The following is the substantive content of a PM that I recently sent, lightly edited for privacy and small bugfixes. It is still raw and conversational; but it sets forth my position with a clarity which I believe should be made of record.And for the record, almost immediately after I opened this topic, I did PM a link to yahoo62278 as a courtesy. If he wants to respond to what I have said about him, then in all fairness, I would want to see that. Whereas if he chooses not to reply, well—my objective here is about Yobit, so we’ll see about Yobit.I will now wrap up a few other things, and then take a few days’ forum break. When I return, I will check to see whether or not Yobit really just suddenly disappeared in a puff of smoke, as if inexplicably smitten by the rage of the gods.Moderation note: I will soon archive this page, then delete an idiotic zero-substance post as off-topic.
Thanks for your analysis. I think that I can best explain whence I come by explaining how I arrived at this point, so to speak. Why am
I, of all people, suddenly keying in on Yobit when I have bigger fish to fry
Re: Project Anastasia, etc.?
I actually knew nothing about Yobit, until a few weeks ago. Whilst catching up after my long “sleep”, I happened across some of o_e_l_e_o’s posts incisively sticking a fork in Investbox, the same way he did to alia’s allegedly EV+ gambling script scam. This first made me aware that Yobit is a scam site—and it’s a scam site
per se: You know that the Gambling forum would never accept the excuse that a site offers some services with non-mathematically-impossible claims, if some of its games (and indeed, its heavily-pushed
flagship games) boldly claim EV+ when they are
not.
I think that’s a fine analogy, when Yobit’s defenders seem to like to claim that it’s just a gambling site which happens to call itself an “investment” site or an “exchange”. OK: Set aside that that would be blatantly false advertising. Let’s apply the same standards that we apply to gambling sites—and apply those standards to the site as a whole, as would be done to a partly-scamming (and wholly sleazy) gambling site!
After I became aware of Yobit’s nature as a Ponzi shop, I noticed that I was withholding or minimizing merits on good posts due to the Yobit signature.
Yes. Thus, this is not correct, or at least, is not seeing the forest for the trees:
...in the case of Yobit where most of the participants are farmed sockpuppets anyway...
Due to this, I gave johhnyUA only a +1 (and a terse reply) on a post that I otherwise would have bombed with +10: He was
the first to publicly call for a PGP-signed statement from me after my 20-month absence, at a time when Faketoshi is a big issue needing more public awareness that
you must always demand a digital signature at the threshold. (That gets my respect, johhny!
Except for the “free YoDollars” ad. Edit 2020-01-27: I noticed that johhny removed his Yobit ad, and is currently wearing an unpaid signature promoting Bitcoin ideals and privacy. I have accordingly topped that post up to a total of 10 merits, as I originally thought it deserved. WHEN IN DOUBT, ALWAYS DEMAND A DIGITAL SIGNATURE!) And I have flatly ignored some good posts by him and others: Not only not merited them, but attempted to avoid replying. My plan has been to post a PSA thread, PM it around on friendly terms to
people whom I actually otherwise appreciate, publicize it with my unique Nullian knack for that, and then,
on principle, tag the hell out of anybody still wearing a Yobit signature
of any kind. —Hopefully with some DTs onboard, though that is not a strict necessity for me.
I am not
only concerned about cleaning up spam. Shitposters give little credibility to the ads beneath their drivel. Whereas for reasons (or perhaps, unreasons) which perplex me, there are people in the Yobit campaign who are advertising Yobit on good posts—
on posts with substance, which people may actually read and like.
This gives Yobit credibility. That credibility will, in turn, seduce newbies and casual users who know exactly as much about Yobit as I did three weeks ago,
and who will not know (as I do) how to check reputation before “investing”. The
good users in Yobit’s campaign make the whole thing worse!
Having reached that point, I rammed head-on into the yahoo problem.
I do NOT buy the argument that it’s better to have yahoo running a scam-ad campaign for spam-control purposes. In terms of actual harm, that is tantamount to saying that if a drug-pusher will be on the corner next to a schoolyard, it’s better to have a drug-pusher who politely checks ID for 18+. Excuse me for being underwhelmed.
Of course another option is to go after yahoo directly, coerce him to abandon the campaign...
yahoo is running a campaign for a site that runs Ponzis.
Period. He is wreathing them in his own credibility, which is cheapened accordingly—
and he is wearing their signature himself, as a DT-sized human shield so that nobody can mass-tag Yobit advertisers without potentially igniting a DT war.
I will reserve further exploring my opinions on what that makes me think of yahoo himself. Though I would not be deterred by the inevitability of drama, I don’t
want the drama—and if I did, Faketoshi has more of it anyway, with the added “benefit” of being so much slimier and more disgusting.
PEOPLE ARE LOSING MONEY BECAUSE OF THIS. People are clicking those ads, clicking on the “free Yodollars!” that some here seem to be thoughtlessly accepting, and getting sucked into the “Investbox”. If you suppose that just distrusting X10/Investbox signatures is adequate, then
Yobit’s shell game has you fooled just like they are fooling their “investors”.
You know that I am a loose cannon, even moreso than Lauda. In the long term, I do not intend to let this go; and there is no way to shut me up, short of me being banned for stating true facts and persuasive arguments in an appropriately courteous and professional manner (if deserved by the target of my exposition). Hey, I suppose that
Vispilio can dream; well, all he has achieved is to very much not improve my existing mood toward Yobit and its supporters.
I hope that we can find a suitable means to achieve the objective of actually obliterating Yobit ads,
i.e. per se scam ads, from the forum entirely—not merely keeping them under yahoo’s control and thus, under his shield. I am dipping my toe in the water here, but I don’t mind diving when I have the time for it; and although I often seem to fall behind on my own threads, I am a patient man who is in it for the long haul, not the drama splash.
Cheers.
