This is a video a lot of members of this forum could benefit from watching. It has implications beyond just politics as well. "Woke Leftists Fear Those Who Can't Be Canceled, Attempted Cancellation Makes People STRONGER" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fib16jOL7xc |
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OP: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5225031.0;allArchive: https://archive.is/s3bl2A rough summary of everything wrong with this auction and seller. 1. Self moderated auction thread 2. Attempts to justify trying to modify bid amounts based on what was clearly an invalid and erroneous bid based on the rules in his OP. 3. Accuses me of making threats to him in PM that never happened and he refuses to quote. 4. Posted several of my PMs without permission. 5. Making demands to have transaction information in spite of the fact that I agreed to have the escrow, Minerjones, hold both the payment and reship the bar. 6. Then violates his contractual agreement with me based on his demands for transaction information that were never part of the original agreement contract. Based on his behavior it is not unreasonable to ask for an escrow. I didn't agree to his choice of escrow, and I picked literally the most trusted escrow on the forum. He is making some strained argument that having my transaction information protects him to manufacture an excuse to violate our contractual agreement. Since he has already repeatedly demonstrated in this thread he has no concern for my privacy by posting my private messages multiple times without permission, I would say not trusting him with any personal information is perfectly reasonable. The fact is however, he is trusting Minerjones with his funds and with his product. He is literally trusting his word that he will pay him as promised, but some how he can't be trusted without him getting more of my private information. In summary this entire auction has been a clusterfuck that MagicByt3 refuses to take any responsibility for by accommodating reasonable demands for an escrow and privacy, and instead is opting to argue about things I even already agreed to. Apparently the fact that I even asked him for something he didn't want is a problem. His last post before he locked his thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5225031.msg53891804#msg53891804Not going to drag this out any longer.
I don't want to deal with you. Your own attitude towards me was terrible from the start from first contact in pm where you said and I quote.
"Your actions regarding your auction make me seriously question your reputability"
My actions have been in line with the terms of my sale at every point you have however seized on 1 small mistake and blown it up into this super topic when anything I say is wrong in you views.
If you don't trust me don't deal with me it's that simple.
As far as I am concerned I have proven my reputability by delivering 2 of the bars to a buyer.
The buyer is happy with the product and was kind enough to escrow it for Last of the V8's..
I don't want to deal with you Techsahre you made this out to be something It wasn't and my topic was hijacked and I was TOLD what bids were accepted and what one's were not from someone else.
You also didn't raise a concern about it during the sale at any point you knew fine well as per the listing how this was supposed to work but you seized on the confusion of one bidder to question my reputation so I don't want to deal with you..
If you can't see that it was a misunderstanding by the bidder on how the bids were to be done in this topic then that's you view.
But I do not want to deal with you or some escrow that won't prove any funds were sent.
If that is not acceptable to you then your bid is rejected.
locking this topic as it's just a waste of time talking to a brick wall..
Thank you to the two people who put some trust in me you really are stand up guys.
Magic I don't care what you want. You have a contract with me. An auction is an open contract to anyone who wants to make a bid, furthermore you explicitly accepted my bid. The auction didn't work the way you wanted it to so you want to violate the contract. I am not releasing you from your obligations under this contract. The way you conducted yourself DURING THE AUCTION is what caused me not to trust you. I had no way to know you would behave this way when I placed a bid. You don't get to unilaterally dismiss my bid because you are unhappy, that is not how auctions work. The fact that you fulfilled your obligations for 2 other people is not proof of your reputability, sorry. Your funds are waiting with literally the most trusted member on the forum, which you implicitly are trusting their word, because he would be holding your funds and your product, but in the same breath you claim you don't trust his word that he has the funds. You keep talking about this auction as if you get to define all of the terms after the fact. You don't. That's not how auctions or contracts work, which is exactly what everyone was trying to tell you when you attempted to enforce invalid bids. You are imposing unreasonable demands that you know I will not agree to in order to purposely violate your contractual obligation to me. This is not acceptable, and I am not going to just go away because you would rather be difficult. You have funds waiting for you with the most trusted escrow on the forum. All you have to do is ship him the bar and this will be over. I would rather not open a flag for you over this, but if you do not fulfill your contractual obligation to me I will. There is a lesson for you here, and you are going to learn it one way or another. I attempted to handle this in private with much less drama, but before I could even discuss it with you you were posting my PMs all over the thread. I have been exceptionally patient with you throughout this clusterfuck of an auction, but you have exhausted my patience. Ship the bar to Minerjones so we never have to interact again. Please. |
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 Testimonium Libertatem Iustitia It is well known that this forum is divided up into several cliques. Unfortunately this is a direct result of a tendency towards mob rule, and a system of might makes right that strips the individual of the ability to use this forum in peace free from harassment, threats, and intimidation. The forum trust system has become an unmitigated disaster, a textbook example of the failure of pure democracy, also known as mob rule. The failure of the management of these forum systems have allowed for the worst types of personalities to maintain an iron grip over the control of these systems, and entrench a culture of nepotism, retaliation, and constant infighting which is antithetical to the user base being able to exercise their free use of the forum, free speech, and free trade that it offers. The members of this mob rely on maintaining arbitrary unwritten rules in order to maintain a system of selective enforcement that enables them to stifle criticism, competition, and functions as a gate keeping mechanism under which none shall pass until the knee is bent and tribute is paid. The status quo is antithetical to everything Bitcoin was built to resist, and stands the original culture of this community on its head, making a total mockery of it. These reasons are why, today I introduce to you, The Objective Standards Guild. Core tenets:1. A standard of evidence of theft, violation of contractual agreement, or violation of applicable laws shall be documented in an objective and observable way before negative rating or flagging users. 2. Accusations without some form of documentation should be minimal. 3. Users who regularly and repeatedly ignore these standards should be excluded from trust lists. 4. Users who follow these standards should be included in trust lists. 5. Users who are subjected to accusations and ratings without any form of documentation should be defended and supported as much as possible. There is no inherent hierarchy. Anyone is free to call themselves a member of The Objective Standards Guild as long as they follow its tenets. Using the avatar below and linking to this thread in your signature is encouraged. Lets work together to bring a balance of power to this forum and check its culture of rampant and systemic abuse. Feel free to suggest your own inclusions and exclusions based on these standards. SUGGESTED INCLUSIONS:qwk monkeynuts Ticked figmentofmyass BayAreaCoins Lesbian Cow Rmcdermott927 teeGUMES bill gator LoyceV eddie13 hacker1001101001 DdmrDdmr iCEBREAKER
SUGGESTED EXCLUSIONS:~smoothie ~BitcoinEXpress ~Vod ~Foxpup ~ibminer ~TMAN ~Lauda ~Timelord2067 ~TheNewAnon135246 ~mindrust ~cryptodevil ~suchmoon ~owlcatz ~nutildah ~tmfp ~yahoo62278 ~Last of the V8s ~Lutpin ~TwitchySeal ~bob123 ~marlboroza ~blurryeyed ~nullius ~JollyGood ~mosprognoz ~DireWolfM14 EDIT YOUR TRUST LIST HEREEDIT: one of the primary purposes of this thread (IMO) is to say that the rest of the forum can have a vote too: you only need 10 earned merits and then you can participate and affect the default trust system by "voting" for objective/fair members and against biased/unfair members.even people who have been wronged by DT trust abuse can help to remove their abusers from DT. one of the crucial elements is that you must include members as well since a member's trust list must include 10+ users before they can be on DT1. so people need to do more than just exclude abusers and hope DT1 members do the same---they need to build bigger trust networks (with inclusions) so they can actually affect the DT1 lottery or be voted in themselves.this is a numbers game. if everyone keeps refusing to customize their trust list, then nothing will change. the same people will keep voting themselves onto DT1 and perpetuating the current system. Vires In Numeris.i also appreciate that TECSHARE has provided some reasonable cover for people who want to include/exclude people in the OP. on this forum, some DT members have been known to use their position to publicly/privately pressure other members into changing their trust lists. this culture of intimidation (combined with fear of DT retaliation) stifles honest usage of the trust system. perhaps OSG could allow us to create somewhat of a "united front", which DT abusers tend to enjoy, but which the abused never have the privilege of. |
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Another day, another user treating the trust system like a toy in a lame attempt to silence criticism. TMAN 2020-02-15 Reference " cyberbulying is a serious offence in many duristictions, plus this user is a prized fucking wanknozzle - repeated attempts to de escalate (as per theymos's request) were ignored, TS believes he is bigger than bitcoin - i have it on good authority he actually has a micropenis - check the link - do not trust anyone who behaves in such a bullying manner, this is not the old draconian DT way! fuck you, your mum, your dad and smell your pillow as I just wiped my shitty dick after taking it out your dads arse " ~TMAN |
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I found this DEFCON 27 talk covering what is called a "money mule" scam. This is a popular method of fraud you often see on the forum here as Bitcoin provides a convenient semi-anonymous outlet for the defrauded funds. One of the more popular ways they do this is direct shipping items from Amazon for example, using fraudulent credit cards or other methods. I thought this was something the users here should be aware of so they can protect themselves, as they would be legally receiving stolen property and potentially could personally be held accountable for these activities by unknowingly participating in this scam. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IT2oAzTcvU |
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It used to be this section would immediately chastise anyone for starting a self moderated topic here for any reason, as this is a section for discussion and debate of contentious issues, and curating people's speech is antithetical to the concept of open debate and discussion. In other sections where a specific goal or narrow topic is at hand this makes perfect sense to use self moderated topics. Here, its use is antithetical to the very concept of free speech. The internet is packed to the brim with outlets for censored and curated speech. This forum is one of the last remaining platforms where people can speak freely, and people who claim to be for free speech are throwing that right in the garbage can by normalizing the use of self moderated topics here.
What I see happening, and is already happening is people with weak ideas will simply run their own self moderated threads, then anyone who remains posting open threads will be allowed to be flooded with bullshit, resulting in the weak ideas being protected, and the open debate being pushed out by virtue of the fact that the same people who want to control the speech also will derail the open discussions. The solution to bad speech, is more free speech. Opening self moderated threads in Politics & Society is antithetical to free speech and discussion. All they have to do to get the free speech shut down is to shit up the open threads until people give up and self moderate them, and their goal of normalizing controlling and limiting speech is achieved either way. The only way to resist is to keep everything open and shun anyone who doesn't. Free speech is too valuable to be given up over petty annoyances. Don't start or participate in self moderated threads in Politics & Society. Don't submit to totalitarian harpies for a minor convenience.
EDIT: FYI- this was posted in Politics & Society originally. Considering it is addressing not only the forum subsection but the nature of free speech itself, I don't see why it was moved to Meta, but the local moderator there enjoys interfering with my activities there as much as he is able to. As usual, any chance he gets to act upon my posts are taken advantage of immediately while almost all the reports I make there go ignored.
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I am starting a log of my deleted posts here starting in December, as there has been a commensurate increase in my posts being removed in correlation with the coordinated attacks on me from a specific set of users. By the pattern of the removed posts, you will see the intent is harassment and preventing specific topics from being discussed. They mods are either just mindlessly removing them, or worse actively complicit in this behavior. I am posting these here so the general forum public can see the distinct pattern in the removed posts, how often many of them are on topic, as well as how arbitrary the pattern of removals is. Feel free to make another REEE: Thread™ if me having the ability to speak in this thread bothers you so much. This will remain locked to prevent topic sliding, since it is only a log of incidents. A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted. I am a pervert
We know. Nothing good will come of cherry picking quotes. OG was forced to start this trend to deflect from his theft. Think to yourself for a second Techy - if that is the only way you can make your point, is it really a valid point? Quoting to preserve and document the continuing loss of your grip on sanity. A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted. Of course you are the great and powerful Nutulduhhhh and you get to declare anyone who challenges your baseless conclusions as "dishonest" and "less than honorable", and your baseless conclusions as facts, then justify the use of the trust system in retribution for challenging this conclusion.
So much for your forgiveness speech in the OG Ponzi thread. Clean up your trust abuse, and others may follow. You mean the rating I left you for doxing and reporting OGNasty to the IRS that even Theymos agreed deserved a red tag? Unlike the accusations against OGNasty, the fact that you acted in this unacceptable way is not under debate. Remind me again what this has to do with the topic? Oh right nothing, not that you or the mods give a shit about that. I didn't say anything about forgiveness you fucking delusional nutbar, I said we need proof before we accuse people. A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted. This is why we need to end this atmosphere of guilty until proven innocent and digging into everyone's business just because some bored assholes have fantasies, suspicions, or vendettas or else privacy will be a thing of the past here.
Show us how it's done and remove your trust abuse. Then you won't be a hypocrite and people may listen to you. (BIG may) You mean the rating I left you for doxing and reporting OGNasty to the IRS that even Theymos agreed deserved a red tag? Unlike the accusations against OGNasty, the fact that you acted in this unacceptable way is not under debate. Remind me again what this has to do with the topic? Oh right nothing, not that you or the mods give a shit about that. A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic. There are no rules of self-moderation, so this deletion cannot be appealed. Do not continue posting in this topic if the topic-starter has requested that you leave. You can create a new topic if you are unsatisfied with this one. If the topic-starter is scamming, post about it in Scam Accusations. Again this, again hypocrisy[1]. Users who advocated against me for less-numerical cases of improper ratings are advocating neutrals or ignore. This is why this is turning into a joke, and some actual neutrals are getting sucked into it without even noticing their downfall (evil tends to corrupt and drag down everything and anything it can with it) and the damage that has been and will be inflicted as a consequence of this.
I voted negative, because he is not trustworthy and I will tag him again now. This is proper use of the fucking system, it even always has been. It has been in the old, more stricter trust system and it is in the current more lenient one and with lenient I mean the requirements for a negative are much more lenient than before. Have your brains turned into baboon poop? Note: I do like baboons regardless.
[1] hacker1001101001 & co. has been noted in this particular instance. I'll be removing off topic replies from this point.
Please continually archive this thread as you remove replies because above. Nullius, regardless your sarcasm, I have temper and I have that crazy Balkan mentality I don't suck balls like some people around here and I don't apologize for jokes no matter how hard "you" (scare quote) think they are and I definitely won't apologize for this. I am pretty damn much honest, when I said it was a joke it was a joke. It was a fucking joke FFS.
This is actually the worst thing you could do for yourself and for everyone else. Giving in to users like him only empowers them. So for fork sake: Do not apologize for any joke and ignore suggestions of this kind.
This has probably way crossed Type-1 flag requirements, but I'd have to check in with theymos to double check. Good job making this about you. You really are a loser with nothing better to do than harass people. A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted. Thanks for demonstrating how the mob handles criticism... with more mobbing. A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted. Thanks for demonstrating how your "opinions" doesn't apply to you.
Am I still pushing accusations against Koshgel and using my own accusations as references? Was I the first to accuse him? Is there even any controversy over the rating I left. No? Just more of the usual...  A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted. A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted. How does Theymos stating it's best to forgive make you an imaginary doctor, idiot? Stop your trust abuse. Your jealousy has no place on DT.  Did I imagine you doxing OGNasty and threatening to call the IRS on him Vod? A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted. Did I imagine you doxing OGNasty and threatening to call the IRS on him Vod?
I have no idea what you imagine - people cannot read other people's minds. Theymos asks you to forgive and you decide that makes you a doctor? Idiot.  Did you or did you not dox OGNasty and claim to report him to the IRS? A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted. Frankly in spite of my low expectations for people in general, I am amazed how many here think this has any substance to it whatsoever when it is literally nothing more than an accusation.
If you think so low of us, try leading by example and removing your trust abuse. You are an idiot, not a doctor, fortune teller or mind reader. Your skill set is limited to repackaging garbage and delivering it to your local post office. :/ No antipathy here! None whatsoever. Is this " contributing to the community"? A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted. A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted. Just more accusations stacked on top of old unsubstantiated accusations. No one can show anything demonstrable to support their claims, only a long string of accusations from people with personal issues. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=915823.msg53761336#msg53761336Lectures me about setting and example about "forgiveness" as he negative rates me. These two are having fun trying to reinforce each other's accusations without actually substantiating anything. A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted. Twitchy Seal as usual has to resort to selectively editing my quotes to try to cast aspersions and serve his political motives by engaging in shit slinging over forum issues. Notice his "quotes" aren't live. I wonder why that is, perhaps he doesn't want you to read what I ACTUALLY said, instead of his selectively edited interpretations of what he thinks I meant.
Just pointing out that Vod did provide a reference and say what you "lied" about. All edits are selective, by the way. He can't seem to say what I "lied" about either. Lots of people have asked for quotes but he just topic slides and makes more accusations as usual.
You aren't pointing out anything. You are manufacturing. You are just another salty boi looking for an angle of attack because you are too much of a coward to have open debates in Politics & Society and have trouble separating your emotions from your views. The only lies here are coming from you and Vod. I can imagine you just climbed out of Vod rectum, that doesn't mean you just crawled out of Vod's rectum. Just because you can convince yourselves and each other what I said was a lie doesn't make it a lie. There is nothing to substantiate the claim of a lie, and the whole quoted statement shows your clear attempt at editing it to mislead people. A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted. He can't seem to say what I "lied" about either. Lots of people have asked for quotes but he just topic slides and makes more accusations as usual.
He said you lied about posting a private messages of a someone because wouldnt they wouldn't argue with you. He posted a reference link directly in the feed back:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5148016.msg51275676#msg51275676 I didn't post his PM because he ignored me. and then I see, so the fact that I posted that message is more of a problem than his duplicity and inability to have a conversation like an adult. Got it. You know what would have prevented that? Him willing to have a conversation about it, instead he chose to hide like a coward rather than explain himself. So it appears you said you didn't post the pm because he ignored you. And then you said if he was willing to have a conversation you wouldn't have posted it. Twitchy Seal as usual has to resort to selectively editing my quotes to try to cast aspersions and serve his political motives by engaging in shit slinging over forum issues. Notice his "quotes" aren't live. I wonder why that is, perhaps he doesn't want you to read what I ACTUALLY said, instead of his selectively edited interpretations of what he thinks I meant. I didn't post his PM because he ignored me. I posted his PM because he acted friendly after I offered to help him, a day later he removes, blocks, and excludes me without explanation (for calling you out BTW), and then insinuates he had to do it because I was harassing him.
I see, so the fact that I posted that message is more of a problem than his duplicity and inability to have a conversation like an adult. Got it. You know what would have prevented that? Him willing to have a conversation about it, instead he chose to hide like a coward rather than explain himself.
Watch yourself peeps...  Nice selective editing. Yeah pay no attention to the IRS kicking in your door, what is important is I posted a personal message in public! EDIT FOR REFERENCE: The actual post so people can read what was actually said since Vod is using the trust system as his personal play toy for retribution again: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5145975.msg51187013#msg51187013Made no lie, and there was no damage done to Hhampuz. This even wasn't a problem for anyone, but Vod finds it an opportunity to make an excuse to get his retribution for daring to tag him for the clearly wrong act of doxing OGNasty which is well documented and not under dispute. His ratings against me are simply transparent retribution and an attempt to extort me into removing that rating. A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted. I remember reading the post, it was completly forgotten when I written the last reply.
Can't get to make my mind up of what ognasty did, a ponzi, however i still hope the seat users are fine, I has a friend that has the collection and seeing the btc raise is a quite nice feature i loved since i first got to see them.
Can't say i know what techy lied about but man this is a long thread.
Trust abuse side goes for quite a lot of users, I spent a good while negative rating shit and I done quite a few mistaken ratings i was needed to remove problem is when you such a big group close minded that because of proudness and ego you keep your shit and refuse to change your mind or inform yourself a bit better.
I has a while wondering if insults are bannable.
He can't seem to say what I "lied" about either. Lots of people have asked for quotes but he just topic slides and makes more accusations as usual. A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted. Neither the accusation by Vod, the original one, the one Nullius gave for the same unsubstantiated claim, or the new rating Vod left have any basis in fact, have nothing to document their claims with, and is clearly just abuse of the trust system to silence opposition.
Hello Techy, you admit your trust abuse is just to silence me and has no basis in fact, yet you won't remove it? You DID post the private message of a user simply because he ignored you. Reference proves it. TECSHARE abuses the trust system. And my respect for Vod is only increased by the fact that he has stood by his own tag, when he could have easily thrown me under the bus to appease suchmoon.
Suchmoon is one of the most kind people I have interacted with on here. When I was recovering from a stroke a year ago I was very fatigued, sleeping 10-15 hours a day, and under stress because of BPIP. THen I was attacked mercilessly by three idiots, and SM kept me calm and grounded. (BTW, a stroke does not equal mental illness lol) That being said, suchmoon does not need to be appeased. He runs BPIP now, so he has to be somewhat diplomatic, but so far that has not stopped him from passing on his values. I respect you nullius, as you seem to be intelligent (and I don't mean thesaurus intelligent like Techy claims to be) and your anonymous account nicely counters the anonymous troll. I wish you and SM would come to terms, but you both can be correct and have opposing viewpoints.  What does this have do do with the abusive ratings left by you and nullius? If you have accusations against me make your own thread instead of trying to make this thread about you then reporting off topic replies to your off topic rambling which is some how on topic according to the mods. Tell me Vod, if your rating is not retaliatory abusive, why is it that the person who's PM I published cares less about it that you do when it had nothing to do with you? Last I checked Hhampuz even had me on their trust list. I didn't do any harm or cause damages to anyone, you are just looking for an excuse to abuse the trust system in retribution for the rating you got for doxing and threatening to report OG Nasty. Not one of your claims in your ratings against me ever had any basis in reality. The rating I left for you is a fact, you doxed OGNasty. This retribution game you are playing is never going to make me submit to your threats and attempts at extortion Vod. Ever. You go ahead and keep pushing like you always do and make yourself look like an ass. A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted. As predicted, you were preparing yet another accusation before even substantiating any of the previous ones.
Wrong again. I substantiated my link several days ago - you didn't try to extort 21 people until yesterday. Why even bother to reply? I can see you reported my post as off topic, which means your reply is just blowing off steam. Just saying you substantiated it is not actually substantiating it. You claim you substantiated it already? Quote it. A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted. You are using all of the force and trust of the community as a weapon
I hope you understand the community gave you the same trust. You showed you could not be trusted. The same community that trusts me does not trust you. Either the trust system maintains base standards for everyone, or all it will be is a joke used to abuse its most long standing and trusted members.
Geez Techy, how much more standardized could your trust and my trust be? Identical ratings, both equally factual. If my trust is abusive, then you were abusive first. So when did I dox OGNasty and threaten to report him to the IRS, since both ratings are equivalent? The rating I left for you is based on publicly observable documented fact that you doxed and threatened another user. Your rating is childish refractory retaliation for leaving that rating and a pathetic and transparent attempt at extorting me into removing it. None of your accusations have any basis in fact. My reason for leaving the rating for you is publicly provable as true. A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted. You are using all of the force and trust of the community as a weapon
I hope you understand the community gave you the same trust. You showed you could not be trusted. The same community that trusts me does not trust you. Either the trust system maintains base standards for everyone, or all it will be is a joke used to abuse its most long standing and trusted members.
Geez Techy, how much more standardized could your trust and my trust be? Identical ratings, both equally factual. If my trust is abusive, then you were abusive first. For now, as a priority, I am replying at some length to make it unequivocally clear to you, Vod, that (1) I refrain from replying to TECSHARE’s drivel because it is drivel, not for any lack of confidence in tags that, as you will note, I am still firmly supporting; and, (2) I am unimpressed at TECSHARE’s attempt to coerce your supporters. Some of the names on his hate-list look mighty tough to me. I doubt that they will throw you under the bus to appease TECSHARE, of all creatures (!); and if they do, I hope that others will step up to support you.*
OK bud - when Techy claims to win because you won't reply, I'll point users to this information. I wish I had your ability to ignore unethical idiots. :/ So when did I dox OGNasty and threaten to report him to the IRS, since both ratings are equivalent?
Sorry, my tolerance does not extend to this level of idiocy. Read the reference link and you'll see what I posted is accurate and true. You are the one that claimed your rating for me was equal to the rating I left for you. When did I dox people and threaten to report them to the IRS? That was all you Vod, the whole forum saw it. It is a fact. If I edited my rating comment to remove the reference to your very apparent mental disorder would you then consider that a valid negative rating, or do you just get to use the trust system as your tool to punish people and never ever get held accountable under it? It seems like that is what you want, you get to use the trust system to punish people for not agreeing with you and then never be held to any of the standards you apply to others on a daily basis. A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted. Why would anyone get the impression mods are bias against them when they aren't even allowed to defend themselves from accusations in a thread they created themselves to discuss it?
Stop shitposting, many posts have been removed from that thread, including my where I pointed you saying " no one cares about proofs of accusation". As for some other parts of this post, you said: Since the moderators have determined me defending myself from Vod's accusation in the thread about Nullius's trust system abuse is off topic, even though Vod's accusation is completely what it is based on, I guess I will just post my removed posts from there here since criticism of Vod's behavior always seems to be off topic even when it is very much on topic. And you quoted conversation between you and TwitchySeal, so you are accusing Vod and TwitchSeal that they are alt accounts. You are crazy. (not to mention that you said you posted PM because someone ignored you then you said it is not true - so you are crazy again.) Just accept that more people are accusing you, it is not Vod only. Archived for future reference: http://archive.is/wip/HNNqhSome how I don't find your observations to be very impartial considering your own history of trust system abuse against me. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5213992.0A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted. Now only to get to the other dozen or so people you attack... A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted. Am I wrong? You are often wrong, but since when has that stopped you? A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted. Then keep your dogs quiet. You mean like these dogs?  A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted. I'm just wondering if you're actually delusional or merely a liar  A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted. marlboroza is a liar who likes to twist facts for the benefit of those who he is allied with. I would not take him seriously. He is intent on smearing and attacking anyone who is willing to speak out against any of his friends. Your post goes here. Is some one upset their little smear fest is not working as planned? A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted. bump for visibility |
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Since nullius wants to wrap up this whole saga all neat and tidy after he got what he wanted and wants to manage the backlash and his personal responsibility in the manner he has locked this thread, upon which a productive discussion was actually happening. I suspect that was a reason it was locked too. Can't have anyone coming to a consensus that doesn't fit within his own right? My argument is guilt via association regardless of what Yobit did is a completely arbitrary distinction, and that is the source of endless conflict. Lets stick to burning people at the stake one at the time at least people, please?
Would you be against tagging accounts that were advertising "24 Hour Bitcoin Doubler - Just Send To This Address" in their signatures, and refused to remove it after a warning? I don't know. The whole point is it is rather arbitrary. Do you argue such a thing is not largely arbitrary? What exactly is wrong with a neutral rating? People who aren't going to bother to look that far are 100% going to get their money stolen no matter how many people are tagged as if that stops people from making risky decisions. All this mass tagging does is satiate the needs of the ones running around tagging and makes negative ratings meaningless with signal noise. This not only results in endless conflict that is antithetical to any decent community anyone wants to use, but allows actual serious con artists to hide in the noise and drama. All because Billy posted an ad you didn't like because XYZ. It is a simple risk vs reward calculation why this shouldn't be happening. We know what the risk is, we see it every day in the form of threads like these. What is the reward? |
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As I have requested before, a feature that automatically quotes the subject of the OP would be a preferable default than the one that currently exists. It is way too easy for users to make their own subject heading that others will mindlessly quote, thus hijacking the subject heading and distracting from and confusing the subject of the topic. Can we please finally get this fixed by making a subject heading automatically mirror the op? Again, I don't mean remove the ability to edit it, I mean by default it copies the OP heading. This flaw is too often abused.
EDIT: I am really not sure exactly what is so hard to understand about this concept. I am not suggesting locking the subject heading or preventing people from editing it if they so choose. All I am suggesting, is that when people reply, instead of quoting the subject heading of what they reply to, it quotes the subject heading of the original post, which then if they so choose they can edit anyway. This filters out the ability for people to essentially abuse people's lackadaisical approach to the subject heading and prevents it from being hijacked, and everyone still gets to post whatever they like.
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nullius 2020-01-28 Counter to counters by figmentofmyass, BayAreaCoins, and eddie13. What, is this some schoolyard game? NO BACKSIES! — The feedback provided by by Lauda, Vod, and marlboroza is factually based, and a necessary warning to anybody who is trying to understand TECSHARE’s persistent crusade to protect forum abusers, attack people who stop forum abuse, manipulate DT voting, and otherwise undermine the trust system.
Not content with just mass tagging people who are associated with Yobit, this user now thinks it is appropriate to tag people arguing against tagging people associated with Yobit. This is what guilt via association gets you and is ever expanding. As I stated before I highly suspect this user is an alt of one of the usual members that is involved in a lot of this drama as they mysteriously appeared after very long periods of inactivity with a change in language, demeanor, and suddenly hold all the same opinions of the people listed above.
Please ~nullius as they have no idea how the trust system should be used and are clearly just being used to game the system with alts.
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Regardless of the intent of this action, it serves as yet another example of the mobbing type behavior I am talking about in this post. I reported the post that I am responding to, as it is clearly off topic and designed as a form of distraction from the criticism, and retribution for being critical of the people pushing the accusations in the thread, as is a common response from these individuals when anyone is critical of them or their friends. In an effort to silence my criticism, they spam reports hoping something will stick. Mysteriously this post I responded to and reported is "unhandled", but my reply calling it out for more of the same of what the OP is, needed to be removed for some reason, A.S.A.P. This is a common occurrence as any of these types of posts I report almost universally go unhandled. Pretty much the only posts I report that are handled consist of spam, or posts in the wrong section. A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted. Love how the accusers are all of a sudden pretending to be the voices of reason so they can project their own behavior on to everyone calling them out. This is of course as they have their proxies attack via trust ratings and spamming false accusations in other threads. How long is everyone going to put up with this kind of behavior?
Again, this is the kind of thing that demonstrates to me that reports are selectively enforced.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=156113And who that "well known member" will be? @TECHARE all your other "opinions" are very well documented here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5214377.msg53534115#msg53534115. Thanks for demonstrating how the mob handles criticism... with more mobbing. |
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It is finally official. "As expected, the House of Representatives officially voted Wednesday to send the articles of impeachment against President Donald Trump to the Senate and approved the House’s impeachment managers. The vote to send the articles of impeachment to the Senate and approve the impeachment managers was 228-193." Gee what were they voting on if it was already official? I guess you tards demanding that it was already official before today were wrong. That is unless you still want to argue this vote they had today was totally meaningless and arbitrary. "House Delivers Articles Of Impeachment To Senate, 'Trial' To Start Tuesday" https://www.zerohedge.com/political/pelosi-announces-house-managers-trump-impeachment-trial |
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