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161  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: April 16, 2014, 11:17:48 AM
At the moment, China is just waking up and volume is smoothly climbing on Huobi's 30 minute chart as displayed at Bitcoin Wisdom.

On the daily Bitstamp chart, $550 appears to be the trend line of resistance.




Looks like we hit that ceiling.
Next attempt will probably go through
162  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: April 15, 2014, 09:04:26 AM
My congratulations to Risto for his predictions.

Ten days ago or two weeks ago he predicted that we would probably be back above 500 by the 15 April.
163  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: April 14, 2014, 03:04:11 PM
I just want to say thank you for these updates - I find them insightful and entertaining.
Certainly entertaining. Grin

Yes, these updates are very good. To the point and free from emotional noise.

When are we reaching +8 USD per day climbing slope ?
164  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: April 14, 2014, 11:33:10 AM

Wrong. Not a victim. Both parties point the finger to the other but neither are right, nor wrong. Truth is in the middle.
I meant war drums in relation to the situation with Ukraine and Russia - not that they are the big bad ones...
Between the USA/EU bad one and the Russia bad one, I clearly support the latter.
Eventually, Ukraine has to come under russian control if the EU wants to keep warm in winter, and it's industry running.
It is funny to see the USA/EU in the illusion that they are in a position to inflict the most bitting sanctions. Next Russia will triple the price of its gas and request payment in physical gold and we'll see who has the power over who.



Nobody asks what Ukraine wants, huh? Or, specifically, what does not want.

Nobody cares what the ukrainians want, and the US/EU the last of them.
This world is a world of power wether we like it or not. It does not matter what you want but only how much power you have or others believe you have to make it happen. People in power don't care what people without power want. They see only their agenda. Some people in power in some parts of the world have to pretend and give the impression that people out of power have something to say, it is just more sneaky but only the same. The US had some plans for Iraq, Syria and so many other countries, and the people there could just shut up and eat depleted uranium while domestic opinions are fabricated. Ukraine is bankrupt, with few resources, the predominantly russian parts of the country are more dynamic economically and most importantly, it is the pipeline of energy to western Europe and it is surviving only on the fees it takes from this position. It has lost the power to maintain this position on its own and it is way too late for the country to join the EU.

Ukraine is the point where west and east meet each other, but the west tend to forget from which side the energy is flowing. I stand by my observation that yesterday's evolution is showing that there is no stopping of the escalation over Ukraine and it will have a key influence over financial markets in the next months and years.
165  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: April 14, 2014, 10:02:03 AM
How do you see bitcoin's price behaving when the russian war drums will start getting louder ?

And another victim of western Propaganda...i can't hear any war drum from russia, you?

I hear and see only war drums from US side, followed by vassal in europe.


Wrong. Not a victim. Both parties point the finger to the other but neither are right, nor wrong. Truth is in the middle.
I meant war drums in relation to the situation with Ukraine and Russia - not that they are the big bad ones...
Between the USA/EU bad one and the Russia bad one, I clearly support the latter.
Eventually, Ukraine has to come under russian control if the EU wants to keep warm in winter, and it's industry running.
It is funny to see the USA/EU in the illusion that they are in a position to inflict the most bitting sanctions. Next Russia will triple the price of its gas and request payment in physical gold and we'll see who has the power over who.

166  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: April 14, 2014, 06:54:37 AM
How do you see bitcoin's price behaving when the russian war drums will start getting louder ?

As I recall btc went up nearly $100 The day The Russians took Crimea so that is a good indication. Acting like gold in war times seems probable.

Ok this explains the strong rally. Well, the situation in Ukraine can only get worse I guess. Bottom was rightly called.
167  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: April 14, 2014, 05:43:49 AM
How do you see bitcoin's price behaving when the russian war drums will start getting louder ?
168  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: April 12, 2014, 11:11:39 AM
Some TA

Tuur Demeester is an economist and investor focused on personal and financial freedom and bitcoin, and editor in chief at Adamant Research.

http://www.coindesk.com/whither-price-bitcoin/
169  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: April 11, 2014, 02:20:37 AM
Price index is at 256 EUR but on localbitcoin you cannot find meaningful offer (I mean any decent quantity) for less than 296 EUR.
That's a cool 15%. I would have bought more coins but not at 15+% over exchange price...


170  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: April 10, 2014, 06:09:02 PM
Rpietila what are your thoughts about going long on margin for someone who don't have fiat anymore, would it be a reckless or savvy move?

Only risk what you can afford to lose. People who do such things are usually punished.
Well I will only risk some BTC, and by definition I should only have in BTC what I can afford to lose, so all is OK Grin

Sorry, it is more clear. In my opinion BTC is enough of a ride without margin. You could wipe out ALL your bitcoins very fast and be left standing when the real rise starts. Don't forget that we are looking at a 4 months decline right now and that on a pure TA, things don't look good. Fundamentals are very good, but in your position I would wait for clear reversal signals before going on margin. Catching a falling knife is risky, catching a falling knife while jumping is, well yes, reckless.
171  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: April 10, 2014, 06:01:21 PM
Edit: I am more convinced than before that your trendline errs on the side of predicting a BTC/USD rate on the low side and can lead to a premature sell indicator.

The sell signal is when price = 3*trend Smiley

I understand this but if the trend is below where it should be then the sell signal will be premature.

the trend is never below where it should be, it is just a trend. The price can be below the trend.
Sell signal level has nothing to do with current price. It is predefined. It is only a function of time and trend (sell signal happens when current price = trend price * 3)
172  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: April 10, 2014, 05:59:25 PM
Rpietila what are your thoughts about going long on margin for someone who don't have fiat anymore, would it be a reckless or savvy move?

Only risk what you can afford to lose. People who do such things are usually punished.
173  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: April 10, 2014, 04:49:31 PM
For reference.

We saw 378, 382, 400 and (so far) 383, over 5 months. Such support.

Ye but now its different, the rebounds were quick and sudden, the timing window to buy low used to be very short, now its like whatever, noone feels like buying

This is not true. I feel like buying, will keep buying now and if/as we go lower.
174  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: April 10, 2014, 12:34:14 PM
An question for rpietilä, but others can provide insight.

If 400 is really the bottom even with these new China news, how fast do you think the recovery will start to begin?

He already provided his insight about this and said that if 400 is not breached, we should be above 500 by the 15 April or so and on our gradual move up, with a new all time high during the summer. Most of the gains towards the all time high happening in a very short timeframe.


175  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: April 10, 2014, 07:13:18 AM
The low volume is encouraging, panic should have arrived by now. Maybe there are no more nuts to be shaken off the tree?

What's clear is that any whale has already had several opportunities over several weeks to sell at minimum slippage but hasn't.

400 does not look like it will hold. We broke 300 EUR by the same occasion.
Cheap coins !

EDIT : so far so good, impressively held strong momentum

As anticipated yesterday, we had our "news" : http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-price-crashes-chinese-exchanges-stop-bank-deposits/

Are we done with it now ?
176  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: April 09, 2014, 09:07:24 AM
When the officials speak, there is an official opportunity to gamble.
For the quick it's an opportunity to sell high, and for the smart it's an opportunity to buy low.
I wonder if we will be under way before the 15th?
caught between the hammer and the anvil, I don't see how it can rest easy beforehand.

This is where I see we are at. a second capitulation.





What is the duration of these candles
177  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: April 09, 2014, 09:05:49 AM
A new rumor would have little or no effect and could just keep us in same range. But some threatening words from chinese officials before or on 15 April could still create more down action.

Don't you think that it is a little bit silly that people sell when they are threatened? Since when have you prospered by doing what they tell you to do? I mean, in any walk of life, like nutrition, or education, or general health?

The title of this episode was: "China is used to scare people to sell at a loss to strong hands, while the US finalizes bitcoin-friendly legislation, paving the way for a mega-move at the instant when the lid is lifted."

Exactly. That's why it would be an even better buying opportunity, I would buy more in such scenario. Not sell.
178  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: April 09, 2014, 07:22:30 AM
rpietila looks like we're somewhere in the realm you described little while back.

~$400 and ppl still looking to double their coins and expecting ~$200



If there is no major official announcement in China within one week. I mean a real news, not a rumor. Then I think Risto was right and we'll break back above 500 around next Wednesday.

A new rumor would have little or no effect and could just keep us in same range. But some threatening words from chinese officials before or on 15 April could still create more down action.
179  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: April 09, 2014, 07:01:08 AM
I don't find Litecoin higher trading volume a very convincing argument in it's favour. Such a large proportion of the overall supply being traded is indicating just how speculative the value proposition is, especially for a network that has real utility and acceptance that is so many times lower than bitcoin. Don't get me started on the spurious design differences. A competitive altcoin design is possible, but I don't believe litecoin is it.

Right, I don't think we've seen anything interesting so far on the altcoin scene. As someone put it, it's all a big experiment.
Today, they offer about no interest in comparison with Bitcoin. I am not concerned/interested about the past altcoin scene but rather more with the future.

I agree with the article shared by Risto. Current altcoins have nothing much for them at all. The main reason I see is that the entities who launched them are more or less nothing.

I am much more concerned about altcoins that would be launched in the future by big entities that have power and followers : governments, big corporations, big non-profit organisations. The reason is that I think that they will be able to offer services and functions to the people under their influence  that will not be offered by bitcoin.

I know it might be hard for an independant powerful entity to launch a new crypto because it would be perceived as able to control it somehow for its own interests. But if the entity really plays the crypto game and implement it properly, I don't see why they should not be successful.

Let's take for exemple a giant like Google. I am sure they already have a team working on this, thinking about : how to launch GCoin, what could it bring to the google ecosystem, what advantages a GCoin holder will have to transact in Gcoin as opposed to Bitcoin, they could give the option to pay adsense with GCoin, offer to be paid for Adwords in GCoin, integrate GCoin in Android, in Google Search, Gmail, etc. I mean they have huge power, and if they understand crypto and know how to play the game fairly, they could invest their huge power and network in developing the GCoin.

The question is : why would google choose bitcoin and choose developing its crypto-based services using bitcoin versus doing it for a new GCoin ?
The same question applies to Facebook, Apple, Microsoft, and other internet giants.
I am sure many here have answers...?
If they make a true crypto without any control over it, maybe they don't have any interest to use something else than bitcoin ?

Bitcoiners will say that people will not trust a giant like google. But in practice, most people are sheeps, and it's about transacting, not so much investing. So if there are good services associated with a crypto, and people are using the google or whoever ecosystem, they will tend to do it.

It does not mean Bitcoin will not maintain its function as a crypto reference, store of value, exchange reference. But it reduces bitcoin's potential numbers and probabilities.

I am not trying to push my argument but rather am asking for counter arguments to disprove my point.

180  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: April 08, 2014, 08:14:43 AM
I agree with the fact that we are probably not going to continue following the exponential trendline that Risto is using as a basis for his TA. The question is : how long will we have to remain under the trendline for the recognition that, although is was a good model for the first phase of bitcoin rise, it is not for the next phase that is starting.

Anyway one has to recognise that the past exponential trend line MUST be broken sooner or later. The questions is only if it is broken this year (which I believe), the year after that, or the next. What would be the price of BTC in April 2017 if we would stay on the trend line ?  Wink

The exponential trendline remains valid until Bitcoin has reached 50% of its eventual adoption. In my understanding, the eventual adoption is more than 2x current adoption (potential of 500x-5000x), and therefore the trendline is current for at least this year, and maybe up to 2015, 2016, 2017.

I have never even published the amazingness of the trendline in how it showed the buy point after the 2011 crash. SlipperySlope's model with price data only from the exchange period could not capture it. Then the similar buy signal came after 2013 and also is flashing now. If we go up without ever seeing 400, will you finally believe me?

For Bitcoin to act as a universal savings medium, it will have to replace many current paper instruments like government debt, whose market cap is in 10s of trillions. By simple math, one bitcoin will cost $1M+. If the offchain services make money supply effectively flexible, then there is a possibility that it will have the same value as gold (300,000/BTC). And of course it can fail, and have a value of a few 1,000s or 10,000s.

I might believe that we continue to follow the trend line for a while longer if there is a rally this year beyond 2-3000 USD, but even then, not for years. I have sufficient faith to be holding right now, so I do believe that the current price point is good. I actually increased my amount of bitcoins by 35% by buying last week around 435 USD.
I think bitcoin could hold on the exponential trend line for some 5 years if it was alone using its own technology. Since it is open-source and due to my concerns expressed in my previous post, I think a huge number of big, powerful entities will launch their own crypto and greatly spread and dilute the crypto market cap. I just don't see why bitcoin would be holding the vast majority of the crypto technology market cap going forward. I have not been explained with enough arguments why that would happen.
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