you're barely paying taxes for your own benefit at all, you both clearly do not understand the system

• the majority of taxes in the modern age are used to pay OLD government debts, anything up to 100 years old!
• the money used to pay for your public services today is borrowed, using loans that aren't due for repayment for up to 100 years in the future
• private companies who "win" a contract for public services are usually government cronies, wasting money that's (again) borrowed from decades away as loans that they don't need to take responsibility for
• or a government department does essentially the same thing; borrows a load of money, and spends it on things that aren't needed for the project (in some countries they pocket huge amounts using accounting fraud)

think about it, this is money they borrowed from our kids & grandkids they're misusing, and so any taxes you pay now was borrowed from you already 20, 40, 50 or 100 years before when you were not even born

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Bitcoin was created as a protest against this sort of system, but if you really want to pay your BTC back into that kind of system (systematized fraud/theft), then you'll get exactly what you deserve<sup>1


1</sup> crappy services, and 40-80% of your BTC converted to cocaine in politicians/contractors/government administrators noses

except if people are simply using Bitcoin as money. then it behaves far more like cash, the information as to who sold what to who doesn't necessarily exist.


and sure, people can be jailed (maybe even only because they refuse to disclose details of their BTC activities, which defies basic legal foundations, but it's all just a figleaf for surreptitious gangsterism anyway).

But I'm not paying these clown gangsters a single satoshi, and I'll still have all my money if I were ever released from any jail sentence.

that's as vague/wrong as you are, and so really proves my point that if you're not careful with the language describing the statistic, then you will end up misleading readers

so, for the millionth time now, I will make it clear:

• CO₂ increased from 0.03% to 0.04% since the 1800's, a difference of 0.01%
• that difference, expressed as a percentage, is 33% (0.01 is 33% of 0.03)

do you understand this yet?

(in before "no, the increase was 33%, you're totally wrong" )




how could you come to that conclusion, when I didn't say it


why are you putting words in my mouth? you don't need to do that, unless there's something wrong with your argument

if you want to help Bitcoin, I guess you could host the torrent of the Bitcoin Core software (I host all the latest bugfix releases that are still covered by official support, which means at this moment 0.16.3, 0.17.1 and 0.18.1)

other ideas

• ssh (use it for controlling stuff remotely)
• File server for your stuff (a different ssh instance would work here)
• diaspora (decentral social network)
• Mastodon (decentral twitter)
• personal e-mail (limited if you don't have a website domain... it's possible using an IPv6 address might work though)

I know some email software will send mail to a raw IP address (Thunderbird). I have this funny feeling that webmail clients won't do this (as it would help people to stop using webmail ), but this is why email is such BS these days; the webmail providers basically own the whole email system. If you don't want to do it the way they do it (and let them slurp all your emails), it's you that's wrong

anyone using miners as space heaters is likely buying old less efficient miners at much lower prices than the latest models. professional miners should be happy to take almost any price for old miners, the old units are taking up valuable space in the warehouse mining farms that could be used for new efficient mining units. as long as Siberians (or Greenlanders/Finlanders/Norwegians etc) can get some money back from the electricity, it will seem like a win.

if they can really beat the price down on old miners, people using miners to heat their homes could make a profit, but getting a good price for an old miner is the key to that.

in this case, BTCPay is less/not needed


the beautiful thing about Hong Kong is that it's a powerful economy concentrated in a small geographical area. There will be a lot of opportunities in that kind of economy to transact only in BTC.

after all, the whole point of this phenomenon of using BTC in Hong Kong commerce is to reduce government (HK and Chinese) control, putting more power into regular people's hands. Any conversion to currency in a bank account is a risk under those circumstances (as if that's not risky enough already)

or even provide some evidence. as you say, there is an endless amount of possibilities we can speculate about. arguably, it's usually not productive to do so




It would only be a conspiracy if it were illegal to buy Bitcoin in that country. there aren't many countries where owning or buying Bitcoin is against the law, and the government is unlikely to prosecute themselves anyway


hence, states buying BTC is not and never will be a conspiracy

please learn what "conspiracy" actually means, basically

I would say "no, Dev & Tech is the wrong board". But I'm not moderating this thread



that makes zero sense

It would make sense if you were to compare Litecoin's LN with Bitcoin's LN. Litecoin's LN is smaller. That would make sense.

if you want to do everything from tutorials, pick one (not 3 or 5, just 1) that does what your looking for, and stick to it

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WARNING: THIS THREAD IS CONFUSING

in this thread @matrix01 is basically doing all their thinking out loud before they've understood anything. no-one should try to follow this thread if they're new and want to figure out installing Bitcoin, because every possible way to install Bitcoin has been mixed together in this thread

you've been saying something that sounds very like that half a dozen times.

I am glad you have finally conceded the point, will you take back what you said about basic math, seeing as I demonstrated very early on that I know how to calculate both the percentage change and the absolute difference?

You claimed me doing a simple subtraction was actually an inept attempt at calculating the percentage difference, but it's plainly obvious that you were trying to use a tactic to confuse people that couldn't follow the math (which, as you yourself said, is so basic that almost nobody would have been confused)



I'm saying neither, and I have been consistent in doing so


Below, you are agreeing with my argument:


it is the absolute amount as part of a whole causes the problem, from either botulism or CO₂


again (see if you understand this yet):

the change doesn't matter, the amount does. if it's changing, then how much it changes to is what matters

the real question is: is 400ppm CO₂ (i.e. 0.04%) dangerous?

no

you should verify the file Wladimir signs. But that's a short list of SHA256 hashes of the files, not the archive files with the Bitcoin executables (i.e. the tarball).

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so

3a.
(gpg: Good signature from "Wladimir J. van der Laan is, as you say, a successful result)

a SHA256SUMS.asc file is on the Downloads page at https://bitcoincore.org for every release.


3b.
the output from 3b. is a string of letters and numbers, that is the hash of the tarball. In the SHA256SUMS.asc file, there will be a line corresponding to the tarball file you have, with the hash Wladimir got for the same tarball. If it's the same hash, then you have a strong guarantee that you have an identical tarball to Wladimir's (assuming you have his real key, and that no-one stole Wladimir's signing key, and also hacked both bitcoin.org and bitcoincore.org...)



"run as root" means you are using the user called "root" to do the command. using "sudo" before any command does this (it breaks down as superuser do, root is the superuser)



no need to worry, all the external stuff Bitcoin needs to run is in the Bitcoin executable. There will never be a "missing library" error, it has everything in needs in a rucksack on it's back


you make it seem more complicated than it is, you missed out step 2b: scratch your nose while downloading, or 13c: grab a coffee & watch the blockchain verifying till you get bored

also, these steps work on any linux, there's nothing Ubuntu specific in your guide, Linux has worked as above for ~30 years. Maybe consider altering your thread title, it'd help more people that way

(I predict a reply "the percentage increase is the only factor, the increase measured as a percentage is the only thing that's changing"
or "no, the difference is 33%")


how are you measuring the percentage change if you keep pretending the absolute difference doesn't exist?


your charge of "can't do basic math" is a joke, in order to hold your position, you're having to avoid using addition and subtraction (the most basic mathematical concepts that even the simplest animals understand) so that you can trick readers into thinking that the absolute difference in 2 measurements does not exist

you're a joke, SaltySpitoon. You literally cannot be serious with this BS.

ok then, the difference is 0.01%


you're making pathetic semantic arguments, really

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answer the following question:


which is actually the driving factor in the greenhouse effect? is it:

• the percentage change in CO₂
• the proportion of CO₂ of the whole

(anyone will tell you it's the proportion of the atmosphere, the change can be from any starting point. there's a colossal difference between a 1% increase in 99% and a 1% increase in 0.99%)


you're banging on and on about the percentage increase, when it's not even relevant to the greenhouse effect anyway.

the absolute amount is what actually matters, remember, the figure I keep posting, the one you keep disingenuously saying doesn't exist, despite it being a step in the calculations to the irrelevant figure you keep repeating

tl;dr the change doesn't matter, the amount does. if it's changing, then how much it changes to is what matters

your temperament towards learning linux will decide which of the above you'll prefer.

• if you want to know what''s going on, what to do, and why, choose #1. This puts you in a good position if #2 or #3 doesn't work for some reason, you may know enough to fix it yourself
• If you want it working 5 minutes ago, and don't care how it happens choose #2. #3 is pretty close to #2. If something goes wrong, you'll wait for someone else to fix it

note that sometimes when you choose #2 or #3, the person who makes the .deb files or maintains the PPA is just an unpaid volunteer, which means they might have higher priorities in life, and that means that they literally might never fix it. which leads you back to #1 (specifically, the person maintaining the Bitcoin PPA has been very reliable though)

you wouldn't be getting viruses if you took even a small amount of responsibility for your security


installing anti-virus is basically the same as saying "I don't know what I'm doing, or what's going on". The anti-virus program can't protect you if that's the case, if you think it will, then you'll do dangerous things with your computer, then get a virus.

learning about basic security is how to avoid viruses and malware, if you let someone do it for you for free, they won't do a good job. When was the last time someone provided a good service when they do it for free, lol

let's try again


atmospheric CO₂ has increased from 0.03% to 0.04% over the last 200 years. The increase is 0.01%


It's impossible to argue with that statement, and the math literally proves it.

Yet you continue to pretend that the nominal difference figure does not exist, and that if you keep repeating the percentage change figure over and over again, that the nominal difference is a fantasy?


You're a liar, @SaltySpitoon, you know exactly what I mean and are continuing to play dumb


answer this question without prevarication:

you keep re-stating the percentage change figure. Percentage change of what?

the answer is the percentage change in nominal difference, which you keep pretending is my own private delusion you lying toad

what version are you using of:

• macOS
• Bitcoin
• Armory

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no it isn't

it's recommended to use good software that's not so broken that it even needs extra software for security

if that was true, there'd be no reason for takers to buy a token to make it work


the point stands: you can buy your AtomicSwapCoin, and get nothing. That's not an atomic swap, lol

interesting, do please tell us all again