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881  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] ⚡ Electroneum ⚡ Token Sale Sept 14th Mobile Mining Crypto Coin on: October 08, 2017, 06:14:18 AM



So this is going to be a slightly long post. I will explain the reasons why I have went all in on Electroneum, and why I see this as the ultimate crypto currency to invest in for the long run. I have read alot of misinformation, alot of misconceptions and misunderstanding about this project, so I have decided to tackle all of that and explain why I believe this crypto will be in the top 50 cryptos in the 6-12 months.





Great reward comes with great risk, lets ride this together!


For god sake, make smaller posts Grin ......
I have dove some modifications to give you my personal answer

You wrote about half page , and you only talked about marketing. Marketing is nothing, the product should be the holding column of it's value. Marketing is letting people know abou it. But if they know ,and don't like it, even billions in marketing will not save you .

The problem that Electroneum(and all the crypto world) HAVE TO solve
First problem is that people don't even know cryptos
Another problem is that people have difficulty in understanding cryptos, and also the process is difficult and long for a normal person...
And that's true. Moreover there is not very good info in native language...All the sites are in english , and lot's of people that i know don't know english(and this is the first barrier that i have seen).
Also the  volatility scares the hell out of the people....I buy 1BTC today at 4000, and tomorrow is 3500....
When you have 5$ in your pocket and you lose them you get mad. Imagine 500$(and you have to wait or sell low)...
This is why people don't want to use it.........they can trade it, hold it, but it's not for daily use.......Absolutely not..
I will stop here , or i will go longer than you  Grin

Can electroneum actually solve this problem?
Absolutely not. Electroneum is not even close to solve this problem from what i have read, and informed.
The only thing Electroneum will do, is putting some coins in every smartphone, so people get used to crypto(GET USED, NOT USE).
THAT'S ALL.   So people will try to send and recieve, and talk about that. Nothing more.
Why it's not solving it? Well people still have to BUY electroneum if they want to use it...AND TO BUY ELECTRONEUM they are forced to go to the same process like buying Bitcoins. You have to put fiat. So you have to go to Coinbase and so on, and so on ...
So the buying problem is not solved...
Probably they will get 10$ a month for mining on cell. in westen countries is nothing.
In poor countries? Well as someone said: if 10$ are high, how the hell do they have a cell with internet connection(that you have to pay).
So the mining impact in personal economy is very small. Electroneum will ofer you about 2-3 cups of coffiee . Which is not bad for doing nothing(however you still have to pay internet, for getting those coffies Wink )

The power of viral adoption
The worst that can happen to a long period project.
Pokemon was great for a couple of months, now people talk about it as history..All people that i know have unistalled it, or don't even open it.
We want electroneum to be used and continue for years

Price forecast
Only God  knows it.

Conclusions
Electroneum is just a way to introduce crypto to the masses, to the people. That's all at the moment
I personally have invested in this project, and i think is a great project
But it's not the next Bitcoin(as his CEO said,very fairly, i appreciated that),  and AT THE ACTUAL STAGE it will not solve problems that the crypto world is trying to solve for years without success. The problem will be solved when i can use crypto easily like fiat. Not gonna happen for at least 5-10 years or even more in my opinon.




I love to see others putting a lot of thought into this. Great post.

In this case, they are actually getting a crypto in their possession first, and then they are left with options, and its usually the opposite.

For some that will be it. It wont be enough to really grab their attention once they do the math. Some.

I also believe that many will see that they are getting real coins, and then see how one of their old phones stuffed in the back of a kitchen drawer stack up compared to just using the one cell phone.

Some will take it a step farther, and use the point and click GUI miner on their home computer and start taking things to the next level.

Some will see the reaction of their circle of friends, and will come to the conclusion that this is going to be the next big thing, and then follow the steps to get some Bitcoin so they can invest and be an early adopter as well.


The Main DIFFERENCE is that they have already downloaded the app, they are already mining some coin. Although its a small amount THEY ALREADY HAVE ELECTRONEUM.

Its a big difference because they are already in the sales funnel.

@maxicripto

I quoted your post because some of it we share the same opinions, and some we dont. But that is FINE. We both are supporters of ETN, investors of the coin, and expect to see it have great success.

Your observations about the logistics of some people being able to mine are realistic, although I believe most will find a way.

I agree on the marketing points in the sense that, if you have a bad product, or a bad message, sometimes marketing can only help so much.

We have seen great ideas that no one ever heard about, and weve seen projects that have legs, but send an ineffective message.

In other industries we see sub-par products, with top notch marketing, destroy their competition even though their product actually has less VALUE than their competition.

What makes me so excited is this IS a first, with the mobile mining experience. You get REAL crypto coins using your cellphone. It measures what available power the phone would have to mine, then takes that number and uses it allocate how many coins your phone gets. Yes, the mobile mining is centralized, but the regular miners on their home computers is decentralized.

The moblie mining experience is ABSOLUTELY GENIUS!!!

It can be mining in the background, or you can play the mining game and get bonus coins.

All this is such a big DIFFERENCE from just telling someone that its going to be the best new thing since sliced bread.

Imagine if GO was able to make the game better as more people started playing it, because thats what will happen with ETN.

In LONG TERM projections, it is realistic to estimate that Electroneum can end up with more users than Bitcoin, BUT at the same time it also may have only have a quarter of its marketcap or even 10% is possible. In this Long Term estimate I think it also important to note that Bitcoin, IMO, will continue to see dramatic growth. It seems Bitcoin only does BETTER as smaller projects show shockingly high ROI from the crowdsales (but thats with the large majority of new projects failing in the ROI category. Also, Ethereum sees some of this effect as well.

For so long, so many thought it would be Bitcoin or another coin would take its place. What a lot of people didnt expect is to see these "smaller" projects, years down the road to blow past what Bitcoins marketcap was when they launched, only to see Bitcoins marketcap only contine to GAIN overall dominance when comparing Bitcoin to all other cryptos combined. Coinmarketcap.com

Nevertheless, ETN passing Bitcoin just in number of users, is realistic IMO, and will get ETN ton of press in MAINSTREAM NEWS when that happens.

So people like us, who understand marketcap and what the difference is, can do the math. So they dont hear us screaming MOON/$100 per coin/ lambo!!!-confirmed!!! LOL

But we do have REAL WORLD MARKETERS, whos international clients are household names in their "day job", and they have the know-how and experience to get a clear and effective message that will move them into the sales funnel.

Im thinking 2 to 3 years for crypto in general to take off, instead of 5 to 10, but who am I to say, this is just my opinion of the market in general, and I could be as wrong.

I just think crypto is at turning point right now, over the the next 2 to 3 years and possibly even sooner, there will be a world wide awakening!!  I see it starting already. I guess we will see.

Its great to see you @MaxiCripto and all the others with meaningful posts. @CryptoMido as well. Lets keep our referral code in just the signature, as this exact review you should post on all othe social linked on my next post. You will see great referrals, and join the telegram group and dont post your code their either, but you can get tips from the almost 3,000 members there talking nothing but ETN 24/7. Because of the 3,000 members there is never a time where there is any kind pause not matter the day, or time of day. https://t.me/joinchat/DxoSakHOdk5mqsE-LelfVg

I think you will be successful in getting many referrals, because your post got a postitive reaction. There are people with goals of 50k ETN 100K ETN in referral bonus coins. There are people with HUNDREDS of referrals. You dont have to be #1 to still have fun promoting ETN and get rewarded for doing so.
882  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] ⚡ Electroneum ⚡ Token Sale Sept 14th Mobile Mining Crypto Coin on: October 07, 2017, 10:38:46 PM
Electroneum Stats compliled by Bill on ETNs Telegram over the last few days

https://boumanb.nl/electroneum/stats.php


Exciting stuff!!
883  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] ⚡ Electroneum ⚡ Token Sale Sept 14th Mobile Mining Crypto Coin on: October 07, 2017, 09:15:15 PM
It seems the sale is slowing down

Yes, there is an ebb and flow.

The token sale always reaches a fever pitch as time in each bonus level runs out.

Now, we are still moving but we will see it pick up much more in 3 days when there is a day left for the 20% bonus.

884  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] ⚡ Electroneum ⚡ Token Sale Sept 14th Mobile Mining Crypto Coin on: October 07, 2017, 08:47:01 PM
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It is just hard to believe that their app will have the strength to support all the thousands of users all at once through the floodgate. Or are their users right now using the app? Did they already launch it?


Valid concerns, as they will have 75,000+ people firing up the app when Nov 1st hits. Not too many teams are as experienced and have launched big promotions, apps, and platforms. Richard Ells has that experience.

No one can see the future. All we can do is get behind what seems to be the best horse.

Certianly I am not going to listen to my friend that said,
"Dont live because you might die"

This isnt gambling, its investing. But you can lose on investments as well. Do your research and get behind the project you feel confident, and never invest more than you can afford to lose.

As you can see after my research and experience I am VERY BIG on Electroneum.

Im not telling anyone to buy it, but I am telling if you dont research this investment, you are crazy!! Wink
885  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] ⚡ Electroneum ⚡ Token Sale Sept 14th Mobile Mining Crypto Coin on: October 07, 2017, 08:37:01 PM
Another Brand New Interview
with Dev Richard Ells



https://youtu.be/cIHKaZ-CpiM
886  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] ⚡ Electroneum ⚡ Token Sale Sept 14th Mobile Mining Crypto Coin on: October 07, 2017, 05:56:50 PM
The only thing that bothers me about Electroneum is the fact that mining feature inside the app cannot be tested by public. I have doubts about effectiveness of mobile-CPU-mining and how battery consuming is it?
You are promising 30 USD per month worth of Electroneum tokens. I have doubts that a mobile phone can mine 100 tokens ($1) per day. Maybe if you run the miner 24 hours but I don't think the battery can handle this.
Other than that, marketing, website and team of this project are fantastic.


Great post

There IS public beta testing

http://electroneumtalk.proboards.com/thread/19/beta-test-request

$30 is high, yes. It will be lower, but will still spread like wildfire!

Electroneum has a plan to be the crypto with the most users.

The plan is completely rational to me, and I have very stong trust in the leadership.

You google the leader Dev Richard Ells. Find out who he is and what hes about. Look at what he has accompolished, and the plan he has.

Watch the last interview. Watch them all. Research.

ETN stacks up very well when you look at what projects are already here, and the different ones coming.

This is what I see, but no one can predict the future.

Others I hear, being concerned that ETN might have TOO MANY miners, and get too popular, are doing your math backwards.

887  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] ⚡ Electroneum ⚡ Token Sale Sept 14th Mobile Mining Crypto Coin on: October 07, 2017, 05:44:12 PM
Updates

Another Brand New Interview
with Dev Richard Ells



https://youtu.be/cIHKaZ-CpiM



Brand new!!


https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=lUvUHJHc0_s


INTERVIEW WITH
ELECTRONEUM DEV RICHARD ELLS










Electroneum Dev Richard Ells at RocketSpace Sept. 27 2017



Fresh update from Richard this morning on Telegram:





Quoted for showing the image.





Electroneum in the news


http://financemagnates.com/thought-leadership/industry-poised-welcome-newest-cryptocurrency-electroneum/

https://icobench.com/ico/electroneum

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/introducing-electroneum-first-british-cryptocurrency-091551966.html

http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/3487687?noredir=1


Youtube interview with Dev Richard Ells
https://youtu.be/qq24jCuHi7k



Android App Download
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.electroneum.app



Support Desk
https://electroneum.zendesk.com/hc/en-us



Electroneum Forum and FAQ
http://electroneumtalk.proboards.com/thread/8/electroneum-faq



New Electroneum Bounty Thread
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2153250



Reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/Electroneum/



Twitter
https://mobile.twitter.com/electroneum?lang=en



Facebook
https://m.facebook.com/electroneum/



Github
https://github.com/electroneum



Overview White Paper
http://electroneum.com/overview-white-paper.pdf



Technical White Paper
http://electroneum.com/technical-white-paper.pdf



Bounty Details
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2153250



Telegram Invite Link
https://t.me/joinchat/DxoSakHOdk5mqsE-LelfVg





Videos

Thanks to Blackwidow, I borrowed your collection!! Visit his video thread:


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2201453.msg22144335#msg22144335



https://youtu.be/tibM2AQXUUk
Quick intro video



https://youtu.be/qq24jCuHi7k
Interview with the Dev Richard Ells [google hiM]



https://youtu.be/JZ8UfHG5vVw
Here is another video with a 30 MINUTE DETAILED INTERVIEW WITH THE DEV CEO RICHARD ELLS
This explains how the mobile mining works WITHOUT USING THE CELL PHONES RESOURCES TO POWER THE BLOCKCHAIN AND MINE REAL CRYPTO COINS!!!



https://youtu.be/xiqvO2PFew8
Another video, creator was at first confused as to when the crowdsale ends, but corrected it as going until Nov 1st. Great video!



https://youtu.be/G4yaD2K-NFE
Another great video on ETN



https://youtu.be/q3AxxltwUSQ
Example of actually buying ETN in video



https://youtu.be/390SGZz0p6c
Another video example of purchasing ETN
and projection of 100x in 1 year



https://youtu.be/W7nJkohVvzI
Projections of ETN rising 100x in 1 year



INVEST NOW

After the videos, you can learn more at Electroneum.com

Join the token sale now at:

https://my.electroneum.com/register/


888  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] ⚡ Electroneum ⚡ Token Sale Sept 14th Mobile Mining Crypto Coin on: October 07, 2017, 02:24:41 AM
My account says I have 4 referrals but only shows one bonus. Is this a cumulative total or has only 1 invested?


From the sound of your description, you have 4 registered and 1 that actually invested.
889  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] ⚡ Electroneum ⚡ Token Sale Sept 14th Mobile Mining Crypto Coin on: October 07, 2017, 01:44:08 AM
We know, smartphone user is very much. Do you have a plan to keep the stability of coin prices?

Stability should come with time.

But look at Bitcoin still? Cant control the markets.
890  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] ⚡ Electroneum ⚡ Token Sale Sept 14th Mobile Mining Crypto Coin on: October 07, 2017, 01:43:00 AM
I have read different posts about "is the phore really mining or not" and other stuff... and so on , and so on


But i have a question that i didn't see asking or answering(maybe its answed but i didn't see in the forum)

Does the number of coins that you have in your phone wallet(or desktop wallet) affects the reward you get?
In other words, when you have more coins, you get more coins from mining? (like Proof of Stake)
So does the number of coins you have count?
Thanx for your time


Good question.

No it does not.

You can mine with a zero balance at first.

Electroneum is POW, not POS

Thanks
Ok , thanx,
One good thing of this , is avoiding whales to get all the rewards..
Seems somehow fair  for all the investors, even for the small ones


Definately the best deal "the little guy" has seen in a minute
891  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] ⚡ Electroneum ⚡ Token Sale Sept 14th Mobile Mining Crypto Coin on: October 07, 2017, 01:06:04 AM
I have read different posts about "is the phore really mining or not" and other stuff... and so on , and so on


But i have a question that i didn't see asking or answering(maybe its answed but i didn't see in the forum)

Does the number of coins that you have in your phone wallet(or desktop wallet) affects the reward you get?
In other words, when you have more coins, you get more coins from mining? (like Proof of Stake)
So does the number of coins you have count?
Thanx for your time


Good question.

No it does not.

You can mine with a zero balance at first.

Electroneum is POW, not POS

Thanks
892  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] ⚡ Electroneum ⚡ Token Sale Sept 14th Mobile Mining Crypto Coin on: October 07, 2017, 01:01:52 AM
Guys - I have a serious concern about electroneum and I hope someone will answer this.

I like the idea of marketing through an app and making it viral to bring it to the masses - I don't know how likely it'll be successful and wish the app would have been available to investors to try out because that seems to be electroneum's USP.

The reason I haven't invested in this is -

(1) I haven't seen the app

(2) If the idea is to make this viral a lot of people are going to get cheap/almost free coins and there's going to be a huge dump in the market bringing the value of investors in the ICO down.

(3) Most of the initial budget seems to be geared towards app marketing and development - hardly anything for customer acquisition (I mean 'use case' customers, not app customers) - which will give electroneum ultimately its value

If this is marketed virally and people start to dump people will start to lose faith in it. I hope I'm mistaken and there is an immediate use case solution to drive up the value which will in it's own way encourage viral marketing further since it will drive up value of the coin.

Also, is there any difference between the coin itself seems to be very similar to aeon.cash, I would be interested in knowing the differences. Aeon also markets itself as a mobile friendly cryptocurrency and it is also based on the Cryptonote algorithm.


1. The app is available

2. If millions of users seem like a dis-advantage to you, maybe you are looking at it through a short term lense? This is a serious long term project.

3. Well, #3 is simply incorrect in its assumptions. I dont follow the logic to even explain where you went wrong there.

 Lets not shill other coins


Deep breaths Blackwidow Shocked
Please
893  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] ⚡ Electroneum ⚡ Token Sale Sept 14th Mobile Mining Crypto Coin on: October 07, 2017, 12:44:28 AM
I did not understand how to use phones for mining. How powerful will be for phones when they are so powerful, super computers are used in mining. Do you think the possibility of breaking the phones?


Please read the whitepaper, and the multiple times this has been addressed upthread.

It puts as much stress on your phone as visiting a wikipedia page, and mines REAL Electroneum coins.


894  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] ⚡ Electroneum ⚡ Token Sale Sept 14th Mobile Mining Crypto Coin on: October 07, 2017, 12:42:25 AM
Guys - I have a serious concern about electroneum and I hope someone will answer this.

I like the idea of marketing through an app and making it viral to bring it to the masses - I don't know how likely it'll be successful and wish the app would have been available to investors to try out because that seems to be electroneum's USP.

The reason I haven't invested in this is -

(1) I haven't seen the app

(2) If the idea is to make this viral a lot of people are going to get cheap/almost free coins and there's going to be a huge dump in the market bringing the value of investors in the ICO down.

(3) Most of the initial budget seems to be geared towards app marketing and development - hardly anything for customer acquisition (I mean 'use case' customers, not app customers) - which will give electroneum ultimately its value

If this is marketed virally and people start to dump people will start to lose faith in it. I hope I'm mistaken and there is an immediate use case solution to drive up the value which will in it's own way encourage viral marketing further since it will drive up value of the coin.

Also, is there any difference between the coin itself seems to be very similar to aeon.cash, I would be interested in knowing the differences. Aeon also markets itself as a mobile friendly cryptocurrency and it is also based on the Cryptonote algorithm.

Electroneum can't be sold for 12 months is what I read. But you can mine and buy in November. there was a video of electroneum stating this too.

The information in the above quote is incorrect


Not sold for 12 months? Why would you come here and spread this misinformation?

ETN is can be bought and sold at will when launch comes Nov 1st.

895  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] ⚡ Electroneum ⚡ Token Sale Sept 14th Mobile Mining Crypto Coin on: October 07, 2017, 12:38:18 AM
Any news on getting this on bittrex for launch? Or any news on getting it on there at all? Would really help if they could get that confirmed before ico finishes Smiley


Watch the last video. Dev Richard Ells just said Bittrex in the interview. Day of launch? Not sure. He said Nov previously
896  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] ⚡ Electroneum ⚡ Token Sale Sept 14th Mobile Mining Crypto Coin on: October 06, 2017, 11:45:41 PM
sry if that got ask already. Just want to get it finally really clear and right for me. When does all the app mining thing starts, all in the week after the 1.11? Does Android and iOS mining start at the same day? Does the desktop mining start later or before? Thanks for clearing up! 


Everything starts on the same day Nov 1st

The only thing that will take a min is the iOS App, but that wont be far behind.

iOS app is finished, just the last step of Apple approval process is showing we have real volume on an exchange.
897  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] ⚡ Electroneum ⚡ Token Sale Sept 14th Mobile Mining Crypto Coin on: October 06, 2017, 07:27:04 PM


https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=lUvUHJHc0_s


Brand new!!

INTERVIEW WITH
ELECTRONEUM DEV RICHARD ELLS
898  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] ⚡ Electroneum ⚡ Token Sale Sept 14th Mobile Mining Crypto Coin on: October 06, 2017, 05:26:06 PM

Electroneum is surely one of the best new projects out there.

I do like the sim/mining with cellphones.  BUT there lies a caveat!
I hope the simulated mining algorithm is unabusable. This will probably be hacked a few times before it will work probably??
You know write a code that purports monsterperformance on ones cellphone, ey!?

I am sure they will set a max limit based on what the best phone out there can do, or a little above that to stop this. Would be silly not to. At most someone might be able to fake their cheap phone to mine like a Galaxy Note 8 or something.


There are many safeguards in place
899  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Whoa! Do you think Electroneum centralized mobile miner a step too far? on: October 06, 2017, 02:42:39 PM
The project is extremely promising and very realistic with their goals, adoption by the layman is a big hurdle in the crypto space right now. If you can introduce a mobile miner and have total novices "mine" on their mobile and earn free money in the process, why the hell not? It'll attract all kinds of newbies


True, its getting pretty exciting!!
900  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: ELECTRONEUM SPECULATION THREAD on: October 06, 2017, 02:17:01 PM
I just don't get the idea of "mobile mined" blockchain. Nothing can prevent anyone from developing a GPU miner for it, where one GPU will beat army of 50 - 100 phone-mining losers Cheesy

Even worse. The dev wrote somewhere that the mobile mining is just some kind of fake. Every holder of Electroneum which uses the mobile wallet will receive some coins over time automatically. So the app should not use much battery power or CPU of the mobile devices. This is just some kind of marketing to increase the number of users of the mobile app.
The real mining (support of the blockchain) will still be done by miners who use their PCs.
But it could work. If the greed for more free coins drives the masses to use the app, all hodlers could profit long term once milliones of users download and use the mobile app.

Can you please provide source where dev mentioned it??

He is right. Mobile mining is "fake", the app will benchmark the phone and reward "somewhat" in relation with the device power but it's not real mining. They do it to get more buzz around the coin, making mining "accessible" on mobile can attract a freaking lot of people to ETN.

Real mining will be done with computer using cryptonight algo. ( same as monero )


The mobile phones are getting real ETN coins based on their power.

You are right it will attract a ton of people to ETN.
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