I truely believe while Bitcoin will always be number one there is a need for greater security. Thats why I went all in on Xtrabytes as it seems like the only coin that solves the flaws of POW and POS (51% attack). In time that will be I believe the only thing that matters in crypto ie security. Which is why it is almost a definite top 10 project. I could be wrong but I doubt it.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1864397.0

I honestly don't believe anyone actually uses any of these alt coins. Covals main focus is instead of hype to get real usage and admittedly that usage is zero so far. So seriously is anyone actually using any of these platforms. I highly doubt it which means the whole thing is bullshit speculation and likely to crash.

Decentralisation isn't some cool idea its now a necessary tech we need for free speech to continue in the west. Twitter and Google are showing how they can clamp down on dissent even in their own countries.


What are our current options?

Synero?

ZCash?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jtFqxWWZMOQ&feature=player_embedded

it will have many crypto elements built in including an advanced form of tipping where one person curates and further tipping is given to the first to tip and the producer....plus rewards on the Coval platform.

*Disclaimer I'm not saying either is bad I just wanted a discussion comparing the two.


I am biased as I am invested in Coval but here is my problem with Incent.


-Firstly of course I like the concept of Incent as I think the Loyalty industry is perfect for crypto, amazing that no one has really developed it fully already by now.

-BUT Incent seems to be just a concept right now, all I see is animations and drawings and they said they will employ Developers after the ICO to make the apps?


-Also I think them asking for 5 million is a little bit of a money grab especially if they will profit from the platform and you don't need 5million to employ developers?


At first I thought well as they already have merchants with Bitscan then they have some advantage but looking at the quality of those merchants they are hardly billion dollar companies judge for yourself. They are just online resellers also not actual companies.

https://mall.bitscan.com/stores.php


Briefly Coval is already about to go live, it has more depth than just adding merchants as it is now working on a podcasting app which has the potential to monetize podcasting. The price is dirt cheap and has a market cap of a fraction of what Incent is asking for the ICO which values it at 5 million obviously off the bat. Coval also has the backup of Loyyal the biggest most successful loyalty program in existence right now with billion dollar companies signing up, thats got to help at some point?

COVAL based on a loyalty network is going to release an app called VOCAL in about a month that essentially monetizes podcasting. Podcasting has struggled even more than blogging to produce a revenue stream as people don't want to listen to audio adverts which are a pain to produce anyway unlike google ads revenue. I see it as having even more potential than Steemit it they pull it off well. What do you think?


https://mobile.twitter.com/circuitsofvalue/status/768994220153659393

Coval are just starting to build on the very developed Loyyal platform. The Loyyal platform has the biggest companies in the world wanting to use their system including probably the first Governmnet backed crypto, namely Dubai.

Crypto was made for loyalty points, what are bonus points that people love to collect be it an airline or a restaurant etc but virtual money. Crypto until now has not even touched this billion dollar industry but that's about to end.

Coval will win because they can keep adding Rapps to their platform, each adding value, over time the tokens will get more and more scarce, it's can't fail.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1594565.0

The latest blog post hints how big it's going to be.

https://medium.com/coval/update-0916-fb9c64742677#.iu5qzkqm4

So many coins now claim they are anonymous with many different ones saying they are the first ones to do so. What are the real anonymous coins we have now. Are any 100% anonymous and untraceable?

Anyone have an opinion on Coval. After a long time away from crypto I'm looking for a decent project that isn't just artificial hype but has a real economy. Seems to be a reboot of Ribbet rewards? Right? Or some thing else?

Specifically want to know who the developer is, his reputation etc.


http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/circuits-of-value/

i was listening to Jim Willie the other day, he doesn't know much about Bitcoin but he did say the banks will want "join it, infiltrate it, alter it and corrupt it"......before it gains any legitimacy.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sldUugfArNc&feature=youtu.be


So the question is what are the banks doing to do this if true. I personally see Etheruem as potentially a bank infiltration, I'm seeing getgems project infiltrated by Citi bank so am wondering how the banks are now or will attack Bitcoin. people like Blythe masters getting involved is another sign of intent. She was involved in Goldman Sachs in the area of deriveratives and manipulation of the gold market....now she has been given 30 million to go start a blockchain company......it can't have good intentions.

Well it could be here. (please dont move this is bitcoin related too)


Getgems has expanded their vision. The idea is a cross platform payment app that pays fiat, btc and gems. Its platform agnostic so you just make one connection to your bank and can play across ANY network, fb, whatsapp, line etc. The networks wont be able to block it cuase it bounces between your actual keyboard.


Check out the presentation.

By the way the judges even the two front ones who apparently are from silicon valley simply didnt get that FB, Whatsapp etc cant block it. They came across as ignorant and smug.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBvSJzxoq7k&feature=youtu.be

Getgems has expanded their vision. The idea is a cross platform payment app that pays fiat, btc and gems. Its platform agnostic so you just make one connection to your bank and can play across ANY network, fb, whatsapp, line etc


Check out the presentation.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBvSJzxoq7k&feature=youtu.be

Like I said I was surprised at how many it was getting. Android wise its been a little lacklustre for some reason. But with these kind of numbers growing even though there has been zero marketing or airdrop to me tells me the app is going to be a massive success.

Just say it kept this up and calc very conservatively even though numbers tend to snowball. We would have at minimum 50,000 downloads in around 6 months, probably a lot more...and that just the iOS. So I see critical mass happening for the app that can tip it into 100,000....500,000 and then 1m then skies the limit territory.

Plus they are about to win 250,000-1,000,000 dollars in prize money that will be a great war chest for marketing and development. I started to lose faith but Im confident this app is on track to be massive now. 

I about sick of everyone FUDing VNL, when there are so many weak projects and coins that deserve that FUD.


You can accept it or not but Zerotime ie sub second safe transactions is the biggest development since Satoshi released Bitcoin.....and no bullshit FUD can't hide that fact.



FUD all you like, you do a disservice to your fellow crypto followers. See if I care scumbags.

The title says it all. I'm curious, I read all the time how double spending is some big issue but there seems to be zero press attention to fact there is at the very least a credible claim its been solved by Vanilla Coin.

http://www.itproportal.com/2015/07/07/bitcoin-hit-with-double-spending-bug/

I know this forum is full of hype but if one coin is such a screaming buy then it's Vanilla Coin.


Sounds like a shitcoin BUT isn't at all. (Which is why I think it's been overlooked)


Simple, it sends in under a second and is then instantly respendable, it does this without risk of double spend, no other coin does this. Plus it will soon be anonomous as an option.


Coins come and go but this practical ability makes it the obvious merchant coin for adoption. I love Bitcoin, always will but as a payment it sucks balls due to its need for confirmations to be safe. No big companies would risk online sales without some confirmations, meaning it's just gonna look slow to the average Joe.


Then you put these facts that won't go away and won't get tired like so many hyped functions AND you factor in that the marketcap is an Hilarious under 1M this has got to be the biggest oportunity I've seen for a couple of years.


Don't say I didn't tell you so...

http://vanillacoin.net/papers/zerotime.pdf

John Conner today said that it was him that initially notified the Bitcoin team about the risk of double spend, he wasn't listened to and Bitcoin lost tons of people's money and Bitcoin had to in force no O confirmations. clearly he has been part of the a Bitcoin loop here for a long time.



Any ideas who he is, shouldn't be too hard to work out?


BTW he solved the issue....the guy is one to watch clearly.

So many threads popping up with just the point to FUD. This to me says one thing, some are trying to accumulate....no one FUDs a coin they couldn't care less about.


See you at the top of the mountain, I don't think anyone knew about Vanilla coin until these attack threads started....thank you Monero bag holders living in fear. Lol

Seems to me the fans of ETH want it both ways, when challenged on the unlimited supply they reference that ETH is not a currency but a fuel and then go on about how its going to be worth $50 in a year. blah blah.


So economics 101, if the supply increases and even if it didn't if ETH is not an actual currency that has potential demand due to increased hoped for future use then what exactly are people basing the value of this 'fuel' on?

So it seems no one has asked what the demand even is for this 'fuel' Maybe Ethereum can be massive but still the demand is relatively low, know one knows as no one is even talking about it? Or more importantly quantified it.....