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361  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: My jaw is still on the floor. on: December 15, 2014, 04:32:23 AM
some similarities or coincidences

Meet the Extropians
Wired

http://archive.wired.com/wired/archive/2.10/extropians_pr.html



Romana Machado - aka "Mistress Romana" - software engineer, author, and hot-blooded capitalist, showed up dressed as the State, in a black vinyl bustier and mini, with a chain harness top, custom-made for her at Leather Masters in San Jose, California, for whom she does modeling work. She was in all that garb, carrying a light riding crop, plus a leash, at the other end of which, finally, her Extropian companion Geoff Dale, the Taxpayer, crawled along in mock subjection. The couple embodied Extropian symbolism, the State being regarded as one of the major restrictive forces in the Milky Way galaxy. These people hate government, particularly "entropic deathworkers like the Clinton administration."

Early in the conference, Mike Perry, overseer of the 27 frozen people (actually, 17 are frozen heads, only 10 are entire bodies) submerged in liquid nitrogen at minus 321 degrees Fahrenheit (Cold enough for you?) at the Alcor Life Extension Foundation

Minor impediments like smog and earthquakes did not figure into his personal equation. But a change of name did.

"In Southern California, everybody changes their name: actors do, writers do. I knew I wanted to be a writer and become known, so that I could spread these ideas better, so I thought I might as well change my name," which until then had been Max O'Connor.

He spent a year thinking up a new name for himself, finally deciding on the word, More.

"It seemed to really encapsulate the essence of what my goal is: always to improve, never to be static. I was going to get better at everything, become smarter, fitter, and healthier. It would be a constant reminder to keep moving forward."

It would also be the start of a trend among Extropians: Mark Potts became Mark Plus; Harry Shapiro became Harry Hawk.

Notes:

Hal Finney, a very early supporter of Satoshi, has now been frozen.

Nick Szabo was an Extropian, and was a member at the same time as Romana Machado, Geoff Dale, David Gordon, and Russell Whitaker.

Nick Szabo is similar to Satoshi Nakamoto

Max More was Alcor CEO

Predictions in 1995 by Nick Szabo (and 6 other Extropians) on concepts including  
1,000,000+ People Using Anon. Electronic Cash and
Untaxable Economy Using Electronic Cash $100b/year.  
http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/2003-December/002244.html



http://marc.info/?l=cypherpunks&m=85281708903558&w=2

List:       cypherpunks
Subject:    Party with the Nextropians! at Nexus-Lite!
From:       plaz () netcom ! com (Geoff Dale)
Date:       1994-02-26 21:40:48
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         MEET THE NEXTROPIANS: WE ARE HERE AND NOW AMONG YOU
__________________________________________________________________________
Romana Machado - Geoff Dale - David Gordon - Nick Szabo - Russell Whitaker


Nick had a connection to Portland, OR in 1993
https://w2.eff.org/Privacy/Crypto/?f=privacy_szabo.paper.txt

From: szabo@techbook.com (Nick Szabo)
Subject: How to protect your electronic privacy -- consumer pamphlet
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 03:20:30 -0700 (PDT)

Here is a handout I've written for our next Portland-area libertarian
meeting.   Comments welcome.  Feel free to distribute freely (you
can edit out Portland-specific stuff) with attributions.

362  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: My jaw is still on the floor. on: December 13, 2014, 08:30:00 PM
http://marc.info/?l=cypherpunks&m=85281708903558&w=2

List:       cypherpunks
Subject:    Party with the Nextropians! at Nexus-Lite!
From:       plaz () netcom ! com (Geoff Dale)
Date:       1994-02-26 21:40:48
[Download message RAW]

         MEET THE NEXTROPIANS: WE ARE HERE AND NOW AMONG YOU
__________________________________________________________________________
Romana Machado - Geoff Dale - David Gordon - Nick Szabo - Russell Whitaker

So Nick partied with fellow cyperpunks and Nextropians:

Romana Machado, perhaps https://www.linkedin.com/in/romanamachado
Geoff Dale
David Gordon
Russell Whitaker

Where are they now?
363  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: My jaw is still on the floor. on: December 13, 2014, 07:36:44 PM
Satoshi Nakamoto is (probably) Nick Szabo
https://likeinamirror.wordpress.com/2013/12/01/satoshi-nakamoto-is-probably-nick-szabo/

Running similarity metrics on the whitepaper and Nick’s bit gold articles as well as his paper “formalizing and securing relationships on public networks”  indicated an excellent match over content-neutral expressions as well –so either Nick wrote the whitepaper, or it was written by somebody imitating Nick’s writing style.

  • Repeated use of “of course” without isolating commas, contrary to convention (“the problem of course is”)
  • Expression “can be characterized”, frequent in Nick’s blog
  • Use of “for our purposes” when describing hypotheses
  • Starting sentences with “It should be noted”
  • Use of “preclude”
  • Expression “a level of “ + noun  (“achieves a level of privacy by…”) as a standalone qualifier

There is also the remarkable lack of public reaction on Nick’s part when Bitcoin started taking off.
364  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: My jaw is still on the floor. on: December 13, 2014, 06:15:37 PM
Nick posted again today, (praising ethereum once again;) and I was reading and I noticed his use of the term "block chain" instead of "blockchain"

Satoshi never said blockchain. He calls the ledger block chain.  Shocked


2 years ago I decided to scan Satoshi's forum posts here just to see if there was anything anomalous about his writing style.  Anything that stood out to me.  The first thing I noticed was that he constantly hyphenates things.  He never misses a properly hyphenated phrase.  He *always* hyphenates things.  Word phrases 99% of people have no idea should be hyphenated, he hyphenates.  In fact I almost wondered if he was over-hyphenating.  Doing it randomly sometimes.  In any case .... take a look at Szabos writings .... cough ...

http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2014/12/the-dawn-of-trustworthy-computing.html

From that page alone:

ticket-selling at a movie theater
other kinds of every-day commerce
analog or paper-based institutions
participate in e-commerce
Turing-complete block chain
efforts included state-machine replication
dawn of the general-purpose personal computer
other interesting trust-minimized operations
the much-discussed "51% attack"
the oft-used word
mouthful "trust-minimized"
the cashier and ticket-ripper
decentralized or peer-to-peer
new fiduciary-intensive applications
off-chain assets or controls on-chain ones
other chain-titled assets
dry (on-chain) performance
traditional off-chain
into a single chain-controlled risk pool
low-hanging fruit

-B-

holy-fuck
365  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Wikipedia on: December 07, 2014, 06:04:39 PM
"To protect our independance, we'll never run adds"

To protect my independance, I won't give you my name.

366  Local / Nederlands (Dutch) / Is Hendrik Lenstra de echte Satoshi? on: November 29, 2014, 05:50:47 PM
Geef uw mening over de mogelijkheid dat Hendrik Lenstra Satoshi zou kunnen zijn.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hendrik_Lenstra


367  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Could this be Satoshi back in 2002 on: November 27, 2014, 08:33:46 PM
So far, I have not found any statement from him on Bitcoin, which might be conspicuous in its absence considering his background.

He also has three brothers who are distinguished mathematicians.

So who are the known Dutch people in this forum?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=79.0
And which ones have considerable mathematical knowledge?
368  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Could this be Satoshi back in 2002 on: November 27, 2014, 08:25:17 PM
Looking at the hypothesis from the opposite direction, what comments has Hendrik Lenstra ever made about Bitcoin? 

369  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Could this be Satoshi back in 2002 on: November 27, 2014, 06:42:31 PM
Not significant by itself, but may provide further leads, his public email address from May 2000

hwl@math.leidenuniv.nl.


That's Lenstra's email, are you saying that was the email of the guy in 2002 that put out the idea that some think is Satoshi?

Or are you saying yeah this is Lenstra's known email from 2000 era?



It might be useful in comparing known Lenstra writings with the vocabulary and sentence structure used by "x".

Quote
I have this idea of a future with virtual peer to peer banking. A kind of
decentralized and secured system. Gone would be the times that governments
and banks can track and interfere with our money transfers. Or even
interfere with the total amount of money on earth. My envisioned sytem would
have a fixed total amount of money. But each money unit (say virtual coin)
is divisable indefinitely. So a kind of deflation would replace inflation.
The total value of the money in the world would be a fixed number. It poses
no problem for liquidity, because the currency can be divided anytime.
However maybe people will not spend their money much, because it's value
will increase often. Other problems raise in the areas of security,
malicious use, and how to come towards such system from current systems?
These are just ideas, I like to hear comments or about net resources on this
subject.

Quote
Maybe the community can bypass the old powers (countries and governments).
It wouldn't be a revolution, but rather evolution. Slowly a new p2p system
might take over. The current monetary systems were mainly backed with gold
(not anymore now, to my knowledge). Maybe the underlying values of a virtual
peer to peer system could be other scarce resources, relatively easy to
exchange via internet. Examples are: computer processing power, bandwith and
data storage. These resources would make a limited peer to peer money
exchange system possible. Limited to the total real life value of all these
resources. However from that point other resources could back up the virtual
currency...

Quote
It is a step in the right direction indeed. Now replace the system operator
by a secure peer to peer system. And replace the underlying currency with
something else, or slowly uncouple the underlying currency. Then it would be
the system of my ideas...

For example, two posts end with elipses, two uses of the phrase "a kind of", three uses of the word "idea", in a brief sample of writing.



370  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Could this be Satoshi back in 2002 on: November 27, 2014, 06:16:25 PM
Not significant by itself, but may provide further leads, his public email addresses from May 2000

hwl@math.leidenuniv.nl.
hwl@math.berkeley.edu
371  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoiners, Stop Worrying About Everything! on: November 24, 2014, 04:14:44 PM
The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.
372  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I feel, Bitcoin is torn in a cold war between two kinds of people! on: November 23, 2014, 05:23:39 PM

The first are some  Anarchocapitalist, anarchist and some techno libertarians who want bitcoin to be away from banks and government regulations and be  a product of the Darknet

The second kind is the Venture capitalist and industrialist who want to make bitcoin an Apolitical instrument or neutral technology thereby making it consumer friendly for grandma and kids.

Both categories of users benefit from the presence and growth of the other catagory.  But they might not want to admit it.

373  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why does "Satoshi" remain anonymous? on: November 23, 2014, 04:55:59 PM
If Satoshi was alive, functional, and had the keys, it appears likely that he would have been constantly dividing, sending, and mixing his coins into randomly sized, multiple, more diverse, and less identifiable accounts.  

That he did not do this suggests that he is either dead, not interested in money (even though he created a currency), lost the keys, or feels an obligation not to debase or discredit the currency by spending the early mining proceeds.

The totality of his actions, even when he was active, suggests that he feels an obligation to the currency that he created.  In other words, perhaps he has integrity, if you can imagine such a thing.
374  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Compared to Bitcoin, gold doesn't seem real... on: November 18, 2014, 01:18:19 AM
If you buy some, it will probably seem real.  The market for gold is much larger.  It has greater liquidity.

I had some gold jewelry stolen from me once. Does that count?

It counts.  But jewelry is at a higher risk of being stolen.  It is advertised wealth.

375  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Compared to Bitcoin, gold doesn't seem real... on: November 18, 2014, 01:05:35 AM
If you buy some, it will probably seem real.  The market for gold is much larger.  It has greater liquidity.


376  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: SilkRoad 2 Taken down by Feds on: November 07, 2014, 04:25:57 PM
Despite the marketing advantages, it appears that operating a site named SilkRoad(x) attracts too many lightening bolts.

Something with a higher and more legitimate purpose.

Possible names:

  • FreeTrade
  • SelfRegulated
  • HonorSystem
  • CombatOrganizedCrime
  • GoldenRule

377  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: DO NOT GIVE THE GOVERNMENT ANY INFORMATION ABOUT BITCOIN on: November 04, 2014, 03:43:54 PM
Put the source code where the sun never shines.
378  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Any other sites similar to Circle Bitcoin Exchange? on: October 26, 2014, 04:30:50 AM
Circle and Coinbase are the one exchanges I would mess with.

They are two.
379  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: So my friends and I launched Hawaii's first Bitcoin ATM but... on: October 26, 2014, 04:08:54 AM
The best reason for Hawaii residents to buy Bitcoins now is for internet gambling.  Hawaii residents spend very large sums to fly to Las Vegas and pull the handles of slot machines, since there is no legalized gambling in Hawaii.  Buying Bitcoins locally can get them playing quickly on Seals with Clubs or other sites.

On the other hand, visitors who fly to Hawaii often wish to buy high quality "organic herbs" grown in the islands for local use.  Bitcoins might have a roll in that market, if a fast and anonymous distribution method is developed.  Avoiding an open exchange of goods for money has some advantages in that enterprise.  And it is a lucrative market.

Give the people what they want and can't get any other way.  Don't compete with Walmart.  Don't try to sell ice cubes to Eskimos.


380  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Attributes of a Promotion for Bitcoin Keys Printed inside Product Wrappers? on: October 11, 2014, 10:02:10 PM
What would be the attributes of a promotion for Bitcoin keys printed inside product wrappers?

  • candy bars, food items, etc.
  • most keys would be for fractional Bitcoin
  • some would be for multiple Bitcoins
  • links to wallets

Ideally a symbiotic relationship between manufacturer(s) and Bitcoins.  

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