Good to see you stepping in, V8 - your comments will be welcomed I am sure - even if you choose to offer some healthy scepticism.   The quality of debate is pretty good here.

Ref: Theymos - actually he surprised me with how open and measured he is.  He is far more nuanced and less dogmatic than I would have expected, it was an interesting read. How it relates to the Monero tail emission is not clear, as we just don't know yet.  However, Monero will reach this point before BTC does, as the end of the 'normal' block reward will be reached before BTC's.

That said, even if Monero is successful once it transitions into its tail emission (or a failure of a.n.other POW coin following the end of block reward proves the concept iffy) I can't see Bitcoin changing.  Mainly as all the bitcoins out there will have owners with a huge vested interest in no further coins being issued.  Both coins' paths have been set - albeit Monero is probably more able to make a change than Bitcoin since it is not quite seen as 'holy writ' in the way Bitcoin is.

I think - as Theymos said, the end of the block reward is unlikely to sink Bitcoin and a 'fix' will be found to make fees pay for the continuance of network security performed by miners somehow.  But even Theymos admitted there are huge issues with fees, mining and transactions that are not optimal and do not really work as envisaged.

Crypto is still new and must face all kinds of issues - some already known and some yet to be seen.  Monero's tail emission is a possible fix for the post-block reward issue.  It has yet to be proven and until it is, it's just a different theoretical approach to Bitcoin's.

Ta for the merit; cordially reciprocated.

I always thought we could do with a cross-dressing singer to rally our spirits up in bearish times with heartfelt torch songs.

We have enough people here with studio gear to pull off a mix or two...

I do agree it's less likely things can drop much further, but Monero will not be 'out of the woods' until Bitcoin is.  It's stating the obvious, but the behemoth that BTC is, in a market that is dominated by it, sets the tone... meaning any prediction of Monero's price (in USD terms) is heavily dependent on the BTC /USD market.

That said, assuming the bear market must end in BTC and that the end is more likely to be months, than years away now, then that will see Monero's USD price rise heavily from the lows we have seen of late.  It will take a rise against BTC too for it to really shine, but once there are real signs the crypto winter is ending, Monero is well placed and has fared better than most in these tough times.

Monero is undeniably cheap at these levels. I think much lower in XMR/USD than the $50 mark is highly unlikely unless BTC is going to go under $3000, so it probably is a good time to buy (given XMR/BTC is as low as it's been for a few months against BTC, too).  

Aminorex is right to be cautious; calling the bear market over is a mug's game - but the possibility of a sharp move up is certainly real.

If we are following a 2013/2014 pattern again, as some say - then January next year should be the absolute low.  OK, history doesn't repeat itself exactly, but it often rhymes....  

I personally think the BTC (and therefore the whole crypto) bear market is bottoming and will be visibly over soon - by spring at the latest - which means the outlook for Monero is looking good.  But that is just my gut feeling, hopium-based guess.  

DYOR.

Me too, similarly shocked when I saw V8's post.

Congratulations infofront!  Don't feel the need to justify any absence in the circumstances, it's totally understandable.

Best wishes to the three of you.

Poems and well-crafted limericks aside...

I am not concerned in the longer long term on price.  Sure with hindsight, I should have sold more in Dec, but I can't go back, and what you can't change is not worth being chewed up over.

Actually currently I am impressed with Hairy's calls and I am also sceptical about our little coin being out of the woods yet.

As for the bear market:

To (roughly) recall a wise orator: It's not the end, not even the beginning of the end, but it looks like it might be the end of the beginning.

Poetry. Poetry everywhere!

And I'm rarely furious.

To express one's self
In seventeen syllables
Is very diffic

Intentional haiku...?

You are so full of utter shit, it's kind of funny. Trolling should be at least plausible, especially if a poster's sexual preference is unusual, given your handle.

But I will bite if you will answer one question:

Are you a sad fuck who is being paid to shill, or just trying to get cheap Monero because you were too stupid to buy back when it was 25c a pop?

You know it's a damn good coin, you aren't that stupid.  So why post?

Yep

Remember this guy?:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHg8qIKJo1I

Hey, do tell your friend Jamie Dimon:

There's only one of you, but there are fucking millions of me.

in case you're a Monero OG and you haven't seen this in the WO thread:

No problem, good luck, if that is what you really think.  

But tell me this: what is your point in still positing here, then?

If I dumped a coin, I would not bother posting about it, it has no interest anymore, right?   So you posting here makes me think this is theatre - it's for a reason.  

In other words - you're full of shit, you actually have an interest. Either you are wanting to buy lower / shorting - or you're being paid to shiil.

So: which is it?  Are you a liar or a whore?

EDIT:  p.s. I know you're male and the avatar is just wishful thinking on your part.  By 'whore', I meat 'for sale'. 

Biggest couple of days to be seen, volume-wise, in many months. 

At least shit's happening, but to state the obvious: there need to be green candles like these instead of red. 

Yes, saw it yesterday as I was thinking of sending in (or rather back) some dollars.  I'm not in USA, but I do have a USD account (specially for USD / BTC /Stamp) which was super convenient for taking money out.  Now it is looking less convenient. 

I will need to send EUR via SEPA (which will cost me to buy) then take another hit on exchanging into USD at Stamp to trade. Ugh.

Sweet. You made my day.   

Priceless!

The faster this goes, the sooner it hits a price where the cavalry rides in.

At some point the market says 'too cheap' and doom turns into FOMO.

Serves him Wright.