I am not trying to excuse any of this behavior, but I am simply trying to relate my experience from direct interaction with people from the middle east that I have had in various venues. They see women as for marrying and having kids only, and boys as sex objects. Many of these perpetrators were raped themselves as children, and they see it as a right of passage. They were used as a child and therefore they feel as if they have the same right to use boys this way. BTW you probably aren't going to find many Arabs here willing to comment on this topic because it brings a lot of shame to them and their culture, especially from the international community who finds such ideas to be vile and unacceptable. I have however had Arabs admit these things to me in private discussion. Perhaps maybe you should make an Arab friend first, then ask him?

[/quote]Unfortunately, the matter of "little boys and Arab culture" is true.  I don't think you mean "Arab culture," more like "middle eastern culture" perhaps.

RE bolded above, there is an actual historical case which occurred only about 20 miles from where I live.  An 11 year old and 8 year old brothers were walking to school, and for unrelated reasons were carrying four of their Dad's rifles.  They were set on by a band of six Indians.  The 8 year old proceeded to load, and the 11 year old fired.  These were single shot muskets, and at the end of this skirmish there were four dead Indians, one seriously wounded, and one that fled.  The two boys proceeded to their school house.  There is no record of their being marked as tardy.

A Calvary officer arrived some weeks later, and wrote the incident up and recorded it.  Pre Civil War era, which would mean 1845+.

Maybe we are headed back to those times?  Does not bother me.  This incident is interesting because it shows perhaps how we train children to be "children."  
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Yes maybe my terminology was not correct, but it is difficult to be precise when the region has been in constant conflict for thousands of years and has so much displacement. As far as training children to be children, I agree completely. Observe the difference between parents that treat their children as developing adults as opposed to the ones who coddle their children constantly doing things for them they could do themselves, and observe the developmental differences. This coddling creates dependence that later develops into dependence on the government. Unfortunately the soviet based "educational" model currently deployed in the USA and elsewhere is not that. the soviet model also seeks to create a system of dependence on the government.  

It is quite astounding what children are capable of if given the correct developmental environment. Not that it is the correct developmental environment, but I wonder if an armed child soldier in the Congo would have been so easily raped? I guess it is largely a matter of developmental acceleration for better or worse. History (and modern reality) shows us children can be just as capable as many so called adults.
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RE the "constant conflict for thousands of years," that's not the central issue.  Behind that is "tribal thinking," and all they are trying to do now is export their stupid shit.

One movie that comes to mind which illustrates the capability of children is  -

King of the Hill by Sodenburg

Also, La Misma Luna ("Under the Same Moon")

Unfortunately, the matter of "little boys and Arab culture" is true.  I don't think you mean "Arab culture," more like "middle eastern culture" perhaps.

RE bolded above, there is an actual historical case which occurred only about 20 miles from where I live.  An 11 year old and 8 year old brothers were walking to school, and for unrelated reasons were carrying four of their Dad's rifles.  They were set on by a band of six Indians.  The 8 year old proceeded to load, and the 11 year old fired.  These were single shot muskets, and at the end of this skirmish there were four dead Indians, one seriously wounded, and one that fled.  The two boys proceeded to their school house.  There is no record of their being marked as tardy.

A Calvary officer arrived some weeks later, and wrote the incident up and recorded it.  Pre Civil War era, which would mean 1845+.

Maybe we are headed back to those times?  Does not bother me.  This incident is interesting because it shows perhaps how we train children to be "children." 

I think you may be referring to one of our Traditional, Standard Psychopaths.

Not these new crazed ones.

I'm curious, do we even have names for these subgroups of religio-cultural phenomena?

Side note:  All discussion about "For centuries, Muslim lived .... blah blah blah" has no relation to "violent Jihad Islam."

That had it's start with Sayyid Qutb, with his Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt in the 1950s, and with his disciple, bin Laden.

LOL...

I missed your subtle humor in prior posts...

Well, at least in part, these questions can be tested.

Political party XYZ let in a large number of (refugees, immigrants, blah blah blah).  Did they let in groups which by way of their inclination, would vote for the party who let them in?

That's the larger part of the answer.  Strict self-interest, hiding of course under a robe of pure altruism.

We agree on most of the above, not the bolded section.  That kind of idea, if put into effect becomes a political tool used to get rid of real or perceived enemies.   

I have a simple question.

If you live where media and politicians are trying to cover up the bad aspects of the immigrants, why would you believe they would get harsh (but just) sentences in the courts?

Seems to make no sense, frankly.

Maybe maybe not.  Maybe she was subtly influenced, overtly bribed, blackmailed or otherwise influenced by Saudi or middle eastern influences.

Good question.  Sorry I was not clear.

CO2 absorbs certain specific spectra due to it's dipole movements and vibrations, etc.

That is one of a great many things that absorb, emit and so forth.  The net of all of these is outgoing radiation from the planet.  The essential question of "global warming" is whether net outgoing is decreasing relative to net incoming energy, by how much, and whether man is affecting that balance.

Satellite temperature measurements of the upper atmosphere obviously closely measure these issues.  Ground based temperatures measure such things loosely, if at all...

This is why I mentioned that if one wishes to consider/argue the effect of man on "global warming," he MUST use satellite measurements.  It then happens that satellite measurements show no warming in 20 years (maybe it's still 19, I don't recall).  This indicates that net radiative planetary energy balance is unchanged for 19-20 years.  And what does THAT imply?

For one thing it defeats the "central CO2 hypothesis," which teaches that the climate has a high sensitivity to CO2.  Increase CO2, and temperatures increase. 

It's wrong to look for simple explanations, though.

Bah.

http://www.guns.com/2014/01/15/uk-criminals-using-antique-homemade-guns/

I most certainly am saying Islam is worse that Christianity.  I am most certainly saying "look at the actual numbers," and make judgements from them.  The actual numbers show a huge problem with violence in Muslim sects, and hardly any such problem with Christian sects.  You wind up agreeing with me - bolded section.

I think this is a very fair way to look at the matter.  I understand the arguments about one old book being just as encouraging of violence as the other, and the arguments about Christians doing this and that in ancient times.  But we are dealing with problems of TODAY, and to understand them we need to look at how things are today.  So go look at the behavior of Muslims, and the behavior of Christians, TODAY.  Then determine whatever and whereever the facts lead you.  Also understand you are looking not just at "religions," but at cultural and social environments underlaying those religions.

No.  Any city, there are some areas you feel safe and some you don't walk through certain hours of the night.  Crazy motherfuckers are NOT EVERYWHERE.

Ah, here comes the Argument of Moral Equivalence again.  Christians are bad, Muslims are bad, all religions are bad, yada yada yada.

Try this on for size.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/isis-selling-shrunken-heads-decapitated-7319854

And our Jihad Report.

Attacks    140
Killed    1639
Injured    1670
Suicide Blasts    36

That's THE LAST 30 DAYS!!!

Yes, State of Fear should be required reading.

It looks like Cass Sanction is not available on Amazon in the US.

If this (bolded) is the "real problem," then the real problem is that Warmers do not understand science, or how scientific facts are determined.  They do not understand statistical significance, or variance, or correlation.

And if that's the case, then you are being educated. 

if you are being educated, STFU and start learning.

Jail would enable him to stay in the country....

The extent of the mythology and warping of scientific facts on the subject of global warming cannot ever cease to amaze.

You have three errors in your lecturing. We take them one by one.

No, the surface temperature is not primarily due to the temperatures at the Earth's core.  Study the "radiation budget", here is a link.  This is very well established science.

Here is the answer from a prime "warmer resource,"

http://www.skepticalscience.com/heatflow.html

Common sense might suggest that all that heat must have a big effect on climate. But the science says no: the amount of heat energy coming out of the Earth is actually very small and the rate of flow of that heat is very steady over long time periods. The effect on the climate is in fact too small to be worth considering.

Here is a brief discussion of the energy budget.

http://missionscience.nasa.gov/ems/13_radiationbudget.html

Next, interglacials caused by ocean currents?  No, they are not.  It is well established that they are the product of periodic variation in the Earth's orbit.

The interglacials and glacials coincide with cyclic changes in the Earth's orbit. Three orbital variations contribute to interglacials. The first is a change in the Earth's orbit around the sun, or eccentricity. The second is a shift in the tilt of the Earth's axis, the obliquity. The third is precession, or wobbling motion of Earth's axis.[1] Warm summers in the northern hemisphere occur when that hemisphere is tilted toward the sun and the Earth is nearest the sun in its elliptical orbit. Cool summers occur when the Earth is farthest from the sun during that season. These effects are more pronounced when the eccentricity of the orbit is large. When the obliquity is large, seasonal changes are more extreme.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interglacial

Finally, you have a rather interesting statement.

... making it hotter will change salinity which will change ocean currents which will influence the beginning of the Ice Age.

No scientific findings support the certainty in your statement (bolded.)  They cannot, because this is outright speculation.  Here is the statement corrected to a reasonable level.

... IF CO2 produced by man makes the Earth hotter this MIGHT CHANGE salinity which MIGHT AFFECT ocean currents which MIGHT influence the beginning of the Ice Age.

That's obvious speculation, why not just state it as such?  Obviously it isn't factual or supported by scientific findings.  It's totally reasonable to discuss as speculation, but it's unacceptable to consider or promote as fact.

The only result of this would be Government looking the other way when their preferred people were hiring illegals.  For example, using and gaming the system for political purposes.  But there is a more basic reason it won't work.

What you propose is to legislate "black markets" out of existence.  In the entire history of man, that has never worked.  It has not even worked when the penalty was beheading for those caught.