Why are you focusing on my delusions? You know nothing about them. And, they aren't part of this thread.
Because your delusions are what you are basing your reasoning, your belief and your entire argument in this thread on. So it most certainly is part of this thread.
That's the point, and I explained it already. Your belief against something doesn't make your belief true. Again, the example is your belief in Big Bang. You believe it is true because your want to, or because you like believing other people who say it is true. You don't know BB is true because you don't understand the math. Believing it doesn't make it true.
I'm so glad you seem to be understanding where I'm coming from....you just need to turn Big Bang into god and you have my point of view!
Same with the scientific proof for the existence of God. If you don't understand the proof - be it for or against - all you have is a belief.
You seem to be missing the point....again. Take off the god coloured glasses for just a teeny bit....and see the bigger picture.
It seems that you and Astargath don't understand the proof for the existence of God, because you don't understand your own proof against the existence of God enough to explain it. Both of you are entirely talking religion. So, it is religion for you, but for those who understand, it is knowledge.
That statement is so full of contradictions, I'm not even sure where to start.....Ok here goes:
1. We are saying there IS no proof. None. Zip. Zero. Nada. We are saying we can't understand it because there just is none. At all..... Like none to be found.
2. 'because you don't understand your own proof against the existence of God enough to explain it' We don't try to claim any such thing because THERE IS NO GOD.
3. So because we are saying there is none....we are NOT taking it on faith because evidence to support such a claim is not....and has not to date.....ever been brought forward in the history of human civilisation.
4. "To those that understand, it is knowledge" Again you are talking about people having faith...to believe in an invisible sky daddy watching over you 24/7.
No. It is your beliefs, because you are the one talking about belief without showing proof for what you say.
I don't have to show proof for anything my friend.....the burden of proof is all on you religious nutjobs.
You have just admitted that having religion means that you don't know....but yet are stating....(as a fact that cannot be verified by anyone else) that YOU know god exists....and scientifically at that...wow did you find something that can be proven, demonstrable, quantifiable, testable and repeatable that thousands of other scientific people have somehow missed???
How do you know that it has not been verified by anyone else? Before the apple hit Isaac Newton on the head, there might not have been any theories for gravity. If Newton was the first, he was the first. There has to be a first, if it exists.
Yawn....Argument for First Cause Fallacy....again. If it was verified by anyone....it would be world wide news...it would be in every scientific magazine around the globe.....which it is not.
What does having a religion or not, have to do with the fact that God exists?
The very definition of religion:
Definition of religion - the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
Source:
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/religionIt is simply a religion for you due to your unwillingness or inability to understand the proof. Since I understand the proof, and can explain it, and have explained it, it is not a religion for me. Just because I have certain religious beliefs, does not mean that they include the things I have factual knowledge of. Same for you.
Wow its like talking to a sun baked brick....I might actually get better answers out of it. YOUR opinions and YOUR beliefs have shaped how you responding to my queries. YOU are claiming to understand the proof, have the proof...and claim its factual knowledge. Lets put this in terms a 5 year old could understand cos clearly its going right over your head:
WE are stating that YOUR opinions about claiming to have factual knowledge of proof is bull crap. A big steaming...pile of bull crap! There is no proof because there is no god. Simple enough?
Faith is all inclusive, because we all live by faith. This means we all have religion.
I totally understand why a religious person would say that. Because for you, faith = religion.
This is what I am trying to get into your head......Non religious based people are not. Faith does not equal religion for me. I have faith the sun will come up tomorrow...and I'm aware that science has proven that we are on a planet turning around the sun and it will rise tomorrow and its based on fact. Hard proven fact that can be looked up. I'm just too lazy to actually go and find the actual hard evidence. But it's there....unlike the evidence for your god.
Science theory and hypotheses are not always facts. So science is not always facts.
Yes, that is true, and science is always happy to revise its theories when proven wrong....unlike religion.
There are formal religions that do not include a being to be worshiped. Buddhism is one example.
Yes, but they are not claiming to have factual knowledge of their beliefs. So moving on....
Another example is the faith that we all live by all the time, as I stated in the paragraph above this one.
I have responded to that already.
LOL. People know that gravity exists because it is around them all the time. They use it everyday. Scientific theories and formulas for gravity may or may not have anything to do with the fact of gravity. Gravity, being fact, doesn't necessarily have anything to do with science. Why? Because gravity was known to exist long before science came along. When you talk about gravity here, your density is starting to match that of notbatman in the FE thread.
Right...so the vikings knew thunder and lightning existed too. They called it god.
You only know it was a fact because science has proven it. Not religion or faith. Lots of things were also known to exist long before we had science to nail down HOW and WHY of things. Thats why your god is dwindling....its the god of the gaps..and science is closing that a bit more every day.
The fact that you respond to my posts is allowing a little of my authority over you. Now you are inviting more. Why do you immerse yourself in things that you detest so much? You are submersing yourself in my authority and continuing to ask for more.
And the fact that you are responding to my posts must mean I have a little authority over you. Long as I'm wasting your time....you have less time to brainwash someone else.
Actually, this might be true. There is some interpretation of parallel universe theory that suggests that spiritually speaking, we might all be in our own universe. But that concept is way beyond anything that this forum is capable of handling, and certainly this thread.
Agreed. And I notice you didn't disagree with my description of your god. Am I finally getting through to you?
Well, do you have scientific proof for it? I mean, can you show the scientific proof? Showing it doesn't mean I will understand it. But if you literally have proof for it, the least you could do is show the proof as I have shown the proof for the existence of God.
I could happily show you the proof! Want me to post a picture?
However, BB was only an example. If there is any point in science that has been proven to you, based on someone telling it to you, or on your reading of it in a book or somewhere, without the understanding on your part of how it is a fact, then it is part of your religion... a religious belief for you... even if it is believed by millions of others, and known by still other millions.
Again its the faith = religion for science bull crap......science is NOT a religion for the umteenth time.
People at church believe the priest or minister when they are told things about the particular religion. They often don't know if what they are being told is true or not. Yet they believe (or not). If you don't have and understand the proof for things like the diameter of the sun, or the distance to Jupiter, but have only believed what others have said, then it is all religion for you, even if it is 100% true and factual.
I understand what you are saying, but just flatly disagree with it.
The scientific proof for the existence of God might not be understandable to you, just like other scientific fact might not be understandable to you. We are in a forum. So, you have the right to state that you don't believe something, even in a "proof" thread. But if you are absolutely sure, show the proof. At least Astargath attempts to show the proof that God doesn't exist a little, or that the proof that He exists is faulty. All you do is blab religion.
Awww am I irritating you? Shampies....
I don't have to prove anything. You are the one claiming to have proof. Which is bogus and has been bogus this entire time. Astargath and I are just the only ones calling you out on it , since you seem to be so desperate to negate whatever we say.
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