Scientific proof that God exists?

[BADecker]

Do you know where the world ends?
Do you know how it all works? Entropy? Big Bang?
There's god.
Though it (the god) might not know we exist.

The complexity of cause and effect shows that God knows every microscopic and macroscopic piece of the universe entirely and completely.

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[Jpti]

Do you know where the world ends?
Do you know how it all works? Entropy? Big Bang?
There's god.
Though it (the god) might not know we exist.

The complexity of cause and effect shows that God knows every microscopic and macroscopic piece of the universe entirely and completely.

All religion might be wrong.
Humans are very new to the planet. So what if the god is amoebic? without a proper brain to process?
Or just a form of energy no shape and form?
While we don't no everything, we should not rule out any possibility.

[Noojna]

Do you know where the world ends?
Do you know how it all works? Entropy? Big Bang?
There's god.
Though it (the god) might not know we exist.

The complexity of cause and effect shows that God knows every microscopic and macroscopic piece of the universe entirely and completely.

All religion might be wrong.
Humans are very new to the planet. So what if the god is amoebic? without a proper brain to process?
Or just a form of energy no shape and form?
While we don't no everything, we should not rule out any possibility.

I kinda side with Jpti on that one - I think that God exists, but it's not the God that religion teaches us about. Religion was created as a means to control people, at the lowest common denominator level.

[belphegory]

When it comes to the possibility of God's existence, the Bible says that there are people who have seen sufficient evidence, but they have suppressed the truth about God.1 On the other hand, for those who want to know God if he is there, he says, "You will seek me and find me; when you seek me with all your heart, I will be found by you."2 Before you look at the facts surrounding his existence, ask yourself, If God does exist, would I want to know him?

Right so straight off the bat the very first sentence says it all....the bible "says".

Please watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79Lmmy2jfeo
And then this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn7TEoA9ark
And also this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUYRoYl7i6U
Aaand then just in case: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cDx8riNaJg with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZu70lql5Js

And then specially this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GE8iym5Q0w

Wake up and smell the coffee people....its all a bunch of forgeries and fake letters promoting christianity.....total bunch of hogwash. No inerrant word of god here!

[belphegory]

Do you know where the world ends?
Do you know how it all works? Entropy? Big Bang?
There's god.
Though it (the god) might not know we exist.

The complexity of cause and effect shows that God knows every microscopic and macroscopic piece of the universe entirely and completely.

Aaand you would know this HOW exactly? Asked him recently have you? Gotten a verbal response at allthatanyoneslecanverify?

[BADecker]

Do you know where the world ends?
Do you know how it all works? Entropy? Big Bang?
There's god.
Though it (the god) might not know we exist.

The complexity of cause and effect shows that God knows every microscopic and macroscopic piece of the universe entirely and completely.

Aaand you would know this HOW exactly? Asked him recently have you? Gotten a verbal response at allthatanyoneslecanverify?

Ask any scientist, and he will tell you that everything works according to cause and effect that we know about. It may take some of these scientists a moment to consider it, because they are not all focused on C&E. But when they focus on it, you will get essentially the same answer from any of them. Part of the reason for this is that it is self evident... to anyone who can think a little.

[BADecker]

When it comes to the possibility of God's existence, the Bible says that there are people who have seen sufficient evidence, but they have suppressed the truth about God.1 On the other hand, for those who want to know God if he is there, he says, "You will seek me and find me; when you seek me with all your heart, I will be found by you."2 Before you look at the facts surrounding his existence, ask yourself, If God does exist, would I want to know him?

Right so straight off the bat the very first sentence says it all....the bible "says".

Please watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79Lmmy2jfeo
And then this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn7TEoA9ark
And also this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUYRoYl7i6U
Aaand then just in case: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cDx8riNaJg with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZu70lql5Js

And then specially this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GE8iym5Q0w

Wake up and smell the coffee people....its all a bunch of forgeries and fake letters promoting christianity.....total bunch of hogwash. No inerrant word of god here!

Except that there was enough power in it to keep it going for thousands of years. Consider this. We have the printing press. We can print fake news and get away with it. Stuff had to be hand copied back then. They didn't have time to waste on fake news. They only copied stuff that had power in it.

[BADecker]

Do you know where the world ends?
Do you know how it all works? Entropy? Big Bang?
There's god.
Though it (the god) might not know we exist.

The complexity of cause and effect shows that God knows every microscopic and macroscopic piece of the universe entirely and completely.

All religion might be wrong.
Humans are very new to the planet. So what if the god is amoebic? without a proper brain to process?
Or just a form of energy no shape and form?
While we don't no everything, we should not rule out any possibility.

I kinda side with Jpti on that one - I think that God exists, but it's not the God that religion teaches us about. Religion was created as a means to control people, at the lowest common denominator level.

But you are not considering the part regarding the complexity of cause and effect. All operations of people are totally set into play by cause and effect. The extra handful of electrons that jump the gap in a synapse of yours, that causes the beginning of a change in your attitude, was set into play and place by whatever the things were that caused them to act the way they do. C&E has been acting on everything since the beginning. All of our thoughts are controlled by C&E. Whoever or Whatever set this C&E into place and play, is so extremely great that the word God is way too small for Whatever or Whoever He/It is. And our whole thinking is way off regarding the artificial free will that we have to believe this way or that.

[Astargath]

God definitely exists. You guys need to look into the real world guys this is not the real world this world is nothing compared to the real world in heaven. And yes there is a hell. The hell fire is 20x times worse than Volcano Lava Fire.

How do you know that, though?

The kind of complexity. If there were no human life and spirit complexity, even though there might be some complexity that approaches it, then we might be able to conclude that we needed something more than complexity. But because the complexity is of the mankind type, and is a complexity beyond mankind's ability to figure out, the beyond-mankind thing that made this complexity fits the definition of God.

Complexity forms naturally, like a seed into a plant, it doesn't need a god or anyone, complexity does not indicate creation, sorry.

Do you find the complexity of a car or computer forming naturally, without some intelligent guidance?

I know a car and a computer are man made, what do you mean?

Where's your proof?    

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roertNcQTHY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc0X92fZF1Y

This is my proof, what are you trying to argue here, you seem desperate as fuck to be honest.

Now you are dumping down denser than notbatman. At least notbatman manages to explain what is in the videos and how it applies. But you don't even know what is in the videos that you suggest... at least not enough to explain it.

What is there to explain, you asked me how I know a car is man made, I linked a video clearly showing a car being manufactured. We know when cars were invented, what is your argument here lmao.

[BADecker]

God definitely exists. You guys need to look into the real world guys this is not the real world this world is nothing compared to the real world in heaven. And yes there is a hell. The hell fire is 20x times worse than Volcano Lava Fire.

How do you know that, though?

The kind of complexity. If there were no human life and spirit complexity, even though there might be some complexity that approaches it, then we might be able to conclude that we needed something more than complexity. But because the complexity is of the mankind type, and is a complexity beyond mankind's ability to figure out, the beyond-mankind thing that made this complexity fits the definition of God.

Complexity forms naturally, like a seed into a plant, it doesn't need a god or anyone, complexity does not indicate creation, sorry.

Do you find the complexity of a car or computer forming naturally, without some intelligent guidance?

I know a car and a computer are man made, what do you mean?

Where's your proof?    

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roertNcQTHY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc0X92fZF1Y

This is my proof, what are you trying to argue here, you seem desperate as fuck to be honest.

Now you are dumping down denser than notbatman. At least notbatman manages to explain what is in the videos and how it applies. But you don't even know what is in the videos that you suggest... at least not enough to explain it.

What is there to explain, you asked me how I know a car is man made, I linked a video clearly showing a car being manufactured. We know when cars were invented, what is your argument here lmao.

You miss the point. Simply because good portions of cars are made by automatic machines, and even though many other machined parts are machined, does that mean that the machines made the cars?

Cause and effect has induced that manufacture of the cars from their first inception right on down to the last polish put on the paint.

Like the machines haven't made the cars, even so the people haven't made the cars. Both machines and people are carrying out the C&E activity that nature has in them.

The only difference between the machines and the people is, the machines don't have the artificial free will that makes them artificially feel good (or, sometimes, artificially feel pain) when they are making cars.

In other words, because people are induce in all their activity by C&E, they aren't really the ones who make cars.

The question asks itself, if it isn't people, then Who is It?

[belphegory]

Your logic is severely flawed Badecker......

I found a better website that explains your fallacy....

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_first_cause

And since you touching on intelligent design fallacy in your arguments as well...
 https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Intelligent_design

Your C&E argument is thus null and void.

[Astargath]

God definitely exists. You guys need to look into the real world guys this is not the real world this world is nothing compared to the real world in heaven. And yes there is a hell. The hell fire is 20x times worse than Volcano Lava Fire.

How do you know that, though?

The kind of complexity. If there were no human life and spirit complexity, even though there might be some complexity that approaches it, then we might be able to conclude that we needed something more than complexity. But because the complexity is of the mankind type, and is a complexity beyond mankind's ability to figure out, the beyond-mankind thing that made this complexity fits the definition of God.

Complexity forms naturally, like a seed into a plant, it doesn't need a god or anyone, complexity does not indicate creation, sorry.

Do you find the complexity of a car or computer forming naturally, without some intelligent guidance?

I know a car and a computer are man made, what do you mean?

Where's your proof?    

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roertNcQTHY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc0X92fZF1Y

This is my proof, what are you trying to argue here, you seem desperate as fuck to be honest.

Now you are dumping down denser than notbatman. At least notbatman manages to explain what is in the videos and how it applies. But you don't even know what is in the videos that you suggest... at least not enough to explain it.

What is there to explain, you asked me how I know a car is man made, I linked a video clearly showing a car being manufactured. We know when cars were invented, what is your argument here lmao.

You miss the point. Simply because good portions of cars are made by automatic machines, and even though many other machined parts are machined, does that mean that the machines made the cars?

Cause and effect has induced that manufacture of the cars from their first inception right on down to the last polish put on the paint.

Like the machines haven't made the cars, even so the people haven't made the cars. Both machines and people are carrying out the C&E activity that nature has in them.

The only difference between the machines and the people is, the machines don't have the artificial free will that makes them artificially feel good (or, sometimes, artificially feel pain) when they are making cars.

In other words, because people are induce in all their activity by C&E, they aren't really the ones who make cars.

The question asks itself, if it isn't people, then Who is It?

I don't see why it has to be a ''who'' that's your first assumption and it's wrong. Your second assumption is saying it's god because... you don't really have any evidence that it's god but it has to be, right? That's your second assumption and it's wrong. Your design argument has been debunked many times throughout history, it's nothing new, it's the same flawed argument. The ''everything has a cause'' argument has been debunked as well, it's called the kalam argument, I believe.

https://www.alternet.org/story/145822/why_%27everything_has_a_cause%27_is_a_terrible_justification_for_god%27s_existence
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_design

[Jaco13]

I really believe that science could not prove that God exists, but to prove that everything has had a beginning that we could not even imagine.

[BADecker]

I don't see why it has to be a ''who'' that's your first assumption and it's wrong.

Your assumption that I am assuming anything is wrong. You are a compilation of many parts, just like a rock. But the complexity of the way your parts are arranged is what makes you a "who." The complexity of the universe is the thing that shows the Maker to be a "Who"... or maybe you are not a "who?"

Your second assumption is saying it's god because... you don't really have any evidence that it's god but it has to be, right? That's your second assumption and it's wrong.

You are wrong again about me having such an assumption. A god would be someone who is superhuman. So, when you have Someone Who made and upholds the whole complexity of the universe, that not only is God in the simplicity of simple minded people who use our language and thinking, but when we contemplate God deeply, we see that "He" is SuperGod way beyond all understanding... beyond any super-alien we have imagined, who might have super abilities.

Your design argument has been debunked many times throughout history, it's nothing new, it's the same flawed argument. The ''everything has a cause'' argument has been debunked as well, it's called the kalam argument, I believe.

https://www.alternet.org/story/145822/why_%27everything_has_a_cause%27_is_a_terrible_justification_for_god%27s_existence
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_design

The "everything has a cause" argument is simply something you are using, here, inappropriately. The thing your so-called debunkers are saying is, "We have not seen the cause of everything, therefore we don't know for a fact that everything has a cause." So, there is a difference between what you are suggesting, and what your debunkers are saying.

There are three major points that so strongly suggest that causation is universal, that everybody understands that it is universal. These points are:
1. The gigantic quantity of existing cause and effect actions;
2. The fact that there has not even been one effect that has been shown to have come about by something other than a cause;
3. That the logic of an effect without a cause is not something that fits or makes sense regarding our universe.

You are simply not understanding correctly, the things that are being said in the links that you provided.



EDIT: Your links are so extremely full of assumptions that they totally invalidate themselves. It's like the authors are doing the exact thing that they are other people of doing. The difference is that they are assuming way more, and in a way that shows that they are either blind to this fact, or that they are trying to use troll-like propaganda on people. If you happen to be a sincere person, and you read crap like this, no wonder you think that simply because you might be able to out talk someone, is the reason that you are correct.

[BADecker]

Your logic is severely flawed Badecker......

I found a better website that explains your fallacy....

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_first_cause

And since you touching on intelligent design fallacy in your arguments as well...
 https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Intelligent_design

Your C&E argument is thus null and void.

Cause and effect is the accepted operation in all, 100%, of scientific investigation. It is also the only way that we see that all things that exist, exist the way that they do.

Some people might have some ideas or hypotheses or theories that things might exist because of something other than cause and effect, but they arrived at these ideas or hypotheses or theories through the use of cause and effect. There is nothing other than C&E, factually known, for the way things exist. In addition, there are countless numbers of actions that are known to exist by C&E... factually known, not known in idea or hypothesis or theory form.

Your interpretations of the links you provide is completely lacking. And the links, themselves, are simply a bunch of talk around the subject, without providing anything different to the conclusion that C&E exists in everything.

[belphegory]

No actually not....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

And in case that is too much reading for you here is something with a picture:
https://www.sciencebuddies.org/science-fair-projects/science-fair/steps-of-the-scientific-method

Cause and effect have sweet nothing-at-all-to-do with scientific methods.....its a process of elimination, gathering intel\data and arriving at a conclusion...or sometimes not depending on if any tests or experiments were even able to be done.

Please take off the god coloured glasses....your C&E arguments are weak and baseless.

I could also find evidence that everything comes from the Flying Spaghetti Monster.....all hail his noodly appendage! No matter where I look I seem to find the truth of this....why are all the planets shaped like meatballs if He didn't create us??
Why do roads wind around like spaghetti on a map? Why is the colour of spaghetti so soothing?? I just want everything to taste like meatball and spaghetti sauce. It could only be as He wills it. I am lost without Him....like that spaghetti strand that falls out of your bowl that you don't see until after your meal.

 

The fact that you cannot find any truth in the links I have provided shows me you are not ready for the ultimate truth......I say again....go sit in the children's corner and be quiet.

[SergeYak]

I really believe that science could not prove that God exists, but to prove that everything has had a beginning that we could not even imagine.

It would be very interesting when scince would prove that God exists, why not?

[Astargath]

I don't see why it has to be a ''who'' that's your first assumption and it's wrong.

Your assumption that I am assuming anything is wrong. You are a compilation of many parts, just like a rock. But the complexity of the way your parts are arranged is what makes you a "who." The complexity of the universe is the thing that shows the Maker to be a "Who"... or maybe you are not a "who?"

Your second assumption is saying it's god because... you don't really have any evidence that it's god but it has to be, right? That's your second assumption and it's wrong.

You are wrong again about me having such an assumption. A god would be someone who is superhuman. So, when you have Someone Who made and upholds the whole complexity of the universe, that not only is God in the simplicity of simple minded people who use our language and thinking, but when we contemplate God deeply, we see that "He" is SuperGod way beyond all understanding... beyond any super-alien we have imagined, who might have super abilities.

Your design argument has been debunked many times throughout history, it's nothing new, it's the same flawed argument. The ''everything has a cause'' argument has been debunked as well, it's called the kalam argument, I believe.

https://www.alternet.org/story/145822/why_%27everything_has_a_cause%27_is_a_terrible_justification_for_god%27s_existence
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_design

The "everything has a cause" argument is simply something you are using, here, inappropriately. The thing your so-called debunkers are saying is, "We have not seen the cause of everything, therefore we don't know for a fact that everything has a cause." So, there is a difference between what you are suggesting, and what your debunkers are saying.

There are three major points that so strongly suggest that causation is universal, that everybody understands that it is universal. These points are:
1. The gigantic quantity of existing cause and effect actions;
2. The fact that there has not even been one effect that has been shown to have come about by something other than a cause;
3. That the logic of an effect without a cause is not something that fits or makes sense regarding our universe.

You are simply not understanding correctly, the things that are being said in the links that you provided.



EDIT: Your links are so extremely full of assumptions that they totally invalidate themselves. It's like the authors are doing the exact thing that they are other people of doing. The difference is that they are assuming way more, and in a way that shows that they are either blind to this fact, or that they are trying to use troll-like propaganda on people. If you happen to be a sincere person, and you read crap like this, no wonder you think that simply because you might be able to out talk someone, is the reason that you are correct.

and yet none of your 3 points show that the first cause is god which is what you are assuming happened which is the problem with your assumptions.

[sirazimuth]

 no wonder you think that simply because you might be able to out talk someone, is the reason that you are correct.

good lord!!!  like you haven't been doing just that in this thread for what...4 years or so now?....

[Vod]

 no wonder you think that simply because you might be able to out talk someone, is the reason that you are correct.

good lord!!!  like you haven't been doing just that in this thread for what...4 years or so now?....

We are all guilty of continuing it as well.  We all know he is wrong - why do we continue to entertain him?