do not)


But all I see is that data keeps coming in to say it is happening, as opposed to data that doesn't.

I see data that says most of the data you're seeing is cherry-picked or otherwise exaggerated

are we both willfully blind?
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