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1  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: GekkoScience BM1384 Project Development Discussion on: June 15, 2015, 10:53:50 PM
So, update.

I just got final prices from Bitmain on chips. We're organizing a two-part order, 1200 chips for me and 800 for the guy in Germany. With 1200 chips I can use 1000 as intended earlier for Compacs and Amitas (probably 600 and 200, respectively) and have 200 chips left which will allow me to do a full set of 4 of both 18-chip (half S1) and 30-chip (Prisma) boards for testing.

The portion I'll need to put up for chips and shipping is about 16.6BTC using current values. I'll be shifting funds into the 1BURGER address for now. Being as I'll be all over three states until Thursday I don't expect to take care of final business and submit payment until the end of the week. I don't want to lean on y'all for footing any of that bill, but the way things have been going, I'd probably get lynched if I didn't at least alert folks to the opportunity.

I will be happy to support development of this as well. PM'd sidehack.
I also PM'd sidehack way earlier in the development about getting some dev board design files to play with but it seems I was the only one who was interested in that.
2  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [CLOSED] Avalon ASIC chip distribution on: September 10, 2013, 06:21:20 PM
Sorry it took so long Zefir, just sent in shipping fees. Thanks for the hard work!
3  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [OPEN] BitFury chip distribution 0.36BTC/chip (October delivery) on: September 06, 2013, 03:55:00 PM
Lots of 300 is quite the investment for DIY folks...are we gonna have to open a sub group buy for those who want like 10 or 20?
4  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Work in progess] Burnins Avalon Chip to mining board service on: August 29, 2013, 09:02:58 PM
Has anyone else ordered water cooled bitburners and gotten normal ones instead? I also have some broken off parts as well.
5  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Work in progess] Burnins Avalon Chip to mining board service on: August 27, 2013, 02:42:45 PM
1 million+ shares mined with my single BitBurnerXX Smiley)
Happy milestone, 1 btc back Smiley
Congrats!
...and mine are being bounced around the postal system.  Cry
6  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Bitburner Water Cooling - Unified Info Thread on: July 24, 2013, 11:44:29 PM
UPDATE
Found a lab test where it seems that if you use fans that spin >1800 RPM a 360 radiator can dissipate about 500 watts, enough for 4-5 Bitburners.

Web archive, skinneelabs site has been down for a while. http://web.archive.org/web/20101128200330im_/http://skinneelabs.com/assets/images/Radiators/Swiftech/MCR320/MCR320_HeatLoadChart.jpg
7  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Bitburner Water Cooling - Unified Info Thread on: July 24, 2013, 11:36:04 PM
I believe you wont be able to go much further than 450MHz except you replace the power exchanger on the board (or how its named). Its already at its limits at 450MHz as far as i remember.
I am aware of that. I posted about it in burnins thread.
I have a couple of 10 chip boards on water for testing. For science!
8  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Work in progess] Burnins Avalon Chip to mining board service on: July 24, 2013, 11:19:38 PM
some users asked some questions about the waterblock http://www.burninmining.com/product/bitburner-watercooler-by-anfi-tec/

Crap...did not see the blocks are made of Aluminum! No wonder the blocks were kinda cheap. We are gonna need anti corrosion additives up in this.
9  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Bitburner Water Cooling - Unified Info Thread on: July 24, 2013, 06:34:11 PM
Reserved for real world test/info
10  Bitcoin / Hardware / Bitburner Water Cooling - Unified Info Thread on: July 24, 2013, 06:33:30 PM
Unified Info Thread for water cooled Bitburner owners (and owners to be). I have listed some parts and costs to help people decide if water cooling is worth it or not. I personally have order my Bitburners with water blocks and plan to see how far I can push the Avalon chips.

Waterblock from Anfi-tec:
  • up to 40 chips per waterblock
  • Standard G 1/4 threads for fittings
  • Wetted Materials: Aluminum <-- need anti corrosion

Additional Components Needed:
  • Pump(s)
  • Radiator(s)
  • Fans
  • Reservoir
  • Tubing
  • Fittings/Barbs
  • Hose Clamps
  • Kill coil or Biocide/PT-Nuke
  • Anti corrosive

TL;DR Did not expect to type so much stuff so the TLDR is at the top.
Pump $80
Radiator $60
3x Fans $15
Reservoir $25
10 feet tubing $5
6x barbs $20
PT-Nuke $5
Anti corrosive $10
Total $220 (+$70 per additional 2-4 Bitburner boards - estimate)

I think one 360 rad should be able to cool 2-4 Bitburner boards (1-2 Anfi-tec blocks) but I have no idea what real world temps are gonna be and it also depends on the choice of fans and radiators. Also I have no idea how restrictive the water blocks are gonna be and how many boards one pump can push. Will post when I receive the boards and do a little experimentation.

More Detailed Info
Below are some candidates for each component. I picked parts that are popular and well received in the PC water cooling community. Several options for each component exist to fulfill different budget needs. Of course you are free to pick your own favorite brands or use any existing equipment.

Pumps
Almost all these pumps are made by the OEM Company Laing. The two series of interest are the Laing D5 and DDC series. Several companies (Swiftech, Koolance, Danger Den) rebadge these pumps.

Swiftech MCP655 (Laing D5) ~$80-100 - reliable workhorse pump, been around for a while
Swiftech MCP35X/MCP355 (Laing DDC) ~$80-100 - Newer redesigned pump, runs a bit hot, more pressure for restrictive loops

Multiple pumps: Run them in series (In -> pump 1 -> pump 2 -> Out) for extra pumping power (more pressure for restrictive blocks) and reliability (if 1 pump fails water will still circulate with almost no loss aside from the failed pump). See http://martinsliquidlab.org/2011/04/26/pump-setup-series-vs-parallel/ for more info.

Swiftech MCP35X2 ~$200 - two MCP35X pumps connected in series with a custom top (top also available separately).

Radiators
Most standard radiators are measured in the number of 120mm fans it takes. For example a triple size radiator needs three 120mm fans. Other names include 360 radiator or 3x120 radiator.

The big question: What size radiator and how many should I get?
Well it's complicated. According to some lab tests a triple rad will dissipate between 50-175 watts depending on how fast the fans are spinning. See http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n494/machin3r/Computer%20Forum%20Guides/triples-v2_heatdiss-2dT.jpg
It can get even more complicated depending on the radiators fin density (how closely the fins are spaced - measured in fins per inch - FPI). Higher fin density cools better with high static pressure fans while lower fin density is designed for fans with lower speeds. If noise is important (I mean that's why you went water anyways right? Tongue) you should research as this topic is quite beaten to death on forums. Also see https://i.imgur.com/QTrlI.jpg

Swiftech MCR320 QP ~$60 - triple rad, lower fin density (12 FPI) for slower fans
Swiftech MCR320 XP ~$75 - triple rad, high fin density (20 FPI) performs better with high speed fans
XSPC RS360 ~$50 - budget version? XSPC doens't make the difference in series clear except for the RX high end
XSPC RX360 ~$90 - low fin count but its twice as thick to make up
HW Labs Black Ice GTX360 ~$120 - a top of the line model, does significantly better at 2000+ rpm fans

Fans
Another much debated category with lots of options.
My general fan speed ratings.
Low speeds: 600-1000 RPM
Medium speeds: 1400-1800 RPM
High speeds: 2300-2800 RPM

Yate Loon D12SH-12 ~$5 - a popular fan because its nice and cheap and performs well. This is the high speed version (2200 RPM). There are also medium speed (D12SM-12 - 1600 RPM) and low speed (D12SL-12 - 1200 RPM) versions available. These fans (especially the high speed one) are rather loud but for the price one can't complain.

Scythe Gentle Typhoon ~$15 - quiet yet moves a lot of air, medium prices, several speed options
Corsair SP120 Series ~$15 (two pack $30) - Theres a quiet series and a high performance series.

Reservoir
Holds water. You generally want one to hold extra water above the pump to keep it from running dry and so you don't have to refill the loop every time some water evaporates. You can get by without one by using a T splitter as a fill port, just need to carefully monitor the loop.

Ghetto Tupperware ~$5 - buy a tupperware container, put two barbs in it, call it a day. The most "budget" you can get.
Swiftech MCRES ~$25 - well regarded, cheap, gets the job done. A bit small.
Swiftech MCP35X-RES PUMP RESERVOIR ~$30 - turns your MCP35X pump into a pump/res combo. Replaces the pump top.
DIY with PVC pipe and barbs ~$?? - make a container that holds water and doesn't leak. Can't be that hard right?

Tubing
Cheaper tubing will be able to bend less without restricting flow and will be more flexible. Also quality tubing will not leach plasticizer into the water and make everything cloudy. Home Depot PVC tubing (Watts brand) is not recommended. It gets cloudy overnight.

Standard sizes are 3/8 ID and 1/2 ID.

Masterkleer PVC tubing ~$0.50/foot - great budget choice
Tygon R-3603 ~$2/foot - "better" tubing, better bend radius, more flexible
Tygon E-1000 ~$4/foot - plasticizer free, ideally won't cloud at all

Fittings/Barbs
These screw onto the component and connects to the tube. The standard thread is G 1/4 and the Anfi-tec waterblock follows this standard as well. Straight barbs are the cheapest, then angled rotary fittings and then compression fittings. In a PC you're trying to show off you might get some cool looking compression fittings but here I suggest go with one of the cheaper options. The exception is on the Anfi-tec water block. Since the Bitburners are most likely to be stacked together, I suggest the 90 degree elbow fittings as this provides the lowest flow restriction.

You will need two fittings per waterblock, radiator, reservoir, and pump. The Anfi-tec does not come with two 90 degree fittings shown in the renders.

Bitspower G1/4 Barb ~$3-4 - Several brands in this price range, I don't really think brands matter here. I mean as long as it doesn't leak right?
Bitspower G1/4 90 degree rotary fitting ~$6-8 - these turn the flow 90 degrees, best way to do it as tubing can get kinked

Hose Clamps
Don't want to spring a leak! Sometimes these are not needed. Also don't clamp down too hard or you will rip the tubing and cause a leak.

Zip ties ~$0.10 - not reusable
Plastic reusable hose clamp/Steel spring clamps ~$1 - these get the job done, reusable. More here: http://www.frozencpu.com/cat/l3/g30/c289/s720/list/p1/Liquid_Cooling-Tubing_Accessories-Reusable_Clamps_-_38_OD-Page1.html

Kill coil or Biocide/PT-Nuke
You don't want algae to grow inside the loop and gum up the works. Get some biocide or a silver kill coil.

PT-Nuke ~$5 - couple drops per liter should do the trick
Antimicrobial .999 Fine Silver Strip ~$10 - drop it in your res and let the natural silver antimicrobial properties work its magic.

Anti Corrosion
Since the anfi-tec blocks are aluminum we need anti corrosion additives or else the blocks are going to slowly dissolve away. Yes they are anodized but it won't completely stop the corrosion, just slow it down. Anti corrosives deplete and need to be replenished by flushing the loop and refilling it.

Car anti freeze ~$? - 30% concentration is what typical PC water coolers use however it decreases cooling performance as concentrations increase. In automotive applications it is used at 50% concentration.
Swiftech HydrX ~$2.50 - One bottle is good for 1 liter of water for up to 1 year or 0.5 liters for up to 3 years.

More information:
http://martinsliquidlab.org/2012/01/24/corrosion-explored/
http://www.overclockers.com/pc-water-coolant-chemistry-part-ii/

Damn...didn't expect to type this much stuff.

Additional Reading on water cooling:
http://martinsliquidlab.org/
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/277130-29-read-first-watercooling-sticky
http://www.computerforum.com/206174-how-liquid-cooling-101-a.html
http://www.techspot.com/community/topics/the-watercooling-guide-from-a-to-z.180876/

EDIT 1: Material updated as aluminum, no fittings come with the block, added anti corrosion section.
11  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Work in progess] Burnins Avalon Chip to mining board service on: July 23, 2013, 06:55:26 PM
i got 30 chips, should i order 10+20 or 10+10+10? is there a downside with either?

The 10 chip version may give you higher overclocks (>450mhz) because there is extra headroom on the regulators (20 chips at 450 is nearing max current of board). It'll probably get lower temps too. But it'll cost more.

Of course its open if you can go much higher at all.

Right, just like overclocking cpus and gpus there's a good bit of luck involved.
12  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Work in progess] Burnins Avalon Chip to mining board service on: July 23, 2013, 06:34:43 PM
i got 30 chips, should i order 10+20 or 10+10+10? is there a downside with either?

The 10 chip version may give you higher overclocks (>450mhz) because there is extra headroom on the regulators (20 chips at 450 is nearing max current of board). It'll probably get lower temps too. But it'll cost more.
13  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Work in progess] Burnins Avalon Chip to mining board service on: July 22, 2013, 08:43:17 PM
Is this problem region specific? It could be the CDN doing funky things.
I love caching and hate it at the same time.
14  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Work in progess] Burnins Avalon Chip to mining board service on: July 22, 2013, 06:48:28 PM
First one is correct but its only connector and other is only wires no connectors and need to attach it yourself.

This is correct one with cable 6in and 2 female 2pin connectors.
https://www.sparkfun.com/products/8535

I was under the impression that up to 16 boards can be on one cable so if you need more than 2 boards you have to custom make your cable.
15  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Work in progess] Burnins Avalon Chip to mining board service on: July 22, 2013, 06:37:09 PM
I think these are the right ones...
https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10650

and the wire
https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10647
16  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Work in progess] Burnins Avalon Chip to mining board service on: July 22, 2013, 04:33:24 PM
burnin,
I know it was mentioned earlier that both versions (10/20 chip) use the same pcb but will the 10 chip version come with support components placed and soldered for the other empty chain? That way we could at a later time add 10 more chips without having to place all those pesky smd parts and just reflow the chips.

Or maybe we can order a special 10 chip version or order the 20 chip but only solder 10 chips. Or this is a dumb idea...just wondering because many of us have an "extra" 10 chips.
17  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [OPEN] Group Buy #11 ASICMiner Erupter USB (YOU WANTED NEW PRICE?) on: July 11, 2013, 05:38:57 PM
Here's my attempt at the price calculator.

http://ec2-54-242-84-174.compute-1.amazonaws.com

Domain name soon. I may get bored and add some other random bitcoin calculators I've been using lol.
18  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [CLOSED] Avalon ASIC chip distribution on: June 25, 2013, 01:47:21 PM
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19  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: USA/Canada [Group Buy #2 @43/50] ASICMiner Erupter USB 2.03636 each @ 5 units on: May 29, 2013, 04:29:48 PM
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20  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: USA/Canada [Group Buy #2 @33/50] ASICMiner Erupter USB 2.03636 each @ 5 units on: May 29, 2013, 04:59:26 AM
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