By the way, why you've decided to conduct STO instead of ICO? Moreover, I remember that there were several projects, that offered security tokens without vote rights, why you've decided to offer tokens with vote right?
Maybe that were some kind of utility tokens with rights for dividends? I know there is such type of stock shares that offered dividends rights only. If I remember correct, the type of stock shares, that are not offering vote rights, offers more dividend's percentage instead. Maybe, this is the reason. Maybe you are right. In long distance higher % of dividends will be more profitable, than right of vote. Most of regular investors, I'm sure, won't use this right at all. Most of regular investors will be happy to get tokens with higher dividends, but without right of vote. Maybe, the team shoud think about it? That's very true, the team must really think about this problem if the investors get too much profit certainly from the other side will get a pretty big loss too Can you explain please why do you think that is bad, when investors get big or "too much" profits? As for me, it is good. |
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The most important thing to keep the price is to buy coins from those who merge them immediately after entering the exchange, otherwise the cost may fall very much, investors will be in a deep minus.
I like these questions because it allows me to repeats something VERY IMPORTANT. When you are talking about previous ICO's where after they close and get on exchanges people dump their tokens and the price goes way way down. You are comparing apples to oranges. Without insulting any past projects WE ARE NOT a ICO that has hyped the heck out of a project that still does not even have a viable blockchain application. I remember reading about a ICO that raised $125 Million dollars and they said in their White Paper that their app would not even be done till 2024. Who would invest in a project like that. By 2024 most likely their application will be obsolete and worthless. Also while everyone else was dumping those tokens so were the Founders of those ICO's. WE ARE a security token. We are NOT a blockchain based application or project. We are using blockchain to make it more convenient to pay and book. We are using Blockchain to store treatment data for research but we are NOT dependent on it. We are using it because it will IMPROVE out efficiency. WE ARE a company that, at first, is opening treatment facilities, in the US, for dogs with cancer and we will be treating them with our proprietary treatment. Any industry related to dogs the US is booming. Over $17 billion was spent in 2017 on Vet Care in the US and over $69 Billion on Pets in the US. Check out this data.  That should tell you how booming of a industry is pets and dogs in the US. If you want to see what might happen with our security tokens you need to look at IPO's. Companies that went public in the US. Then you will see a model that after the IPO ends then the price a majority of the time goes up but some dip a bit in price but then they price will be judged by the actual revenues and profits. Then you would see how great of a deal it was for those investors who were lucky enough to get in on a IPO.You cannot view what the price of our Security Tokens will do compared to what hyped up ICO's did in the past. First we will offer to buy the bounties if we can. Second none of the founder and principles of the company will be allow to sell their tokens for at least 12 months. Nor can any like US Institutional Investors. That is a SEC law. I hope that helps to explain it. Gary By the way, why there is so strict laws for US residents in USA? Maybe, US investors would be more interested if your project's registration was in another county? |
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Also while everyone else was dumping those tokens so were the Founders of those ICO's.
Exactly! Bounty hunters don't have so many tokens to dump the price. If the project is strong, that price's decreasing from selling bounty tokens will be short. |
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Will you tell your clients what exact drugs you will give them or their pet? I mean, patients have a right to know this information, right?
Interesting question, by the way. If they will tell, it can help their competitors to steal the approach, if not - clients may say no to the treatment. Yeap, I have same thoughts. I'm interested how will they solve this problem in case it is a problem. Well, I think that we should wait for Gary. He will give you the answer as he always do. But, I'm curious about it too.
Kira I am assuming you are talking about me answering the questions above. First, all patients and dog owners will have to sign an Non Disclosure Agreement (NDA). And if they ask we will tell them, the drugs and that it is a proprietary treatment and they will be bound by the NDA. But.... think about the last time you had any treatment or surgery for that matter on yourself. If any of your have. This is how it usually goes. They will tell you the potential dangers and such but at least for me I have never see a list of drugs or even the method they used. I have had both back surgery and eye surgery. And they told me about how long the surgery would be, and how long the recovery would be and what after care i would need to do. Never was I told every drug they would be using. The exactly surgical method and tools. If I asked they would certainly tell me and they will be on their medical records but medical records are protected. Or if you bring in your dog for surgery. You don't get to go in with the dog while they are doing the surgery and see what they are using. A It is the same when we treat a dog. So the short answer. We will tell them is if they ask and I will tell them they are bound by a NDA. The NDA will be part of the papers they sign before hand. We will always tell them what they can expect from using our treatment and after care. There is another reason we are very hesitant to give out all the drugs in this treatment and need to protect it with a NDA. You all know the one drug is a chemotherapy drug. Actually a combo of several drugs depending on the type of cancer. The other drug, is in some place, no longer needs a prescription to get it and it can be purchase in those areas over the counter. So if there is someone who is or their dog is, being treated by a doctor or vet with chemo and they find out what this other drug is, they could say "Hey I should try that." And they go, on their own, and buy the other drug and take the other drug at home while having the chemo in their system. And they do this without supervision of a doctor or vet, proper dosage or strict protocol, they could literally kill themselves. And who do you think is going to be blamed? But if we protect our treatment, have all patients sign NDA, AND tell everyone this treatment should only be given and used under the supervision of a doctor or veterinarian, then we are legally protected and more importantly so are dogs and people. Gary By the way, if someone will try to use your method without your supervising and will get bad effects, could he go to court to try to get money from you? He can try, but how will he proove that that was because of AdSana clinic? But, I'm sure, that there will be a lot of such situations in the future. |
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Don't worry, they will find money for every their needs. This project is too good. It is under the radar right now, that's it.
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What are your expectations guys on possible return on investments let's say after 1 year of investment?
Hi coino.org, that is difficult to say. Depends on certain things such as: How much we raise? And how much we raise dictates how many and how quickly we can open clinics. Here is a spreadsheet of what we can earn over five years and how many clinics we could open. It is based on a minimum of raising $10 Million used to open the clinics and cover the operating expense until revenue starts creating a profit. You can draw your own conclusions on what the ROI will be.  Remember your return on investment is based on several things 1. How long you hold onto the SANA tokens and hopefully the value of the SANA token goes up before you sell. 2. How much in dividends you receive. Dividends from profits and dividends for the 10% shares of every $1.00 of prepaid treatment credits (our utility tokens once the fundraising is over). NOTE: Something to remember about the pre paid treatment credits is that you much consider it as insurance. Any pre paid treatment credits one buys gives them insurance or assurance that they have money toward the treatment. Beside the 20% discount in treatment one gets when buying the pre paid treatment credits, it is also a great way for them to "pay over time" for the treatment. Dogs owners know the statistics for dogs and cancer. They know there is a 25% chance their dog will get cancers and some breeds like Golden Retrievers, German Shepherds, Boxer, 75% of these breed will get cancer. So the dog owner can prepare for it by buying, bit by bit, month by month, pre pad treatment credits knowing that they will have the insurance or assurance that they can afford the treatment if or when their dog get cancer. Plus they get a 20% discount in the treatment. I know the dog world in the US. We know that is a large group of dog owners there they consider they consider their dog more than just a pet. It is part of their family and when we give them an opportunity to buy a little at a time pre paid treatment credit, a large number of dog owners will take advantage of this. And 10% of all the pre paid treatment credit is paid out to all the SANA token holders at the time these dividends are paid out. Now if they buy these pre paid treatment credits and then never have to use it. They can give them away to someone or sell them to someone for the price that paid for them. We will offer this option on our app. Gary When are you planning to start the app. Is it already in alpha/beta testing or you'll start to develop it after the end of sales? As or me, I'd like to knwo, what exact features will this app provide, if you can share ths information with us right now. As far as I understood they want to build a ecosystem. If so, what else it will be consist of? Would be awesome if you are right. All great projects develop same ecosystems. It is some kind of characteristic, that shows, that the project is really serious. Following yuor logic, if the project has no ecosystem, than it is not serious, right? What makes you think so? |
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Perhaps I missed what exchanges plan to add the project token? Maybe it makes sense to conduct IEO? Or is it against some rules?
Was said, that team has negotiations with several top 10 exchanges that are able to list security tokens. There were no information what exact exchanges they are talking with. That is, IEO is likely to be? It would be great to have it at Binance. I don’t know how difficult it is to do it. But there would be a lot of investors. Binance is the most interesting exchange at the moment, right. But, the team hasn't enough money for Binance at the moment. Maybe, after they find that money. You can try to take several stage to raise money. When there is the necessary amount to organize IEO to collect the remaining amount of money. I think, they need to get enough money for at least 1 clinic. That they should stop the fundraising. Work for a while, and after that open the fundraising again. Why shouldn't they wait for the end of the main sale? If they will have more money, they can open more clinics and have mpre profits, correct? SANA token is very underrated at the moment, because nobody knows about this method of treatment. Because of this, it's price is so low. They can sell it for more money, when the world will learn their approach. I see. You think, that they should warm the interest to them, like Telegram did, and than open sale of unsold tokens with much more higher price? Great idea, by the way. Moreover, I think they shouldn't sell all tokens using your scheme. They should devide sale to many stages. Each new stage can give them higher price of the token. Agree. They can raise much more funds using this way of sale. At the moment, they want to raise $25 mln maximum, but they can raise $250 mln or even more. |
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I know a lot of people who will never support the project were tokens will be frozen. And there is no matter for them what will be the period of freeze.
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Will there be any period, when tokens will be frozen? I mean all tokens, not only devs' tokens or investors' ones. I don't remember this questions was asked before.
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What are your expectations guys on possible return on investments let's say after 1 year of investment?
You should understand that expectations are not a real result. You can expect any profits, but noone knows what will happen tomorrow. |
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Multiple comments and responses author=Piastr link=topic=5163883.msg52110323#msg52110323 date=1565354117]
This project has too good product, so it can't fail, for my opinion. But, the fact this project has US jurisdiction almost guarantee that it is a scam. What do you think?
Piastr I think you meant to write that since this project is under US jurisdiction it almost gaurantee that it is NOT a scam. Right? Gary author=artdor link=topic=5163883.msg52109483#msg52109483 date=1565349002]
Well, this is not an indicator that the project will be successful. From my own experience I will say that most of the investments today do not pay off. Either this time or everything happens because there is no regulation. Artdor have you had experience with typical blockchain ICO based mainly on APPS or software within the blockchain. Because we are not that. We are, first a regulated STO, and we are a brick and mortar buildings that has clinics with a proven and working cancer treatment that will immediately, when the first one is open, generate revenue. Gary Gary I have experience investing in ICO and other projects. And I also studied the profitability statistics for 2018 and the figures on ICO are very sad. And I wish you success so that the goal is achieved. [/quote] ICO, STO, ITO, IEO, whatever, all these types of fundrising are venture investing in startups. It means that there is a high risk, but the profit can be high too. |
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What will happen with tokens that won't be sold? Will they be burned to increase the value of tokens that were buyed or they will not be burn and why?
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If it is possible that STO will conduct IEO, it would be great. But, IEO is very expensive thing, team needs some investments before.
Investments for ICO are also needed. And you know, IEO is more like a promotion when team has raised enough funds for development. As far as I know there are rules when you have to maintain liquidity and hold tokens giving exchange share of company tokens What is needed are investments that pay off. That make a profit for the investor. Not investments that lose money. No matter what it is. An ICO, STO, IEO or ? That is our goal to create a strong investment thought a real cancer treatment that is both effective and inexpensive. Gary Yes, you are right. Investments must pay off for sure, but investors cannot know if their investments will. That is why STO and IEO are better, than ICO. |
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Adsana, do you have any suggestions on cost of medicine to fight with cancer? Will price change in future?
As for me, I don't understant why they offer so low price now. Their approach almost has no bad side effects. So, clients pay for save treatment. |
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And our conversations with larger Angel Investors. What about Angel Investors? When are you planning to talk with them, if you've found any. They often visit Blockchain events, by the way. Angel investors are very important for every young project. I think, team needs to throw all their time on finding Angel investors. Their money will let the team to promote the project wider. Who are they? You don't know who angel investors are? Investors, who put their money into projects on the very beginning of their development for additional and exclusive benefits. It seems to me that the team needs to talk more about the AdSana project at various blockchain conferences. I think that there are many investors who are ready to support such a unique project. You are 110% correct. I am planning those event now. That said I encourage you all via Bitcointalk to get involved now because when I go to this events I will get the investors I need. I specifically came to Bitcointalk first to give you all the chance to get in on the project first. I know the others will come in and then there will be not available SANA tokens for those on Bitcointalk. Gary Don't worry about Bitcointalk users. It will be only their fault when your tokens will be bought by institutional investors. Most of them, will go to exchanges and buy tokens there. |
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And our conversations with larger Angel Investors. What about Angel Investors? When are you planning to talk with them, if you've found any. They often visit Blockchain events, by the way. Angel investors are very important for every young project. I think, team needs to throw all their time on finding Angel investors. Their money will let the team to promote the project wider. |
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So if someone will not do that, I do not see them buying tokens because I have air dropped them free tokens. You see, airdrop participants can get up to $5 in tokens, so it can't be a reason why they won't buy more tokens. Usually, airdrops are used to attract community. Something like free candies. ) Well, many projects use airdrops. It is always better when the community consists of 40k participants, but not 1k, right? |
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Multiple Comments and Responsescancer treatment for dogs? This is an industry not so popular and it really doesn't need to use blockchain technology. Why don't you call for cooperation with other large businesses to get the best marketing and chain support?
Maybe in the country you are from cancer treatment in dogs in not popular but in the U.S. where we are putting these it is huge. 89 million dogs, 25% will get cancer and 6 million new cases of cancer in dogs each year. Americans spent $17.07 billion in vet care in 2017, more than double the $7.1 billion in 2001. If you take the time to read just a few pages of this thread you will see we have a very strong marketing plan and great relationship with company, groups and clubs involved in the dog and pet worlds. And in Europe our next target there are 85 million dogs. Major market for treating cancer in dogs. Gary I think people should add monthly dividends to the holders. Because for this industry, you will not pay attention to the value of the token and it can be drastically dropped because it is not a technology business.
or you should call more capital in other large businesses to help the project become more successful. I want to see more partners in your website in the future.
SANA is Security token with vote right and dividends. It is a question how often devidends will be payed out, but the price of this token will raise, when clinics will start to work. I believe you are correct LoraKalash, OUr security tokens will be treated like stock in brick and mortar companies. Revenue, Proifts, Supply and Demand will affect the price. It will be treated like any other company on the stock market. We are NOT a company that is a tech company in a ICO that may still only have a MVP. And they still do not even have a way yet to produce revenues. Gary Sure, this project is good, because it has workable product - the process of Cancer treatment, that is better, than any other method, known in the world. |
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People clinics we will start in the Caribbean Isn't it too expensive to travel to Caribbean to try your treatment? Or this clinic will be focused on clients from both North and South Americas? Well, when you can be cured from Cancer only on Caribbean, I think you will find money for a trip. Moreover, there will be a credit offer from the clinic. |
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I think people should add monthly dividends to the holders. Because for this industry, you will not pay attention to the value of the token and it can be drastically dropped because it is not a technology business.
or you should call more capital in other large businesses to help the project become more successful. I want to see more partners in your website in the future.
For sure the more partner, the better. The team is preparing to visit some blockchain events to show theirselves as well as to find new partners. |
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