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8241  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Marketplace (Altcoins) / Re: Crypto Kingdom assets auction land buildings characters CKG on: March 02, 2015, 12:02:18 AM
I bid on the following:
 
  • Lot 3: 900m
  • Lot 8: 48m
  • Lot 10: 24m

Bid accepted. These items go to the best price received two hours after the highest bid (starting with yours).
8242  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: DRK vs XMR warez on: March 01, 2015, 11:57:24 PM
Interesting, thanks for the insight.  So it seems the main differences between the two, is that Shadow is on a bitcoin blockchain, which gives it some advantages.  For example it can plug in better with existing infrastructure, and have benefits of both transparent chain and anonymous chain. Also since only about 1% of transactions are used for anonymity, it will have less blockchain bloat than Monero where 100% of the transactions are done using ring sigs.

If only 1% of transactions are used for anonymity you will have massive timing anonymity leaks and such. If you take transparent coins, convert to anon, pay someone, and he converts back (both of which are logical if most commerce is taking place non-anonymously) then the whole thing is quite obviously traceable.

I don't really see much advantage to a coin that is 99% transparent, and definitely see disadvantages. Just use Bitcoin, or if you really want PoS, use whatever is the leading PoS coin, probably BitShares I guess. BitShares has stealth addresses by the way.

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I wonder if this destruction and reminting gives it any privacy advantages.

It does not. The creation and destruction process is entirely transparent.
8243  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Crypto Kingdom - 1991 Retro Virtual World(City) on: March 01, 2015, 11:43:03 PM
Major auction of many Smooth QC assets

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=973099.0
8244  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Marketplace (Altcoins) / Crypto Kingdom assets auction land buildings characters gold/CKG on: March 01, 2015, 11:42:23 PM
Smooth QC is complete

Useful references: Crypto Kingdom thread, CKG thread

After quarrying tens of millions of stone as one of if not the largest commercial entity in the game, Smooth QC is liquidating at the conclusion of the ancient era. This is a great opportunity to acquire prime assets in the game prior to the (expected to be soon) opening of the online playable version and the listing of CKG on a major crypto exchange.

The auction will commence immediately with delivery in 0-2 game years (assets/characters which are still in use at the quarry site will be delayed until quarrying is complete in 2 game years; other assets will be delivered immediately upon sale). 1 game year = 1 real day. and delivery is immediate upon closing of bids and payment.

Please read the rules of the auction carefully.  Items will be sold individually by lot. Minimum bids will decline by 25% of the original price on all assets at every 24 hour interval after this post. If an offer is received, a best-price auction period will commence, during which the highest offer posted within two hours of the previous high offer will prevail. Offers must increase the price by a minimum of 3% of the previous bid price. Prices are stated in and payment to be made using in-game "moneritos", or may be made using out-of-game BTC or XMR which will be be converted to in-game at 5% service charge. 1 XMR = 1 million moneratos. BTC exchange rate by market. All payment will be sent first. Check my trust ratings and don't participate if you don't trust me.


Added item (active)

Lot 17: 72 SCI points more info


Sold

Lot 1: 500 CKG - 370,000/CKG SOLD
Lot 2: Land and buildings 2-NW-K8 (12q). Rental income producing - 500 million WITHDRAWN
Lot 3: Quarry site 5-E (150q). Undeveloped land. 900 million. SOLD
Lot 4: Land and buildings 3-W-C3 (8q). Rental income producing - 600 million 450 million
Lot 5: 8 million stone. Stone delivered in its present location (see STONE db) - 60/stone SOLD
Lot 6: 22 drills. - 4m/drill 3m/drill SOLD
Lot 7: MGR-5. Highest level (most productive) manager character in the game - 40 million SOLD
Lot 8: 2x MGR-4 - 48 million SOLD
Lot 9: 2x MGR-3 - 24 million 18 million SOLD
Lot 10: 4x ASS-3. Highest level (most productive) assistant character in the game; only ASS that also yields mgr points - 24 million SOLD
Lot 11: 4x ASS-3. Highest level (most productive) assistant character in the game; only ASS that also yields mgr points - 24 million SOLD
Lot 12: 4x ASS-2 - 12.8 million SOLD
Lot 13: SPE-4 - 24 million SOLD
Lot 14: 5x SPE-3 - 60 million SOLD
Lot 15: SPE-2 - 6.4 million 4.8 million SOLD
Lot 16: 4 shares THC - 4.52 million SOLD

Subject to correction of errors.




EDIT: typos, add references, define game year, delivery on all items is immediate upon payment
8245  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: March 01, 2015, 10:14:22 PM
just multiply your own max position by 1000 and think what happens  Grin )

But don't worry, it's not this week or month, I hope...

That's more XMR than will ever exist !!  Shocked

Not ever because of the minimum maintenance reward of <1%/year. But it will certainly take a long time at that rate to add up to a lot (> 70 years to double).

8246  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: DRK vs XMR warez on: March 01, 2015, 09:59:48 PM
Thanks smooth, I didn't realize that.  You seem to be right from what I saw in the cryptonote whitepaper: https://cryptonote.org/whitepaper.pdf

So does Monero also use these dual-key stealth addresses? Also is Monero completely a trustless setup?

Yes and yes.
8247  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: DRK vs XMR warez on: March 01, 2015, 09:39:47 PM
Ring sigs are only one part of the Shadow system.  They serve as an added layer of obfuscation and are just one piece of the puzzle.  The other pieces of the puzzle are dual-key stealth addresses, and non-interactive zero knowledge proofs. If you don't know what those are you should look into them, its cutting edge tech. Its a unique system, and its better than cryptonote imho.

Then you are quite confused because cryptonote includes (cryptonote paper sections):

a) ring sigs (4.4)

b) dual-key stealth addresses (4.3)

c) nizkp (4.4, under 2nd heading "SIG")

Shadow's implementation is a warmed-over reimplementation using different elliptic curve paramters. That's analogous to (and about as substantive as) using hexadecimal instead of octal for arithmetic.

I don't know about this Zeuner guy. He might be an expert, but I've seen no evidence of it.

8248  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: -> Monero Community Hall of Fame <- on: March 01, 2015, 09:31:51 PM
Thank you to all recent donators on behalf of the core team and the entire Monero community!
8249  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - 0.8.8.6 on: March 01, 2015, 09:29:54 PM
Yes it could be incorporated but its not something to jump into, especially given the modest gain. Any cryptographic scheme, even small modifications to one, needs a lot of peer review and scrutiny before being ready for adoption.

Now by contrast something that made ring signatures fixed (modest) size, that would be quite something. You still wouldn't want to rush into it, but studying it and carefully reviewing it would be a matter of more urgency.

Is this something that could be implemented in XMR and would it be beneficial overall (due to smaller rings being larger)?

Anyone have a tl;dr for Adam Back's post on ring-signatures: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=972541.msg10619684#msg10619684

He came up with a way to make cryptonote ring signatures about half the size (for larger rings; for smaller rings it is larger) and twice as fast to verify.

8250  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - 0.8.8.6 on: March 01, 2015, 09:18:23 PM
Anyone have a tl;dr for Adam Back's post on ring-signatures: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=972541.msg10619684#msg10619684

He came up with a way to make cryptonote ring signatures about half the size (for larger rings; for smaller rings it is larger) and twice as fast to verify.
8251  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Cryptocoins-Dice.com | BTC XRP XMR XMG DOGE | Play Invest Leverage Faucet on: March 01, 2015, 07:52:38 PM


This does not explain:

during a time period in which the house lost 2 million fluffypony and I both lost over 2 million each.

I can imagine how it might be possible but without more transparency on the entire process including investment and leverage changes you aren't going to restore confidence. Another possibility is that wpalczynski is mistaken and that didn't happen. Either way, please document it.

Just posting log files on a one time basis to put out the fire now is not good enough either, they need to be available ongoing.

8252  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Crypto Kingdom - 1991 Retro Virtual World(City) on: March 01, 2015, 12:02:55 AM
For this interested in buying large amounts of land inexpensively, Smooth Quarry Corp has consistently auctioned off its quarry sites  once quarring is complete. This will also be the case for the current site at 5-E as well, in a few years. The last one sold for 900 million, if I recall correctly, or only 6 million/q.

8253  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Cryptocoins-Dice.com | BTC XRP XMR XMG DOGE | Play Invest Leverage Faucet on: February 28, 2015, 11:57:23 PM
Hi fluffy,

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You're going to have a hard time proving this isn't a scam. Someone far more familiar with martingale and gambling dynamics will have to look at your code to see where you screwed up.

You're not the only accusing my site of being a scam right after that loss for the investors.
I'm not here to insult peoples but I'm not here to be insulted too.

There was no insult from my side - I said you would have a hard time proving you're not a scam given the situation, that is not incorrect. I further said that someone with greater familiarity with the dynamic would need to look at the code, and that is also not incorrect. I'm not suggesting you open-source your code, but you could definitely open-source or privately distribute the investment / betting algorithms responsible for this behaviour.

I don't want an answer from smooth, I want to be treated by the company owner like I am a sizeable investor. Because I am, even after this 90% loss. Continuing to dodge around semantics and my word choices just makes you look guilty

I totally agree that more transparency about the process and effect of investment and leverage changes is definitely needed. I've told Bobbax that this is the only thing I think will enable to him to retain both a leverage feature and some degree of user confidence. This is just my opinion though, ultimately it is his call what if anything to do here.
8254  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - 0.8.8.6 on: February 28, 2015, 11:41:16 PM
So its my understanding after listening to the latest Missive that the next daemon release you will be able to clean up dust without incurring a per KB fee using 0 mixin.  Will those that mine in a pool be allowed to keep their accumulated dust from emissions as it rolls over from pay out to payout.   Or will mining now only generate 2 places right of the decimal point (.25) ?

Thanks for any clarity on this.

The removal of dust is unrelated to fees - if you have dust it is still going to cost you to sweep it. Two things will change once we have implemented the MRL 4 recommendations:

1. No new dust will be created ever. This is part of the hard-fork changes, as it will mean that on a protocol level nodes will reject transactions that attempt to create unique outputs with no peers in the txoset (although, as a sidenote, new outputs without any txoset peers can be created in expectation of peers existing soon-ish, as long as it is complies with the ^10 / order of magnitude rule and thus isn't unmixable)

2. Existing dust can be spent at mixin 0, as long as the outputs the transaction creates comply with rule 1.

So if I understand this correctly, for example 0.003475895753 XMR is considered dust but

0.003 XMR
0.0004 XMR
0.00007 XMR
0.000005 XMR
0.0000008 XMR
0.00000009 XMR
0.000000005 XMR
0.0000000007 XMR
0.00000000005 XMR
0.000000000003 XMR

are not considered dust.

Yes that's right. There might be some anti-spam rules about very, very small outputs that can be removed later if necessary. The full 12 digits are pretty silly right now, and maybe always (Bitcoin's 8 seems enough even with hypothetically trillions of dollars in capitalization), but in principle that are at least standardized and can be mixed if they are being used at all.
8255  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: February 28, 2015, 09:42:55 PM
Greece is nothing but a tourist attraction, unless they understand their own mechanics to the problem.

Tourism is an export product.

Probably countries like Greece that have nice islands, beaches, history, etc. would be better off focusing on having an efficient tourism industry than trying to do things that China does better.
8256  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: February 28, 2015, 08:39:50 PM
Important update for those that had funds on MintPal

We worked with the former MintPal developers who managed to get the wallet from the server, and we're happy to confirm that we have assisted them in recovering the *full* balance that was on MintPal. If you had Monero on it, you will have received an email from them, and you will be able to withdraw it. Not a single Monero was lost, which really is very fortunate.
8257  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Cryptocoins-Dice.com | BTC XRP XMR XMG DOGE | Play Invest Leverage Faucet on: February 28, 2015, 04:22:12 AM
There is no way a casino with a house edge loses its investors 88.6% of their investment, no matter how leveraged they are or how unlucky the casino is.

You're mistaken; leverage doesn't work the way you think it does.

With 100x leverage "the house" only needs to lose 1% against the bettors for investors to lose 100% of their investment. Even with an edge, the house being down 1% will happen frequently.

Leverage is dangerous and the effects are in many some ways non-intuitive. Don't leverage at 100x if you don't want to lose all your investment sooner or latter. The 1% edge will not save you. On the other hand, I'm not opposed to 100x leverage if people are well informed about the risks they are taking. For example, it may make very good sense to do that if only a small portion of your overall capital is not invested on the site at any one time. (This was the original stated purpose of the feature at j-d, where it is called "offsite".)

When people have asked me I have said that anything above 2x or 4x leverage is risky and requires exceptionally good judgement and very keen understanding of the system to pull off successfully. This has been borne out.

EDIT: again, this is not an endorsement of the site. I have no idea if there are bugs, exploits, fraud (internal or external), etc.
8258  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Cryptocoins-Dice.com | BTC XRP XMR XMG DOGE | Play Invest Leverage Faucet on: February 28, 2015, 12:44:38 AM
If what you are saying is true then this has to be the unluckiest online casino in the history of casinos.  After running for well over a month its investors are at a net loss when you combine all currencies.

This is not really true. I think just-dice ran at a loss for a long time, on much bigger volume. What tends to happen is that there are relatively few very large bets that account for most of the action, so even though there are millions of bets, most of those don't really count at all for variance purposes (weighted average of which is by x2).

EDIT: This is not an endorsement of the site. I have no idea if there are bugs, exploits, fraud (internal or external), etc. I'm just saying that with a 1% edge and varying bet sizes, the effect of luck is more than you may expect.
8259  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Cryptocurrency with the best distribution? on: February 28, 2015, 12:28:20 AM
Of course it does. If it is sent to a random address, not the poor but the ones with most addresses will win. If more is taken from the "rich", the largest addresses, not the actual rich, lose more. If it is only taken but not distributed, nothing changes. Etc.

Sure I agree about addresses being pointless. That's that's why I have always explained that the "rich lists" shown around by various scam alts are themselves scams.

But I don't really agree about the rest. Most of the world has virtually no wealth aside from human capital. If we assume that is not included then even 2.5% of other wealth given equally by everyone (to anyone or everyone without specifically targeting the richest) does increase equality.

Seems we exactly agree. The only practical difficulty is how to enforce the collection of this tax (easy with blockchain, difficult IRL) and how to distribute it equally (difficult with blockchain, easy IRL).

Distributing anything IRL is often not easy. In theory sure, but in practice there is always fraud and abuse, sometime on a national or larger scale.

Controlled inflation works reasonably well for the blockchain case. I happen not to believe you should be able to sit on an asset and be guaranteed X% of the monetary base in perpetuity. (In fact I would say this guarantees that the relevant monetary base will shrink) Others disagree on that clearly though.



8260  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: February 28, 2015, 12:23:39 AM
This is getting OT but "desktop" is increasingly irrelevant.

Desktop in this context also means laptops.

I was including laptops. Computing is moving almost entirely to mobile (including broadly tablets and chromebooks) and the cloud. More mobile devices are sold every year than the installed base of computers, and the former is still growing (the latter not significantly). The cloud runs on Linux almost entirely, although in most cases the end user has no access to that. But at least the operator/provider of the service isn't running a spyware OS. They will often be running in a spyware virtual machine though.

Overall it is a rather bleak picture in Orwellian terms, but it is important not to focus too much on one increasingly narrow segment at the expense of understanding the entire landscape.

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