@TECSHARE and @hacker1001101001 Thanks for the concern, although I am very much in favour of objective standards, but I guess it wud derail the topic at hand. -
You are to be blamed too! I am sure Lauda is not in your trust list now? When everyone of you will have this end then you will realize who to add and who not to add in your trust list.
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It wud hv been better had u commented from your main account. Obviously you are scared or have some sinister motive, also I had a curated trust list prior to being red trusted, so it's not like Lauda isn't in my Trust List NOW. P.S. Shud I be surprised at the wariness shown by other DTs to not infuriate the so very VINDICTIVE Abuser  One would assume you would be for objective standards for leaving negative ratings given your current circumstance, but apparently not. I don't want to derail the current topic; but now since you have questioned me on this topic; let me make my stand clear. No human can claim to be objective, value-neutrality is an illusion and I very much agree with Paul Feyerabend (Epistemological Anarchism) and Max Weber on this issue. So to claim that rules devised will be objective would be a misnomer IMO, because to have objective assessments we need to use our subjective faculties. To claim that my current situation should push me to join any such venture would again be an opportunist assumption; I would have gladly partaken in such a venture even if I wasn't red trusted; had I believed that such a step will lead to objectivity. I have always been clear with my intentions on this forum; even if the current situation continues to be so and none other deem it worthwhile to respond on this situation, I would still not be willing to claim objectivity. Even in my posts here I have maintained a sense of subjectivity and to compensate have given them the benefit of doubt within my margin of error (now see even that's subjective). P.S. I do respect you for trying to start something better; but let's not turn vindictive for the sake of countering vindictiveness. EDIT: -
Some DT members behave such a way that it seems they feel satisfaction red painting an account. It's better to raise voice under an alt account.
Then it is the collective failure of BTCTalk DT members that they continue to accommodate Trust system Abusers within their ranks and if theymos has acknowledged the failure of the system implicitly, then it is better to do away with it altogether. |
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Reposting it here for all who have seen this thread to be able to see FJ's much better response by clicking their link. -
With this, we apologize to be linking this information public. Still, as the community has been involved in the case so actively and the Player has been so vocal, we believe that full transparency of the case is crucial. So all the information is decided to be public, to avoid any misjudgments over the matter.
Having gone thru the entire thread I have come to the conclusion that there is indeed strong connection between the two accounts and hence FJ is very much within the margin of error in this case. Too many coincidences IMO to be ignored, but it wud hv been better had u clarified it in such a manner prior. |
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With this, we apologize to be linking this information public. Still, as the community has been involved in the case so actively and the Player has been so vocal, we believe that full transparency of the case is crucial. So all the information is decided to be public, to avoid any misjudgments over the matter.
Having gone thru the entire thread I have come to the conclusion that there is indeed strong connection between the two accounts and hence FJ is very much within the margin of error in this case. Too many coincidences IMO to be ignored, but it wud hv been better had u clarified it in such a manner prior. |
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@TECSHARE and @hacker1001101001 Thanks for the concern, although I am very much in favour of objective standards, but I guess it wud derail the topic at hand. -
You are to be blamed too! I am sure Lauda is not in your trust list now? When everyone of you will have this end then you will realize who to add and who not to add in your trust list.
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It wud hv been better had u commented from your main account. Obviously you are scared or have some sinister motive, also I had a curated trust list prior to being red trusted, so it's not like Lauda isn't in my Trust List NOW. P.S. Shud I be surprised at the wariness shown by other DTs to not infuriate the so very VINDICTIVE Abuser |
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1) KYC is useless and does not work.
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If KYC is useless, then why did FJ take a Skype KYC for that other alleged multi-account that was allowed to withdraw funds ?? |
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It is not legitimate to keep deleting and reposting negative ratings to put the system back into "this guy just turned scammer!" mode. People who do that shouldn't be trusted.
WOW! Never knew this was standard trust abuse practice by the DT Abuser. |
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Good points and yet people continue to defend FJ and accuse the victim of being an abuser, to those who are claiming what happened to Innocent till proven guilty clause in case of FJ, the same parameters shud be applied to the victim too who has been held guilty without been given a chance to put his point. |
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This is to point out that I have been negged by a DT member of the forum in what is explicitly a blatant disregard for any conventional wisdom on the concerned issue.
Apparently, holding a view grounded in facts borne out by actions contrary to that of a Paid Signature Holder of the stature of DT makes one a Trust Abuser and anyone dealing with him/her will have damaging consequences.  1. The issue is that I had negged FJ for this following reason flagging it as Shady, Slow and Irresponsible IMO. 2. The Trust Abusing DT member then proceeded to neutral tag me without a reference with nearly the same accusations as they are now. Since it was a neutral I ignored it and was advised by others to not pay heed to it as well. (suchmoon, ibminer) (As a pun I even put a different version in my Sign space.  ) 3. FJ recently has apparently again dealt in a shady manner and this is also implicitly agreed to by various august members of this forum community too in this case for which I have attached the link. Various members have also expressed there opinion on this in the Gambling section thread too. 4. After I UPDATED my neg to reflect the latest FJ fiasco after a spat with Hhampuz. Lauda decided to UPGRADE my tag to red trust here.  which prior to this was this  This neutral had been again updated recently although the same thing has been there since the earlier issues stated in point 1. 5. Not only that but apparently to prevent any red trust appearing on FJ the DT member did put me in the excluded list (as if I am ever becoming a DT member, but the thought of it amuses me  ).
I now proceed to ask members of this forum to point out if I am deserving of the TAG and how then is it justified.
Since this is un-self-moderated opinions from everyone will be welcomed and paid heed to without any malice.
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OP withdraw your claim and read the ToS again.
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I am advising FJ that no further time needs to be wasted on this. If you break the ToS, then you can go home.
Didn't knew that you work for FJ in the capacity of an advisor; again wnich section of the ToS are you referring to? P.S. Shouldn't advisors be negged too for shady shit their companies do?
Posting this here again so that other defenders of FJ (read sign soul sellers) can maybe point it out to me.According to our Terms and Conditions, we reserve the right to terminate all the accounts onto the same IP. The rules apply to the accounts, coming from the same family, household, relative or a connected person that might be somehow linked with the acc.  Maybe others can see what I can't can someone point me to the section where it says SAME IP and not some frivolous shit like multiple registered accounts? |
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According to our Terms and Conditions, we reserve the right to terminate all the accounts onto the same IP. The rules apply to the accounts, coming from the same family, household, relative or a connected person that might be somehow linked with the acc. Maybe others can see what I can't can someone point me to the section where it says SAME IP and not some frivolous shit like multiple registered accounts? |
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WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK!Vod leaving BTCtalk? I just saw this thread; apart from all the philosophical musings and opinions (I mostly agree with Vod over here and as it is i rarely agree with theymos (not that my opinion matters)), but I am really glad u didn't leave. On a sincere note; it wud be a disaster if Vod, suchmoon, foxpup, The Pharmacist, Jetcash, LoyceV etc. left (not taking names of staff admin).
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Charity begins at home.Do provide your customers the option to pay in crypto too, only then can we expect real world adoption.  Hey allahabadi..We had an ongoing spat back in the day sometime and i put you on ignore. Have removed it for a while. Extending the olive branch..lol.. So do you camp around your UID? I remember bro, it was that Atriz thing... No worries bro, I don't spat with people but on principles... As you can see I still continue to be what I was... Hahaha... But yeah I always try to be Frnds and helpful to everyone around, even those whom I'm sparring with... Pardon regarding the UID thing, I didn't catch the phrase... 🤗🤗 |
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It is quite interesting that in your initial remark in the FJ thread you "have no idea who the F this patdugan is and that IP is so far away from where I live" but then when FJ further solidified their claims against you, it all became clear and apparent.
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Definitely interesting, but not surprising. If I wud hv stuck 5BTC I wud hv def tried to inquire in my circle as to who others shared same site and ip. maybe he hadn't inquired prior to this day. I think FJ needs to really put up some convincing things and not just whims... It's quite a plausible story infact if FJ conducted a Skype KYC for the other person, they shud do so for him too.. P.S. We can simply ignore the sell your soul sign wearers on the forum. |
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I took the quiz, but just did as per my knowledge and the last known moderator was Hesinburg hunter. I don't know whether he is really a moderator or not, but he has said some good things to bring this section into active forums.
I think it was Benson who was removed after the coinsecure fiasco... Coinsecure and unocoin were the first two exchanges I had used |
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A quite interesting fact is that neither or almost 99% (maybe that 1% are partially aware) of my real world contacts don't even know I am involved in bitcoin and related stuff.
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THIS IS ME; my parents, sibling and a couple of VERY close friends in real life are aware of my association with crypto in any form.  Funny anecdote: One neighborhood uncle even criticized crypto when Jaitley Ji had discussed it in budget, but he barely knew beyond Whatsapp forwards and decided to shut up when I started asking serious questions like a curious individual who knows nothing on the subject. |
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'PatDugan' forwarded me the email regarding the payout they received this morning from FJ. 0 issues. Funny you would think if they are accusing this user of multi-accounting with myself they wouldn't pay them... I guess only 50k warrants them to make up some bs to get out of paying. https://ibb.co/2sJLm9CThe plot thickens further 🧐🧐🧐 |
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I am from a ecommerce background and running B2C high-end/luxury furniture stores since 2012 and B2B websites since 2004
~ Charity begins at home.Do provide your customers the option to pay in crypto too, only then can we expect real world adoption. |
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allahabadi, webtricks and akhjob responded before me and it was fun answering those and i hope everyone try this fun quiz and i hope my mail ID will be safe with you @OP as i do not want any advertisement in my mail. If i am the lucky winner the winning funds should be deposited to the GREAT INDIAN LOTTERY conducted by Heisenberg_Hunter. ^ Email? I didn't see any field requesting email address. I believe only BTT username was asked apart from the Blockchain related questions.
You need to log in with your Mail ID to fill up the quiz. I don't think OP can see that mail list, only Google can see it... That's what I think it is... P.s. Earlier OP was explicitly adding for email id, which he then changed to Bitcointalk ID |
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Every single claim of this type brought against FortuneJack has been false AFAIK. Therefore, please provide evidence or close the thread.
Ahem Ahem https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3463720.60 (This claim of shady act on part of FJ was TRUE and they did give the guy his money back, but after much pestering.) Looks like the sign wearers also hv to sell der soul. @OP see this and do provide more proofs. My statement holds true. Read it again and take some English lessons. OP has no case until proven otherwise. Cheers. I never said OP had a case, read again I said present more proofs if possible. But yeah your statement that none such claim has been True is a lie clearly, since I presented a claim that was TRUE. P.S. My English is far better than yours, so suck it. |
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