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481  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: How long to learn trading? on: October 21, 2023, 11:19:23 AM
This happens in different ways for different people, there are people who are able to independently master new material very well, of course, for such people it will not make much difference whether they study the subject of interest on their own or not. But there are those who can stop at elementary points and without outside help they will not be able to move further, or will master this subject relatively poorly.

I tend to think that the average person will get better results if they work with a tutor than if they study the material on their own. It also depends on how high-quality material they can find for study. I think that if you want, you can find almost everything that might be interesting to you.
Depends on the person of course, I personally prefer to learn it by myself without a tutor but if you think that others would have easier time with a tutor then you could be right, I am not going to argue against that. My point was that you are learning from someone else one way or another, if you have a mentor then that mentor is explaining to you how you should trade and what things mean, but if you are "learning by yourself" then you might be watching a youtube video of someone, isn't that also learning from someone else too?

I would guess that in either case you are learning from someone else anyway, so I would rather find the material that I like to find and then study that instead of being limited by some mentor who would teach only his way that worked for him, because what may have worked for someone may not work for me at all.

It's better to have no limitations on your studying because it would result with different opinions and you will have the chance to pick whichever fits you better, after finding that one which fits you and your character the best then you will start trying to build something that could make some return and could be a greater profit in the end for you.
482  Economy / Speculation / Re: The future of Bitcoin: Bullish or Bearish on: October 20, 2023, 06:12:23 AM
If we have happened to witness how bitcoin moves from scratch to its present position, how it’s price has surge high despite of its price declines, then we will know that bitcoin future is not to stay at its bearish position but to always move forward and soar high until it reaches a new all time high, and when it happens, a bullish market will take over.

    However, with some factors that will easily affect the price of bitcoin, some have been blinded that bitcoin will find it hard to be bullish again and that the bearish market is here to stay. Well, actually both bring opportunities for every bitcoin investor. But if we are talking about how the future of bitcoin will be, then obviously its destination is to achieve a very bullish price that makes it highly valuable compared to any other crypto coin.
I do not think that bearish market could ever be here to stay, we have more and more people who are buying and holding for the long term, making the supply even less, so when the price starts to go up even a little bit, there will be a lot of people who wants to buy but there won't be that many bitcoins left to sell, sellers have a harder time if they want to keep selling it and drop the price, they need to convince others to end up selling their holdings, and that's not an easy job during a bull run.

So, bearish will not be all that easy and should not be all that possible, sure it happens sometimes but that doesn't mean that it will happen at all times and we should be seeing it change one way or another for sure.
483  Economy / Economics / Re: Young people needs productive mindset to be happy in life on: October 19, 2023, 12:38:41 PM
Things has really changed unlike before when a graduate is coming out from the university their are job opportunities around the corners, people don't even stress themselves to acquire skills as an alternative just in case they don't get a job. Getting a job as a graduate some years back was a thing never to argue about or think about.  In this recent time things have really changed, expecting so much from the government as a graduate can lead people into serious problems.  The life we live now is so unpredictable, no one can be sure of practicing their desired career from what they have learnt in school.

I think if people really want to be happy in life, expecially undergraduates and young graduate they should learn not to give all expectations of having living job from the government.  If people create the mindset of being creative and productive in this era they will live a more happy life than putting all expectations of getting a dream job from the government.  A productive mindset is what young people needs to make life easy and worth living.
That's the thing about current era, creativity is trying to be taken away from  you. You want to write?
You have chatgpt that writes for people, maybe it is not good enough for now, but it may get better than ever, or you want to paint?

Midjourney can do it better than you already, you need to work hard to be better, but by that time it could improve to be better than you. Creativity is getting killed, and automation is getting many jobs for the past 100 years as well. So, what do we have left?

I do not think that humanity has anything but staying lazy left for them to do. In an unreal world, we could literally share the wealth that all these improvements have made and not do a damn thing and just enjoy world, obviously that's not the world we live, people hate sharing.
484  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Give Bitcoin investment time on: October 19, 2023, 10:36:23 AM
The same thing applies to me. I'd rather keep my invested Bitcoin to a wallet that is on my care, making it grow through staking that offers a small amount of interest is not really worth the risk.
Not your keys, not your coins.
Staking your coins on any platform is unofficially losing your coins to that platform operators.

Holding your coins in non custodial wallet and only you hold its private key is a safe practice. I don't see convincing reason to stake my coins anywhere to get low APY but if it gives me high APY, that is abnormal and I smell risk of scam or Ponzi.
I agree that type of thinking and people who are not veterans should be a lot more careful but personally I do not really deal with that. I can't really bother with "not your keys not your coins" at this stage of my life, ı trust Binance more than I trust myself at this point, plus I have connection to my account anywhere in the world and do not have to carry anything. I am at a different IP? They want to ask something? I know my google auth, my mail, my password and I have an image of myself anytime they want to ask that, with my ID as well.

So all in all, it is going to be something easy and doesn't really bother me. I get that you may not like that, and there are a lot of people who do not like that type of thinking, but even the biggest companies are doing that, you think places like microstrategy put in that much money and put it on some cold wallet? Of course not, they use companies like coinbase to store their wealth there and they are protected in that sense.
485  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: why meme coins are trending? on: October 19, 2023, 07:00:40 AM
Honestly, I donno why meme coins are trending. But the recent fake news on Bitcoin made me swap all my memecoins to Bitcoin on Bitget Swap. It was easy and fast. I think I won't make another decision until further notice.
I don't know if the @OP only putted his title as I clicked bait but his last sentence seems like an answer too to it. Other than that, new meme coins are created whenever there is a new trend, so it's a no-brainer on why a meme coin can get trendy.

Anyway, I'm also aware about that fake news you are talking about. Is it about the Bitcoin ETF right? But for me, that's okay if you exchange all your meme coins to Bitcoin because Bitcoin is more valuable than them. Maybe you can regret more if you didn't do it because most meme coins value can only decline and there is a low chance that they will also pump during the bull run period.
486  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: How long to learn trading? on: October 19, 2023, 06:20:42 AM
How long it takes to learn trading depends on how who is teaching you.
Are you paying to be taught or are you going to be self-taught?

You are likely to learn faster if you have a trading coach. The time you would have spent researching a question and finding the answer to some trading problem would have been answered by your trading coach within minutes.

Another factor to learning trading is are you learning full time or part-time. By full time, you are giving all your attention to learning it by part-time you have other jobs and you learn at your pace. Those who learn trading full time will start applying the principles of trading faster than those who are learning trading part-time.
I would say that learning from others and learning all by yourself is not as different as people think it is. I understand that when you talk about "learn from others" you are talking about someone actively teaching you, but even if you are learning all by yourself, you are technically learning from someone else because all the books you read all the videos you watch all the articles you check they are all made by someone.

I would prefer that of course, because I would be able to learn it from many different people and the result will definitely be great, I know that it shouldn't be all that different or difficult but that is what you should be doing in the end, it will give you a better approach to it one way or another, would be smarter to have different views.
487  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Trading on your own vs social trading and copy trading on: October 18, 2023, 08:28:11 PM
I think that by trading on my own I am just overtrading...I am looking for options to get trading ideas/trading signals etc to analyze those ideas and select only the best ones.
What options does one have to view trading ideas/signals from other professional traders?
Signals are actually great for beginners, but it is still needed to be back up by your own strategies and analysis. So basically, the best thing that you can do is to invest in doing research and educating yourself. I think it is also a great idea to seek help from experts and experienced traders who are giving free education about trading. For they are the best people that you can asks for advice from since they are the capable ones. And besides, no one who just started is good right away. Certainly, it will take time and will require a lot of effort. The best thing that you can do is have the knowledge and make experiences out of it. Because at the end of the day, you will still decide for yourself, and other people will not decide for you.
I believe that if we are not careful with what we are doing then the result will not be all that interesting, we should be focusing on something that's a bit more different in the end. I get that people may not like the situation we are in right now, but we just need to find a balance between them without a doubt. I know that life is not all that easy and we could end up with a troubled future if we are not sure about what we are doing but that's how it's going to look.

So, figuring out what we can do all by yourself is the only way to go and shouldn't really move any further than that, it can't really change anything at all. I know that it's going to be quite troublesome one way or another, and yet it is not going to be all that major at all.
488  Economy / Economics / Re: Recession? How to face It? on: October 18, 2023, 06:22:50 AM
Economic downturn can be a curse in life if not planned ahead. Many people are discussing that economic recession will come and it will be on a very large scale. Many people discussing the same topic means that something like this is definitely going to happen in the future. As experienced economists are warning us in advance, we need to be alert about this as well as do some pre-planning to overcome the economic downturn. It is natural that people will lose their jobs when there is an economic recession, so after losing a job, you have to think about how to get good financial support from some other means. If we have alternative businesses and if we can save money for the future as well as invest in a site then I think we will be able to weather the economic crisis.
The period where you lose your job until you find a new job is the hardest and the weirdest part of the world and not usually all that common as well. I have worked all my life, with some months in between when I did not work and I can guarantee you that I did not had any financial trouble during the non-working parts of my life whereas I had huge huge huge financial trouble during the times when I worked.

The main reason for that is the fact that I always had a small savings during the non-working part, like the company pays you when you leave, and I knew that I was not working so there was no income, and I spent very very  very little, like barely anything, just surviving, nothing big, not even spend big on food, very tiny amounts.

However, when I am working, I know that I have a salary, so I get to end up spending even more because I trust on the money that will come soon enough and that was the issue that I faced with and that caused some trouble.
489  Other / Off-topic / Re: 10 platforms where you can earn money performing tasks on: October 18, 2023, 04:34:04 AM
For me, the Bitcointalk Platform is ranked number one among the 10 platforms that you have described one by one above. On the Bitcointalk platform you can earn BTC fractions by following the signature campaign, you can also earn money by selling services here. Many users use the Bitcointalk forum service to increase their wealth by selling goods and services.

Everyone who has experienced how easy it is to make money on the Bitcointalk platform will always take the time to visit the forum. Here there is also a high level of trust, every transaction that occurs will always benefit both parties. I have never used another platform, Bitcointalk is the only platform I have used so far and have benefited a lot in terms of money and knowledge while I was here.
I agree, I have seen this list before and worked with some of them before, around maybe 10 years ago or so, and maybe it could be a good side income for someone who has a poor nation, but that is it. I mean this isn't even side income for an American, it is not a side income for a British or a German, it could be a side income for someone who lives in a very poor nation like Argentina or Venezuela.

And top of it off, that is not even main income neither, I am saying side income, so no matter how poor your nation is, you can't just live with these, that's not good enough. However, if you are a lgendary member and willing to write 25+ posts a week, then I am sure that you are going to do fine with bitcointalk income, there are places that pay 100+ dollars a week, that's 5200 dollars a year, meaning on average it is 433 dollars a month. Thinking that there are plenty of nations with less minimum wage, you could live with bitcointalk income without a doubt.
490  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Which old coin do you prefer? Litecoin or Dogecoin? on: October 17, 2023, 03:42:31 PM
Im still using litecoin for payments. Unfortunately, i have a big bag of it, so, still hope that it will be pumped next bull run
Yes that's right, the bull run starts and after a few days LTC will pump a lot more I think but if you look at LTC's transaction fee or transaction time you will definitely see DOGE is lower and cheaper than LTC. But for profit, the current price of LTC is $62 which is about 84% down from the 2021 bull run price. Yes, it will hit $450 in the next bull run. But I would say DOGE coin should be on any investor's choice list. Why will it also get a good price in bull run.
I disagree, doge is not something that I would even remotely consider investing into and I do not think that it would make sense if we wanted to invest into that. I believe that we should try to avoid it as much as you can and should not be really doing anything that would not make sense for anyone.

I get that it may not look awesome for the time being, but I believe that if we give it enough time then we are going to end up with a lot more profit with LTC on the long run. One of them only goes up due to hype and gets super high for a short period of time and if you make profit then you do if not then you miss your chance, the other is not like that at all and goes up long term consistently every single bull run.
491  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: The most risky adventure you must avoid on: October 17, 2023, 01:39:15 PM
Yes, no one can win up to a 100% ratio, but some trading plans and risk plans will work well if they are disciplined.

But can they stay disciplined?
This will be a challenge for every trader because the psychology of trading will affect their discipline in implementing the trading plan.

When psychology cannot be controlled because it is too panicky when the market is not in line with expectations, then it also affects the trading plan.
Having a backup plan is necessary to overcome the initial plan that fails due to changing market trends.
I believe that if you have a well-thought-out strategy, then you will not need backup options. You should have a stop loss for any incomprehensible market movements, and as for some unpredictable force majeure that is impossible to cope with, then nothing will help, and I mean some global factors, such as a shutdown of the exchange or something similar, in such In this case, you need to divide the funds into several exchanges to prevent the loss of all funds.
Yeah, having a strategy is always good to begin with. I mean if you are doing something that needs adjusting depending on the situation that's fine, but you need to be ready for it beforehand, those adjustments should have been known, like "I will do X when Y happens", and not really come up with it at the time when something happens. That's an important thing and should be considered a big deal, I know that it may not be all that great for the time being, but it is definitely a great thing when it happens.

I hope that we could end up with a greater return if we could get ready for anything, since we are ready for it, we should be able to overcome any issues and end up with a profit when the time comes, that's the trick.
492  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: October 17, 2023, 06:53:45 AM
Every club has its own way of managing its team, they know what to do especially in business to get profits and one of them as usual they utilize from player sales. We can see how Dortmund now, they are always consistent in their business, have the ability to form players who were originally ordinary to be extraordinary then they will sell them at fantastic prices even to their own rivals.

But in my opinion in general they also cannot if they continue to focus on the benefits of selling players, because obviously if it is done very often then maybe they will find it difficult to balance the team's performance in each competition because they are busy with taking care of the entry and exit of players, and also of course adaptation which is a serious problem when they are struggling to win trophies or other victories.
I do not think that football is there to make "profit", it is there to increase the value of the team for the owners, but not make a profit, you spend money to increase the value. Lets assume that you have a smaller club that worths 100 million, these days very rarely top teams worth that, but lets assume that you have a smaller one, barely relegating or not even in this league.

You end up spending 25 million euro on that club this year, so suddenly you are down 25 million, but if you club is now worth 150 million, that means you have made a profit, turned a 100 million club to 150 million club by spending just 25 million and that extra 25 million is your profit. This is why many celebs and rich people are buying teams, they want to spend money but gain more on the value. If you buy United for 8 billion, and they have no debt, no issues, you own 100% of the club, and you spent 1 billion on transfers, that means 9 billion total spent, but the club is now worth 10 billion? That means you made 1 billion in profit.
493  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: If not for Bitcoin on: October 17, 2023, 05:45:29 AM
Lower transaction fees, and faster transaction speeds, what does that mean? Have you ever heard of bitcoin's blockchain being hacked or experiencing a power outage? But that often happens with blockchains that you think are superior to bitcoin.

Decentralization is the deciding factor in the quality and value of cryptocurrencies. If altcoins don't have them, they're nothing more than a pile of garbage created for purposes other than bringing us real solutions. As I see it, altcoins are just used for hype and pump and dump rather than actually providing truly useful utilities like bitcoin.
I mean just because it doesn't get hacked doesn't mean that it is perfect, we could always improve something. We do not have to improve it like crazy, but we could improve it. This means that it is going to take a lot of time for bitcoin to be perfect and in fact I think it will never be perfect, we are going to end up with something that will change things. We should be careful about what we are doing and based on that we could potentially do a lot better or worse.

We need to arrange it in a way that it could help with us a lot more. Sure, it is better than the rest, I am not arguing against that, yes it is the best but just because it is the best and I do not think that it will change anytime soon, it is going to be pretty similar if it doesn't keep on improving. I believe that we need to get bitcoin to be better.
494  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Crypto Market on the Rise, But Proceed with Caution! on: October 16, 2023, 05:39:43 AM
I still do not think that a single ETF application could make it all that higher and make a big deal. I get that some people love that but that doesn't mean that it will make it grow THAT much. October has been good because people believe those type of things, and because they believe in those type of things they end up with a return like this as well. I am not saying that it will be any different, and I am not saying that it should be a big deal, all I am saying is that we could definitely end up with bigger returns one way or another.

I hope that people could see that when they are hyped and seeing it as "uptober" or whatever they are calling it, they are buying because they are hyped, and because they are buying it goes up. Reaching 28k+ is a good feeling but I believe in order for it to stick we need to get to 30k+ levels before we are happy, 28k happens all the time but then drops back again unfortunately.
The difference is that "doing better" and 100k+ type of things are important things. We should remember that we are going to end up with a result that is higher because it's a good thing and we should all be looking for that but that doesn't mean that we are going to end up with a good return that is like ATH, if it happened today for example then I do not think that we are going to end up with that.

At the end of the day, we are going to end up with a profit that would be something that could hurt you on the long run. I get that it is going to be something that can make it change if we are not careful. I think the best case would be having it, and just hold it until it happens, because even if it doesn't happen then we are going to see the increase on the halving anyway so that should be the important thing.
495  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Things we should know about the price action on candlestick pattern on: October 15, 2023, 06:15:12 PM
I thought this is just a simple multiple test of resistance that creates distribution cycle or perhaps a downtrend.

Because as far as I know, if a resistance or support has been tested multiple times, it gets stronger or is less likely to breakout/breakdown from that range, which is seen from the chart. A more effective approach I guess is to ascertain first the relative strength or weakness of asset vs the leading cryptocurrency, which in this case is bitcoin.

But hey, that's just me as we all have different insights on how we are going to trade the market.
Sometimes, but sometimes what is tested gets weaker, because it gets a piece of it destroyed. Imagine it like a wall, so lets say you want to go above 30k, but there is a wall at 30k, the more you hit that wall, the more possibility that it will break down eventually.

However, the most logical thing that happens most of the time is that when people hit that wall, they say there is a wall here and move somewhere else, just like how if you hit a wall, you do not keep trying to go through it in real life right? But there are rare moments when people are fed up with going down, so they just push through it, and with millions of people buying, that means millions of people punching the wall, soon the wall crumbles.
496  Economy / Economics / Re: The economics of war. How does this affect us all especially us in crypto? on: October 15, 2023, 01:53:22 PM
If there are wars like what is happening now in Russia vs. Ukraine and Israel vs. Hamas, I don't think we crypto enthusiasts will be affected much by this, except for the people who believe in crypto who are in the country of war itself.

People like that opportunity, and our crypto assets should be stored well, not only in hardware wallets but for USBs or sny cold wallets. Physical things can be damaged, but not digital assets like Bitcoin. The economy can also be affected, but not the digital assets we have. The recovery of the country may take a long time when the war ends.
But if the economy is affected then our crypto assets will also be affected because the cryptocurrency market is also part of the world economy. If there were no war, inflation or crisis, I believe the market would develop better and we would be significantly more profitable than we are now. Is your cryptocurrency portfolio profitable or is it still losing value due to market declines? That is also the impact of the war on investors like us.
I feel like we are on the opposite side of the story though. When there is nothing bad, no wars, no famine, no bad things going on, then why would we even need anything like Crypto? Fiat would be fine as well and we would all do fine. Obviously cyrpto does better because when all those things happen, there is a good reason for fiat to drop in value, and that makes gold go up, that's how it has been for hundred years now, fiat goes down and gold goes up.

Nowadays, we have a digital gold, which is bitcoin and that means when things go badly then fiat loses value and when it does, people use bitcoin and buy it and store it to keep its value, that allows them to do fine. Obviously people should be doing a lot better.
497  Economy / Speculation / Re: $35,000-$37,000 for Bitcoin in 2023 as my peaking barrier, is breakout feasible? on: October 15, 2023, 05:41:29 AM
I feel like Bitcoin doesn't have enough "gas" to keep up price steady until hitting 40k. I mean at least for now it doesn't look possible. Demand is too weak in my opinion. But in couple of months time things may change a lot. There could be global trend in gold prices that may cause Bitcoin demand to increase I assume. Halving is also coming. I stay cautious but feel like it may be okay to buy and wait nowadays. I also wish we could have at least tiny bit of bull market before 2024.
Yes, it's really very unlikely to hit $40k at this point or at least short term for this year. I don't know, maybe there is demand but the buyers are afraid to get it and doesn't want to take advantage of the cheap price that we have right now, really doesn't make sense. And obviously though, for those who are wise enough, they know that it is the best time to buy so most likely there are buyers but they have been out numbered by short sellers in the market.

Halving is just around the corner, and we really won't feel how time flies very fast, in the next 3 months it will be the end of the year. And then here comes the block halving that everyone is feeling nervous but at the same time very excited about it, specially for those who might experienced it the first time.
I do agree that it won't happen this year, but even if it were to happen I would guess that maybe a late December run could be the only way. I still think that it would probably not be the case and we will probably not see anything major changing for now.

I believe that the best thing to do would be just letting the price be as it is right now and then if we can do better the new can do better, but we need to let this year go like this first. After this year, I believe 2024 will see some small increases by the end and 2025 will have a new and higher ATH without a doubt, that is what I believe in. I know that it's hard to wait for that to happen but it's the reality and we just need to come to accept it how it is so far.
498  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Trading on your own vs social trading and copy trading on: October 14, 2023, 03:28:49 PM
There is technically a way to make money using the knowledge of other people, but for that you will need to hire a financial manager and to let them have access to a portion of your capital so they can trade and invest in your behalf, however those people are not going to waste their time posting their results in social media and faking their results like influencers do, but very rarely people think about financial managers when they express their desire to to follow the ideas or signals of someone else, and instead they think about schemes that are managed by scammers.
Short to say, there's no easy way, like the old saying goes, if it's too good to be true, it's too good to be true. That especially happens in wealth management and trading.

Warren Buffett and others make money from other people's work not knowledge, this is what people got wrong.

If your financial manager knows more than you, or if you think he does, then he's making money from you, not the other way round Smiley
This is true. You are not actually making profits by hiring a financial manager. In fact, you are the one allowing him to make money from you, and not that you are the one benefiting from him. That is why if you just enter trading and rely the success of your trades from the other trader's work, then you are not actually becoming a successful and profitable one. Instead, you become an instrument for their own success, while leaving yourself at loss.
This is true, you shouldn't trust someone else's smart if it's your money that is on the line and not theirs. Why would they feel any fear, they are using your money, so they could do whatever they want with it, if they are right they will make a profit and if the yare wrong they will lose money. That's as simple as it gets, and they do not have any incentive not to lose any money, not like if they lose money they have to pay it out of pocket, they are not putting anything on the table.

This is why you should always make your own trades, that would mean that if you lose money then you are losing your own money and you would rather not lose it so you would have an incentive to not do that. This makes you a lot better with your money than them.
499  Economy / Speculation / Re: The crypto market has changed and I think its a sign of mass adoption on: October 14, 2023, 03:45:55 AM
4-year cycle theory is not related to it being a historical event, but rather a clear variable in supply. Since we assume that demand increases continuously, it is this sharp decrease in supply that leads to a change in the price and the accompanying rises. If we consider that the bottom price will be the average Bitcoin mining costs. We will find that the bottom will be around $30,000, and the top could be 5 times that, which means that the new ATH will be $150,000, which is what many expect.
This means that the average price for the coming years is $60,000, and from here we see technical analyzes calculating Bitcoin price cycles based on four years or a historical cycle.
I do agree that it is going to be clear that people are going to invest based on the historical pattern, but also the main reason will always be the lack of supply to an ever increasing demand. We are in a world where bitcoin gets more and more popular every single day, it is just a fact, look at how many people ever own bitcoin 10 years ago, look at 9, look at 8 and so forth until today and you will see that there are less and less people who are not in the market.

This means that we need to arrange something that will benefit everyone on the long run and keep it going. This is why I believe that we need to arrange something that we can hold for as long as possible and the increases will definitely benefit us on the long run. This should be important because it manages our future and sure maybe the real reason why it is going up is not because of historical pattern, but they could think of it that way and we would definitely be getting a good result from it.
500  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin will reach all-time-high before halving. - BitQuant on: October 13, 2023, 07:22:19 AM
What BitQuant is saying is that before the next halving, bitcoin will reach all-time-high but it will not be the all-time-high before a massive bear market will begin again. That bitcoin will later still increase up to $250000 after halving, which would be the all-time-high.

I know some of you people will agree that bitcoin may reach $250000. What about bitcoin to reach all-time-high before halving? As for me, I do not think so and the all-time-high I am predicting is $170000.
Lolz! See predictions!! The $250000 looks like an imaginative prediction which will not be realistic. I don't think bitcoin will reach that amount before the halving and even in the bull time. Op your $170000 as of the bull market prediction is also not realistic. The last AHT of bitcoin was $67k if I am not mistaking. Bitcoin Historical Price & Events and what I am trying to say is that the price of bitcoin will not surpass $80k in the next bull market and before the halving it will climb to $40+k. It will not climb to all time high before the halving.
People are letting their imagination to run wild by predicting that we could see a new all time high before the halving, especially when there is no reason to be that bullish when bitcoin is having a massive problem to try to remain above the 30k level, now there is nothing wrong with dreaming about this possibility, but the danger is that some people may take decisions based on these kind of predictions and they may lose money because of them.
I think you are right, I do not think that we are going to see something like that happen anytime soon. I get that it may not look all that crazy for the time being but I think it is going to happen and we should be guessing that it is going to be good. I know that it is not that nice and we could probably see it change a bit but at the end of the day it is going to be a lot higher. That should make people feel happy anyway, there is no need to think that it will reach to a point where will go insane, it doesn't have to break over all time high, as long as it is higher that is good enough.

I believe if we can peak at 40k, that would be insane, that would be highest I could ever expect, anything more than that then I would say it was unexpected, and anything above 30k before halving would be prices that I like to see, that is what I assume it will be. If we reach somewhere between that 30k to 40k range then I will be happy and that is more than enough for us.
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