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861  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Quad XC6SLX150 Board - Initial Price £400/$640/520€ on: July 26, 2012, 01:01:23 PM
Oh boy, here we go again. Could the documentation get any more confusing ? I mean you post a controller but no bitstream to go with it, why ?

862  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Bounty: a bitstream for better utilizing the Cairnsmore1 140-240btc on: July 25, 2012, 12:43:49 PM
2BTC pledged as I have 2 * CM1 right now

do we give this to a 3rd party or straight to the winner once bitstream is tested?

Think Isokivi is only acting in an organiser capacity. Aslong as the winner states his bitcoin address I'm sure the rest can be done from there.

Yes, I will not be holding anyones money. Im not a long enough time member, nor well enough known to do this, should a figure the community trusts step up, it can be done, but for now I expect everyone to pay their pledges separateley when a bitstream qualifying is out.
863  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Bounty: a bitstream for better utilizing the Cairnsmore1 140-240btc on: July 24, 2012, 04:41:25 PM
Terms finalized, so now untill wehave a bitstream we should just see the bounty ticking up as more ppl join, just as a reminder: I would like to urge anyone who has these boards to donate 1btc per board, it's very likeley that it will turn out a good investment.
864  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Bounty: a bitstream for better utilizing the Cairnsmore1 on: July 24, 2012, 12:52:30 PM
Ok, Im giving you guys a couple of more hours on the terms, before finalizing them as they are uless any objections rise.
865  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Bounty: a bitstream for better utilizing the Cairnsmore1 on: July 23, 2012, 01:36:12 PM
Term update:
"9. glasswalkers solution, even if released by enterpoint will qualify for the bounty if all other qualifications are met"


I hope this pleases all ?

866  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Bounty: a bitstream for better utilizing the Cairnsmore1 on: July 23, 2012, 01:31:30 PM
First draft of the bounty terms is up, 2nd post in this thread, you have 2 days to suggest changes or show approval.

Iso,

I am fine with the terms but suggest it be clear that Glasswalker's contribution would qualify even if it his bitstream is released by Enterpoint.  Since he has been working the problem at his own risk with no assured compensation from Enterpoint, I believe that is fair.

Also, if the general terms of the bounty is to withdraw it upon an Enterpoint release, that is the condition I will stand with.  My statement was only that I would support Zefir's proposal if everyone else went with it.

My bonus depends on most board owners contributing to the main bounty.  There are a several people who have openly acknowledged holding large numbers of boards who have not signed on.  I hope that changes soon.



Were hoping to have hundreads of ppl pledge in to this, I cannot and will not maintain everyones conditions in the bounty, especially since everyone seems to be tossing in different terms, sorry. If someone else has the time and devotion to do this, I will gladly step down from organizing things.
867  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Bounty: a bitstream for better utilizing the Cairnsmore1 on: July 22, 2012, 06:01:48 AM
First draft of the bounty terms is up, 2nd post in this thread, you have 2 days to suggest changes or show approval.
868  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Quad XC6SLX150 Board - Initial Price £400/$640/520€ on: July 20, 2012, 03:39:41 PM
Im glad to hear that a lot of people are currently working on a bitstream and would like to propose a bounty on one. Since im fairly sure a lot others are willing to pledge and would like to discuss the terms of such a bounty I have started a separate thread for it, dont want to clog this one up more than is necessary.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=94317.msg1042972#msg1042972
869  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Bounty: a bitstream for better utilizing the Cairnsmore1 on: July 20, 2012, 03:38:44 PM
Bounty terms and pledges.

These are the final terms:

1. We need to be able to upload the bitstream on to boards with an usb cable.
2. The bitstream needs to achieve an average speed of 760Mhs/board.
3. The bitstream does not include any forced donation of hashingpower.
4. The bitstream needs to be able to run stable without manual intervention for 48 consecutive hours.
5. Enterpoint's own bistream development is excluded from recieving the bounty, however if they deliver before anyone else does it closes the bounty.
6. The bistream needs to be open sourced and documented (I'm no expert here, need help on the wording of this term)
7. Many people have pledged more, under very specific terms, I will not count those pledges in to the total in this post, just to keep things simple.
8. If the bistream is released before 31.8.12 (8-31-12 for confused Us-residents) there are signifigant additions to the bounty that will be listed in a separate total, ilnluding the entire bounty.
9. glasswalkers solution, even if released by enterpoint will qualify for the bounty if all other qualifications are met.


Current amount pledged:

Participating forum members and pledge amounts:

Isokivi  3btc
roomservice 10btc
dietwice 1btc (per board owned, total unknown)
misternoodle 1btc
steamboat 9btc
daemonic 1btc
spiccioli 20btc
Chefnet 1btc
Hpman 1btc
salty 1btc
Lethos 5btc
Gomeler 10btc
Arvicco 30btc
Slipbye 50btc
ShadesOfMarble 2btc
Feefox 5btc
julz 1btc
Cranky4u 2btc
tf101 2btc
doff 2btc

total: 157btc

31.8.12 (8-31-12) deadline bounty:
zefir 75btc
Entropy-uc 50btc
tnkflx 12.5btc

total: 294.5btc

Zefir will be holding the bounty in escrow. He's address is 1CM1bj7jxVskkvKE2kcw6L16rHMXL38aFm
PM zefir when you send your btc.
Theres a spreadsheet about it at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Au2jspuzErkedHhDSEt5aTVPcUNMMjg4STVnOWV3VkE#gid=0







870  Bitcoin / Hardware / Bounty[PAID OUT] : a bitstream for better utilizing the Cairnsmore1 157-294.5btc on: July 20, 2012, 03:38:16 PM
As atleast everyone who onwns one knows these boards arent performing to expectations because we do not have a proper bitstream yet. Im starting a bounty for it so that the brilliant individuals working on one can miss work if need be to provide us with one. As of now Im opening the discussion up for what should be the terms for this bounty. I personnally would be somewhat satisfied with a solution that can mine continuously for 48 hours without need for any manual upkeep at a hashing speed exceeding 750Mhs. At this time I think Im pledging one bitcoin per board owned and I feel such a sum from everyone owning a board would be reasonable. As far as I know there are atleast 450 of these boards in the wild, presumably more.

One of the issues up for discussion is wether the bounty applies to a solution requiring a 3rd party web-service Ie. eldentyrells solution.

I'll wait for replies for a couple of days before finalizing the bounty.
871  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Quad XC6SLX150 Board - Initial Price £400/$640/520€ on: July 18, 2012, 06:41:10 PM
This propably isnt the correct place to ask this, but im almost certain that asking anywhere else would result in 2 pages of questions, trolling, etc about how I use cgminer. So here goes:

How do I add a backup pool to this .bat im running to start my boards:

Code:
 cgminer -o http://pool.com -u me -p pass --disable-gpu -S noauto -S \\.\COM22 -S \\.\COM23 -S \\.\COM26 -S \\.\COM27 -S \\.\COM30 -S \\.\COM31 -S \\.\COM34 -S \\.\COM35 


?
872  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Quad XC6SLX150 Board - Initial Price £400/$640/520€ on: July 17, 2012, 07:23:50 AM
Any tips or advice on getting the hardware stable for more than 2 hours plus. It tells me that both of the units have failed.
I'll get an exact copy of the message next time it occurs. At first I figure maybe it was the usb slot was powering down or something.
But it's also happened in under 30minutes of me running it. I've also set all my usb slots to not turn them off to save power early on in testing these.

The com ports are often what disappears from the device manager, at which point I assume that is why they stop working.
Is their anything that that can help force them to stay... hmm maybe I'll go look.

I've solved all the software stability problems just by moving upto to Cgminer 2.5. That is far more stable than previous versions, good work on that Kano and the team (there is more than 1 of you right?)

No one appears to have a simple works for all solution for this. Basicly we just need to wait till enterpoint rolls out a stable controller. I fiddled with the usb-power saving settings also, but it made no difference. The problem is that the boards randomly dissapear from your device manager and you need to power them off and on (preferrably detatching the usb cable while doing it). You might want to try a different usb-port for the device dissapearing, make note of it the next time it happens. I've been able to get ~20hour sessions this way, but once you get there you might find an issue where one of the boards stops finding shares. Thusfar I have no workaround to that. If your leaving your boards hashing alone for a long time, you can minimize the mining time lost, by running them in separate cgminer instances. so that when one board dissapears, only the cgminer it's on crashes and the other one keeps hashing.

My findings are on 64bit win 7 using enterpoints cgminer, twin_test bitstream and controller version 1.2
873  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Quad XC6SLX150 Board - Initial Price £400/$640/520€ on: July 15, 2012, 01:04:09 PM
I tought I propably should mention that the following usb-hubs havent proven to be a solution to boards dissapearing from the device-manager and thus crashing cgminer:

Unpowered:
Belkin usb 2.0 lighted travel hub, 4 port (F5U034erBLK)
Powered:
Fujitech 4-port active usb hub (ean code 6438148000158) This one wont ever even detect four boards properly and is too light to use for a paperweight.

But it does put me in a nice spot where my RoI is negative after nearly two weeks of mining. Anyone struggling with this issue might want to hold off on buying more accessories that propably will not resolve the issue anyways. I'd love to add something positive, constructing or supportive here, but sadly I dont have shit.
874  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Quad XC6SLX150 Board - Initial Price £400/$640/520€ on: July 10, 2012, 08:26:57 PM
All I need to know is if I have the  unmarked SW's  correct when programing the controller. SW 1 and 6 are marked, if you could quickly tell me if they are all on or all off for SW,2, 3, 4, and 5 I would be set.

Or if someone has successfully updated theirs could tell what position they had theirs in that would help too. The board we suspect is broken anyhow always stated the update was successful although I have my doubts.
Twin_test bitstream running settings on the swiches not indicated in the picture worked for me.
875  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Quad XC6SLX150 Board - Initial Price £400/$640/520€ on: July 10, 2012, 11:46:35 AM
speaking of ROI, DHL just called me and they said customs wants 400$ some dollars before they can release the shipment. Maybe I should have looked this up but I guess import tax is applied to more expensive shipments in the US?
One of the main reasons I hope enterpoint succeeds is their geographical location, odering something outside the EU would cost me 23% more in taxes, even on the shipping.
876  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Quad XC6SLX150 Board - Initial Price £400/$640/520€ on: July 10, 2012, 10:31:29 AM

While I have every faith in you being able to provide a nice bitstream eventually, the sad truth is that the boards I bought are less likeley to ever see a full return of investment every passing day and if infact all eldentyrell needs from you is the driver source and your not providing it to him I feel like you owe us an explanation as to why. Were all grownups here and even if we dont like the explanation Im sure we can deal with it.

Ok possibly the return on return characteristics may have changed in the last weeks by *** but of course they may not deliver as promised and then ROI actually doesn't change. Do remember 10 weeks ago we offer a product at 33% discount because it was a development and that was explicitly explained at that point. Even only running at the 50% notional performance that we are today we are not far removed in ROI of other FPGA boards.
Theres a reason I havent bought any other fgpa boards. Also out of my 12 bought cores only 5 are functioning. So im below the precieved 190Mhs, I have mailed your support and am waiting a followup on that.

The core of the team are already running 100hr+ weeks and have done so since the start of the project. That's part of how we have achieved the timescales. We can't ask more of them than that. Anything that we do that isn't on the plan is a very direct hit on producing the bitsream and other support work for the bulk of our customers. A further point is adding another variable to support i.e. the ET bitstream will further impact progress by virtue of more support calls. If I read it right ET just said he has taken 1 week to get his own very known setup to work again. What's that going to be like for a customer that doesn't have the technical knowledge he has or we have on the products. It's a nightmare basically. We might end up having our team work a week on one customer installation as is and still not have a solution. That's why we are not jumping into the unknown just yet. I'm not in any way saying ET can't do his stuff and sort it out but what I don't what to see is our own progress complete stopped to support a third party. It's not even good for ET to introduce another variable to try and support. As far as I am aware he doesn't even have a Cairnsmore1 to replicate problems on and allow debug of his IP.
I'd assume you could state that you do not offer any set-up support for third party bitstreams, I personally would be fine with it. We have a strong and extremeley knoweledgeable community here, if something is possible the hive-mind that is bitcointalk will not only find the solution, but also share it publicly.
877  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Quad XC6SLX150 Board - Initial Price £400/$640/520€ on: July 10, 2012, 07:52:29 AM

To put matters straight we did not say we would start our own bitstream development at the beginning of this process and indeed people we talked to privately we told them we would have very little resources for this in May and only a little in June. I think I said quite a lot of this in this forum as well. We have more or less kept to that schedule and we have only really had a reasonable resourcing on this for 2-3 weeks now. Ok we made a small mistake on the wiring to the second chip and the original plan of dropping in an Icarus bitstream initially into all positions didn't quite work and that was our mistake. However it was a reasonable engineering decision to fix this with our own bitstream as the fastest way to sort the issue. The Icarus bitstream was only ever a temporary solution and I think that was made clear.

I have also said that for bitstream development it isn't easy to put a precise time on and yes I might have said a few days and maybe I should have said a few weeks. This isn't a process we can do a percentage complete number on with any accuracy. Unlike a lot of FPGA things we do this function with either work or it won't there is no partial working stage to give a measure on and it will simply be working one morning when I get in the office. Do remember too it is only 10 weeks and 4 days since we announced the concept and we probably have the best FPGA hardware platform designed but have manufactured and delivered hundreds of them to customers in that timeframe. I don't want to hark on about that but most professional engineers in the electronics business would either say that was either impossible or very unlikely that it could be done.
No one is saying it's easy.


As to ET's bitstream that has barely been working for more than a handful of days on one of Ztex's boards and has had a pile of problems on there over those days. We are watching how this develops and I am sure he will sort out the issues. We could sink our entire resource into supporting that now but it's no guarantee that it will work any quicker and if it did his server might well collapse under the weight of Cairnsmore1s trying to use the server services. That would also bring our own develop to a complete halt which would not be good and we have a pile of customers that simply don't want to be forced down that route. So this is something we have to balance our time on. When the ET solution is slightly more stable will be the time to some work.
How much resources can it really demand, asfar as I understand all he needs is the driver code.
[edit]
"But if they submit a driver for their proprietary USB interface (i.e. a Java class implementing MiningChip) I will certainly include it.  Until then carinsmore supported via JTAG like all other boards.
"

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=49971.msg1009527#msg1009527

Also as far as I understand ETs solution can't support multiple units working together as yet. We don't have any problems with customers using this bitstream as such and we will do our best to support it. We do believe we have the best chance of any of the FPGA boards of being able to support that bitstream given our power and cooling systems but right now it looks like a pile of development work and server hardware to install before it is actually a viable solution. I will have a look at what he needs once I find a utility to open a jar file and see if we can do anything quickly. If it is days of work then it won't happen this week for an unstable solution the time is better spent stabilising our own product and we have made good progress this week already with the new controller update.
While I have every faith in you being able to provide a nice bitstream eventually, the sad truth is that the boards I bought are less likeley to ever see a full return of investment every passing day and if infact all eldentyrell needs from you is the driver source and your not providing it to him I feel like you owe us an explanation as to why. Were all grownups here and even if we dont like the explanation Im sure we can deal with it.
878  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Quad XC6SLX150 Board - Initial Price £400/$640/520€ on: July 10, 2012, 04:56:43 AM
Also yohan can you please fill out the TML BDK? http://www.tricone-mining.com/bdk.html as ET will not implement native usb support without one filled out.

+3!
This should of have been done forever ago. No matter how much enterpoint considers it a distraction from their own bitstream which has been "a few days away" since god knows when, may 27th ?
879  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Algorithmically placed FPGA miner: 245MH/s/chip and still rising on: July 09, 2012, 07:08:11 PM
Quoting from the Cairnsmore thread:
quote author=yohan link=topic=78239.msg1017131#msg1017131 date=1341773836]
An update (Rev 1.2) to the controller is available on http://www.enterpoint.co.uk/cairnsmore/cairnsmore1_support_materials.html. I would not update your board to this unless you have a unit that is underperforming with the twin bitstream. As with all controller updates please be careful that you understand the instructions (Rev 1.1 update) fully before starting and ensure that your power is unlikely to be interrupted. If a controller update goes wrong it is likely that a programming cable will be necessary to perform a unit recovery but do take note of the first line recovery method if first attempt goes wrong another go is possible if unit remains powered.

We will do some more testing and work on the controller this week and there may be further updates.

Whatever revision 1.2+ we reach in the next few days will remain available to support 3rd party bitstream providers longterm but is then likely to be frozen when our own original bitstream becomes available. At this point the controller get a major update to Rev 2.0 signifying the major changes in functionality and all development will be on this branch.
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I have no clue if this may or may not be usefull for you Eldentyrell, but taking a look in hopes of getting some actual RoI on my investment in these boards would be greatly appreciated.
880  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Quad XC6SLX150 Board - Initial Price £400/$640/520€ on: July 09, 2012, 07:04:29 PM

Ok, now I'm even more confused, that's exactly where I got the info from. The problem with the loader PDF document in that zip is it doesn't show you what SW  2, 3, 4, and 5 are supposed to be set to, so I assumed they should all be off. Maybe that's why I never got the last one working.

Can you look at that document and make give me the exact switch settings for the controller update? Id like to try one more time on the broken board. I'm going to drop it off for shipment back to you guys tomorrow as well.

Also I'm using Linux currently and the new board you sent seems to be working great with the FTDI drivers and Cgminer 2.4.3 without any modifications.

Thanks,

Doff

I programmed mine using the dipswich setting for twin_test stream operating mode, with the exception of turning the dipswiches in the picture, like they are in the picture. Everything appeared to go well, the programming finished without errors and the board is no worse than it was before.
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