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1041  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: May 12, 2014, 04:04:05 PM
I haven`t read every post of "ymer", but I like to read bearish opinions as well. You, ymer, could just add a little bit of deeper information to your thoughts. When you said 0,006 did not make sense, you did not know about the delay. So now 0,0047 makes no sense either. Fine, but why?
I`m curious to hear solid fundamental arguments.
(If other people are 100% sure he is just trolling, forgive me feeding him)

Just look at the charts...

This coin is being overly hyped lately and constantly being pumped about 2x in a few hours and then dumped to 1.5x (example pumping from 0.17 to 0.33 then dumped to 0.27) this is creating a lot of interest in the coin and making people think that even if they buy at X price after a dump the price will at least eventually go back to the latest high.

Now it was pumped from 0.3 to 0.6 and IMO it will settle at around 0.40-0.47 for a few hours/days. What happens next is anyones guess but I will stay away from DRK until the rollercoaster is over.

Certainly hope you are right. I want to pick up a few more. Charts are pretty meaningless though.
1042  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: May 06, 2014, 06:07:58 PM
apparently its possible to mining  the darkcoin  with asics, that you are aware of this?

Oh I'm aware. This is what I've been mining with.
Notice 150MH/S!!!



marketing says 150 MH/s....machine say 105 MH/s.

Must be a Butterfly Labs model.

Love it.
1043  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: April 30, 2014, 04:44:18 AM
I came up with a way better solution to this issue than my previous idea. Plus it's already supported by DarkSend, I'll just enforce it in RC3

John darksends 2.5 coins from A to C, gets 7.5 back as change on address X, Y, V, Z  (X = 5DRK, Y = 1DRK, V = 1DRK, Z=0.5DRK )
Joe darksends 3 coins from E to G, gets 7 back as change on address W, K, J  (W = 5DRK, K = 1DRK, J = 1DRK)
Suzie darksends 3.5 coins from K to Q, gets 6.5 back as change on address F, G, H  (F = 5DRK, G = 1DRK, H = 0.5DRK)

Change is denominated into units of 5, 1, 0.5, 0.25, 0.1, 0.05, and 0.01 DRK. I'll introduce the precision limitation back again of 0.01DRK. So if you get 7.5 DRK of change back, you'll end up with 5DRK+1DRK+1DRK+0.5DRK.

You could still possible do taint analysis on denominations only used once, but this would be solved with multiple rounds in DarkSend.

I'm taking partial credit for it!  Grin Cheesy

This is similar to what I was trying to achieve with stealth sending, minus the denomination of receiving addresses. Usually users want to send to a pre-existing address, optimally DarkSend would be able to denominate the receiving party's amount as well. Stealth addresses allow you to generate infinitely many addresses from one receiving address. Sadly, the only way to see if you have coins in a stealth address is to have the private keys in memory which destroys cold storage completely. You would not be able to see whether or not someone had sent you coins. Without stealth sending though, the master node would have to issue new addresses which cannot happen for obvious reasons. If someone can think of a way to fully denominate the receiving party's amount it would push the coin into complete darkness. When combined with Evan's I2P implementation Dark would be as anonymous/private as possible.



This really is brilliant and completely removes the problems we've been brainstorming about (or I'm just tired again (always have an excuse Wink)). Too bad there's not a practical way of implementing it, right? Right?  Huh
1044  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: April 30, 2014, 04:41:34 AM
I spent a fair amount of time thinking about the discussion with dime, humanitee, luigi1111, camosoul and others yesterday about the anonymity of Darksend.  I suspected that the logic behind darksend as currently implemented was not sound, and I thought it would be best to determine how exactly darksend was working, and do an in-depth analysis of a mixing cycle and the transactions that follow mixing.

...

Best,
Sim

Wow! This is great. About 400+ pages ago I talked about having a different kind of pool for change outputs only. Put in all of your change outputs and you'll get new fresh clean inputs of 10DRK. The client could automatically do this after each darksend, which would also get you new inputs for the next round.

I'm currently embedded in patching stratum and p2pool to support the masternode payments, which is why I haven't been around. It takes a lot of work to make something so different from anything else out there, dare I say, revolutionary?


On second thought, I'm not sure this solves the problem.  My understanding is that you want to accumulate the dirty change in the wallet until it breaches a certain amount (say 10 for example), then it is washed in a "change only" wash with a bunch of "10" transactions.  The problem I see is that even the clean coins could be linked to the original transaction.  Just to explain:

John darksends 2 coins from A to C, gets 8 back as change on address X
a few days later..
John darksends 8 coins from B to D, gets 2 back as change on address Y

Y+X are submitted to the change mixing pool (10 coins), and come out "clean" at address Z.

The problem is that the coins at address Z are not clean really, they are "suspect", they could have possibly participated in any darksends that generated the dirty coins that composed the "change washing" pool.

Now when Johns wants to spend coins from A, B, and Z in the same transaction.

So if John wants to send coins from A+B+Z in one transaction, the fact that Z participated in a pool that contained X and Y is enough to expose A and B as the original participants in the darksend transaction.

Really it leaves us at the same position that we were at previously after the original darksends.

I hope that made sense.

I came up with a way better solution to this issue than my previous idea. Plus it's already supported by DarkSend, I'll just enforce it in RC3

John darksends 2.5 coins from A to C, gets 7.5 back as change on address X, Y, V, Z  (X = 5DRK, Y = 1DRK, V = 1DRK, Z=0.5DRK )
Joe darksends 3 coins from E to G, gets 7 back as change on address W, K, J  (W = 5DRK, K = 1DRK, J = 1DRK)
Suzie darksends 3.5 coins from K to Q, gets 6.5 back as change on address F, G, H  (F = 5DRK, G = 1DRK, H = 0.5DRK)

Change is denominated into units of 5, 1, 0.5, 0.25, 0.1, 0.05, and 0.01 DRK. I'll introduce the precision limitation back again of 0.01DRK. So if you get 7.5 DRK of change back, you'll end up with 5DRK+1DRK+1DRK+0.5DRK.

You could still possible do taint analysis on denominations only used once, but this would be solved with multiple rounds in DarkSend.

Ok, well I think this is a great solution, definitely the best idea proposed so far.  I have spent several hours thinking about ways to break it but I can't seem to come up with an Achilles heel.

A couple suggestions off the top of my head.  I think it would help if there was some randomness added to the way things are denominated. Ie sometimes 1.5 is denomated 1+0.5 - sometimes it is denominated 1+0.25+0.1+0.1+.05 sometimes it is denominated 0.5+0.5+0.5.  This would make it substantially harder to figure out what is going on in the blockchain

My other concern is that whoever gets the biggest amount of change is put in a precarious position.  In the above example this would be John. If John sends X+Y+V+Z+A he is outing A as the sender to C.  Even if John Darksends these coins he is still outing address A. Then once he outs himself, Joe (as the second largest change recipient (7DRK) is at risk of outing himself if he sends (or darksends) W+K+J+E. I suppose this whole scenario is a non-issue if we consider that more than one transaction can be sent into the pool from the same wallet, so it would be impossible to tell for certain who got the most change, as someone could have submitted multiple transactions and received 20,30,40 change coins to the same wallet.  

Seriously though, this is a fantastic solution, I'm relatively certain the logic is sound, and the level of anonymity will be very high. I'll sleep well tonight for sure Cheesy

I was in the middle of going through this very logic myself, when I refreshed and saw your post. Smiley

I agree with the basic analysis: this proposed method seems to me to be flawless unless and until the largest change holder sends from all his change addresses associated with a particular DarkSend simultaneously with balance from his "main" address.

I'm still going to have to think about it more, because what if we DON'T consider the last sentence in your 3rd paragraph? Aren't we still *potentially* impacting anonymity?

I'm falling asleep right now, but I can't think of how you could actually secure this if the largest change holder did what you describe above. Even additional mixing wouldn't help as you could just track inputs and outputs all the way back once John did the bad deed.

I guess my point is: there's probably a large chance of additional "noise" being created that would make our potential analysis of John's coins impossible, but what if in a particular case this noise doesn't exist?

Or I'm just tired. Smiley
1045  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: April 28, 2014, 08:14:56 PM

Lets break this down to improve clarity:

A wants to send 2 coins to E
B wants to send 3 coins to F

A sends the masternode 10 coins, and address C (C is the change address)
B sends the masternode 10 coins, and address D (D is the change address)

The masternode will mix the coins and output:

2 coins to E
8 coins to C
3 coins to F
7 coins to D

It will be impossible to tell whether A sent coins to E&C or F&D.  It is possible however to say that whoever holds address C sent 2 coins to E.  Now if user A wants to buy something on amazon with DRK, and uses the coins at address C, amazon (or anyone who has compromised amazon's servers) can determine with 100% certainty that user A sent 2 coins to E in the earlier darksend transaction.  If the coins are darksent to amazon then there wouldn't be a problem I guess. Really the coins at address C should be automatically washed after the transaction to maintain anonymity in case the user non-darksends them later on.

Still not seeing any provable link between amount of change received by C and initial transaction between A and E. At least not without full access to the wallet that holds A and C, at which point all else is moot. Must be going blonde...

2+8=10 This proves that whoever holds coins at C darksent 2 coins to E.

No, 2+8=10 proves 2+8=10. Doesn't prove anything else at all.

Please describe the flaw in my logic Sad

C and E are linked on the block explorer because 8+2=10, one is the change address one is the receiving address. If C lightsends DRK to any vendor compromised by law enforcement, they will know that either:

C was sent 8 coins from whoever holds change address E
or
C sent E 2 coins



His logic is sound. This is something that should get an explanation I believe. There are ways to completely hide it though, as has been discussed. Off-hand, I can think of either: 1. mixing the change a second time; 2. further subdividing the change.

Consider:
Instead of (existing change):
8 to C
7 to D
You have:
6 to C
6 to D
1 to G (belonging to C)
1 to H (also C)
1 to I (belonging to D)

If my logic is sound, you now can only guess which is which. Right?

Yep that would work.  The problem with multiple change addresses though is later if the person sends all of the coins on their change addresses to a new address you could analyze the blockchain and see that all of the change addresses merged into 1 address then work backward and link all of those darksend transactions together in the original darksend.

True, so it sort of takes you back to option 1. remixing the change. Those addresses with only 1 coin in them would be super easy to remix if that was the base unit for normal transaction change. In my mind, remixing this left over change would only reinforce new transactions' anonymity. Is this correct? One would also think there would be a way to mix over several blocks (and masternodes, the current masternode would have to forward its change to the new blocks masternode?) I would think the additional transactions in the new round of mixing would introduce way too many unknowns to have any hope of figuring out.

OTOH, I'm not fully versed on how it all works, so I could be completely wrong.
1046  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: April 28, 2014, 07:13:05 PM

Lets break this down to improve clarity:

A wants to send 2 coins to E
B wants to send 3 coins to F

A sends the masternode 10 coins, and address C (C is the change address)
B sends the masternode 10 coins, and address D (D is the change address)

The masternode will mix the coins and output:

2 coins to E
8 coins to C
3 coins to F
7 coins to D

It will be impossible to tell whether A sent coins to E&C or F&D.  It is possible however to say that whoever holds address C sent 2 coins to E.  Now if user A wants to buy something on amazon with DRK, and uses the coins at address C, amazon (or anyone who has compromised amazon's servers) can determine with 100% certainty that user A sent 2 coins to E in the earlier darksend transaction.  If the coins are darksent to amazon then there wouldn't be a problem I guess. Really the coins at address C should be automatically washed after the transaction to maintain anonymity in case the user non-darksends them later on.

Still not seeing any provable link between amount of change received by C and initial transaction between A and E. At least not without full access to the wallet that holds A and C, at which point all else is moot. Must be going blonde...

2+8=10 This proves that whoever holds coins at C darksent 2 coins to E.

No, 2+8=10 proves 2+8=10. Doesn't prove anything else at all.

Please describe the flaw in my logic Sad

C and E are linked on the block explorer because 8+2=10, one is the change address one is the receiving address. If C lightsends DRK to any vendor compromised by law enforcement, they will know that either:

C was sent 8 coins from whoever holds change address E
or
C sent E 2 coins



His logic is sound. This is something that should get an explanation I believe. There are ways to completely hide it though, as has been discussed. Off-hand, I can think of either: 1. mixing the change a second time; 2. further subdividing the change.

Consider:
Instead of (existing change):
8 to C
7 to D
You have:
6 to C
6 to D
1 to G (belonging to C)
1 to H (also C)
1 to I (belonging to D)

If my logic is sound, you now can only guess which is which. Right?
1047  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: April 26, 2014, 10:10:41 PM
I'm sorry but am I the only one here who, when looking at the Max chart for Darkcoin is not completely freaked out?!?!

A major, major correction is bound to happen at any moment. The coin literally shot straight up, and if you look at any other coin, or stock for that matter, what goes up must and always does come down.

I know I'll be called a hater, and a lot of people will be very vocal about how wrong I am and this coin will continue to rise and rise and rise forever, but really. This sucker is a ticking time bomb.

I got a feelin' things are gonna get pretty bloody pretty damn soon.


Strato


Ps.  New Twitter Account Everyone!  @Stratobitz   Follow for buy sell tips, rumors I've heard, you know, all that.


I believe I posted this this afternoon at 2:15ish EST. When Darkcoin was trading at 470000ish... Now it's at 370000.

I think I got flamed for suggesting such a thing as hyper pumping a stock leads to big pull backs and crashes.

Anyways, to those who flamed... Just wanted to let you know no hard feelings.  I don't want to add to your already likely existing pain from dismissing my advice and holding your "innovative" coins and losing over 22% in less than a few hours.

Keep your chin up everyone!

Strato

PS.  This coin is still overpriced. My analysis on charts point to a 260000-320000ish pullback point within 48 hours.   Just my two cents.


Good work using bold and blue colors to pull attention to yourself. With that said, I have <1% confidence in anyone's chart reading abilities. Chart analysis is pretty meaningless. Why would a chart (the simple plotting of past trades) have any bearing on future trades? The only reason it would is if a bunch of people traded on your "analysis" and made it self-fulfilling.
1048  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BTC Stolen from Poloniex on: March 13, 2014, 04:32:10 AM
sorry . but your business was hack , so it should be Ur business that take the lost . Image if paypal lost money from a bad employee. We wouldn't stand for our account to be lock or our balance to be touch. Surly Poloniex has made 10% in profit.

Poloniex should declare bankrupt of they cant afford the lost , It time for competent people to start running these type of business.


Your happy when your making huge profits with fees , Making us trust you with our money , then cry when you cant manage your affair.

This is getting really old. Do you even read what you write?

Instead of him paying us all back, you think he should declare bankruptcy and pay us nothing?

He obviously hasn't been making huge profits, or he'd have paid back the money already. He hasn't "made" anyone trust him with their money; they all chose to do so of their own accord by using his exchange. Also, he hasn't "cried" about it in the slightest; you're the one apparently "crying".

lol  not crying , i dont even have account with them . They should go bankrupt - I will make the next exchange better and stronger

Well I, being essentially a bondholder of Poloni, would much prefer they not go bankrupt and completely remove any chance I have of getting my BTC back, especially considering I believe my chances of full repayment are quite good, seeing how the first one has gone out already.

On a related note, all this talk about how Polo's screwup shouldn't affect its customers is idealistic nonsense: it's not an insured bank, and let me tell you, if you had "real" money in an uninsured bank that got robbed (though no fault of yours), you, the depositor, would most certainly be affected.
1049  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BTC Stolen from Poloniex on: March 06, 2014, 02:12:43 PM
Nice trick to steal hard earned Bitcoin, First open an exchange then make a plan and take off Bitcoin bcoz no body can complain for this Virtual currency. That is why so many Exchange all of sudden started popping every second day.

I am 100% sure these stupid exchange owner are main cause for this all.

This is direct mistake of Exchange owner , why Users will suffer for his mistake ?

Precisely my thought all along.

All too easy and no proof of any hacks.

It was theft, did the owner of Poloniex call the police?

Too many exchanges means not all can make a living and be profitable. It's like having 100 superstores in a village of 1000 people.

Temptation to steal knowing one's identify is unknown is great.

Only time will tell when we all get back the 12%+.....then this isn't a scam.

The ideas of shares, which i made clear is absurd, IPO, etc......could be the 2nd part of the scam.

Scam are done two ways - short game, small 'profit' and quick before moving onto the next target.....or.......- long game, big 'profit', attacking same targets.

The idea, without proof that Poloniex (tristan, Busico whatever) were not part of the hack/theft, everyone suddenly praising their honestly and transparency is laughable.

He gave all the info in the email. Not sure what more proof you'd like to have...

Also, it would seem that his identity isn't, in fact, unknown.

That email means jackshit. Anyone can type that out. There are some very gullible people on this forum who believes everything they are told.

My position is clear......only time will tell.

Identify? where?

Yes, your position is quite clear, though I so far find it quite lacking in the logic department.

As for his identity, I don't even know where you're going with this?
1050  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BTC Stolen from Poloniex on: March 06, 2014, 05:02:01 AM
Nice trick to steal hard earned Bitcoin, First open an exchange then make a plan and take off Bitcoin bcoz no body can complain for this Virtual currency. That is why so many Exchange all of sudden started popping every second day.

I am 100% sure these stupid exchange owner are main cause for this all.

This is direct mistake of Exchange owner , why Users will suffer for his mistake ?

Precisely my thought all along.

All too easy and no proof of any hacks.

It was theft, did the owner of Poloniex call the police?

Too many exchanges means not all can make a living and be profitable. It's like having 100 superstores in a village of 1000 people.

Temptation to steal knowing one's identify is unknown is great.

Only time will tell when we all get back the 12%+.....then this isn't a scam.

The ideas of shares, which i made clear is absurd, IPO, etc......could be the 2nd part of the scam.

Scam are done two ways - short game, small 'profit' and quick before moving onto the next target.....or.......- long game, big 'profit', attacking same targets.

The idea, without proof that Poloniex (tristan, Busico whatever) were not part of the hack/theft, everyone suddenly praising their honestly and transparency is laughable.

He gave all the info in the email. Not sure what more proof you'd like to have...

Also, it would seem that his identity isn't, in fact, unknown.
1051  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BTC Stolen from Poloniex on: March 06, 2014, 04:58:26 AM
sorry . but your business was hack , so it should be Ur business that take the lost . Image if paypal lost money from a bad employee. We wouldn't stand for our account to be lock or our balance to be touch. Surly Poloniex has made 10% in profit.

Poloniex should declare bankrupt of they cant afford the lost , It time for competent people to start running these type of business.


Your happy when your making huge profits with fees , Making us trust you with our money , then cry when you cant manage your affair.

This is getting really old. Do you even read what you write?

Instead of him paying us all back, you think he should declare bankruptcy and pay us nothing?

He obviously hasn't been making huge profits, or he'd have paid back the money already. He hasn't "made" anyone trust him with their money; they all chose to do so of their own accord by using his exchange. Also, he hasn't "cried" about it in the slightest; you're the one apparently "crying".
1052  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BTC Stolen from Poloniex on: March 06, 2014, 12:16:59 AM
At the risk of being flamed into molecular ashes...

I think you are doing the right thing.  Good on you.  Couple of questions...

Are you planning to keep the exchange open just long enough to pay everyone back?  Or do you plan to continue the business indefinitely?  If the latter, do you plan for the exchange to stay within its existing niche?  Or for it to grow/evolve into something larger? 

I do think you need to retain some seriously competent human resources to upgrade your overall security, outward-facing interface(s), internal accounting & processing, etc, etc. 

I do not currently have an account with your...virtual currency entity.  VCE?  But I'm willing to open an account (and move my BtC and U$D into it) if two conditions are met.  (1) Tighten-up your security and verification.  A lot.  (2) Save all the transaction data, for clients who are paying the higher fees & commissions.  After the stolen currency/funds are paid off, offer us the occasional frequent "free trade" or "half rate commission" until the higher fees & commissions are balanced out. 

It should go without saying, that any sort of professional & impersonal facade...of the nature MTGOX likes (liked?) to present to clients & customers...would need to go away forever.  If you want the community to help you through this hiccup, then it's only fair to offer some sort of reward to the folks who stick by you. 

I don't know much about the personality/character of your operation.  Never had an account there.  It may be that you already have "operators standing by" who know many of your customers by name. 



I think you are doing the right thing.  Good on you.

blah

blah

blah

blah

I do not currently have an account with your...virtual currency entity.  VCE?  But I'm willing to open an account


WHAT!!!


You do not even have an account, so you can not make any judgements, especially compliments.




Funny thing is, he actually can. It's called freedom of speech, and I for one believe that to be a basic human right.

Nothing to do with freedom of speech............but bias. Only those who were affected by the theft can comment, others not affected can advice but not make compliments.

Freedom of speech isn't an excuse to make oneself look stupid.

You're doing a rather bang-up job all by yourself.
1053  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BTC Stolen from Poloniex on: March 05, 2014, 11:25:21 PM
At the risk of being flamed into molecular ashes...

I think you are doing the right thing.  Good on you.  Couple of questions...

Are you planning to keep the exchange open just long enough to pay everyone back?  Or do you plan to continue the business indefinitely?  If the latter, do you plan for the exchange to stay within its existing niche?  Or for it to grow/evolve into something larger? 

I do think you need to retain some seriously competent human resources to upgrade your overall security, outward-facing interface(s), internal accounting & processing, etc, etc. 

I do not currently have an account with your...virtual currency entity.  VCE?  But I'm willing to open an account (and move my BtC and U$D into it) if two conditions are met.  (1) Tighten-up your security and verification.  A lot.  (2) Save all the transaction data, for clients who are paying the higher fees & commissions.  After the stolen currency/funds are paid off, offer us the occasional frequent "free trade" or "half rate commission" until the higher fees & commissions are balanced out. 

It should go without saying, that any sort of professional & impersonal facade...of the nature MTGOX likes (liked?) to present to clients & customers...would need to go away forever.  If you want the community to help you through this hiccup, then it's only fair to offer some sort of reward to the folks who stick by you. 

I don't know much about the personality/character of your operation.  Never had an account there.  It may be that you already have "operators standing by" who know many of your customers by name. 



I think you are doing the right thing.  Good on you.

blah

blah

blah

blah

I do not currently have an account with your...virtual currency entity.  VCE?  But I'm willing to open an account


WHAT!!!


You do not even have an account, so you can not make any judgements, especially compliments.




Funny thing is, he actually can. It's called freedom of speech, and I for one believe that to be a basic human right.
1054  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BTC Stolen from Poloniex on: March 05, 2014, 10:15:31 PM
My interest rate is .33% per day.
rot in hell

 Huh Huh Huh

Perhaps you do not understand basic natural human right, not man-made Mickey Mouse human rights, called 'voluntary contract'.
rot in hell

Fecking socialist. Grin Grin Grin

You should try to get whatever you can instead of crying like a idiot. You always know the risks with these new exchanges and you put your money in them.


So when someone robs your bank....do the bank deduct the losses from your bank account?

Do the bank say, "You should try to get whatever you can instead of crying like a idiot. You always know the risks with these banks and you put your money in them."

Please do think on a higher level of intellect like some humans are capable of.....but i know you are not.


Why do you come off as so ignorant?
1055  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][WOLF] InsanityCoin - coin for investors and traders on: March 02, 2014, 09:22:13 PM
Quote from front of announcement page by Dev

"Quite the opposite.

If all coins are bought (900BTC), the transferred once (say to an exchange), then there will be 818,181 coins left. Worth 900 BTC minimum, that's if every coin is sold back at (market cap / supply) price, and nobody buys any coins on market, and no coin is transferred more than once, and if no coins are put up for sale at all in a 9 week period. If any one of those things does happen, the price and market cap will go up.

Ultimately, every trader has a different strategy, some sell on market immediately for 25% more than they bought, some may be more aggressive and sell 10% for 400% more than they paid. Some may sell off market and destroy more coins by transferring ownership. Some may hold for 4 weeks, or 12 weeks, or a year.

The biggest gamble, is how many to put to market, on which week, to make the most profit.. or whether to hold and let it rise trying to make 1000% of percent.

Usually coins have a supply, and if supply outweighs demand, price goes down. InsanityCoin is different because the money supply always reduces, forcing the price of each coin upwards, while ever people buy and transfer it, the value of each coin can only go up.

Everything is good for this coin, including people not buying it, because any coins not bought over the 9 weeks are destroyed."

I don't plan on buying any of these "Everything is good for it" coin that can never drop in price. I just think it's important for people to know certain things and schemes that go on behind the scenes. Like I said good luck, hope no one loses in this "game".


Everything might be "good" for this coin, but that doesn't dictate what will happen after nine weeks at all. After the bumps are over (indeed, after supply runs out, which could be much sooner), anything can happen. There WILL be bagholders. What is unknown is when that will be (only exception would be WOLF for some strange reason(s) gains adoption and stays stead/rises after the game is over).
1056  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][WOLF] InsanityCoin - coin for investors and traders on: March 02, 2014, 09:18:23 PM
It tells you that everyone who just sold made 30 to 40% in one week.... With a guarantee that they can buy it all back and more for the next day at .001... This coin will obviously not move like a normal coin until week 10

n.b. until coin supply has ran out
A Ponzi scheme is a fraudulent investment operation that pays returns to its investors from existing capital or new capital paid by new investors, rather than from profit earned by the individual or organization running the operation. Operators of Ponzi schemes usually entice new investors by offering higher returns than other investments, in the form of short-term returns that are either abnormally high or unusually consistent. The perpetuation of the high returns requires an ever-increasing flow of money from new investors to sustain the scheme.

And that definition does not directly fit WOLF. WOLF is not paying "returns" to its "investors"; rather it's spending the "existing capital or new capital" to repurchase sold WOLF. It's NOT the same thing at all. It's kinda like a company having a share offering to raise capital, and then repurchasing said shares with received capital. While strange, it's not exactly fraudulent, and also when netted out shouldn't have any real effect. This WOLF plan ultimately might be an exercise in futility, though it does provide some insight into the way humans/markets think and operate.
1057  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][WOLF] InsanityCoin - coin for investors and traders on: March 02, 2014, 08:00:10 PM
Decision
I want to change this back over two weeks to how it was.

Week 3
I will be buying and selling, making whale moves in both directions, and the spread will change up and down over several hours. Those playing will make the most money for the week by buying and selling, and focussing what I, the whale, am doing. Expect no huge bumps, just a volatile market where active traders will make profit... obviously a fair chunk of buy orders will be filled in the process though.

Week 4 - Supply End
The time will change from a fixed 6 hours, to me trading with the pot at any time whilst the supply is closed. 12:00 Sunday to 10:00 Monday.

Supply End - Week 9
Bump, at a random time each weekend, 100 BTC will buy up the book in a single order as high as it will go.

I've changed parameters based on feedback several times, it's made the game more boring, getting back to roots now

Thanks for this. I can't wait to have some more excitement, versus the whole thing being done in less than 30 minutes. Again, anything could happen after supply ends!
1058  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][WOLF] InsanityCoin - coin for investors and traders on: February 19, 2014, 11:55:05 PM
hehehe, i'm still planing to buy more but the current method of purchase sucks due to the wait time, can't you use automated escrow service instead

I'm considering creating an automated system for it - specifying it as we speak.


might be good to have something like a drip feed, or limited coins per week..
otherwise it'd be easy to sell some coins, go back to the source buy some more with the earnings etc..



But this is the whole point! The outcome is unknown. If people on the exchange are willing to pay more than .001 each, then the sellers should absolutely have the chance to go buy more @ 0.001.
1059  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][WOLF] InsanityCoin - coin for investors and traders on: February 19, 2014, 11:48:51 PM
I personally like having the dev unavailable at certain times of the day. I think it should even be scheduled. It creates a more natural market, because arbitrage cannot be done other than with coins that we already hold. This caused some interesting things last night with crazy pumps and such. Who doesn't want to see that?

I am unavailable 00:00 to 10:00 each day, roughly.

Yes, I understand. I just think it'd be an interesting dynamic if coins were officially unavailable for a set period of time each day. Before the time starts, ideally we'd know exactly how many coins were out in the wild (or, the maximum amount, there should be less due to the fees). Then, someone could start crazy pumps, knowing that no one can go and just arb it out.

Insane? Probably.
Do I like it? Absolutely.
1060  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][WOLF] InsanityCoin - coin for investors and traders on: February 19, 2014, 11:40:23 PM
I personally like having the dev unavailable at certain times of the day. I think it should even be scheduled. It creates a more natural market, because arbitrage cannot be done other than with coins that we already hold. This caused some interesting things last night with crazy pumps and such. Who doesn't want to see that?
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