Scientific proof that God exists?

[Astargath]

With due respect and recognition to the scientist Charles Darwin for his works and theory, I would say he really did a good job. But as of now I really believe that the theory about evolution had something missing. I am confused why we still have seen monkeys? Why is it that people are not looking like monkeys or monkeys looking to evolve more like to become human. How many years have we been with these animals and why are they still the same? Or why are we still the same. I think the proofs mentioned could be more interesting since we are talking more about genes.

I think you are confused about what thread you are in. If you really have those questions, why don't you just google it? It takes you 20 seconds to google ''why are there still monkeys if we evolved'' which is by the way one of the stupidest arguments ''against evolution''.

That's the point. None of the explanations are anywhere near conclusive. They are all ideas. Some of them seem logical on the surface. But none of them are logical enough to answer the question. Most of them use explanations full of assumptions that bring up more questions than they could ever hope to answer. The reason for this is that evolution is a hoax.

There are only two answers about where life and everything came from. The first is God, taken from eye witness accounts that go back to the beginning. This isn't proof. But it is eye witnesses.

The other is evolution. But evolution is just a story that has many holes in it. All but a very few of the holes are anything more than simple stories that many people have joined over time, but no proof.

We have eye witness reports, and stories that don't make sense because they don't fit reality.

None of your explanations about why god is real are conclusive either and they are all ideas so what's your point? It's actually quite simple, the answer to ''why are there still monkeys'' is: monkeys and humans evolved from a common ancestor which is proved to be true thanks to genetics. It's true that scientists still have to all agree on what the timeline is exactly (which it's quite hard unless we can time travel)

All you are saying is that science will never be conclusive in any area, because nobody knows that sometime in the future, the best and most trusted science won't change because of some currently unknown factor. Yet we trust science that is clear and abundant, especially when it is simple, and existent in many forms.

The science of cause and effect, entropy and complexity, which prove God exists, is science that is readily seen in simple form, and is available all over the place in billions or trillions of forms and observations. At the same time, nothing that we observe has been proven to entirely escape C&E, entropy or complexity.

The science of evolution has never been observed without a large amount of explanation that is not known to be a correct interpretation of what is being observed. And actually, all of the so-called evolution observations can be much more easily interpreted to have their existence because of things other than evolution.

''taken from eye witness accounts that go back to the beginning. This isn't proof. But it is eye witnesses.'' No it's not, you have to prove those eye witness existed otherwise every religious book has eye witnesses talking about different gods.

All you are saying is that we don't have any proof, but we have eye witness accounts.

The firm mindset of the nation of Israel in recording and reporting their family history is proof of Bible truth. The point that Israel, one of the smallest nations of the world, yet one of the strongest, which has been around for 3,500 years (longer if you count their roots in Abraham), is proof that God is doing something powerful to show us His Word has strength.

You seem to want to exemplify a bunch of inconclusive evolution talk, talk which shows its assumptive quality right within itself, rather than accept the exceedingly strong scientific points of C&E, entropy, complexity, machine quality of the universe, and the science history of Israel and the Bible.

God is reality. The Bible is proven to be His Word. Evolution is dis-proven by its own writings, by science, by nature, and by the Bible.

Your talk is simply opposition to the truth.

''All you are saying is that we don't have any proof, but we have eye witness accounts. '' No we don't, you claim we do but how do you know it? Have you talked to someone that saw God? And even if you did, why believe him?

Genetics, biology, fossils and DNA prove evolution is real.

''The science of cause and effect, entropy and complexity, which prove God exists'' You think those 3 things prove god exists but they don't as shown before many times. You already believed in God before knowing anything about entropy or cause and effect, then you found those 3 things and convinced yourself that they are the proof for God without realizing that you already believed in God before that.

None of those 3 things prove god exists, they could prove at most that the universe has a beginning but they provide 0 information about what or who created it. Keep telling yourself is god.

And remember to kill everyone who works on the sabbath and you can have slaves.

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[BADecker]

With due respect and recognition to the scientist Charles Darwin for his works and theory, I would say he really did a good job. But as of now I really believe that the theory about evolution had something missing. I am confused why we still have seen monkeys? Why is it that people are not looking like monkeys or monkeys looking to evolve more like to become human. How many years have we been with these animals and why are they still the same? Or why are we still the same. I think the proofs mentioned could be more interesting since we are talking more about genes.

I think you are confused about what thread you are in. If you really have those questions, why don't you just google it? It takes you 20 seconds to google ''why are there still monkeys if we evolved'' which is by the way one of the stupidest arguments ''against evolution''.

That's the point. None of the explanations are anywhere near conclusive. They are all ideas. Some of them seem logical on the surface. But none of them are logical enough to answer the question. Most of them use explanations full of assumptions that bring up more questions than they could ever hope to answer. The reason for this is that evolution is a hoax.

There are only two answers about where life and everything came from. The first is God, taken from eye witness accounts that go back to the beginning. This isn't proof. But it is eye witnesses.

The other is evolution. But evolution is just a story that has many holes in it. All but a very few of the holes are anything more than simple stories that many people have joined over time, but no proof.

We have eye witness reports, and stories that don't make sense because they don't fit reality.

None of your explanations about why god is real are conclusive either and they are all ideas so what's your point? It's actually quite simple, the answer to ''why are there still monkeys'' is: monkeys and humans evolved from a common ancestor which is proved to be true thanks to genetics. It's true that scientists still have to all agree on what the timeline is exactly (which it's quite hard unless we can time travel)

All you are saying is that science will never be conclusive in any area, because nobody knows that sometime in the future, the best and most trusted science won't change because of some currently unknown factor. Yet we trust science that is clear and abundant, especially when it is simple, and existent in many forms.

The science of cause and effect, entropy and complexity, which prove God exists, is science that is readily seen in simple form, and is available all over the place in billions or trillions of forms and observations. At the same time, nothing that we observe has been proven to entirely escape C&E, entropy or complexity.

The science of evolution has never been observed without a large amount of explanation that is not known to be a correct interpretation of what is being observed. And actually, all of the so-called evolution observations can be much more easily interpreted to have their existence because of things other than evolution.

''taken from eye witness accounts that go back to the beginning. This isn't proof. But it is eye witnesses.'' No it's not, you have to prove those eye witness existed otherwise every religious book has eye witnesses talking about different gods.

All you are saying is that we don't have any proof, but we have eye witness accounts.

The firm mindset of the nation of Israel in recording and reporting their family history is proof of Bible truth. The point that Israel, one of the smallest nations of the world, yet one of the strongest, which has been around for 3,500 years (longer if you count their roots in Abraham), is proof that God is doing something powerful to show us His Word has strength.

You seem to want to exemplify a bunch of inconclusive evolution talk, talk which shows its assumptive quality right within itself, rather than accept the exceedingly strong scientific points of C&E, entropy, complexity, machine quality of the universe, and the science history of Israel and the Bible.

God is reality. The Bible is proven to be His Word. Evolution is dis-proven by its own writings, by science, by nature, and by the Bible.

Your talk is simply opposition to the truth.

''All you are saying is that we don't have any proof, but we have eye witness accounts. '' No we don't, you claim we do but how do you know it? Have you talked to someone that saw God? And even if you did, why believe him?

I explained how it works, in my post you quoted, directly above your post that I am now responding to.

Genetics, biology, fossils and DNA prove evolution is real.

These aren't proof for evolution. Why not? Because they could be proof for non-evolutionary adaptation much more easily. It all has to do with someone arbitrarily explaining them as part of evolution, because he wants to.

''The science of cause and effect, entropy and complexity, which prove God exists'' You think those 3 things prove god exists but they don't as shown before many times. You already believed in God before knowing anything about entropy or cause and effect, then you found those 3 things and convinced yourself that they are the proof for God without realizing that you already believed in God before that.

The thing that is interesting is that I can explain how they must prove God's existence, but you can't even explain any way they could exist together without God.

None of those 3 things prove god exists, they could prove at most that the universe has a beginning but they provide 0 information about what or who created it. Keep telling yourself is god.

Just because they don't describe the substance of God, doesn't mean that they don't prove that God exists. After all, the things of the universe prove that empty-space/emptiness/nothingness exists. Yet none of the things of the universe explain what the substance of emptiness/nothingness/empty-space is. Even math has a difficult time getting even a little handle on it. The way the universe exists shows that both God and emptiness exist, without describing the substance of either.

And remember to kill everyone who works on the sabbath and you can have slaves.

When you are the owner, you have the right to do with your property what you wish. Be glad that God is merciful with you and all people. If He weren't, you would have been destroyed long ago for your obstinacy towards Him. And He would be righteous in destroying you for anything or for nothing. After all, you are His property lock, stock, and barrel.

[Astargath]

Badecker thinks slavery is ok because if you are the ''owner'' of something you can do whatever you want with it, he also thinks homosexuality is bad. Obviously the bible is an amazing moral guide, isn't it? I can kill my dog if I want to, right badecker?

''These aren't proof for evolution. Why not? Because they could be proof for non-evolutionary adaptation much more easily'' And C&E, entropy and complexity could be proof for literally anything you can imagine, like different gods or advanced alien civilizations or a computer simulation.

''I explained how it works, in my post you quoted, directly above your post that I am now responding to.'' Nope. You read a book, which claims that god exists. How do you know what is said in the book is real? You don't.

[BADecker]

I remember when I was in grade 8, my former teacher said that "God is like the wind, you can't see but you can feel his presence"

I feel the presence of Zeus, therefore Zeus is real, thanks for proving that Zeus is real. Everyone says they ''feel'' their god and yet not all of them can be real at the same time, can they?

Which Zeus? When you watch the latest Wonder Woman movies, Zeus is shown to be something made up by people who make the movies. Besides, Zeus doesn't fit the God Who operates through cause and effect.

There are many things about the God of the Bible that can't be proven by human abilities. That's where faith comes it, because the existence and power of God have been proven by science, and witnessed by the witnesses who wrote the Bible.

Zeus isn't God, but the God of the Bible is. Your feelings pushed you in the wrong direction this time. Oops! I mean all the time.

[Astargath]

I remember when I was in grade 8, my former teacher said that "God is like the wind, you can't see but you can feel his presence"

I feel the presence of Zeus, therefore Zeus is real, thanks for proving that Zeus is real. Everyone says they ''feel'' their god and yet not all of them can be real at the same time, can they?

Which Zeus? When you watch the latest Wonder Woman movies, Zeus is shown to be something made up by people who make the movies. Besides, Zeus doesn't fit the God Who operates through cause and effect.

There are many things about the God of the Bible that can't be proven by human abilities. That's where faith comes it, because the existence and power of God have been proven by sci3ence, and witnessed by the witnesses who wrote the Bible.

Zeus isn't God, but the God of the Bible is. Your feelings pushed you in the wrong direction this time. Oops! I mean all the time.

The bible is true because god says the bible is true therefore god exists. Eye witnesses that claim to have seen god are real because a book says so, therefore it has to be true.

[BADecker]

Badecker thinks slavery is ok because if you are the ''owner'' of something you can do whatever you want with it, he also thinks homosexuality is bad. Obviously the bible is an amazing moral guide, isn't it? I can kill my dog if I want to, right badecker?

''These aren't proof for evolution. Why not? Because they could be proof for non-evolutionary adaptation much more easily'' And C&E, entropy and complexity could be proof for literally anything you can imagine, like different gods or advanced alien civilizations or a computer simulation.

''I explained how it works, in my post you quoted, directly above your post that I am now responding to.'' Nope. You read a book, which claims that god exists. How do you know what is said in the book is real? You don't.

You constantly want to be mixed up. There is no evidence in nature for anything other than the right to do with one's property what he wants. We even have the saying, "Might makes right." And kids all over the place use the saying, "I owned you," when they beat someone in a game. Be glad God is being merciful with you, because He owns you.

C&E, entropy, and complexity, as they are combined in our universe, are proof for the existence of God. Note that I said "existence." I didn't say "description." Whatever the Thing is that works the C&E, complexity, and entropy in the universe, it is God. Why don't you look on the positive side rather than continuing to play with words? Start to look for the rest of the scientific details about God, rather than attempting to deny the existence of C&E, or entropy, or complexity.

You know that some of what is said in the Bible is real, because of the miraculous way the Bible came into existence, and the way the nation of Israel has impacted the world, just as explained in the Bible. The most important thing that we know from the Bible is that God is real, and that He talks to us through the Bible. He tells us that we need to accept His things that we don't know are real, on faith, because He said them.

But we accept things on faith all the time, anyway. For example. Part of the reason we attempt to take our next breath is because we have a natural faith that there is going to be air for us to breathe. Since we are living on faith, and our faith bears out the fact of the existence of air and our ability to breathe it, why fight the reality of the existence of God and His power? Why fight believing the things that He says in His Word about the fact that we will never understand everything about Him in this life?

Your religious conviction that God doesn't exist flies in the face of science and nature that shows that He does exist.

[BADecker]

I remember when I was in grade 8, my former teacher said that "God is like the wind, you can't see but you can feel his presence"

I feel the presence of Zeus, therefore Zeus is real, thanks for proving that Zeus is real. Everyone says they ''feel'' their god and yet not all of them can be real at the same time, can they?

Which Zeus? When you watch the latest Wonder Woman movies, Zeus is shown to be something made up by people who make the movies. Besides, Zeus doesn't fit the God Who operates through cause and effect.

There are many things about the God of the Bible that can't be proven by human abilities. That's where faith comes it, because the existence and power of God have been proven by sci3ence, and witnessed by the witnesses who wrote the Bible.

Zeus isn't God, but the God of the Bible is. Your feelings pushed you in the wrong direction this time. Oops! I mean all the time.

The bible is true because god says the bible is true therefore god exists. Eye witnesses that claim to have seen god are real because a book says so, therefore it has to be true.

Since that ^^^ is what you are expressing to believe and understand, why not place the word "god" in caps, like it should be, and so honor Him like you should?

[AccsBuySell]

I actually want to also see some proof but onlines are all bunch of edited pics etc

[BADecker]

I actually want to also see some proof but onlines are all bunch of edited pics etc

You will have to think about this to understand, but the proof is shown herein:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

[belphegory]

Badecker it really is pointless trying to reason with you. Your delusions are irreversible. Wrong and irreversible.

And how dare you include me in your religious delusion.

I refute, refuse and spit on your so called authority over me....your god does not own me cos your silly book of old toilet paper says so. I could also write on a paper napkin that the Flying Spaghetti Monster owns everything in the universe. Its written...therefore it must be true.......There, you now belong to Him.

And once again you are arguing from a fallacy : https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

You want to see your god in everything...fine, go right ahead. But leave other people out of your delusions.

[BADecker]

Badecker it really is pointless trying to reason with you. Your delusions are irreversible. Wrong and irreversible.

And how dare you include me in your religious delusion.

I refute, refuse and spit on your so called authority over me....your god does not own me cos your silly book of old toilet paper says so. I could also write on a paper napkin that the Flying Spaghetti Monster owns everything in the universe. Its written...therefore it must be true.......There, you now belong to Him.

And once again you are arguing from a fallacy : https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

You want to see your god in everything...fine, go right ahead. But leave other people out of your delusions.

My delusions might be wrong and irreversible, but the fact that science proves that God exists isn't one of them.

The fact that God exists isn't religion. Religion is something that we don't really know, but have to take on faith or trust. Since I know that God exists, scientifically, it is you who are including yourself in potential non-facts, which you call a religion because you don't understand the science involved. So it isn't my religion. It's yours.

My authority over you is close to nothing. If you spit on it, and refuse it, then you must be accepting, or at least inviting, greater authority over you.

My God is the God of the universe. Are you trying to push yourself out of the universe? Just because you don't know that He owns you, doesn't mean He doesn't.

Just because you write on a napkin "the Flying Spaghetti Monster owns everything in the universe. Its written...therefore it must be true," doesn't mean that it is true. For example. You might think that you know that Big Bang is real. But if you don't understand BB math, you really only believe, and BB is really only a religion for you. Someone else who knows the math might know that BB could actually be real.

The point is, you are talking religion in this science thread.

[Astargath]

Badecker it really is pointless trying to reason with you. Your delusions are irreversible. Wrong and irreversible.

And how dare you include me in your religious delusion.

I refute, refuse and spit on your so called authority over me....your god does not own me cos your silly book of old toilet paper says so. I could also write on a paper napkin that the Flying Spaghetti Monster owns everything in the universe. Its written...therefore it must be true.......There, you now belong to Him.

And once again you are arguing from a fallacy : https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

You want to see your god in everything...fine, go right ahead. But leave other people out of your delusions.

My delusions might be wrong and irreversible, but the fact that science proves that God exists isn't one of them.

The fact that God exists isn't religion. Religion is something that we don't really know, but have to take on faith or trust. Since I know that God exists, scientifically, it is you who are including yourself in potential non-facts, which you call a religion because you don't understand the science involved. So it isn't my religion. It's yours.

My authority over you is close to nothing. If you spit on it, and refuse it, then you must be accepting, or at least inviting, greater authority over you.

My God is the God of the universe. Are you trying to push yourself out of the universe? Just because you don't know that He owns you, doesn't mean He doesn't.

Just because you write on a napkin "the Flying Spaghetti Monster owns everything in the universe. Its written...therefore it must be true," doesn't mean that it is true. For example. You might think that you know that Big Bang is real. But if you don't understand BB math, you really only believe, and BB is really only a religion for you. Someone else who knows the math might know that BB could actually be real.

The point is, you are talking religion in this science thread.

You keep claiming that science proves god exists yet I have never seen a scientific theory, hypothesis or anything related to ''god'', have you? How come we have so many fake (as you claim) scientific theories like evolution with a ton of evidence behind it and yet not a single one for god, seems strange to me.

[belphegory]

My delusions might be wrong and irreversible

I'm glad you acknowledge that. Just carry on in that line of thinking. Expand it, feed it...the truth will set you free.

but the fact that science proves that God exists isn't one of them.

Ah right...now this is a problem......what FACT exactly? Your belief in something does not make anything TRUE.

EG: I could BELIEVE the distance to Jupiter is 300 million kilometers away....I could believe this so strongly I would testify under oath....it still does not make it TRUE when the actual distance is 588 million kilometers. Don't you want to believe in things that are TRUE? Don't you think believing things that are TRUE would be more beneficial as opposed to things that you would like to be true....but still aren't?

The fact that God exists isn't religion.

Again, your beliefs are presupposed here.

Religion is something that we don't really know, but have to take on faith or trust. Since I know that God exists, scientifically,

You have just admitted that having religion means that you don't know....but yet are stating....(as a fact that cannot be verified by anyone else) that YOU know god exists....and scientifically at that...wow did you find something that can be proven, demonstrable, quantifiable, testable and repeatable that thousands of other scientific people have somehow missed???

 

it is you who are including yourself in potential non-facts, which you call a religion because you don't understand the science involved. So it isn't my religion. It's yours.

This makes no sense. Religion =  faith. Science = facts. Religion = worshipping and giving thanks to an imaginary being for imaginary deeds. Science = not worshipping gravity cos facts state it is F = Gm1m2/r2.

My authority over you is close to nothing. If you spit on it, and refuse it, then you must be accepting, or at least inviting, greater authority over you.

Actually not. Im rejecting the very idea....the thought...the inkling of an idea.  

My God is the God of the universe. Are you trying to push yourself out of the universe? Just because you don't know that He owns you, doesn't mean He doesn't.

Yet again...presupposing YOUR beliefs. Clearly my universe which I am currently existing in is different to your universe, which seems to have no room for you, as its taken up by an egomaniacal, pompous windbag.....who has no self esteem and relies on everyone else telling him how great he is.

Just because you write on a napkin "the Flying Spaghetti Monster owns everything in the universe. Its written...therefore it must be true," doesn't mean that it is true

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Pot calling the kettle black much???

For example. You might think that you know that Big Bang is real. But if you don't understand BB math, you really only believe, and BB is really only a religion for you. Someone else who knows the math might know that BB could actually be real.

Technically i'm agnostic on the idea of a big bang.....so moot point.

The point is, you are talking religion in this science thread.

And yet your the one throwing science as a religion? Contradiction much?

Science is NOT a religion. Science can back its statements with FACTS. Religion on the other hand...cannot.

Yes I might be taking it on faith that things I have not personally seen and run tests on exist in science, like the diameter of the Sun? I'm taking it on faith that the distance to Jupiter is 588 million kilometers...but other people have run tests....and they have confirmed it using science and scientific methods with equipment
that can verify it....over and over again.

Scientific proof for god...... still none.

[Blinkstar]

Words "scientific", "proof", "god" and "exists" altogether form a funny joke

[BADecker]

Badecker it really is pointless trying to reason with you. Your delusions are irreversible. Wrong and irreversible.

And how dare you include me in your religious delusion.

I refute, refuse and spit on your so called authority over me....your god does not own me cos your silly book of old toilet paper says so. I could also write on a paper napkin that the Flying Spaghetti Monster owns everything in the universe. Its written...therefore it must be true.......There, you now belong to Him.

And once again you are arguing from a fallacy : https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

You want to see your god in everything...fine, go right ahead. But leave other people out of your delusions.

My delusions might be wrong and irreversible, but the fact that science proves that God exists isn't one of them.

The fact that God exists isn't religion. Religion is something that we don't really know, but have to take on faith or trust. Since I know that God exists, scientifically, it is you who are including yourself in potential non-facts, which you call a religion because you don't understand the science involved. So it isn't my religion. It's yours.

My authority over you is close to nothing. If you spit on it, and refuse it, then you must be accepting, or at least inviting, greater authority over you.

My God is the God of the universe. Are you trying to push yourself out of the universe? Just because you don't know that He owns you, doesn't mean He doesn't.

Just because you write on a napkin "the Flying Spaghetti Monster owns everything in the universe. Its written...therefore it must be true," doesn't mean that it is true. For example. You might think that you know that Big Bang is real. But if you don't understand BB math, you really only believe, and BB is really only a religion for you. Someone else who knows the math might know that BB could actually be real.

The point is, you are talking religion in this science thread.

You keep claiming that science proves god exists yet I have never seen a scientific theory, hypothesis or anything related to ''god'', have you? How come we have so many fake (as you claim) scientific theories like evolution with a ton of evidence behind it and yet not a single one for god, seems strange to me.

That's because we are at the conclusion of the proof. The evidence is so exceedingly overwhelming in C&E, entropy, and complexity, that you might as well waste time on formulating hypotheses and theories about it. Go ahead if you want.

[BADecker]

My delusions might be wrong and irreversible

I'm glad you acknowledge that. Just carry on in that line of thinking. Expand it, feed it...the truth will set you free.

Why are you focusing on my delusions? You know nothing about them. And, they aren't part of this thread.

but the fact that science proves that God exists isn't one of them.

Ah right...now this is a problem......what FACT exactly? Your belief in something does not make anything TRUE.

That's the point, and I explained it already. Your belief against something doesn't make your belief true. Again, the example is your belief in Big Bang. You believe it is true because your want to, or because you like believing other people who say it is true. You don't know BB is true because you don't understand the math. Believing it doesn't make it true.

EG: I could BELIEVE the distance to Jupiter is 300 million kilometers away....I could believe this so strongly I would testify under oath....it still does not make it TRUE when the actual distance is 588 million kilometers. Don't you want to believe in things that are TRUE? Don't you think believing things that are TRUE would be more beneficial as opposed to things that you would like to be true....but still aren't?

Same with the scientific proof for the existence of God. If you don't understand the proof - be it for or against - all you have is a belief. It seems that you and Astargath don't understand the proof for the existence of God, because you don't understand your own proof against the existence of God enough to explain it. Both of you are entirely talking religion. So, it is religion for you, but for those who understand, it is knowledge.

The fact that God exists isn't religion.

Again, your beliefs are presupposed here.

No. It is your beliefs, because you are the one talking about belief without showing proof for what you say.

Religion is something that we don't really know, but have to take on faith or trust. Since I know that God exists, scientifically,

You have just admitted that having religion means that you don't know....but yet are stating....(as a fact that cannot be verified by anyone else) that YOU know god exists....and scientifically at that...wow did you find something that can be proven, demonstrable, quantifiable, testable and repeatable that thousands of other scientific people have somehow missed???

How do you know that it has not been verified by anyone else? Before the apple hit Isaac Newton on the head, there might not have been any theories for gravity. If Newton was the first, he was the first. There has to be a first, if it exists.

What does having a religion or not, have to do with the fact that God exists? It is simply a religion for you due to your unwillingness or inability to understand the proof. Since I understand the proof, and can explain it, and have explained it, it is not a religion for me. Just because I have certain religious beliefs, does not mean that they include the things I have factual knowledge of. Same for you.

 

it is you who are including yourself in potential non-facts, which you call a religion because you don't understand the science involved. So it isn't my religion. It's yours.

This makes no sense. Religion =  faith. Science = facts. Religion = worshipping and giving thanks to an imaginary being for imaginary deeds. Science = not worshipping gravity cos facts state it is F = Gm1m2/r2.

Faith is all inclusive, because we all live by faith. This means we all have religion.

Science theory and hypotheses are not always facts. So science is not always facts.

There are formal religions that do not include a being to be worshiped. Buddhism is one example. Another example is the faith that we all live by all the time, as I stated in the paragraph above this one.

LOL. People know that gravity exists because it is around them all the time. They use it everyday. Scientific theories and formulas for gravity may or may not have anything to do with the fact of gravity. Gravity, being fact, doesn't necessarily have anything to do with science. Why? Because gravity was known to exist long before science came along. When you talk about gravity here, your density is starting to match that of notbatman in the FE thread.

My authority over you is close to nothing. If you spit on it, and refuse it, then you must be accepting, or at least inviting, greater authority over you.

Actually not. Im rejecting the very idea....the thought...the inkling of an idea.  

The fact that you respond to my posts is allowing a little of my authority over you. Now you are inviting more. Why do you immerse yourself in things that you detest so much? You are submersing yourself in my authority and continuing to ask for more.

My God is the God of the universe. Are you trying to push yourself out of the universe? Just because you don't know that He owns you, doesn't mean He doesn't.

Yet again...presupposing YOUR beliefs. Clearly my universe which I am currently existing in is different to your universe, which seems to have no room for you, as its taken up by an egomaniacal, pompous windbag.....who has no self esteem and relies on everyone else telling him how great he is.

Actually, this might be true. There is some interpretation of parallel universe theory that suggests that spiritually speaking, we might all be in our own universe. But that concept is way beyond anything that this forum is capable of handling, and certainly this thread.

Just because you write on a napkin "the Flying Spaghetti Monster owns everything in the universe. Its written...therefore it must be true," doesn't mean that it is true

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Pot calling the kettle black much???

Well, do you have scientific proof for it? I mean, can you show the scientific proof? Showing it doesn't mean I will understand it. But if you literally have proof for it, the least you could do is show the proof as I have shown the proof for the existence of God.

For example. You might think that you know that Big Bang is real. But if you don't understand BB math, you really only believe, and BB is really only a religion for you. Someone else who knows the math might know that BB could actually be real.

Technically i'm agnostic on the idea of a big bang.....so moot point.

However, BB was only an example. If there is any point in science that has been proven to you, based on someone telling it to you, or on your reading of it in a book or somewhere, without the understanding on your part of how it is a fact, then it is part of your religion... a religious belief for you... even if it is believed by millions of others, and known by still other millions.

The point is, you are talking religion in this science thread.

And yet your the one throwing science as a religion? Contradiction much?

Science is NOT a religion. Science can back its statements with FACTS. Religion on the other hand...cannot.

Yes I might be taking it on faith that things I have not personally seen and run tests on exist in science, like the diameter of the Sun? I'm taking it on faith that the distance to Jupiter is 588 million kilometers...but other people have run tests....and they have confirmed it using science and scientific methods with equipment
that can verify it....over and over again.

People at church believe the priest or minister when they are told things about the particular religion. They often don't know if what they are being told is true or not. Yet they believe (or not). If you don't have and understand the proof for things like the diameter of the sun, or the distance to Jupiter, but have only believed what others have said, then it is all religion for you, even if it is 100% true and factual.

Scientific proof for god...... still none.

The scientific proof for the existence of God might not be understandable to you, just like other scientific fact might not be understandable to you. We are in a forum. So, you have the right to state that you don't believe something, even in a "proof" thread. But if you are absolutely sure, show the proof. At least Astargath attempts to show the proof that God doesn't exist a little, or that the proof that He exists is faulty. All you do is blab religion.

[Astargath]

Badecker it really is pointless trying to reason with you. Your delusions are irreversible. Wrong and irreversible.

And how dare you include me in your religious delusion.

I refute, refuse and spit on your so called authority over me....your god does not own me cos your silly book of old toilet paper says so. I could also write on a paper napkin that the Flying Spaghetti Monster owns everything in the universe. Its written...therefore it must be true.......There, you now belong to Him.

And once again you are arguing from a fallacy : https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

You want to see your god in everything...fine, go right ahead. But leave other people out of your delusions.

My delusions might be wrong and irreversible, but the fact that science proves that God exists isn't one of them.

The fact that God exists isn't religion. Religion is something that we don't really know, but have to take on faith or trust. Since I know that God exists, scientifically, it is you who are including yourself in potential non-facts, which you call a religion because you don't understand the science involved. So it isn't my religion. It's yours.

My authority over you is close to nothing. If you spit on it, and refuse it, then you must be accepting, or at least inviting, greater authority over you.

My God is the God of the universe. Are you trying to push yourself out of the universe? Just because you don't know that He owns you, doesn't mean He doesn't.

Just because you write on a napkin "the Flying Spaghetti Monster owns everything in the universe. Its written...therefore it must be true," doesn't mean that it is true. For example. You might think that you know that Big Bang is real. But if you don't understand BB math, you really only believe, and BB is really only a religion for you. Someone else who knows the math might know that BB could actually be real.

The point is, you are talking religion in this science thread.

You keep claiming that science proves god exists yet I have never seen a scientific theory, hypothesis or anything related to ''god'', have you? How come we have so many fake (as you claim) scientific theories like evolution with a ton of evidence behind it and yet not a single one for god, seems strange to me.

That's because we are at the conclusion of the proof. The evidence is so exceedingly overwhelming in C&E, entropy, and complexity, that you might as well waste time on formulating hypotheses and theories about it. Go ahead if you want.

If it's so exceedingly overwhelming, as you claim, again, why is there no scientific theory? Oh, because it's a waste of time, give me a break with your stupid excuses. How come we have a scientific theory for evolution then? Gravity? Oh yeah, scientists couldn't bother to make one for god, right? Who cares about a supernatural god that created the universe, am I right? They just didn't bother, that's what you are saying. You are a fucking joke lol.

[Gragal]

scientific proof that the god there may be in giving me sustenance and also given a smooth when there is a problem.

[BADecker]

Badecker it really is pointless trying to reason with you. Your delusions are irreversible. Wrong and irreversible.

And how dare you include me in your religious delusion.

I refute, refuse and spit on your so called authority over me....your god does not own me cos your silly book of old toilet paper says so. I could also write on a paper napkin that the Flying Spaghetti Monster owns everything in the universe. Its written...therefore it must be true.......There, you now belong to Him.

And once again you are arguing from a fallacy : https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

You want to see your god in everything...fine, go right ahead. But leave other people out of your delusions.

My delusions might be wrong and irreversible, but the fact that science proves that God exists isn't one of them.

The fact that God exists isn't religion. Religion is something that we don't really know, but have to take on faith or trust. Since I know that God exists, scientifically, it is you who are including yourself in potential non-facts, which you call a religion because you don't understand the science involved. So it isn't my religion. It's yours.

My authority over you is close to nothing. If you spit on it, and refuse it, then you must be accepting, or at least inviting, greater authority over you.

My God is the God of the universe. Are you trying to push yourself out of the universe? Just because you don't know that He owns you, doesn't mean He doesn't.

Just because you write on a napkin "the Flying Spaghetti Monster owns everything in the universe. Its written...therefore it must be true," doesn't mean that it is true. For example. You might think that you know that Big Bang is real. But if you don't understand BB math, you really only believe, and BB is really only a religion for you. Someone else who knows the math might know that BB could actually be real.

The point is, you are talking religion in this science thread.

You keep claiming that science proves god exists yet I have never seen a scientific theory, hypothesis or anything related to ''god'', have you? How come we have so many fake (as you claim) scientific theories like evolution with a ton of evidence behind it and yet not a single one for god, seems strange to me.

That's because we are at the conclusion of the proof. The evidence is so exceedingly overwhelming in C&E, entropy, and complexity, that you might as well waste time on formulating hypotheses and theories about it. Go ahead if you want.

If it's so exceedingly overwhelming, as you claim, again, why is there no scientific theory? Oh, because it's a waste of time, give me a break with your stupid excuses. How come we have a scientific theory for evolution then? Gravity? Oh yeah, scientists couldn't bother to make one for god, right? Who cares about a supernatural god that created the universe, am I right? They just didn't bother, that's what you are saying. You are a fucking joke lol.

LOL! See how well cause and effect works? You posted your post using all kinds of cause and effect operations, from your brain dictating what your fingers do at the keyboard, all the way up to the C&E flow of training that trained your brain to think of what to cause your fingers to type.

Thanks for asking a bunch of easy-to-answer questions.

BTW, when you have such an abundance of proof for the existence of God, like the scientists do, why would they want to make a theory for God? You ask such simplistic questions.

[sirazimuth]

With due respect and recognition to the scientist Charles Darwin for his works and theory, I would say he really did a good job. But as of now I really believe that the theory about evolution had something missing. I am confused why we still have seen monkeys? Why is it that people are not looking like monkeys or monkeys looking to evolve more like to become human. How many years have we been with these animals and why are they still the same? Or why are we still the same. I think the proofs mentioned could be more interesting since we are talking more about genes.

I think you are confused about what thread you are in. If you really have those questions, why don't you just google it? It takes you 20 seconds to google ''why are there still monkeys if we evolved'' which is by the way one of the stupidest arguments ''against evolution''.

That's the point. None of the explanations are anywhere near conclusive. They are all ideas. Some of them seem logical on the surface. But none of them are logical enough to answer the question. Most of them use explanations full of assumptions that bring up more questions than they could ever hope to answer. The reason for this is that evolution is a hoax.

There are only two answers about where life and everything came from. The first is God, taken from eye witness accounts that go back to the beginning. This isn't proof. But it is eye witnesses.

The other is evolution. But evolution is just a story that has many holes in it. All but a very few of the holes are anything more than simple stories that many people have joined over time, but no proof.

We have eye witness reports, and stories that don't make sense because they don't fit reality.

dude how can it be you are so smart, yet deny the most obvious evidence about evolution?
Me thinks its because you simply are in denial.  Don't be afraid of the truth dude. Stop preaching about your stupid invisible sky fairy, ffs

 no wonder you think that simply because you might be able to out talk someone, is the reason that you are correct.

good lord!!!  like you haven't been doing just that in this thread for what...4 years or so now?....

We are all guilty of continuing it as well.  We all know he is wrong - why do we continue to entertain him?

well sometimes when I've had a few, I just can't help myself... my bad... LOL