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9881  Other / Off-topic / Re: 864 mh/s firmware release - Butterfly Labs on: May 11, 2012, 03:46:34 AM
Although I'm seeing more MH/s wit the 863 firmware, My "U" in cgminer has gone down and the pools reported GH/s is down too. My average MH/s as reported by cgminer is up about 300MH/s across my 10 singles.

Any thoughts on why the cgminer reported MH/s is up but less work being reported by the pool?
Most likely: U is random - just like block finding.
Check it again in a few days Smiley

Ok, but they have always reported as 8+GH/s on the pools but now only 7.x GH/s.
The pools report based on your U. So if you're unlucky for a while, your U goes down, and your pool reports it slower. Doesn't mean you're actually hashing slower for that period.
9882  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Is it truly economically beneficial to run to FPGAs right now ? on: May 11, 2012, 01:45:35 AM
You're entitled to your opinion Grin But BFL is far from a "ripoff".Using that line of thinking,what do call Ztex & X6500 with almost HALF the mh/s???
Nothing particularly nice  Wink

I'll use GPUs while they're profitable. If, when the block reward drops, the GPUs stop being profitable, you can ALWAYS sell a GPU (and I was being really conservative saying they'll sell for 50% of the price). Investing in FPGAs on the other hand, despite what anyone says, you are 100% betting on bitcoin being a sure thing long term since there is NO short term profit and NO guaranteed sale of the hardware should bitcoin tank. The return time is absolutely huge. All the so-called other uses for 2nd hand FPGAs are very few and far between, and there is hardly any market for a whole lot of 2nd hand FPGAs unlike GPUs. Difficulty slowly lags behind and parallels BTC value, not the other way around, no matter how much people want it to be, so difficulty will drop somewhat, but perhaps stay above the GPU mining profitability point. If the only way to mine profitably after the drop is with FPGAs, but only with a minimum turnaround of something like 1 year (factoring in reward drop), you can sell all the GPUs then and decide whether you want to bet 100% on bitcoin then and move to FPGAs or jump ship entirely.

In investment, risk should parallel likely gain. The risks of FPGAs are much higher than GPUs, but the potential gains, are they there? Unless bitcoin explodes in popularity and price jumps up dramatically, and you have been hoarding them instead of selling them along the way, they're not. You have to be honest to yourself about the risk here when you're talking potentially tens of thousands of dollars, especially if it's not money you have to burn. Don't get wrapped up in the momentum and not see that it's just another risky venture.
9883  Other / Off-topic / Re: Butterfly Labs - Bitforce Single and Mini Rig Box on: May 10, 2012, 10:37:40 PM
I understand how long polls work. New block is found everyone has to get new work. The pools get hammered with requests for work. How is it possible when I am working on previously cached work and requesting new and showing cached work that I am out of work? Even set to 2 seconds for my logging I show 1 unit que and 3-12 staged. How is that out of work?
You ARE out of work after a longpoll. The cached work is absolutely useless belonging to a now dead previous block height so you do NOT work on it no matter how much work is "cached". The only thing that is "cached" with submit-stale is SHARES, if they have been found at approximately the same point in time as the longpoll, not extra work. You cannot work again at maximum rate until you have received enough work from either the longpoll itself (since it provides one work unit), rolls work from that longpoll (if the pool supports rolltime), and/or you get enough new work units. The fact that the BFL device twiddles its thumbs for up to 5 seconds on the wrong block work after longpoll means up to 5 seconds of work is wasted. You can submit those shares, but most pools will just say "too late" and they'll be rejected.
9884  Other / Off-topic / Re: Problems with CGMiner 2.4.1 and Singles? on: May 10, 2012, 10:20:59 PM
You need a version of CGMINER compiled with --enable-bitforce


All the official binaries are.

I wish it was but it's not. I'm in the process of compiling them again with --enable-bitforce.

Is it possible that the windows version only supports COM1-COM10 then?
The official binary most definitely is compiled with bitforce support.
9885  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: CGMINER GPU FPGA overclock monitor fanspeed GCN RPC linux/windows/osx 2.4.1 on: May 10, 2012, 10:00:00 PM
Well, I think I am reporting the first casualty of the new LP handling method of CGMiner.  After struggling with my pool servers for the past few days, I've come to the conclusion that the new CGminer is "flooding" the server with LP requests.  Previously, before the LP changes, there would be ~800 or so LP watchers per server.  After the change, there is now more than 3000 LP watchers per server and the servers were struggling to keep up with LPs when they hit, causing stale shares and non/slow response until it was caught up.

I'm redoing the servers to handle LPs more gracefully (thanks to Luke-Jr/Eloipool!)... but I figured I'd make a post in case any other pool ops are suddenly struggling to figure out why their servers might be sluggish during LPs. 
Interesting.  Is this because each client is sending more LP requests, or is it just because anyone with EMC as a backup pool is now requesting a longpoll regardless of whether they're currently connected or not?
9886  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: CGMINER GPU FPGA overclock monitor fanspeed GCN RPC linux/windows/osx 2.4.1 on: May 10, 2012, 09:58:14 PM
just to hopefully explain why I asked. Wouldn't the numbers match on a machine with 1 single and nothing else if they are over the same time period with the same calculation rate? I ask because mine didn't match last night. Today it matches sometimes and others the top reads less then 500 to over 1200 the single unit line reads 856-858. So the actual calculation of the data is different maybe. I can only see two ways for the same data to give two answers.
Thanks
Slightly different. The first number on per-device is updated differently and is more a current average rather than over any particular time period. Even the global 5s value is not truly a 5s value, it just decays over 5 seconds.
9887  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: Official CGMINER thread - CPU/GPU miner in C for linux/windows on: May 10, 2012, 02:12:53 PM
...
Updated git tree:
I've added dynamic adjustment of intensity for usage on a normal desktop. This flag is enabled by default and tests to ensure the GPU is constantly available for desktop use and will scale intensity down when you are watching a movie, gaming or just about any other intense GPU usage, and scale it up when otherwise idle. This is best disabled on dedicated miners:
...
The difference can be quite dramatic in terms of how much smoother the desktop is, and how much higher the throughput is when it's idle.

I just switched over from Diablo on my work PC, and I have to say this is the one of the coolest things about cgminer.  I don't have to kill my miner whenever I'm doing graphic intense work (2x or 3x a day).  Kudos.

I'll send you some bitcents when next I access my wallet (from cold storage) Wink

Thanks for some great software!
Glad you appreciate it. I think it's one of the most underrated features myself too since most miners tend to just use dedicated rigs. Just remember you can also tune the intensity of the dynamic mode as well with the --gpu-dyninterval option.
9888  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Is it truly economically beneficial to run to FPGAs right now ? on: May 10, 2012, 01:08:53 PM
Frankly, it's the best moment to buy non-GPU solutions. The closer we get to the reward-halving
day, the more the demand for non-GPU solutions will grow. After reward is down 50%, most GPU
miners (if not all) are going to be out of business... When this happens, market will be flooded with
second-handed GPUs, which will have a very hard time selling at an appropriate price...


Regards,
BF Labs Inc.
Nonsense. 7970s will be still hot property in December. The next generation of GPUs is miles away and that's what usually causes the price drop. Your up front price for FPGAs is still a rip off at the moment. Come the block reward halving, the goal posts all change, but so will difficulty as the inefficient miners drop off. There is no foregone conclusion here, only a business model as far as I can see. Again if I sell my 7970s for even half their price, the current up front price/return on investment time for FPGAs makes no sense at all - to me. If electricity is ludicrously expensive, things might be different as Eleuthria suffers.
9889  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: CGMINER GPU FPGA overclock monitor fanspeed GCN RPC linux/windows/osx 2.4.1 on: May 10, 2012, 09:51:03 AM
Is it possible to have an option like --computer-restart, to restart the computer when it detects a sick/dead card?
I a aware there is a gpu restart, but this would be a nice option for me too.

That's not possible in a cross platform way. It's not even possible to cleanly close cgminer once a driver has crashed (dead device). You need to use the API or log to monitor it happening and use an external program to do that.
9890  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: CGMINER GPU FPGA overclock monitor fanspeed GCN RPC linux/windows/osx 2.4.1 on: May 10, 2012, 03:55:33 AM
the HW column which I believe stands for hardware error.

One of my cards has 0 while the other has 2.5% hardware errors ( HW/(A+R+HW)= hardwareerror divided by total accepted+rejected+HW. )

Should I downclock that card some because I think those errors are because of overclock?
If the rate is very low, then leaving it is fine. However 2.5% is fairly significant. Think of them like the glitches you see on screen when you overclock too much. I'd recommend just come backing a little on the overclock till they go away.
9891  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Unofficial "High MHash"/"Best Settings" GPU Comparision Thread on: May 10, 2012, 02:30:12 AM
6870 Northern Islands has 1120 stream processors of the same architecture as the 5870 which has 1600. Performance is linearly related to architecture * stream processors * Mhz. Therefore at exact same clocks, the 6870 should be (1120/1600) 0.7 * Mhash of a 5870. At 1000Mhz, the 5870 gets at best ~460Mhash. Therefore a number as high as 375 for a 6870 is ... highly unlikely.

What makes you think that a 5870 can only get ~460 MH/s? Have you tried running 2 workers on a single 5870? Maybe you'll get over 500 MH/s if you do.

I'm sorry, clearly I don't know what I'm talking about.
9892  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Unofficial "High MHash"/"Best Settings" GPU Comparision Thread on: May 10, 2012, 02:08:29 AM
6870 Northern Islands has 1120 stream processors of the same architecture as the 5870 which has 1600. Performance is linearly related to architecture * stream processors * Mhz. Therefore at exact same clocks, the 6870 should be (1120/1600) 0.7 * Mhash of a 5870. At 1000Mhz, the 5870 gets at best ~460Mhash. Therefore a number as high as 375 for a 6870 is ... highly unlikely.
9893  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [ Bonus PPS Pool - 108% ] - Private Beta OPEN on: May 09, 2012, 04:46:45 PM
Stability has been deteriorating over the last 12 hours....

Was pretty good before I went to bed last night....

Just now:

Code:
 cgminer version 2.4.1 - Started: [2012-05-06 16:25:17]

 [2012-05-09 12:49:00] Rejected db502089.dc3fed8a GPU 0 pool 0

At 12:51:00 it switched back to BonusPool for the LP and shares were accepted again
Does this mean cgminer disabled the pool for you automatically and then correctly re-enabled it? I need some in-the-field confirmation this code is working.
9894  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [ Bonus PPS Pool - 105% ] - Private Beta CLOSED on: May 09, 2012, 09:50:57 AM
Well I will look into the outcome of the recent cgminer updates over the course of this week, if it pans out to improve things noticably I will definitely send you some well deserved btc to the donation wallet in your sig.
Sweet, thanks  Smiley
9895  Other / Off-topic / Re: P2Pool and BFL hardware on: May 09, 2012, 09:46:54 AM
That easyminer thing screams of the kind of software lock in proprietary crap that is absolutely nothing like bitcoin, and doesn't even allow you to mine anywhere but one pool even. It's really disappointing and I hope people use something else more open... anything, it doesn't even need to be cgminer. I'd much rather whatever benefits were there in the software could be distributed out to other mining software, or they would work with the existing software developers instead of that ancient corporate proprietary model which has been proven time and again to be based on FUD and long-term ends up being a burden rather than a boon.
9896  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Is it truly economically beneficial to run to FPGAs right now ? on: May 09, 2012, 03:26:58 AM
Only intermittently as a special offer. Reliably $450.

Most overclocked 7970s will do 700MH, but the power cost consumption rises disproportionately. I've measured about 250W at that speed.
9897  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Wonder who this solominer is? 88.6.216.9 on: May 08, 2012, 09:39:38 PM
I have managed to get my hands on iMine botnet thingy and all it does is connects to a specified pool.
Of course I will not be using it as a botnet as advertised.
Are you able to determine who's code it is based on? Ufasoft, cgminer, etc? Can you tell what language it is written in?

I can't comment on iMine, but I can tell you that so far every known botnet that has tried mining on BTC Guild has been Ufasoft.  Sometimes they'll mask the UserAgent though.
This is why I stopped supporting cpu mining on cgminer above all other reasons.
9898  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: CGMINER GPU FPGA overclock monitor fanspeed GCN RPC linux/windows/osx 2.4.1 on: May 08, 2012, 09:09:33 PM
Does the latest version (2.4.1) no longer support changing settings interactively via the program?

Also, I don't see temperature displays for my individual GPU's or fan speeds.

Code:
cgminer version 2.4.1 - Started: [2012-05-08 20:18:54]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 (5s):1093.7 (avg):873.3 Mh/s | Q:113  A:96  R:0  HW:0  E:85%  U:14.4/m
 TQ: 4  ST: 4  SS: 0  DW: 0  NB: 1  LW: 0  GF: 0  RF: 0
 Connected to http://pit.deepbit.net:8332 with LP as user myname
 Block: 0000045ba594f8392d0fa4c53040291c...  Started: [20:18:54]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 [P]ool management [G]PU management [S]ettings [D]isplay options [Q]uit
 GPU 0: 279.2/112.1Mh/s | A: 9 R:0 HW:0 U:  1.35/m I:14
 GPU 1: 292.9/251.2Mh/s | A:20 R:0 HW:0 U:  3.00/m I:14
 GPU 2: 530.0/510.0Mh/s | A:67 R:0 HW:0 U: 10.06/m I:14
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

You still can. Nothing's changed. If you can't get temps usually you haven't export DISPLAY on linux or are running some  remote desktop on windows.
9899  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Is it truly economically beneficial to run to FPGAs right now ? on: May 08, 2012, 05:40:48 AM
7970: Currently $405USD, ~700Mhash, 250W, warranty 1+ year from many reliable manufacturers available instantly, resale >$200 if sold in 2 years. Also play games and act as GPUs... Return on investment time: Dependent on your local electricity prices. Block reward halving in 7 months...

Fill in the gaps for other devices.

Note: I only have GPUs.
9900  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: CGMINER GPU FPGA overclock monitor fanspeed GCN RPC linux/windows/osx 2.4.1 on: May 07, 2012, 11:41:24 AM
For some reason 2.4.0 and 2.4.1 will not properly save the configuration file for me. On restart after saving and having everything working I get this.
Code:
],

,
"api-port" : "4028",
It's as kano said, that extra comma is an error to do with you not running any GPUs. Will need to be fixed in the next version. You'll have to edit it manually for it to work at the moment.
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