How much in BTC for all 3? I'm in States.
1.1 BTC shipped. That's basically what I paid for the 2 silver ones, and a small premium for the gold B cause its a low number. Your also getting 3 Troy oz of silver with these! |
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Problems with FIAT
1. wild, unstable exchange rate
2. difficulty to obtain and use (for most people as they are all on minimum wage)
3. getting taxed fined or robbed by doing things where others are not even hurt
4. fraud/theft at banks (if it happened at HSBC, JPMorgan it could happen anywhere)
5. it enables criminals to get paid
6. there are already plenty of ways to send money online a lot easier, it doesnt really need anything new thats free, after all FIAT = added fee's
7. absolutely no protection, unless you pay for insurance or band security
8. scam companies/scammers
feel free to add to this list ^^
good things:
1. if you hand police, judges or state officials it.. they leave you alone
So you're agreeing that btc has all the same problems  Except, fiats exchange rate is not exactly day to day "wild," and the income equality problem is not solved by btc. Its still controlled by elites who hold the majority and are able to manipulate price. And if someone steals cash from you, police will at least look into it. BTC, your on your own. |
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Auctioning off some Silver Wallets Limited Edition Coins. The numbered coins available to the public stared ar #004, so these are some of the lowest available. I have the following, all come with 3 hologram stickers and a coin slab display case. Starting bids in blue, buy it now in red, all prices include shipping: Gold B Limited Edition #006 - 0.42 BTC - 0.7 BTCDesign 2 Limited Edition #008 - 0.23 BTC - 0.45 BTCDesign 1 (Limited run of 1000) - 0.175 BTC - 0.23 BTC     Buy it now prices are in red above. For more info on these this is the website: http://www.silverwallets.com/Auction ends October 12 @ 5pm EST, or earlier if someone makes a good offer. Feel free to bid on one or all coins. |
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I don't have any problems with Bitcoin. If you do, don't use it. Problem solved.
However, Bitcoin certainly does have a few useful properties unlike any other asset on the planet. This is why I will continue to use it.
Yes it use mildly useful, but I'm trying to see if there is any real, logical reason that it would be used by a large amount of people. After dealing with it for over a year, it seems like its more of just a niche internet tool, that doesn't actually have the usefulness that people (especially on here) want you to think it does. |
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Problems with btc:
1. wild, unstable exchange rate
2. difficulty to obtain and use (for most people)
3. getting coins hacked or lost by sending to wrong address
4. fraud/theft at exchanges (if it happened at Gox it could happen anywhere)
5. it enables criminals to get paid online
6. absolutely no buyer protection
good things:
1. cheap way to send money
2. only 21 mil ever in circulation
So why should more people start using btc? It seems the cons outweigh the pros.
1. no problem. That is called a free market. You want a mommy to smooth everything out like the dollar? 2. fixable by business. If there is a demand it will be met. 3. You could pay for secure storage. Like you do with your fiat. 4. Like it happened to me twice this year using a debit card? Target breach, Home Depot breach. 5. And non-criminals 6. You could pay for it. Like you do now with your fiat. There is no such thing as free protection. 1. and this is one of the main reasons its completely unusable as a "currency" 2. there is no demand, again the difficulty to obtain makes it unusable by 99% of people 3. I dont pay the bank anything, cash at home is more than secure as well 4. get a new card for free or use cash 5. yes, but certainly the black market is the most obvious utilization for btc. thats the only real new feature it brings to the table, a way for criminals to work online and avoid things like paypal 6. I dont pay the bank or my credit card for protection. In fact I make money with rewards |
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Problems with btc:
1. wild, unstable exchange rate
2. difficulty to obtain and use (for most people)
3. getting coins hacked or lost by sending to wrong address
4. fraud/theft at exchanges (if it happened at Gox it could happen anywhere)
5. it enables criminals to get paid online
6. there are already plenty of ways to send money online a lot easier, it doesnt really do anything new
7. absolutely no buyer protection
8. scam companies/scammers
feel free to add to this list ^^
good things:
1. cheap way to send money
2. only 21 mil ever in circulation
So why should more people start using btc? It seems the cons outweigh the pros.
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How do you get these codes for so cheap? Is it by means of CREDIT CARD FRAUD like all the other sellers? Why dont you sell these on eBay for 3-4x as much profit??I don't sell for you . That doesn't answer my question...let me guess your another account of sofia26? Same poor english skills... And your using stolen credit card info? Thats why you dont sell on eBay for 4x the money Please stop, who are you? Why I must answer your question. If you are legit, you shouldnt have a problem with my question. Obviously you are obtaining these fraudulently, stealing from someone, somewhere in the world who got their cc info stolen from Home Depot or Target. |
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And yeah I guess I wasn't thinking long term when I got a college degree, invested in real estate...jeez I should just beg you for advice...oh wait your just another idiot whos upset they are losing more money, and you try to make yourself feel better by saying your a strong hand. Um...college graduates usually tend to know the difference between your and you're (you are), and whose and who's... College level graduate who can't make it out of 3rd grade grammar = not high on credibility list...  #justsayin That said, while investing in a college degree is nice at face value, it also depends on the major. Fine Arts major probably isn't quite as impressive as...Neurosciences Major. And in the economy today, even college graduates can't always get good jobs. You're kidding right? Because I don't proofread forum posts I lost credibility? ?? Youre just graspibg at straws now. You also better ignore 99% of people on here if you can't handle a simple mistyped word. Ha not a liberal arts degree, an engineering degree, had no problem landing a job. I can see you're just another one who wants to take out their frustration on those who knew when to get oiy |
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Hahahaha, like I said your just another internet idiot. If you didnt sell at the top, the ATH means nothing. It wont be back there without massive gox like fraud and manipulation.
I suppose selling an asset 70% off its all-time-high means you have to rationalise any future positive price action as fraud or manipulation. Ironic since it is fairly clear that the price is where it is now exactly due to overt manipulation. Meanwhile VC funding continues to pour into bitcoin unabated and there is enough latent demand in the market to swallow 30,000 coins in 24 hours at this price level. Yes, there is VC money coming into the infrastructure. And as for manipulation, I think this recent drop is more like a return to reality. BTC needs to be converted by miners more and more to cover investments, and there are more security concerns every day. Even a fairly well known crypto site (cryptothrift) just had a security breach resulting in the loss of 15BTC. Minor, yes, but these are happening daily. |
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Most people here have deluded themselves into thinking btc is going to skyrocket sue to "imminent mass adoption!" Clearly this is not the case, and lots of former bulls are now facing the facts and turning bearish. One of the ways people tell themselves they are right is saying anyone who sells is a "weak hand." Funny because you should be calling them "smart hands."
I'll admit I had high hopes for btc, but the last bubble has no reason to repeat itself: There's no new money coming in from anywhere in the world, adoption by merchants just essentially creates lots of sell pressure, and the media is doing its job scaring people away from btc by associating it with illegal activity.
Also, what happens if another exchange (maybe btc-e??) goes down. BTC couldnt handle that.
Good luck to holders though.
You're a MASSIVE fail. How the fuck did you even figure out how to get on the internet?? Weak hands they are! No other words to call them. Smart hands are buying and holding. Most people in the world think about long term. "Where am I going to be in" 5 years, 10 years, 20 years. The smart hands are those people who think big and long. You're a weak hand looking for a quick buck. And like so many before you and many to come the bitcoin game slaughtered you. So sad... Maybe you should give Forex a go at it. #ToTheMoon Well, not even close, but good try! Smart hands made money on the up swings, like I did, and got out at the signs of trouble, like I did. Never did I say btc was going away, but short term there is no indications at all of price increase. And yeah I guess I wasn't thinking long term when I got a college degree, invested in real estate...jeez I should just beg you for advice...oh wait your just another idiot whos upset they are losing more money, and you try to make yourself feel better by saying your a strong hand. Ohh wow.. A college degree? I mean... Really?? LOL... BTW.. I bought my first btc at < $15 and mined blocks of BTC when it was cheap. I'll never lose a penny on crypto. Yes, providing massive returns already, and benefits, and will for the rest of my life. Is your precious btc going to do the same? Wait I'll answer that myself, no. Hahahaha, like I said your just another internet idiot. If you didnt sell at the top, the ATH means nothing and your returns are diminishing by the day. It wont be back there without massive gox like fraud and manipulation. But good luck, maybe more education would have benefited you. |
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How does holding an asset during a decline in its real purchasing power terms by 70% represent having a 'strong' hand?
All it represents is losing money.
A 'clever' hand would have sold up at the beginning of the year, and would now be buying up BTC.
A 'clever' hand would have three times more BTC than a 'strong' hand.
Three times!
Do you mean 'strong' as in 'dense'?
Clearly people seem to think they are superior to others on here if they hold, instead of getting out and waiting for the real rock bottom to hit, which is what the real smart money would be doing. Also waiting for any signs of life, and waiting for fraudulent trading activities to be uncovered. There is too much still going on to not think btc can crash further down to $100 or less. Then smart money will come in when the dust has settled. Now you're advocating attempting to catch a knife? Brilliant... That doesn't sound at all like what he's advocating. I think he's advocating for letting the knife fall and watching to see how it lands first. Exactly. I don't think the fallout from the gox collapse has fully played out yet in terms of price drop. And why should big time investors come in when the largest btc exchange in the world went down? Too many other hacks and security concerns I think are scaring people away. I think things are very fragile right now, and the potential for bad news (dropping price) greatly outweighs any chance for price increase in the near future. If btc shows some signs of life, then I'll get back in. |
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How do you get these codes for so cheap? Is it by means of CREDIT CARD FRAUD like all the other sellers? Why dont you sell these on eBay for 3-4x as much profit??I don't sell for you . That doesn't answer my question...let me guess your another account of sofia26? Same poor english skills... And your using stolen credit card info? Thats why you dont sell on eBay for 4x the money |
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How do you get these codes for so cheap? Is it by means of CREDIT CARD FRAUD like all the other sellers? Why dont you sell these on eBay for 3-4x as much profit?? |
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How does holding an asset during a decline in its real purchasing power terms by 70% represent having a 'strong' hand?
All it represents is losing money.
A 'clever' hand would have sold up at the beginning of the year, and would now be buying up BTC.
A 'clever' hand would have three times more BTC than a 'strong' hand.
Three times!
Do you mean 'strong' as in 'dense'?
Clearly people seem to think they are superior to others on here if they hold, instead of getting out and waiting for the real rock bottom to hit, which is what the real smart money would be doing. Also waiting for any signs of life, and waiting for fraudulent trading activities to be uncovered. There is too much still going on to not think btc can crash further down to $100 or less. Then smart money will come in when the dust has settled. |
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Most people here have deluded themselves into thinking btc is going to skyrocket sue to "imminent mass adoption!" Clearly this is not the case, and lots of former bulls are now facing the facts and turning bearish. One of the ways people tell themselves they are right is saying anyone who sells is a "weak hand." Funny because you should be calling them "smart hands."
I'll admit I had high hopes for btc, but the last bubble has no reason to repeat itself: There's no new money coming in from anywhere in the world, adoption by merchants just essentially creates lots of sell pressure, and the media is doing its job scaring people away from btc by associating it with illegal activity.
Also, what happens if another exchange (maybe btc-e??) goes down. BTC couldnt handle that.
Good luck to holders though.
You're a MASSIVE fail. How the fuck did you even figure out how to get on the internet?? Weak hands they are! No other words to call them. Smart hands are buying and holding. Most people in the world think about long term. "Where am I going to be in" 5 years, 10 years, 20 years. The smart hands are those people who think big and long. You're a weak hand looking for a quick buck. And like so many before you and many to come the bitcoin game slaughtered you. So sad... Maybe you should give Forex a go at it. #ToTheMoon Well, not even close, but good try! Smart hands made money on the up swings, like I did, and got out at the signs of trouble, like I did. Never did I say btc was going away, but short term there is no indications at all of price increase. And yeah I guess I wasn't thinking long term when I got a college degree, invested in real estate...jeez I should just beg you for advice...oh wait your just another idiot whos upset they are losing more money, and you try to make yourself feel better by saying your a strong hand. |
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jcoin check your pm.
My stuff is legit.
Are they physical cards though? I might be interested. They are not physical cards. I requested information on how they are obtained legitimately, but am awaiting a reply. |
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So they are real physical cards? How do you get them legitimately for such a steep discount?? I'm interested if they are legit |
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are these real physical gift cards? how did you get them? I'm interested if they are legit.
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Are you selling everything you have to bet on bitcion?
560k prediction is just as absurd as 10 dollar prediction.
actually $10 seems completely reasonable right now. might not stay for long, but its within the realm of possibility |
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