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61  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin 190K in 2024? on: April 11, 2024, 04:02:06 PM
I do agree that it is not a simple feat to achieve something that would take some time, we all know that it is going to be a tough situation and should be simpler than before. However, we need to consider the fact that we are not going to end up with a better solution in the end. I bet that people could cause some trouble if they are not careful, so if you keep on making grand claims, then it would be awesome if you are right, and yet would be terrible if you are wrong.

This is why you should always be careful about what you are talking about. A lot of people could wait for that price to be hit before they sell, and if it never reaches there, then it would be sad, or if it goes even beyond that then it would be missed chance.
62  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Stop paying money to learn trading when you can learn it yourself on: April 11, 2024, 02:31:23 PM
Paying to "learn" is okay in my book, it is paying to learn what they should buy that makes no sense to me. I get that some people do not want to make the research themselves and that's why they end up paying others so they could be told which coin to buy and which coin to sell etc etc but the reality is that it wouldn't be smart to do something like that.

I believe that the best thing to do would be just focusing on how you could end up with a greater return if you know what you are doing yourself. That means, you need to learn how to figure out what to buy yourself, and if you want to pay to learn that part then I am fine with that, there are many great free resources as well so you do not have to, but definitely learn it yourself.
63  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why is Bitcoin the best asset for investment currently? on: April 11, 2024, 05:18:05 AM
I would rather say that investment in bitcoin is not based on what you can afford to lose, because no one that has invested in bitcoin and waited for a long time that didn’t reap their profits in it. When you’re talking about “invest what you can afford to lose”, it should be related to altcoins and not bitcoins. 1BTC will always be 1BTC until you spend some part of it that its value reduces. So investment in bitcoin should be what you are able to spare for the long term and not to use until your profit target is reached. Talking about emotional and losing funds, it should be on altcoins and not bitcoin.
Yeah, it is definitely about amount of period you can wait and not the amount of money you can invest. There are a lot of people who invested a lot of money, but did it right at bull period was ending, so they had to wait a bit and then get to bear market and had to sell so they made a big loss. Whereas there were people who got in at the right time, waited for many years, and turned their small investment into something much bigger.

This is why I believe that it would be smarter to just enjoy the ride and not really get caught up about the return or the amount. The more you think about it all, the worse you will do and there is really no reason why you should do something like that, it wouldn't really matter to you at all.
64  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: April 11, 2024, 03:49:53 AM
Next week there will be a match between Atletico Madrid vs Girona. This match will be held at Atletico Madrid's headquarters and that is an advantage for them. In the last 5 matches, the two teams were quite evenly matched in terms of match results, they only lost 2 times, but the difference was that Atletico Madrid achieved 1 draw while Girona did not.
They are 7 points away in the standings now, if Atletico Madrid can win this match then they will close the gap to 4 points, but if Girona can win then they will be more comfortable in 3rd place in the standings.
Atletico Madrid will try hard to win this match, because if they lose then they will be displaced by Atletico Bilbao who are just below them with a distance of only 2 points.
It is quite difficult to predict who will win in a tight match like this. Because I think their chances are not much different, 40/60 is probably the percentage I can give in this match.
This will be a very big match for Atletico Madrid and they will try as much as possible to win this game without minding the team they’re going to be playing against. Girona on the other hand will also be in their best form to secure their third place after dropping from first place to second place and now on third position on the standings. I am very confident for both teams and I will rate them both on an even level because they are both in need of a win in this match and would be at their best. When teams plays at their best, it becomes very hard to predict who the winner will be.
To be fair, Athletico Madrid has to win not to keep going up, because they can't get past Girona at this point, it's almost guaranteed that they can't finish in top three, so they have to win in order to avoid getting hit by Athletic Club, who are just two points away from them, a loss by ATM and a win by ATC, it means ATC will take the fourth spot, and it would be highly difficult to take that away from them too, not impossible but not ideal situation neither.

In the end, ATM could win against Girona, they are not a bad team and Girona is a good team too but a new team, ATM has been playing the same ball for many years now and a bit more established, so the end of the season games require some sort of experience that ATM has more than Girona.
65  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: DO NOT BRAG ABOUT YOUR BITCOIN on: April 10, 2024, 04:56:42 AM
I think it's completely stupid to reveal to social media or other people how much wealth we have or how much bitcoins we have invested. If we keep telling everyone about our particular assets, we may be exposed to physical threats, making it more likely that our assets or invested bitcoins will be stolen or hacked. Moreover, now people are more greedy towards digital assets especially Bitcoin. If a person has a large amount of bitcoins, if someone finds out, that person can be in great danger because other people can covet his wealth.

Additionally, Bitcoin is not legal in most of the countries where our community members are affiliated, making it even more dangerous to disclose Bitcoin investments in their countries. I have also heard of many investors who are investing in Bitcoin but they didn't even tell their family about their investment maybe they did the right thing for their own safety. Investing in Bitcoin and keeping our investment safe requires security. When I first invested in Bitcoin then when my investment passed 2 to 3 years then I told my family but it was revealed by doing a job.
I think there are some "influencers" who use what they have as a way to promote how "good" they are. So they share the amount of money they have, the life style they have, showing the world how "rich" they are, so that seems like the most important part of it.

I believe that the best thing regards to these influencers is that they do provide every single data, so people could actually try to hack into them and use the images these influencers shared, to gain access to their account as well. I am not saying it would work, but there is a bit of a possibility of it as well. This is why you should avoid it. However, at the same time, an influencer who shares nothing would find it hard to get some followers to become an influencer.
66  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: MUMU the Bull, the next Shiba?? on: April 09, 2024, 04:56:01 AM
Previous bull cycles have seen the likes of Shiba Inu and Doge dominate the memecoin world. This cycle, however, is yet to get into full flow. I think we'll have a new mascot for the bull run, and that could be Mumu the bull. Here's what caught my attention:

✅Has been holding the $20M market cap as floor price.
✅Has over 44k DEX followers, excluding those on CEX (Bitget, Gateio etc.).
✅Has strong backing from bulls, etc.

Have you come across this meme? What do you think?
Anyone who trust these type of stuff and loses all their money to these stuff, are really searching for it if you ask me. I feel like there is nothing that you could gain or benefit by investing into something this silly. Why people are looking for these things never made sense to me, and the example is even worse, even the comparison is "next shiba", dude even shiba itself is horrible, why would I want to invest into some terrible meme project, let alone the "next" version of it that will most likely fail?

I personally do not understand the mindset and logic people have when they are investing into these stuff, it makes no sense to me and they should try to avoid it as much as possible, it wouldn't really benefit anyone.
67  Economy / Economics / Re: Debt Management. on: April 09, 2024, 03:49:23 AM
There is no big deal here. And all I will say is that before you plan to collect a loan, you have a plan that when you collect the loan you will pay back within the agreed period of time. And don't take a loan when you don't have any plans in the future to pay back. Because when the agreed time comes and you don't have anything to pay back then the lender will collect your landed or any other properties to settle the loan. Even the two examples op give gave, don't take a loan because of business at the beginning. That is don't start you business with debt because it will affect you in the future if the business is not doing well. But you can take a loan to top up your business and expand it then pay back when the agreed time has come.
You can’t be trusted as a debtor if you have plans to avoid paying back on your loan. Aside that it will ruin your own reputation, it will also break the trust that the creditor has established for you. So avoid doing it as much as possible. Also, if you have the available money even before the due date comes, it’s much better if you pay your loan earlier to avoid future complications. That is if you want to clear off your debt totally. Otherwise, you might end up spending your money on some other things while losing the interest to pay back your loan, which I think is a very bad option. And one is not supposed to do that if you are a responsible debtor.
Paying your loan back is something we need to realize as important figure in our life, because if we can do that then we would be able to consider the situation to be a little different. I personally believe that we are not going to end up with such a greater return, and need to realize that life isn't all that simple, sometimes we can't pay the debt back. You need to figure out the balance, sometimes life is simple and you can pay it back easily, sometimes it is not and you end up with even more debt.

As long as you are trying your hardest, do not feel sad if you fail, because there are so many people in the world who are failing at paying their debt back and if you fail too, you won't be the only one, there are hundreds of millions of us.
68  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: When is best for a player to draw the line? on: April 08, 2024, 06:42:02 PM
If you cant be able to control yourself then you do lose in the long run, if you do accept that you are losing that completely then its fine.
Important thing on here is that you wont really be chasing up those loses.
You will never be able to recover your losses by aiming for big wins at gambling. That will only give you bigger losses. Gambling is about the chances of winning and losing. And most gamblers have a win rate with losses greater than wins. That's natural because gambling has a small probability of winning. If you are thinking about making money by gambling, you are already making a big mistake. Therefore, it is important to draw the line when a situation is not in your favor, such as losing a streak or running out of your gambling budget.
That will instead end with you losing a lot of money as well, I feel like there are situations that seems like a big trouble for everyone. I believe that we can't make it work all that easily, just because you lost some money, doesn't mean that you are going to end up with a profit that quickly, should be something that will take a while to get there.

I believe that people are overreacting to their situation when they are trying to get a win back to recover their losses. Just ignore it, even if you win or lose, ignore the previous result and keep gambling the way you have been. If you end up with no win, then your money will run out and stop that way, but do not chase the loss or add even more deposit etc to get that loss back.
69  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: April 08, 2024, 02:32:53 PM
I think the bad performances from Bayern has something to do with Leverkusen having remarkable performance. Competing against an unbeaten team can invite pressure, because even if their form is as good as last season, that wouldn't be enough to stop current Leverkusen. Chasing an unbeaten team is just a hope that they can do nothing to find solutions.

I think Tuchel has the biggest responsibility on how they have performed this season. His tactics and setup are not quite flexible that can make opponents easily analyze it to find anti-tactics when they face Bayern. This has become a hot discussion among fans since the early season. If Bayern want to improve their this season performances, They need to hire a proven coach who has a good flexibility and fresh idea.
Bayer Leverkusen without doubt have been the most consistent team in Europe's top five leagues this season but saying that it is because of their impressive performance this season that's made Bayern Munich to be poor with their own performance doesn't sit well with me and that's because Bayern Munich as a team is filled with more quality players than any other team in the German Bundesliga.
They are also very well aware that even though they are the winners at the league already, they need to keep winning to keep the momentum going. If they let the league go, and just play with bench players or youth players etc, that would make the players who have their important cup and Europe league games could get less momentum on their side. This is why they keep playing like the league is still in danger, which it is not, but that allows them to keep their momentum going and that's the most important part.

I believe that we are going to end up with a much better situation given enough time, and we could consider them as not only winners here, but have a pretty high potential to have a good chance to win the treble.
70  Economy / Speculation / Re: Will BTC dip again? on: April 08, 2024, 01:52:23 PM
Good close to the week I think, but I rely on the repeats for a trade to be valid.  Its a given we will repeat in cycles the dips and peaks to price action.    My take on this week was its positively acted in placing higher lows in the price action.  However the certainty that we have left behind the old ATH area of volume and beaten it to the point it is now support, I dont see thats beyond doubt so the market with doubt will certainly test support before it moves on.

Some believe if support isnt tested today in every way then even if we do rise, it must at a time in future come back to test what has not yet been proven.   Any gap or weakness in an area of volume left open in the price action is where an attack or attempt to sell will return to.    I dont imagine BTC is that logical or ordered but maybe it doesnt have to be, I need more experience and skill to really be sure but its no question BTC and many prices go in circles.

We're in a box of price action right now, you can draw a square around it quite easily and simply and if thats true we are due to repeat till we can break the habit.
These type of week ends, do decide a little bit what's going to happen next week (the current week we are in). I believe that a strong week close means that we are seeing a good increase and a lot of people hopeful about the future of bitcoin as well. If people didn't believe that they would make profit, then why would they put money into something they would lose money on? Obviously a lot of people think that we are going to profit from it, that's why they do invest into it right now.

This should be a good week, I am not saying we will go up a lot because halving is coming and that matters, but at the same time we are talking about a situation where we could make some money from it as well. It should be quite important to have some patience right about now.
71  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling is not place to make money is place to lose it? on: April 07, 2024, 03:28:32 PM
A good strategy is key, but don't think it guarantees you a win. If that were the case, everybody would be rolling in cash. Fact is, gambling is, at its core, about chance. You can use the same strategy over and over, but eventually, it's gonna stop working. That's the nature of the game

Thinking you can treat gambling like an ATM is a recipe for serious trouble. It's supposed to be fun, an exciting way to pass the time - not how you pay your bills. If you're expecting to hit it big every time, you got another thing coming. But, and this is the tricky part, that hope of hitting the jackpot… it's what keeps people hooked. That rush, that "what if I win?" feeling? It gets under your skin

The key is being responsible. Think of it like junk food: too much is gonna make you sick. What's the winning move here? Moderation. Know your limits, know when to walk away. Gambling can be a good time, a way to add some excitement to your life, but only if you're keeping your head on straight. The house always win. So, have fun with it, but don't expect it to solve your problems
Of course there are possibilities where you could make money, just as we do not lose all of our bets, we do not win all of our bets neither, so there is a bit of a middle ground. Yes house edge is there so the most likely outcome is that we will lose all our money and that's what people are looking at, but if we are talking about a chance to win the game then we could say that we are going to end up with a good win as well.

I believe that we should consider making some money as a good added benefit to having some fun while gambling, but if we end up losing we could say that we just had fun and nothing more. I would never suggest anyone to gamble to make money, but I would also say it is not guaranteed to lose money neither.
72  Economy / Economics / Re: "Various aspects of Bitcoin and crypto economics" on: April 07, 2024, 03:49:43 AM
this is a complex question that should be asked on a serious discussion board. however, i understand several points of the question you asked, and my view on this is that bitcoin as a digital asset actually does not need to be too complicated to understand and relate to macroeconomics. it will grow for sure, but the government is trying to limit it so that bitcoin doesn't get further into the economic system.

question related to defi and frictional ownership, it's actually just an ordinary innovation developed by developers in the crypto world, and actually i'm not that interested in it, especially in frictional ownership, it's something that is just a waste of money and investing in it's not worth it, since it has no future.
I do agree that it takes a little bit of time to get to this point, I am not saying that it is going to be tough or anything like that, but if we are given enough time then we could make it work one way or another.

Bitcoin in the world economics has a place now, back in the day it was too small to matter, but since we are above 1 trillion dollars, we are not there anymore and we do not have to fear anything, which is why I believe that we need to make sure that things to change a bit, and should be something that will take a while. I believe that we need to reach to a point where it will not be all that simple and could probably lead to having a better result so we should let it be and not really focus on anything else.
73  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: April 06, 2024, 07:29:45 PM
Ancelotti is experimenting with his squad. Ancelotti is trying to find a consistent match strategy for Madrid. Madrid played in a 4-2-2-2 formation in the last match against Atheletic Club. In the previous match against Osasuna, Madrid played in a 4-3-3 formation. Madrid played in a 4-3-1-2 formation against Celta Vigo. And in the Champions League match against Leipzig, Madrid played in a 4-3-3 formation. However, this season Madrid have played most of their matches in a 4-3-1-2 formation. And if Ancelotti wants to keep this formation unchanged, maybe Madrid management will decide to sell Rodrygo.



Personally I think Madrid will not keep Rodrygo in the squad next season. Although Rodrygo is a talented player, Madrid are not getting enough support from Rodrygo. Rodrygo's performance is quite erratic. Moreover, several Premier League clubs are interested in adding Rodrygo to the squad.

Rodrygo with EASY decision to make over €100m Premier League move

Several big teams like Manchester United, Manchester City, Arsenal and Liverpool are interested in adding Rodrygo to the squad. And they are ready to pay big amount for Rodrygo.
I feel like if he leaves, that would open up so much stuff for real, but that's also a big trouble for them at the same time. They raised him basically, he got there when he was so young, and he has been doing wonderful there so much, not that they do not have anyone who can't play there, if they want to they could even make Valverde play there, and it wouldn't matter to them. They have way too many midfielders in theory, but they have players that can play in multiple positions.

Look at Jude and Vinicious all season long, they played sort of like a striker at this point and people do not see that. I think the best thing to do would be making sure that the yare dealing with a team that can play positionless, anyone can play anywhere.
74  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: DO NOT BRAG ABOUT YOUR BITCOIN on: April 06, 2024, 03:12:35 PM
If you are held at gun or knife point for your bitcoin, it is because someone has found out you have bitcoin, another very important reason why you must never discuss it.
It’s always ideal to keep your investments private and limited to yourself only. Be it bitcoins or any sort of investment, don’t share with others, it will create unnecessary attention from the jealous people. Yes what op said keeping a multi sig wallet is a good option, but all type of investors may not show interest to use it. Hence, it’s better to not spread the news about your investment with others.
I agree that taking extra precautions would be fine, and you should definitely do that, but that doesn't mean that you are going to get anything good even if you take a lot of defensive measures. The best one is to shut up about it and do not tell anyone, that way you will do fine and not have to worry about anything at all.

I am pretty sure that we are going to end up with something much better, and should be considering that as a very valid situation that could get better. I am not saying that its going to be easy, but keeping your investments hidden is the best way to go. I believe that we are going to end up with a greater return if we do have the time for it, and should be considering the situation to be very important in the end.
75  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Quick way to learn bitcoin trading on: April 06, 2024, 04:51:24 AM
Hi is there a quick free beginner course to learn crypto trading anyone can recommend? (no scam we`ll make you money if you give us money links please)

I have a financial background so its not completely alien to me just looking for something to get started
Well, your financial background will help you become successful in trading.
What you don't have IMO is researching skills.

Anyway, it's good to ask here because we have experts here in everything from programming to trading etc. As for course, there are many free courses online that you can use. You can also watch YouTube videos that can help you to start in trading. Just don't expect too much because even though you will read and you will watch, you have almost 100% chance that your first capital in trading will lose. Expect your first capital to be a lost money because that mostly is happening to first time traders. Quick free beginner course? There are many online, but quick profit in trading doesn't exist. Smiley

You already said that you have financial background in trading so I guess what will I say is that, expect for the worst because what you think that will happen will not be the one that's happening. Tongue Good luck OP.
Yes, having some sort of help here means that you are going to get the best of both worlds, you are going to not only learn how to do something better, but also you will end up with multiple people arguing which is the best way, meaning that you are going to be guaranteed to get the best way since nobody can tell a lie to you.

If anyone tries to tell you their best way but it is a terrible way, someone else will come out and say that is wrong and the better way would be something else. In the end, having a financial background means that understanding things would be easier, and if you do research very well too, then you are going to get everything you are looking for in this forum with this many people around.
76  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Countdown to the 4th Bitcoin halving.. what should we expect? on: April 05, 2024, 04:29:05 PM
Expect nothing? BTC will eventually go above $100k everybody can see that but is it going to be enough for you? Everybody is living their own reality. Depending on how many coins you hodl and what your entry price is, your expectations may vary a lot. So if you don't expect anything, you won't get disappointed if nothing happens. However, if something slightly good happens, then you will be very happy because your expectations were very low. (basically nothing) That's the secret recipe of being a long term hodler. Just pretend dead because dead people are the best investors according to Fidelity.[1]
One thing I always say is that expectations hurt.
There is nothing wrong with thinking positively and being optimistic, but too many expectations will only disappoint you. It can be even more painful when you want to invest in projects that pay off over a long period. We should keep our minds ready for any situation because trading is not something in which you will get fixed and constant profit.

I am very optimistic about Bitcoin like all traders, I am optimistic that BTC will go higher, but I always keep my mind open to the possibility that anything can happen so we should be ready for any kind of results in the short or long run.
Yeah true, you can't make profit all the time, there is no scenario which that could even be possible. What we aim at would only be trying to make profit whenever we can and hope that overall it's in profit. You can lose 10 make 20 and be in profit, that doesn't mean you never lost, you just won more than you lost that's it. If you can aim at that, then you are going to be doing a lot better without a doubt. Lots of people miss that part of the deal and try to not make a loss.

With this new halving, I bet that there will be a lot of people who will make a lot of money, we all make money during bull run, but unfortunately there are way too many people who will hold way too long and take too many risks and lose more than they earn when the bear comes.
77  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Sold all my shib for litecoin on: April 04, 2024, 11:29:24 AM
Litecoin is a good altcoin but not an altcoin that can give you many profits as Shiba Inu would had. Shiba is risky than Litecoin and it is due to that high risk that the reward is also high. Litecoin can get an ETF in the future but that won't make the price to give you Shiba Inu kind of return due to the popularity that Shiba Inu has. Shiba Inu is a meme coin and they can pump for no reason and also pump as other memecoins are pumping. I won't had sold my Shiba for Litecoin but hold it.

You made the first mistake by selling your Bitcoin for an Altcoin, you made 20% gain but holding Bitcoin would had made you same or more gain. Bitcoin will rise very well as we are having Bitcoin halving soon therefore it wasn't a wise decision to sell you Bitcoin. Litecoin is an old cryptocurrency and most time old cryptocurrency don't get alot of hype in the bull market as new cryptocurrency takes all the hype.
This is why I believe that it would make sense if we could just let it be, there isn't really any reason for it to grow any differently. Litecoin should consider what we have as normal and not really make anything that grows any differently, we need to just make it work that way.

Litecoin is good and should not be something that could risk anyone. Shiba on the other hand is something that is quite risky, and that is why I do not think that anyone should hold something like that, it doesn't make sense to buy something and keep it for a year, or even more. If you ever end up buying shiba, you buy it for a very short period, maximum of a month, usually quicker, and I will go even further and say that you shouldn't even buy shiba ever.
78  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bull run again, huh on: April 04, 2024, 01:15:09 AM
From the recent bitcoin market movement, it shows that we may likely not see any dip drop in price at least for the time being up until bitcoin halving that is just a few days away from this day, I think with a little drop and pick ups we will ride along to the next major face of the market that will determine a whole lot for the next phase of bitcoin, bull market is around the corner already since bitcoin made the benchmark of a new price high and also being stably above the last 2021 all time price.

Those that are experts in DCA will be making alot of gains along the line and also record's alot of loses but in the end we are going to have a provable long terms gains on the market in the coming months.
Optimism is good and we are all optimists, but one thing should always be kept in mind whether the market goes up or down is not in our hands, so we should always prepare ourselves for all kinds of situations.

I have noticed that new people coming to this forum are following our posts, many people trade believing our predictions to be correct. So we should never say with certainty that this is the time that the market cannot go down from here or it is time that the market will only go up.
That's why I always say that anything is possible in the crypto market and you have to keep your mind ready for any eventuality.
A trailing stop loss works best during these situations. We know that it will go up but we should fear about it going down, so what I suggest is putting a stop loss at night before you sleep, to 10% lower than what the price is at that moment, that means even if it goes up, then you will rearrange the situation and change it a bit.

I believe it could do very well and we could probably benefit it as much as we possibly could. That should not be an issue for anyone, and we could probably get a much better result. I know that people worry about a fall, but they should take advantage of the increase as much as they can without a worry, a trailing stop loss allows people to take advantage as much as they can without worrying about anything else.
79  Economy / Speculation / Re: Is the current bitcoin bull run confirmed now ? on: April 04, 2024, 12:22:25 AM
I would lean towards the second scenario because there is no reason that with newly approved ETFs and large funds yet to reap any returns from bitcoin, they would ever let this bull season end. As far as I know, funds are still focusing on accumulating bitcoin every day, there are still no signs or evidence that they have taken profits, so it can be said that the bull season has just begun. Also, I believe this will be a super bull cycle due to a combination of factors and this bull season will last until 2026, that's what I'm thinking.
I agree, those investments were made but not matured yet, there will be a lot of increases eventually that will help them and I am guessing that it is going to be something they could benefit as much as they can afford to. That means that the price will probably go up more, and not that we have seen the end of that investment, we are going to see tens of thousands of bitcoins to be bought more than this, which will make the price go up even more.

I feel like there is a scenario where things can't change that much and should probably end up with something that will be profitable for us as well. Small retail investors like us get the benefit from these big whale corporations buying more and more, so we should be quite happy about it.
80  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: April 03, 2024, 05:06:55 PM
I don't think there will be any revenge motive for Bayern Munich. They have already been dominating the Bundesliga for so many years and finishing only one season like this wouldn't be enough to break their general domination. But one thing is certain that this might really be the start of something different on one hand.

Juventus domination in the Serie A comes to my mind. After their title streak was broken we started to see quite many different champions. It is more difficult to see that many different champions in the Bundesliga though but at least Leverkusen could continue to be a title contender as long as they have Xabi Alonso.  Smiley
I mean that was also a bit about Juventus as much as it was about other teams. For their case, Juventus got worse and that is why other teams managed to win the league, in this case Leverkusen did not lose a single game so far to win the league, Bayern is not doing amazing that is true but not like the yare doing terrible neither, look at Juventus now, the yare not doing that well.

Plus, Bayern is losing fair and square, whereas Juventus was hit with so many penalties, and I do not mean the one that made them drop to lower league, they won so many titles after that, I mean like even as recent as last year where they were punished. That is why I think it should be important to realize that Bayern and Juventus situations are not similar.
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