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Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Poll] Burnins BitFury miner
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on: September 15, 2013, 06:24:31 PM
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Differences between €699 is and original price of €470 is probably distributor's margin mostly.
Those who think they will get their boards before early November, I suggest to think twice.
To those wanting to support burnin, you guys could always donate.
I am out and deleting my vote as conditions were changed.
I waited for long to buy a product from burnin and now seeing what was done, I can just feel sorry for the energy, time, effort and money of all people involved (including myself).
@burnin,
I do appreciate your work and effort, and if I may say; you shouldn't allow this to happen.
If distributor is to be blamed, get rid of them and do business with someone having more realistic view on market and with one willing to work with less margin.
If you can't find anyone, do it yourself or you will loose all these people waiting for your boards.
I am speaking this as a friend, and this is just a hobby for me to support network and get involved. Having said that and, I don't want to overpay what ever product I am buying and this one is too expensive for me and probably bad investment with price set way too high.
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Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Poll] Burnins BitFury miner
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on: September 11, 2013, 05:23:04 PM
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Latest from burnin Dear valued customers, There has been very little communication from me over the last few days, because the development of the BitFury boards takes up all of my time. I had to prioritize this over refund processing, because the Bitfury chips are expected to be delivered soon. Now to the important part: My new main distributor is CryptX aka asic-chips.com. Their new site for complete hardware sales will be www.asic-hardware.com. We have agreed that they will take over my end-user sales. CryptX will also take over the refund processing and automate it. I will transfer the orders that have not been completed or refunded yet and my customer database to them. After transfer of the database you can log on to their site and you will have three options: 1. You convert existing orders that have not been refunded yet to Bitfury product orders. The 70% partial refund will be deducted from your final order price. 2. You choose to get the 50%, later hopefully 70% partial refund. 3. Keep your order. If you have any objection to the transfer of your information to CryptX, please let me know by sending an email with the subject line: 'Opt out of database transfer' You have 24 hours before the transfer, requests received later will be deleted on their side. Cheers Martin |
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Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Poll] Burnins BitFury miner
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on: September 09, 2013, 07:22:19 PM
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Thanks for reply but that is not definite information. It said he will develop products further but no info about product, who are third parties and when the product will be available. Another thing is this pool, as there is no way of us telling was it successful one or not. Personally I want to buy good product and think burnin's expertise is what can provide it. I am looking forward to these boards, but if they turn fiasco like Avalon chips did, I will have no other choice but to walk away. Big issue in here is also those refunds, and which are in fact no fault of burnin, and there is no warranty it won't happen again. He wanted to be precise and on time and used money to be prepared for incoming Avalon chips, and now people who paid in advance (without reason at all, chips was not on stock yet) want refund, and some want it in full amount and don't want to realize time line of events happened. In my opinion those who want to say thanks to burnin, support and appreciate his work, should donate for the cause. |
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Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Poll] Burnins BitFury miner
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on: September 06, 2013, 02:34:44 PM
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I am watching this thread but still don't know what is the base for burnin to produce bitfury boards.
Right now he is in deep financial problem trying to refund people as much as he can, and even more than he is obligated to refund.
On other hand I have many unanswered questions:
How many votes is needed to start making prototype board?
Is there some deadline to produce boards? Does he need help to produce them having in mind this refund situation?
Where to order?
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I am interested in buying 3 or 4 2 boards.
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Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Group Buy] Avalon ASIC Chips (SebastianJu) Batch 6 ordered (Closed)
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on: September 06, 2013, 02:27:58 PM
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Few days ago I left you trust rating Sebastian. I see it is your first one beside escrow jobs you did earlier. Many BTC were involved in here so your trust rating should go sky high.  It is not the first, when I clicked to post trust for Sebastian few days ago I've seen only two escrows also. It seems that for some reason you can see only yours trust posts for certain user. That is funny. Maybe bug in trust rating system? |
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Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries
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on: September 04, 2013, 01:57:45 PM
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We may disagree about it, but my personal opinion as Avalon offered refund is that Yifu is off the hook.
This thread was created for a reason to show how orders are being late and to measure it, and now when refund is offered it means Avalon contacted us in try to undo their wrongs and we had choice to make. It doesn't mean all disputes are solved, all refunds are received, it means they are listening and reacting. I am sure at the end all refunds will be received, and still it will left bitter taste in our mouth knowing it could be allot better with little more effort.
Those who don't want to be dealing with Avalon, are free to make such a choice, but I see Avalon will fix many of their mistakes in next generation chips.
Did they made all mistakes intentionally or not, we can speculate. Should they compensate at least to people who suffered losses because of their broken promises? If I would have funds I would compensate or donate to those customers of Avalon rig batch #3 and to those who put so much effort to design and produce working boards based on Avalon chips like burnin and bkkcoins. On other hand Avalon isn't obligated to do so, as they never promised you will be making money.
I am closing this thread now when refunds are granted, this thread have no meaning anymore.
Thanks to all that helped getting wider picture of colossal fail and cluster*ck these Avalon chips deliveries have been.
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Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Work in progess] Burnins Avalon Chip to mining board service
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on: September 04, 2013, 05:30:19 AM
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Searching for a total of 31 Bitburner-Orders (without Chips). If the orders get transfered to me i refund you 70% of the orderprice.
(shipping will maybe seperatly refunded as not need by me).
best regards
Menig
I have an order of 10 full bitburners i think.. early 400 number. Not paid for yet, i assume i could give it for free if sebastianju refunds my order. If you haven't paid, it is like nothing happened. Order No. is relevant only if you paid and burnin have your chips on stock. |
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Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Group Buy] Avalon ASIC Chips (SebastianJu) Batch 6 ordered (Closed)
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on: September 02, 2013, 10:09:53 PM
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@Sebastian
What are those zeroes in Refundaddress column?
That means not refunded yet or you need some kind of confirmation?
Those are the chips that participants want refunded. Some may choose a portion, or an all or nothing thing. I'm pretty sure here. Basically, the simple "form" Sebastian sent out said How many chips to you want refunded? Notice the Y or N next to it. IAS That what you talking are chips, but if you noticed there are zeroes in Refundaddress column. |
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Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries
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on: September 02, 2013, 07:22:56 PM
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It would be nice if this list could track refund status.
I think 3 of SebastianJu group buys have been refunded.
I will be adding refunds in OP. Refunds will be noted in a way - first in, first out - so shipping delay can be calculated fairly. tiros, thanks for putting this together. I do agree that refund requests and completion should be tracked in the OP. However, I don't think that FIFO is the fair way to do it. Seems like it's letting Yifu off easy--which appears to be what's he's trying to make happen. Suppose you had two spots in Avalon's queue (among many other buyers), and Yifu says, "sorry we're delayed, you'll have to give up your first spot (refund), but keep your second," (EDIT: which is behind many other buyers) would you really think that was fair? The buying should remain FIFO (first-come, first served); thus the refunds should be LIFO. This also shows the full extent of the delay, which I think is appropriate. When refund is offered for chips shipments that were delayed, once we accept refund or carry on with waiting for delivery, Avalon and Yifu did their parts to undo (at least partly) wrongs they did. Anyway since chips from various buyers and batches are mixed now, batch number have no meaning anymore. Yifu is of the hook now, as he did right thing. Could it been better? It probably could, but we don't have all the info and know stuff that were happening behind closed doors so all we can do is to guess. Now one thing remains and that is for Yifu to process refund request and give BTC back. He did so for few batches, but zefir didn't got his and right now he is refunding his customers out of his own pocket. |
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Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Group Buy] Avalon ASIC Chips (SebastianJu) Batch 6 ordered (Closed)
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on: September 01, 2013, 11:42:26 AM
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Though batch 6 cant be refunded anyway. Isn't this changed tonight? Yifu posted this: Here's the new deal,
The form will extend to orders made before the 22nd, which is exatly 10 weeks. and every order after, on the date it is suppose to ship, we'll send out a email asking if a refund is desired. It clearly says: Before any order after June 22nd is shipped you will be emailed asking if you still want that batch. Simply say you don't. Sebastian, please read Yifu's post once more, don't let us sit with unwanted chips from batch #6 because of simple misunderstanding. I read it meaning all batches which are late can be refunded, but not before 10 weeks have gone from the order date. Avalon will send e-mail the day 10 weeks have gone from ordering. Hopefully Yifu's code now can count 10 weeks  2013-07-07: Batch 6 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-09-15 ---> + 15 days
2013-06-13: Batch 5 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-08-22 ---> - 10 days
2013-05-27: Batch 4 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-08-05 ---> - 28 days
2013-05-23: Batch 3 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-08-01 ---> - 32 days - refunded - 2013-09-01
2013-05-18: Batch 2 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-07-27 ---> - 36 days - refunded - 2013-09-01
2013-05-11: Batch 1 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-07-20 ---> - 43 days - refunded - 2013-09-01
Refunds are noted in a way - first in, first out - so shipping delay can be calculated fairly. I think it's more like this, no? 2013-07-07: Batch 6 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-09-15 ---> + 15 days
2013-06-13: Batch 5 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-08-22 ---> - 10 days - refunded - 2013-09-01
2013-05-27: Batch 4 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-08-05 ---> - 28 days - refunded - 2013-09-01
2013-05-23: Batch 3 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-08-01 ---> - 32 days - refunded - 2013-09-01
2013-05-18: Batch 2 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-07-27 ---> - 36 days
2013-05-11: Batch 1 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-07-20 ---> - 43 days
It doesn't matter, it counts how many chips want to be kept and I made a note how refunds are counted. Anyway Avalon will be shipping what remained by Wednesday next week. |
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Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Group Buy] Avalon ASIC Chips (SebastianJu) Batch 6 ordered (Closed)
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on: September 01, 2013, 10:08:41 AM
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Though batch 6 cant be refunded anyway. Isn't this changed tonight? Yifu posted this: Here's the new deal,
The form will extend to orders made before the 22nd, which is exatly 10 weeks. and every order after, on the date it is suppose to ship, we'll send out a email asking if a refund is desired. It clearly says: Before any order after June 22nd is shipped you will be emailed asking if you still want that batch. Simply say you don't. Sebastian, please read Yifu's post once more, don't let us sit with unwanted chips from batch #6 because of simple misunderstanding. I read it meaning all batches which are late can be refunded, but not before 10 weeks have gone from the order date. Avalon will send e-mail the day 10 weeks have gone from ordering. Hopefully Yifu's code now can count 10 weeks 2013-07-07: Batch 6 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-09-15 ---> + 15 days
2013-06-13: Batch 5 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-08-22 ---> - 10 days
2013-05-27: Batch 4 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-08-05 ---> - 28 days
2013-05-23: Batch 3 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-08-01 ---> - 32 days - refunded - 2013-09-01
2013-05-18: Batch 2 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-07-27 ---> - 36 days - refunded - 2013-09-01
2013-05-11: Batch 1 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-07-20 ---> - 43 days - refunded - 2013-09-01
Refunds are noted in a way - first in, first out - so shipping delay can be calculated fairly. |
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Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries
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on: September 01, 2013, 09:55:02 AM
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*** FYI *** Avalon ASIC
Chips Delivery Update, September Edition
Due to events outside of our control, the delivery of chips have been delayed so far. While the situation are improving and chips are shipping, we have ultimately decided to revert our policy on no refunds and offer the option for customers to request a full refund(in bitcoin) if so desired.
The link to the request form is below, please note this only applies to orders made earlier than June 1st.
In other news, for those who decided to wait or wish to know more about delivery schedule will be glad to note we are receiving a batch of 400,000+ chips on Wednesday, with that we expect to be in good shape for meeting the upcoming deadlines of chip deliveries for orders made in June and later.
In addition, we hope to wrap up generation one, finish shipping the chips, construct the modules and build the 2 module Avalon mini, put this pre-order mess behind us in general and switch gear into 55nm production, tape out generation 3, and start work on improving chip design for generation 4. Only sell what we can produce in a day on the assembly line, and only what's in stock. Best Regards!!!  -anykeywhy- Thanks, I got it also. It would be nice if this list could track refund status.
I think 3 of SebastianJu group buys have been refunded.
I will be adding refunds in OP. Refunds will be noted in a way - first in, first out - so shipping delay can be calculated fairly. |
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