[XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency

[nikos64]

I just realized Satoshi has a full wiki page in esperanto: http://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satoshi_Nakamoto
coincidence? I would like to think not

It's pretty amazing that between my English and Spanish I can, for the most part, put together a rough understanding of that wiki

It is well known (and double confirmed) that Satoshi Nakamoto learn from his own mistakes, is now a full supporter of monero.
It is well known (and double confirmed) also, that he sells all of his bitcoins to buy moneros.
God forgive us!

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[wpalczynski]

Is it true?

I just realized Satoshi has a full wiki page in esperanto: http://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satoshi_Nakamoto
coincidence? I would like to think not

It's pretty amazing that between my English and Spanish I can, for the most part, put together a rough understanding of that wiki

It is well known (and double confirmed) that Satoshi Nakamoto learn from his own mistakes, is now a full supporter of monero.
It is well known (and double confirmed) also, that he sells all of his bitcoins to buy moneros.
God forgive us!

[nikos64]

Is it true?

Double confirmed 

[David Latapie]

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Great overview! Should go on the monero.cc website, I guess? Some small corrections:

• if not open-source, I would maybe indicate "closed source", as this is a critical thing in crypto currencies (Monero Client .NET and mymonero.com as well, strictly speaking)
• mymonero.com should maybe have dashes for all "binary" flags
• an API/RPC column would be really helpful (only simplewallet, I think?)
• BitKoot's CryptoNoteWallet is graphical
• What makes BitKoot's CryptoNoteWallet "official"?

A bug on the forum prevents me to add it, I already created a bug report

For closed-source, I will add a column (this is only for mymonero so far and I will add a mention that it will ultimately be open-sourced). I won't do it with the present BBCode, because this is horrible to edit, Markdown is much better (essentially because you can insert HTML in Markdown)

API/RPC column: it would require more than a yes/no, right? Because not every software would accept any API/RPC

Similarly, I will add an OpenAlias column

Since this is a lot of colum, I will pivot the table, with one column per wallet (instead of one row, presently)

I will correct for cryptonote - mere oversight, when copying/pasting, thanks

Done!

[fluffypony]

Important update for those that had funds on MintPal

We worked with the former MintPal developers who managed to get the wallet from the server, and we're happy to confirm that we have assisted them in recovering the *full* balance that was on MintPal. If you had Monero on it, you will have received an email from them, and you will be able to withdraw it. Not a single Monero was lost, which really is very fortunate.

[wpalczynski]

How much Monero was presumed lost on Mintpal?

Important update for those that had funds on MintPal

We worked with the former MintPal developers who managed to get the wallet from the server, and we're happy to confirm that we have assisted them in recovering the *full* balance that was on MintPal. If you had Monero on it, you will have received an email from them, and you will be able to withdraw it. Not a single Monero was lost, which really is very fortunate.

[fluffypony]

So its my understanding after listening to the latest Missive that the next daemon release you will be able to clean up dust without incurring a per KB fee using 0 mixin.  Will those that mine in a pool be allowed to keep their accumulated dust from emissions as it rolls over from pay out to payout.   Or will mining now only generate 2 places right of the decimal point (.25) ?

Thanks for any clarity on this.

The removal of dust is unrelated to fees - if you have dust it is still going to cost you to sweep it. Two things will change once we have implemented the MRL 4 recommendations:

1. No new dust will be created ever. This is part of the hard-fork changes, as it will mean that on a protocol level nodes will reject transactions that attempt to create unique outputs with no peers in the txoset (although, as a sidenote, new outputs without any txoset peers can be created in expectation of peers existing soon-ish, as long as it is complies with the ^10 / order of magnitude rule and thus isn't unmixable)

2. Existing dust can be spent at mixin 0, as long as the outputs the transaction creates comply with rule 1.

[fluffypony]

How much Monero was presumed lost on Mintpal?

124 896 XMR, all recovered:)

[onemorebtc]

How much Monero was presumed lost on Mintpal?

124 896 XMR, all recovered:)

congratulations and thank you very much that you did this! (even though i never used mintpal)

quite interesting that not that much xmr was there: maybe we (as a community) have learned that we need to control the private keys ourselves? would be nice...

[wpalczynski]

These exchange thefts seldom have a happy ending.  Some people will be quite happy.

Congratulations!

How much Monero was presumed lost on Mintpal?

124 896 XMR, all recovered:)

[KennyTheMartian]

Important update for those that had funds on MintPal

We worked with the former MintPal developers who managed to get the wallet from the server, and we're happy to confirm that we have assisted them in recovering the *full* balance that was on MintPal. If you had Monero on it, you will have received an email from them, and you will be able to withdraw it. Not a single Monero was lost, which really is very fortunate.

I remember posting about these lost monero coins a while back and some one responded by stating they were all dumped after the hack. Great to hear they were recovered.

[wpalczynski]

I remember that too. A large amount of Monero was dumped on Polionex right at the time of the scam.  Maybe some details will come out soon on how this played out.

Important update for those that had funds on MintPal

We worked with the former MintPal developers who managed to get the wallet from the server, and we're happy to confirm that we have assisted them in recovering the *full* balance that was on MintPal. If you had Monero on it, you will have received an email from them, and you will be able to withdraw it. Not a single Monero was lost, which really is very fortunate.

I remember posting about these lost monero coins a while back and some one responded by stating they were all dumped after the hack. Great to hear they were recovered.

[Hueristic]

I remember that too. A large amount of Monero was dumped on Polionex right at the time of the scam.  Maybe some details will come out soon on how this played out.

Important update for those that had funds on MintPal

We worked with the former MintPal developers who managed to get the wallet from the server, and we're happy to confirm that we have assisted them in recovering the *full* balance that was on MintPal. If you had Monero on it, you will have received an email from them, and you will be able to withdraw it. Not a single Monero was lost, which really is very fortunate.

I remember posting about these lost monero coins a while back and some one responded by stating they were all dumped after the hack. Great to hear they were recovered.

Tough to follow the chain.

[rpietila]

I remember that too. A large amount of Monero was dumped on Polionex right at the time of the scam.  Maybe some details will come out soon on how this played out.

Large holders may have dumper pre-emptively, to get out before the thief gets to sell the stolen coins. This also happened with the fake-BCX, pre-emptive selling before panic was mistaken for panic.  

[wpalczynski]

That makes sense.  I think I recall the number being thrown around back then at around 50k.

I remember that too. A large amount of Monero was dumped on Polionex right at the time of the scam.  Maybe some details will come out soon on how this played out.

Large holders may have dumper pre-emptively, to get out before the thief gets to sell the stolen coins. This also happened with the fake-BCX, pre-emptive selling before panic was mistaken for panic.  

[papa_lazzarou]

Important update for those that had funds on MintPal

We worked with the former MintPal developers who managed to get the wallet from the server, and we're happy to confirm that we have assisted them in recovering the *full* balance that was on MintPal. If you had Monero on it, you will have received an email from them, and you will be able to withdraw it. Not a single Monero was lost, which really is very fortunate.

This is getting ridiculous. This team is way too awesome to be true. Are you Vulcans?

[dchou]

Confirmed. Sent my payment address via email yesterday. Received the coins in my wallet just now.

[triplef]

yes nice.. now come mine

[owlcatz]

How much Monero was presumed lost on Mintpal?

124 896 XMR, all recovered:)

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Sweet, I recall a few here who got burnt so that is good news, thanks.

[ArticMine]

So its my understanding after listening to the latest Missive that the next daemon release you will be able to clean up dust without incurring a per KB fee using 0 mixin.  Will those that mine in a pool be allowed to keep their accumulated dust from emissions as it rolls over from pay out to payout.   Or will mining now only generate 2 places right of the decimal point (.25) ?

Thanks for any clarity on this.

The removal of dust is unrelated to fees - if you have dust it is still going to cost you to sweep it. Two things will change once we have implemented the MRL 4 recommendations:

1. No new dust will be created ever. This is part of the hard-fork changes, as it will mean that on a protocol level nodes will reject transactions that attempt to create unique outputs with no peers in the txoset (although, as a sidenote, new outputs without any txoset peers can be created in expectation of peers existing soon-ish, as long as it is complies with the ^10 / order of magnitude rule and thus isn't unmixable)

2. Existing dust can be spent at mixin 0, as long as the outputs the transaction creates comply with rule 1.

So if I understand this correctly, for example 0.003475895753 XMR is considered dust but

0.003 XMR
0.0004 XMR
0.00007 XMR
0.000005 XMR
0.0000008 XMR
0.00000009 XMR
0.000000005 XMR
0.0000000007 XMR
0.00000000005 XMR
0.000000000003 XMR

are not considered dust.