You were paid in full for work you promised to do, yet you did not complete the work you promised to do. If you really want I'll unlock the scam thread against you and you can go post there. Are you interested in reopening it?

Common sense would indicate you should release the files to me. You have not. Third point - I don't care. I'm not pursuing a scammer tag against you for this, although I probably have a right to.


I have repaid all of the CPA liquidity loans save one, which is being handled privately possibly by the sale of some of my personal possessions (A gibson guitar). As promised I will step up and fill in for those loans with my personal money. As it stands the loans were essentially a gift to CPA investors and I can prove that.

Secondly I am paying back all the investors by liquidating assets as expected and will vigorously pursue all our claims.

Finally I am in talks with people over a 350btc settlement package. Here's a quote from one of our largest shareholders whom I approached to discuss this settlement (the wording and amounts) before I went public with it: "Sometimes I guess  you have to do something that's not fair to keep your reputation."

I am not saying what I am doing is fair or not fair. I am saying it is what it is and I will do the right thing no matter what. Thank you for your comment TradeFortress.

I believe it is quoted on the forums but I do not have time to look it up as well as look up answers to all the other questions. I'll collect evidence as I can. I have companies to wind down. I'm sorry if you don't like that but it's the best I can do. I have to go to work now, so I really don't have time. I would have preferred to spend the morning winding down my companies. So you will have to wait.

I get what you are saying but as I have said I would have stepped in personally no, CPA would not release it's title under the contract. I just wouldn't allow it to happen.


Then don't get silly and just take the chance to move on. You said:


I agree. Let me the time alone to make reparations to my shareholders, for example here, and in the soon-to-be announced settlement offer. Additionally please stop clamoring for a scammer tag in such a noisy fashion at least until I have paid investors back and reached a settlement.

I've called Ian and apologized and that end of things is over.
I've apologized to vampire and he has agreed that end of things is over.
Some but not all of the things puppet said to me he has retracted, such as misvaluing hardware.
It's been shown I was not guilty of misrepresenting how I valued assets in one case.

At this point it's my personal belief you are just harming the process. Let me be to resolve my issues with my shareholders and then if you want you can be as vocal as you want about getting me a scammer tag. Please see this post. I have a lot of work to do without having to defend myself here, as you've said, some but possibly not all of the accusations are frivolous. If you have evidence give it to BCB. Does that idea seem like it will be a good way of resolving this?

"The NYAN post"
Last Update Jan 9 2013

BMF 1026 shares
-- will be calculated and distributed as dividend as payments are made on BTC-TC.
Jan 6 2013 - putting NYAN spreadsheets together today in order to track dividend payments

TEEK.A 196 shares
-- we will try to trade for value with teek's holdings of our company
Jan 9 2013 - update/note: Teek did say he would try to establish a NAV for his shares about a week ago, but we haven't heard back from him yet.

MU 150 shares
-- will contact issuer soon

MINING 121 shares
-- will contact issuer soon

TYGRR.BOND-A 200 shares
We will try to contact goat and see what his plans are, looks like he cut and ran tho.

M.ETF 80 shares
-- will contact issuer soon

BDK.BND 100 shares
-- We have confirmed payment address. will update soon.
Jan 7 2013 - Will be listed on Bitfunder. "BitFunder will provide the ability for you all to trade BDK.BND units as you please."

BIF.1YR.LOAN 220 shares
-- will contact issuer soon

FPGA.ICORE.DEV 100
-- will contact issuer soon

BIT.INC 438 shares
-- will contact issuer soon

BITCOINRS 2000 shares
-- He has listed on BTC-TC and we will contact issuer soon
-- It does not appear likely he will honor our claim.

BIB.BVPS 33,848 shares
-- Will try to contact brendio soon.
-- Mircea will almost certainly refuse to help us recover shares manually.
Jan 9 2013 - Brendio has e-mailed us at the claim address and is working to allow us to retain our shares.

BITCOINTORRENTZ
-- will contact issuer soon

FUTUREFUND 296,225 shares
-- it was bought back already, for around 20 BTC IIRC. I will look up an exact number soon.

FZB.A 1,802 shares
-- I will attempt to establish contact and calculate value soon.

REBATE 500 shares
-- will provide an update soon
-- it now appears REBATE was a scam

ZIP.A 100 shares
-- will provide an update soon
-- it now appears ZIP.A was a scam

BIF-AG-INDEX 104 shares
-- will provide an update soon

BITCOINMINV 200 shares
-- will provide an update soon

OBSI.HRPT 8218 shares
-- will try to contact obsi soon and get a statement

BIF.P2P. LOANS 383 shares
-- will provide an update soon

V.HRL 160 shares
-- will provide an update soon
Jan 7 2013 - We have received an e-mail at the claims address and it seems Vendor will work to allow us to retain our shares.

TEEK.B 50 shares
-- will provide an update soon
-- will try to trade for value he held in our companies
Jan 9 2013 - update/note: Teek did say he would try to establish a NAV for his shares about a week ago, but we haven't heard back from him yet.

Matthew N. Wright 750 bitcoins
-- will obtain an official statement soon.
-- will probably try to sell the debt and make a final payment early than collecting it all.


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Collected/paid:

GSDPT 30,000 shares
-- ~22,000 recovered, will provide an update soon.
Jan 8 2013 - Sold around 0.0034 for ~75 BTC.

GMVT-BOT 200 shares
Jan 8 2013 - notice stating payment was received a few weeks ago at .1/share

DMC 10
Jan 9 2013 - We are in receipt of these shares on bitfunder.

No it would not release them from the obligation to pay. CPA would go through a wind down process and the worst is we could attempt to sell the debt. We're not talking about bankrupcy here. I'd just pay out the money and then keep CPA around to collect the payments. Worst case I'd pay for it myself and then collect the money myself. But other than that it would ruin CPA so I see the general point you are making.


So if I go back and make reparations BMF would be forced to continue paying money to CPA and no one wants to extend this forever. Under the contract I HAVE to accelerate it at this point no matter what.

BMF already got way more out of this than it ended up paying. What do you suggest I offer to BMF investors? Everyone who bought in because of this gained money from it already. I even donated the assumed mining output of my single to BMF before it arrived out of my own pocket. I gave 100 BTC to bmf investors and something like 200 personal shares. I was desperate to make BMF work and make shareholders happy. Now all I get are accusations that I caused them damage. Ok, whatever! I admit there was a conflict of interest but what am I expected to do? You are making these claims and not suggesting any way they can be repaired. That paints me into a corner and makes me feel the situation hopeless.

You already won, I gave up a long time ago, what is it precisely that you want? I will not get a scammer tag if I make a settlement with my shareholders, right? So why push for it? Why not do the right thing and work on fixing the damage you say I caused? Doesn't that make sense?

Thank you and for what it is worth I am sorry if I offended you and I am planning to make a large settlement with my shareholders.

NO, see below:


We couldn't pay it without destroying CPA, so I accelerated the contract.

If I hadn't done this people would have accused me of destroying CPA and extreme mismanagement. This was the only thing I could do.


That is not entirely true. I did in fact give at least one payment to BMF but I admit it was not as often as I would have liked to. I also returned on one occasion ~100 BTC worth (IIRC) of personal shares to BMF. Third via motion 80 I donated 100 BTC to BMF, and finally I did give CPA shares to BMF, although it does not represent a payment of 100 BTC it was the best CPA could do at the time. We were under a lot of problems because people we relied on couldn't pay us. Even GBF stated they were refusing withdrawls for almost a 2 week period. We were going to collapse unless I did something, so I accelerated the contract and took care of what else I could personally.

When pirate collapsed I foresaw these problems but not on the order of magnitude they occurred. I immediately contacted hashking, patrick harnett, deadterra and imsaguy. I negotiated partial payments from everyone, no one was willing to pay out. If I had not done that immediately it would have blown up and CPA and NYAN would have collapsed. I did in fact support BMF, just not as often as I would have liked to. It would have taken 2,500 BTC to move BMF from 0.5 to 1.0 with 5132 outstanding shares. The 500 BTC in the contract was only enough to move it from 0.45 to 0.55. I did the best I could. I'm sorry for what happened but really, it was totally out of my hands. The 500 BTC in the contract was a token amount to test how this would work. It was real but it was also a test. Maybe I was too optimistic and hopeful so I am sorry but I just tried to do what I felt was right.


I understand your contention but I did not intend to lie as I had thought to cancel (accelerate) the contract at that time. I also note I have no proof of this but I have e-mailed James begging for the CSV files and our holdings.

However since I understand your contention i am currently working on a settlement to shareholders.

Keep in mind, that I did in fact make at least one payment of 100 BTC value to BMF. Can you please be reasonable about this. There is evidence I tried to do the right thing. I've sent an e-mail to James requesting the CSV file as it is the only way to prove that I did so. I also donated CPA shares to BMF and gave BMF 100 btc of my own money in motion 80. I did this all in part because I was afraid it would destroy CPA if I just transferred money out of CPA into BMF en masse.

I really don't believe I defrauded BMF shareholders, and as you and others have said I am working now to resolve the issue with my shareholders. I've asked BCB to mediate a settlement and he has refused. So I'm doing it directly.

.... wat?

"It's probably in your best interest now to stop making wild accusations, and give the evidence you have to BCB." This isn't a threat.. for fuck sakes vampire cut it out. I qualified the statement on the very next line: "I will not have time or energy to respond to 5 different people anymore. Go through him... just a thought."

Will you please stop making wild accusations? Like I threatened you? Look I'm sorry if you thought that was a threat but it wasn't!

Second, no I did not dox him. I knew his name because he posted it in quite a few places on the internet with respect to his company and work in the community. We all use handles here -- that doesn't mean we're anonymous per se. Like how you say you know my real name. Fine, you know. That's fine. that's not doxxing. If you think that's doxxing, then what precisely do you mean when you say you will "doxx" me as everyone knows my name and where I live? Clearly your definition of "doxxing" changes when it moves from what I did to what you are threatening to do to me and my family.

I was just replying to this:

You see when I said puppet said he was wrong I also didn't mention hardware, but that is what I was referring to. I couldn't provide a link because I had deleted the post.

Finally... the quote is from a FAQ post at the top of the thread. You can check it yourself, I am pretty sure it's from the FAQ post #2. It shows the post creation time. Vampire........ I'm not lying to you. Puppet said: "writing question #2 I realized you are actually right about them The value should be counted as the price you would pay for them, shipping included; as this is what counts in buying your shares vs. buying the gear and mining directly."

First of all I did not threaten you. Secondly I did not dox anyone. Furthermore you asked for proof I did not lie when I said puppet admitted he was wrong about the hardware. Fine, here it is: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=133823.msg1431774#msg1431774

Now can you please leave me alone? Your two complaints have been proven in my favor. I didn't do anything to piss you off. Leave me alone.

Thanks to BCB for restoring this post.

It proves I did not lie when I said puppet admitted he was wrong and that I did not misrepresent value. This and many of the other postings BCB are undeleting will be used in my defense. Furthermore to this there were 2 value columns one using the "real" value puppet refers to below and also one column pulling data from GLBSE precisely so that people like puppet could make their own decision about how to value the company. I did not misrepresent value.



Furthermore my answer (unquoted, see original) regarding accrual basis accounting is not sperging nor is it opinion. It is a fact. Just like in the PMs I sent you. This was published on the forums in a letter to shareholders and only serves to show I did my best to be open and honest.

This is why I am so upset that you have passed judgement on me before examining the evidence and allowing me to make a response to the accusations.

But, for what it is worth, reading over what I wrote months ago I realize I was overly aggressive. If I could go back I would probably cut out a lot of the insulting and emotional language I used.

Yeah but if I stay close to him I am afraid people will accuse him of conspiracy with me or of being a sock puppet. This has happened in the past. The truth is I am very thankful to him and I need his help.


It was a mistake for him to threaten my family. That was stupid. I'm very upset at that. For what it is worth most of my family is dead and I don't contact any relatives in Canada. It is the principle which pisses me off. How dare he make a threat on my family?


Here is my answer: You're fired.

You have made judgements on me before presenting the evidence (see kongzi.ca/BCB/misrepresent1) and you refuse to allow me proper time to make a response (judgement passed before evidence has been examined). You have shown that you simply don't understand that you are being unfair.

I am going to work on a settlement directly with shareholders. My primary responsibility is to them, not you. Once I make ends with my shareholders, you will have no business here. I lost a lot of respect for you in this case. I'm going to ask you to please leave me alone now. You can do what you want. No, I do not accept your judgement and I dislike how you have inserted yourself in this pretending to be an arbiter and then jumping to unjust conclusions.

Lol, so you're threatening to harm an innocent third party because I won't tell you my name?

I didn't dox anyone. Augustocroppo did and at the point he posted that one of the last things I told him was, I didn't need his help.

This is exactly why I want to remain anonymous. People like Vampire are unstable and unpredictable. Augustocroppo, someone whom I have little to no relation doxes two people and I have to pay for it? This is why I get so pissed off. Vampire you're a real asshole. I thought you were going to stop posting and let me make reparations to shareholders? How long do you plan on bothering me when it's clear I've done what I was supposed to do?

It's possible that's what the plan is. But then why not give me a scammer tag now then, just to shut people up?

Tell you what, greyhawk. Since you think I am a scammer, can you put a number on the bitcoins you feel I scammed? Just saying maybe if you could put a number on it we could discuss who I had to pay off to end the massive crap which is being spewed at me. I'm considering something like 100 bitcoins paid to BMF investors, 100 to CPA, and 100 to NYAN.A/etc. it would take me a while to buy that many bitcoins, and maybe sell some of my personal possessions, but at this point that is more valuable to me than allowing you to lob accusations at me with no chance to defend myself or make repairs. Think about it.

I decided to take advantage of the opportunity Ian gave us to phone him, solely because there is a controversy over voting with G&M shares. I was a bit emotional. I wanted to tell him how upset I was, and talk about how he broke the CPA contract but I didn't. Instead I apologized to him. I guess I meant it.

You know, if Ian and I knew each other in real life, I guarantee we would not hate each other. I can feel that. I can hear his accent and it makes me think of where I grew up and some of my old friends. But the internet "is what it is".

I dunno if I was on Ian's list of shareholders or not. Maybe James made a mistake. Maybe we hit a sale order on the day it closed. I don't know.

I'm very close to closing this because while he did in fact break a contract and lie about me clawing back funds, I thought -- maybe this isn't so important any more.

Sometimes I hate the country I live in now and wish I was back in Canada. But I know my future is here now.

I can admit that. Maybe I'll try to make a change now.


Okay so my attitude sucks. Maybe I am even an idiot or some kind of loser. But a scammer?

Hmm.

If you are admitting you are pursuing a scammer tag against me because of my attitude, and ex.


...then you are admitting you have no evidence. Look, I'm sorry I called you a noob. But that does not make me a scammer. Right now I'm a little unsure of how I should proceed with this. BCB screwed this up very badly; I've asked some people I respect for some advice. I'll get back to you. Till then, what do you think of the settlement idea that has been discussed?

As for BCB.....

First, to augustocroppo, thank you. On many levels.


No, the latin he is quoting is not technically an opinion. You are showing a lack of education. This is something I know because I went to a very good school when I was growing up in rural Canada. The latin is referring to the principles of debate. For example, the sort of stuff you might find on http://www.johntreed.com/debate.html or http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Clear_Thinking/Informal_Fallacies/Tricks/tricks.html -- not an opinion.

This is the same principle of the founding of the U.S.A. as "...a nation of laws, not men."

It is not an opinion, for example, that when you accuse me of "sperging", that you are using emotional language, which is a dishonest debate tactic.

Emotional Language
(1) The use of emotionally toned words (pp 10-25)
Approach: Translate the statement into words emotionally neutral
[urlhttp://www.johntreed.com/debate.html]http://www.johntreed.com/debate.html[/url]

I am saying this to mean, I'm constantly suprised by people. I must not get out much. Augustocroppo is suprising me greatly as are you, constantly. I feel I owe him something for educating me on critical thinking, not just for showing me there's still decent human beings out there. See, I am old -- into middle age by now for sure -- and although I know a great deal it comes at the cost of forgetting some things temporarily. One of the things I have forgotten recently is how important debate skills are and how important critical thinking is.

You see, there is ad hominem, which is what you do when you say I am delusional, and then there is pointing out that you are being dishonest in your tactics. I have so far been unwilling to do this because I've been trying to be kind. But after months, and seeing how effective augutocroppo was in getting you to admit the charge of misrepresenting how I value assets was, I'm beginning to realize; K. and D. are right. I need to change my attitude.

Can't say I didn't learn something new. That is important in our lives, I believe, to be able to learn new things without restraint.


We have again and again asked usagai simple questions and he can not answer.

He spurges.
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See? There, is some ad hominem (another one of those latin terms!) and some emotional language. "The reason that many Latin phrases are used in the analysis of argument is because most of the work of determining how best to analyze arguments was done by medieval philosophers who wrote in Latin. The idea that the medieval period was some kind of "dark age" where nothing of intellectual value happened is just plain false. Latin phrases are not magical incantations, nor are they themselves influential in a debate. You could describe what is wrong with someone's argument in English, or you could use the Latin phrase as a kind of abbreviation. These latin phrases that still take part in our language are just used for brevity, e.g. it's easier to type 'e.g.', which stands for "exemplia gratia" and translates to "for a good example" than it is to type "for a good example". - http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090831212831AAw6X2N

I think what you are really trying to say is I provide a lot of information. Well I'm sorry if you have trouble reading it, but I am a native speaker from the country; we talk a lot and we like to express ourselves. I'm also a 20-year usenet veteran. Honestly, if you don't like it, may I suggest taking some English classes? I am not criticizing your English, I am suggesting you need to learn how native people express themselves. You know, get used to it a bit. Accusing me of sperging when it's obvious you are having issues with basic spelling and grammar, and therefore are likely not a native speaker, is a little weird. What, you want a TL; DR? Okay here it is: You have obvious problems with comprehension because your English really is that bad. I've been putting up with it for quite some time but it's actually become annoying how you jump to conclusions and demand every little detail and then turn around and show a shocking lack of respect for intellectually honest debate.

Yes, it really is that bad.


You are lying. Stochastic came to my defense. As did many others which you must surely have seen. The problem is, that it's a one in five phenomenon. The trolls are interested in outshouting EVERYONE. So when the odd person speaks up -- like Luceo for example, it gets buried.


Do what you want. I no longer consider you credible. That makes me sad. But, please, continue to update your locked thread. I promise I will get through it all -- at least until it becomes morbidly ridiculous to answer. I guess we will see what happens.

My attitude: I have a right to be angry because for months I have had to put up with insults and derogatory comments from people like vampire, whose allegations have now been proven false. You think about that for a moment before you criticize me for my attitude.

The amount of crap I have had to put up with is unbelievable. I'm sorry if you feel I am slimy. I am mad, tired, sick and broken. What this amounts to is that if I cannot work with BCB to arrive at a settlement then I will pursue a settlement on my own. As for your other comments, thank you. I am in fact winding down my companies in as open and fair a way as I can. I have this: NYAN/BMF/CPA final claims process which is currently the most open and informative closing down post ever. In comparison, MERGEDMINING for example, announced an arbitrary date (the 19th of december) that shareholders had to make a manual settlement. He ignored the GLBSE claims process. What do you think, am I doing a better job closing down my asset? That is what is really important here. And if damages are ever to be settled now is the time while I am closing down and making final payments.

Now is the time I need to make a reparation to shareholders if ever. Doesn't that make sense?

Yes -- At most, even if I roll over and play dead the damages aren't worth more than a few hundred BTC here AND I am willing to settle just to avoid the time it takes to answer.

And pirate likely fled the country with five million US dollars and a suitcase full of cocaine.

The similarities are blinding.

No, this has merit. Ian's security was just disapproved from BTC-TC, it now has 4 upvotes and 10 downvotes.

Ian needs to deal with reality and respond to this thread or at least the G&M scandal properly or he'll probably end up with a scammer tag and delisted from BTC-TC.

People know there's others trying to sell. For example, everyone who is paying attention knows BMF is trying to liquidate 110 shares.

Rest assured, we've placed limit orders, and we'll just distribute the shares as value if they don't sell. I'm not so inexperienced a trader as to fall for the old "Oh, so you want to sell your shares" routine. It works like this: When a rich guy comes into the store, they rush out to meet him (to keep him busy) while the helpers in the back rush around changing all the price tags to more expensive ones ;-) In reverse, when you want to sell your shares and people know it, they suddenly don't feel like paying so much. It's supply and demand, baby.