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Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Ubuntu Natty Narwhal 11.04 Mining Guide / HOWTO
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on: June 07, 2011, 02:20:43 PM
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ERROR - Get temperature failed for Adapter 1 - ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series
Try DISPLAY=:0.0 aticonfig --pplib-cmd "get temperature 0" DISPLAY=:0.1 aticonfig --pplib-cmd "get temperature 0"
If that works you can save this as a script to get lots of info: #!/bin/sh export DISPLAY=:0.0 echo Card 1 aticonfig --pplib-cmd "get temperature 0" aticonfig --pplib-cmd "get fanspeed 0" aticonfig --pplib-cmd "get activity" export DISPLAY=:0.1 echo Card 2 aticonfig --pplib-cmd "get temperature 0" aticonfig --pplib-cmd "get fanspeed 0" aticonfig --pplib-cmd "get activity"
With sudo DISPLAY=:0 aticonfig --pplib-cmd "get temperature 0" Temperature for thermal controller 0 is 37.000000 With sudo DISPLAY=:0.1 aticonfig --pplib-cmd "get temperature 0" ati_pplib_cmd: Unable to open display `:0.1'. aticonfig: parsing the command-line failed.
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Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Ubuntu Natty Narwhal 11.04 Mining Guide / HOWTO
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on: June 07, 2011, 01:31:57 PM
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I have an M4A89GTD mobo and two AMD Sapphire 5830s.
aticonfig --list-adapters * 0. 01:00.0 ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series 1. 02:00.0 ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series
aticonfig --adapter=0 --od-gettemperature Adapter 0 - ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series Sensor 0: Temperature - 37.00 C aticonfig --adapter=1 --od-gettemperature ERROR - Get temperature failed for Adapter 1 - ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series
I switched the slots for the 5830s and get the same thing. I The drivers don't seem to be working. I've re-installed Ubuntu a couple times and get the same error.
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8704
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Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Mining for fee only is unsustainable.
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on: June 05, 2011, 01:35:55 PM
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Another guy who thinks that in 5 minutes he figured out what thousands of smartest people on the planet failed to spot in 2 years. Humility is surely even in more short supply than bitcoins among noobs these days.
I agree wholeheartedly. Bitcoin is the Google of finance. Lead, follow, or get out of the way!
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Economy / Economics / Re: The current Bitcoin economic model doesn't work
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on: June 03, 2011, 04:36:40 AM
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regarding: http://www.quora.com/Is-the-cryptocurrency-Bitcoin-a-good-idea/answer/Adam-Cohen-2"Fortunately, it's such an obviously flawed system that it will probably never grow to a point where it causes any ill-effects,or even impact, to world economies." Obviously "No matter what your reasoning, Bitcoin is a ridiculous idea that will not accomplish what you want." Or maybe it will. This guy clearly believes he is an expert about economics; yet he is writing a blog about a currency, not an economy. His argument about a "central bank" fails. Where is this "central bank?" America? Germany? Switzerland? The fact is, there is no workable banking system anywhere. That's why the world is financed by dodgy credit default swaps, derivatives, naked short-sells, and other financial jalopies. Bitcoin may not be perfect, but as long as it is reasonably secure, convenient, and available, it will thrive. The naysayers and demagogs can ad hominem and make all the strawmen arguments they want, but unless they show good evidence that bitcoin fails after two years, they can get get in the game or get out of the way. BTW, I have only known about BTC a couple weeks and have not yet seen any valid case presented against BTC. I am open to evidence, not just opinion.
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Economy / Economics / Re: The current Bitcoin economic model doesn't work
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on: June 01, 2011, 01:08:57 PM
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Hoarding was an unintended consequence of GPU mining that raised the difficulty factor against CPU mining. Unless more people get GPUs, the majority of bitcoins will be in the hands of a few people. Bitcoin will die unless they are spread around. It is up to the bitcoin holders to develop a means of getting bitcoins into the hands of others or all interest will be lost in them. No one else cares enough about bitcoins to do this for them.
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Economy / Economics / Law of unintended consequence.
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on: June 01, 2011, 10:58:25 AM
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I suspect Satoshi and others did not expect mining to be conducted on GPUs. With miners each virtually owning supercomputers with regards to bitcoin, far fewer miners are needed to drive the difficulty way up. I think this is causing two issues. First, because mining requires fewer people to drive the difficulty up, bitcoins are distributed to fewer miners. Second, because fewer miners receive bitcoins, fewer people are able to get them the easy way. Third, with fewer people receiving bitcoins directly and the bulk of them going to so few, they are seen as objects of curiosity, and not objects of opportunity by would be cpu miners.
There needs to be a solution to get bitcoins in the hands of more people. Even small amounts of bitcoins spread around would create awareness and usefuless for them. I realize that they can be exchanged by financial institutions, but it is too inconvenient for most people to trade them that way. First, we need easier ways to spend bitcoins. I think namecoin can be used as a vehicle to create virtual and anonymous documentation (such as invoices and receipts) for bitcoin commerce. Second, we need a safe wallet solution for people to store them. Third, we need smartphone apps created that can be used on even the most basic phone OS with internet access. These conditions can help spread the usefulness of bitcoins. Am I missing anything?
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Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Dead/forbidden Links
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on: May 31, 2011, 04:08:49 PM
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On the bitcom.org website reside the following links: FAQ -> https://bitcoin.it/wiki/FAQWIki/Help -> https://bitcoin.it/Trade -> https://bitcoin.it/wiki/Tradeand many more. They all lead to a "Forbidden You don't have permission to access /wiki/FAQ on this server." error message. So I have two questions: 1) How can bitcoin gain trust of people while not caring about their main homepage? 2) Doesn't it seem kind of dubious forwarding from dot.org to some italian content? Can anyone who is involved with that website (and supposably wants bitcoins to be accepted by 'the people') attend to that problem please... thanks. PS: Don't tell me it's a browser-/system-/language-related problem, as I'm able to do any 'real currency'-stuff with the same configuration. Thanks again, Frnk Bitcoin isn't dependent on anyone caring. The website is a courtesy of developers/fans. Having said that, it would be nice if someone put some serious time and effort into a good website for laymen.
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Economy / Economics / Re: A Resource Based Economy
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on: May 29, 2011, 02:41:50 PM
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Since no one answered my question, I guess we can say cornucopian communism instead of "resource based economy". It's more accurate. A libertarian society, despotism an statist capitalism are based on resources too.
AI for president! Communism needs a benevolent dictator and a futurist AI can do it. I guess we can bury all political and economic books and just wait for the computer to say answer 42. Don't think, AI will do it for you in the future. What's wrong with our society? Doesn't matter. AI will find out.
Use whatever labels you want. What are you afraid of? Computers run your car, your power grid, your traffic lights, and nearly everything else. We are dependent on computers. Monitoring and distributing resources with maximum efficiency requires computers. I don't know why you think an AI would be a dictator, it would just be a machine. If Karl Marx had know about computers he may have written an entirely different book. Cornucopian communism? I'm not sure what that means, but in the context of a superior AI, it seems it would work pretty well.
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Economy / Economics / Re: A Resource Based Economy
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on: May 29, 2011, 05:25:14 AM
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Is there scientific proof we can develop and AI system that either itself will be significantly smarter than humans, and at very least human like in it's mental capabilities, or a system that that will be capable of designing AIs better and faster than humans to the point it will give us such "god AI" ?
I mean, sure we're getting closer and closer, but is it more like the sound barrier, getting harder and harder until a tipping point where it will suddenly become super easy, or is it more like light speed, requiring exponentially more effort the further you go, at such a rate that makes overcoming or even just matching the speed pretty much impossible? Is it even possible to know at all which one it is if we haven't (yet) overcome the barrier?
Science only seeks to explore things in nature that we observe. Intelligence is not beyond our understanding. It doesn't require proof, only good evidence. Humans are nothing more than complex machines. Scientists have already created artificial life. AI is inevitable, if not imminent, and superior intelligence is quite plausible. Did you even read his argument?? No wonder you buy into that RBE elephant shit. A false analogy is not an argument that merits response. Computers calculate far faster than humans already. It's just a matter of making the machines more complex. If you can't make logical arguments, no wonder you don't understand RBE.
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Economy / Economics / Re: A Resource Based Economy
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on: May 29, 2011, 02:39:33 AM
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Is there scientific proof we can develop and AI system that either itself will be significantly smarter than humans, and at very least human like in it's mental capabilities, or a system that that will be capable of designing AIs better and faster than humans to the point it will give us such "god AI" ?
I mean, sure we're getting closer and closer, but is it more like the sound barrier, getting harder and harder until a tipping point where it will suddenly become super easy, or is it more like light speed, requiring exponentially more effort the further you go, at such a rate that makes overcoming or even just matching the speed pretty much impossible? Is it even possible to know at all which one it is if we haven't (yet) overcome the barrier?
Science only seeks to explore things in nature that we observe. Intelligence is not beyond our understanding. It doesn't require proof, only good evidence. Humans are nothing more than complex machines. Scientists have already created artificial life. AI is inevitable, if not imminent, and superior intelligence is quite plausible.
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Economy / Economics / Re: A Resource Based Economy
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on: May 29, 2011, 12:42:05 AM
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This pictures for sad children comic describes my feelings towards the venus project accurately, even if it is more aimed at "the singularity". Essentially, the Venus Project appears to be religion for Atheists. The core tenet of the Venus Project is that at some point jesus will return a bitchin' AI will turn up and then everything will be awesome. On top of this, the Zeitgeist films are riddled with so much bullshit it isn't even funny. Well, yeah. AI will be a reality. We will be able to create an intelligence that makes humans compare to microbes. After all, we evolved from microbes. I'm not an apologist for the Zeitgeist films, they are simply an introduction. It takes thousands of hours of education to understand the premise of how an RBE would work. It takes pure faith to believe that any currency, whether finite or fiat, to believe that they have causal relationship with scientific progress.
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Economy / Economics / Re: A Resource Based Economy
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on: May 28, 2011, 04:55:47 PM
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please ISA, VP has been thoroughly debunked here.... when are you guys going to figure out that top-down solutions really only work for the top? its time for you to get on board with the bottom-up solution VP isn't about a top or bottom solution. It's just Maslow's Hierarchy with AI and robots. It's not here yet, but when AI arrives, what will your gold, virtual or real be worth?
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Economy / Economics / Re: A Resource Based Economy
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on: May 28, 2011, 01:55:30 PM
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A Resource Based Economy is entirely plausible. The extinction of the entire human species is more plausible. We haven't been on Earth very long. It's our choice.
So is either "Resource Based Economy" or extinction? Can anyone explain me the difference between "Resource Based Economy" and "cornucopian communism"? Unless your parents charged you room and board as child, it's pretty much like that. It's people helping each other as best they can, because they can. Not hard to understand.
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