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341  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Thoughts about how to spread Bitcoin adoption on: July 30, 2015, 08:50:55 AM
I am slightly disappointed. Such a long post by OP and there is no valid points given in it. Promote bitcoin in Tampa and Kansas City? We want much more than a city to adopt bitcoin. My idea is simple, have more bitcoin ATMs everywhere in the world, and a user friendly app on phones. If people can buy bitcoin easily, more people will buy them for curiosity at first and then discover how easy it is to use bitcoin.

2 posts, and both of you couldn't catch the thing, it seems.
I don't want to have Bitcoin JUST in Tampa and Kansas City.
It's clearly written why I identified those cities.

I'll try to summarize here, in hope you will catch it.
1) biggest hurdle to make Bitcoin mainstream: convince them Bitcoin works, without having them understand how does it exactly work
2) how to make people trust in a complex SYSTEM, when they can't understand it?
3) let them see that the system ACTUALLY RUNNING
4) people can't see US, Bitcoin enthusiasts, as a SYSTEM that is ALREADY using the currency
5) they dismiss us as weirdos that are being SCAMMED (otherwise why oh why all the world is not using Bitcoin already?)
6) thus we need to show people a smaller, more identifiable system running on Bitcoin
7) what is the best way to do that?
8 )find the location in the world where Bitcoin has best reception, and convert it as much as possible
9) profit.

Now, you may not agree with this promotional mechanism, but at least I hope that you catched it now.





Quote from: zeraTunerse
The only thing we need to do is keep on recommending

We are ALREADY doing that, I guess, and that's clearly not working that much.
And even if that was somewhat working, what I exposed is a promotional mechanism that could immensely boost Bitcoin adoption through the world.
I exposed the reasoning behind this, if you read carefully you can spot there's some logic behind it.

Nobody says "hey everybody stop spreading the word, just let the guys in Tampa proceed to do all the work".

I just say "This is the location where people look more open minded regarding Bitcoin, it's the best place to evangelize because it's the place where people are more favorable to it. As showing a system running is the best way to convince people that a system WORKS, it might  be a good idea to proceed to convert Tampa instead than any other place on Earth, because people are more open minded towards Bitcoin."
You may not agree with this of course, but in this case you should say the reason.
Because I think it's quite undeniable that one of the best tactics to sell something is to show that the thing is working.
And evidently, showing that Bitcoin is mechanically working is not enough: people must see that there's a place on Earth that runs mostly on Bitcoin, otherwise they won't adopt it, or it will take a lot of time.
342  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin: Should you stay or should you go? on: July 29, 2015, 08:10:50 PM
Without a defining killer app, I am confident that Bitcoin will, in fits and starts, inevitably return to its 2009 levels. It would be pointless to guess how long that process will take; or when that killer app will appear although I am also confident it will appear at some entirely unpredictable point.

I'm easily old enough to remember the very early days of personal computers. I remember a story from The Wall Street Journal in which a reporter interviewed a small-business owner (I think an auto-repair shop) who had bought an Apple II. The reporter asked the man what he thought of his purchase. The man stared glumly at the Apple for a moment and then sourly commented: "The damn thing just sits there."

Exactly. The world was just never going to buy into a command-prompt environment in a really big way. But the Mac came along and then the world began to change. (Be like the Mac! Bill Gates commanded his troops developing Windows 95.) And so it will be with Bitcoin. The world will never buy into it until an environment comes along that makes it easier, safer, and a lot more fun to use. Until then, the price will suffer periodic whale-dumps and then sort of bounce, spurt, and finally just roll along long enough for people to start talking (again) about "Bitcoin's recent price stability." And then yet another whale-dump will splash the water and the retroactively obvious cycle will begin again.

If you decide to go, then you will miss out on the killer app that will send Bitcoin to the moon and beyond. If you decide to stay, then you will watch the value of your stash just ebb away before your eyes. That choice defines your control.

As for me, for now I'm going to stay. But I've got Coinbase and can go in a second. That could happen at any time too.

[Comment added June 23, 2015:

My conclusion: stay. The blockchain itself will be the killer app upon which all other apps and bitcoins' fiat value will depend.]



https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1138135.0
343  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Bitcoin to mainstream adoption tactic on: July 29, 2015, 07:26:55 PM
After several months of thinking about the Bitcoin issues to become a worldwide used currency, I've come to the conclusions you can read below, and I want to share them and hear opinions from other people.

The object of this study is to understand which is the best LOCATION to base the spreading of Bitcoin, in relation to effort, investment and local conditions.

The first consideration I make is that cryptocurrency main problem is reception by mainstream.
Cryptocurrency is such a new concept, something that such a large part of humanity has never heard or thought before, that pushing it into their lives under the form of money, a thing that so much influence our lives, replacing it completely, is an enormous task.

And up to here, I'm sure, you didn't read anything new Cheesy

The second consideration is that who acknowledged Bitcoin up to now is a particular group of persons: open minded, computer enthusiasts, mostly young males with generally an over the average IQ are the ones that can understand what is behind Bitcoin and its potentiality.
There's been somewhat of a boom from 2013 to now in Bitcoin spreading, with its highs and lows of course, but the boom has slowed down quite much in terms of adoption from privates at the moment, and we are in a phase that sees companies and banks studying it.

Also up to here, you probably didn't read anything too original Cheesy

So, now there's a question we are asking ourselves all the time: HOW to keep Bitcoin spreading and help it?
Following the two statements up here, we can guess that the best way to help Bitcoin spreading is FINDING PEOPLE LIKE MINDED.
People like us that can understand how Bitcoin works, or at least be so much open minded to ACCEPT that IT WORKS, even if they can't catch exactly HOW.
Also because, let's face it: IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
Most of humanity will not understand HOW Bitcoin works.
They will just use it, like they use cars, refrigerators, smartphones, and all the rest.
My personal opinion is that at least half of humanity would have big problems in understanding the blockchain mechanism, let alone cryptography and all the other stuff.
So, we have to EXPAND our target pool and look for people that will just ACCEPT Bitcoin, and following this, proceed in evangelizing THAT target population.

The main problem is FINDING this type of people, the ones that are not so much into computers or economy, but are enough open minded to adopt Bitcoin.

Of course, even up to here it may be that you didn't read anything too new.

But here comes the plot twist (maybe) Cheesy

How do you find a huge number of people and convince them to use Bitcoin without using a huge amount of resources, time and money?
I may have an answer to this, which also involves another consideration.

HOW do you convince a person that A SYSTEM is working?
You show this person THAT SYSTEM WORKING.
THAT's what we lack at the moment.
The rest of the world see us as "Bitcoin enthusiasts", weirdos that have fallen into some type of scam they have no wish to investigate further.
Or, in the best of cases, "if Bitcoin will become mainstream, I will adopt it, but for now I'm not interested."
People can't understand that we, some hundred of thousand of people scattered around the globe ARE ALREADY THAT SYSTEM.
We have to show them something more CLEAR, something their brains will accept as an irrefutable reality.
Something even SMALLER.
But something that can be easily identified as an ECONOMIC SYSTEM WORKING UNDER BITCOIN.
Or at least a big part of it, like 60 or 70%.
Something that will let these people understand that the thing works, WITHOUT ANY DOUBT.

We are asking to people to replace MONEY, the thing they used since they born, with something completely different.
This is the hurdle. We have to overcome this. We have to show them that their MONEY can be REPLACED with BITCOIN.

Now, when people can't perceive the "Bitcoin enthusiasts" as a system that IS working, we must ask ourselves WHAT they can see, understand and accept as that.
The answer that came to my mind is "a small city".
I think that when a small city will begin to run in large part under Bitcoin, the boom into mainstream will begin.

Not that this hasn't been tried before.
I was so enthusiast when I read about the Island of Mann becoming Bitcoin capital.
That disappeared in nothing. The government may accept Bitcoin for taxes payments, but if you go and look with Coinmap in there, it's a desert. It only means that there was ONE Bitcoin enthusiast in the government building, or a couple, or three. Doesn't matter. The community isn't a good one to accept the thing.
Then I read about the Island of Jersey. That puffed up in nothing as well, despite an association all oriented to promote Bitcoin on the island.

So, is the obstacle insurmountable?
I don't think so.
We only have to find WHERE people are most open minded regarding Bitcoin.
But to do this, there's a hurdle to overcome: as Bitcoin grants some level of anonimity, we don't know which country or city has the most adoption.
So, how to find this location, where people are more open into accepting Bitcoin, and PUSH IN THERE to make that small system fully (or mostly) working on Bitcoin currency?

Bitcoin map is only giving away VENUES that accept Bitcoin.
But, hey! Venues that accept Bitcoin... aren't shop owners the most difficult people to convince into adoption, because they have to add something to their system of payments?
So when you find the city with the most shops accepting Bitcoins, in relation to its population, it's probably the best location where to push Bitcoin adoption.
It means that THAT city is the most open minded regarding Bitcoins and that the effort into creating the Bitcoin system should go there.

So, I scoured a Bitcoin map to find which city has the best ratio of adoption of Bitcoin in its shops, and the result is below.
I didn't check systematically all the cities, I just looked at most promising locations, so if somebody will re-check, he may find something better, but I doubt it.

One last consideration.
People favorable to Bitcoin may not the single most influencing factor into the equation.
Bad economy in that location may as well be important, but I couldn't find a city with as good reception of Bitcoin as Tampa, Florida, in the USA, population 360000.

You would think that countries with bad economy would be first in the list of shops that accept Bitcoins, but unluckily, for some reason, it's not like that.
This may depend on lower income and less smartphones/computers available, or just because their minds are less favorable to accept new things, like the case of Greece seems to show.
Whatever the reason, my opinion is that poor countries DO NOT seem the places where the revolution will begin.

If I was a millionaire, with money to invest and promote Bitcoin (which in turn would come back under growth of Bitcoin value), I would invest in promoting in Tampa, as THIS looks the most Bitcoin receptive city in the world.
So, dudes from Tampa, I'm sure there's quite a number of you in this forum Grin you are the ONES, you are the chosen ones that should put more effort than everybody into spreading the word.
Your city is the one that probably puts less opposition to the thing, and will probably be the first "Bitcoin city" in the world anyway.
So if there's any millionaire in here... try to recruit some fellow Bitcoiner and send him spread the word.
For everybody's goodness and for yourself as well Wink

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nxbKuDItuKWVeQ8zqWgCBBqOxpyZ7CsfOz4gpwGgjCk/edit?usp=sharing

http://bitcoinmaps.info/

P.s.: alternatively, there's Kansas City, that looks very near in open mindedness regarding Bitcoin, but it's 140000 people more population... quite some more work to do!
344  Economy / Economics / Re: What the hell happened? on: July 29, 2015, 05:59:24 PM
I have this crazy theory that there is more supply than demand at the moment.  Grin

Huahehe it's possible, but the problem is that nearly all the cryptos have lost some points today.
Usually, this is related to some news that menace to hinder the proceeding of the assets.
And if nobody sells, the price can't go down.
If the price goes down, this means somebody is selling for a lower price.

I watched around but could find no too bad news about cryptocurrencies... so I'm lost.

The only conclusion I can come up with, is that as Bitcoin is changed by 80% on Yuan, chinese miners have lowered the price to keep selling bitcoins and there really is being a lack of demand in China.
The question is: why keep selling and lose income by lowering the price, instead than holding them and wait for the value to grow?
345  Other / Off-topic / Re: Read my short story (just few lines) and donate Bitcoins :D on: July 29, 2015, 03:33:44 PM
OK verified the thing: from pc it doesn't require to sign up.
The story is only 1 page long, and you can read it entirely without signing up.

Using the smartphone, though, it looks like the request to sign up  pops up in front of the page and there's no escape from it.

It would be nice if you at least click the star though, thank you Smiley
346  Economy / Economics / Re: What the hell happened? on: July 29, 2015, 03:21:51 PM
They are but it's not like it's obivous which website is doing it or something. also they can't really make 1 BTC go to 1 million per BTC in one night. It's not that easy to manipulate but since they have shitload of bitcoins they have some power to do pump & dump

I don't think you need more than some thousand dollars to influence STELLAR price as it is now.
347  Other / Off-topic / Re: Read my short story (just few lines) and donate Bitcoins :D on: July 29, 2015, 02:46:30 PM
Doh I just see that from smartphone it requires signup... from pc it doesn't!
I'll solve this.

Btw what is faucetting?
348  Other / Off-topic / Re: Read my short story (just few lines) and donate Bitcoins :D on: July 29, 2015, 02:43:05 PM
I don't want to sign up and I can't donate BTC. Why not do some faucetting instead of asking for donations. If you think you are good at writing do some content writing for BTC of Dollars. Their are a lot of opportunities.

In fact you don't need to go anywhere else use your writing skill here one this forum and get paid in BTC.

You don't need to sign anything, dude.
And it's such a short story, even the donation I ask is a joke Wink
I'd just like to have some readers and spread it Smiley
349  Economy / Economics / Re: What the hell happened? on: July 29, 2015, 12:51:18 PM
Maybe you can have a better idea of what I say here: http://bravenewcoin.com/price/price-index/#all

More then likely it's a bug . and here is why : http://coinmarketcap.com/
as you can see , Stellar is going up and not going up , at least not by 60% as you are saying .

I see the difference between the two websites, but how can a BUG like that happen?
All crypto are falling, and at the same moment, Stellar had a bump.
Also, you don't even need an enormous capital to make that bump in Stellar at that value... probably buying 3000$ of that will have it done.

Anyway, any idea why almost all cryptocurrencies are falling today?

Probably the regular and like always .. just another exchange website manipulation , nothing that dangerous

I imagined this as well but... aren't these websites trusted by thousands of people?
350  Other / Off-topic / Re: Read my short story (just few lines) and donate Bitcoins :D on: July 29, 2015, 12:49:19 PM
post it here. cant open that.

Man you just had to press a button to get in... anyway, here's the direct address: https://www.wattpad.com/150898697-the-rite Cheesy
351  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The status of Bitcoin information in the World on: July 29, 2015, 12:33:01 PM
I am collecting names of people, I want to go back to when this happens. Just to rub it in their smug faces for being so dumb, when they bashed me for believing in it's potential and investing in it. ^HeH^

 Grin Grin Grin
352  Economy / Economics / Re: What the hell happened? on: July 29, 2015, 12:21:50 PM
Maybe you can have a better idea of what I say here: http://bravenewcoin.com/price/price-index/#all

More then likely it's a bug . and here is why : http://coinmarketcap.com/
as you can see , Stellar is going up and not going up , at least not by 60% as you are saying .

I see the difference between the two websites, but how can a BUG like that happen?
All crypto are falling, and at the same moment, Stellar had a bump.
Also, you don't even need an enormous capital to make that bump in Stellar at that value... probably buying 3000$ of that will have it done.

Anyway, any idea why almost all cryptocurrencies are falling today?
353  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Price about to explode..at 296.74 now.... on: July 29, 2015, 10:22:45 AM
the price has been hanging just a few bucks below the $300 level. looks like no one yet is willing to give bitcoin the push to go over $300 and potentially trigger a small rally.

We've touched $300 in March and came back down to $220. This time hopefully will be different. Prices rose to $310 middle of this month and we did not trace down, but stayed above $275! May be it will be 3rd time lucky, $350 may be?  Smiley

well the rise to over $310 this month was due to greece. currently there is no reason of why the price should go over $300. and it shows as it is pushed down again.

I don't believe in price prediction for such an instable currency as Bitcoin, it's too early and too many things must happen month by month.
But exactly for that that your "there is no reason" is wrong.
Greece is not the only country drowning in shit.
Take Argentina in example.
354  Economy / Economics / Re: What will be our new world currency? on: July 29, 2015, 10:22:23 AM
US dollar is going to die in 10 years.
Euro will die as well.
Bitcoin will replace them.
And in 20 years local countries currencies will be gone.
355  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: Video - The First Ever LIVE Bitcoin Ponzi * 1 Hour Life * Minimum 1 Confirm = 2X on: July 29, 2015, 09:40:47 AM
All ponzi must die.. sorry to say, it is a short term short sighted idea that feeds on greed and scams people making the world an ugly place, with uglyminded people.

Video is a nice medium. Try to use it in a better way, like the guy tagging bananas with a personal message and feeding them to monkeys for a few BTC.
Even the video of simply eating a sandwich brings more joy to the world than any ponzi ever did!

I think the fact that he published the video about this is a good thing.
Only 3 weeks ago I had a discussion with a guy stating that Bitcoin IS just a ponzi scheme.
He showed me some articles as old as 2013.
I gave him a couple of links from articles of 2015.
He didn't bother to answer.
But just to say: we using Bitcoin are just very very few yet, and many many people still think that Bitcoin is like supermarket points or ponzi scheme or some other shit.
We have to overcome their distorted reality.
And this video proves that Bitcoin is NOT a ponzi, BUT can be used to set up a ponzi, LIKE ANY OTHER CURRENCY (OR FORM OF VALUE) CAN!
356  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: That's how todays 5-10 year old will react in 10 years about Bitcoin explanation on: July 29, 2015, 09:27:49 AM
Completely agree.
Those kids are so addicted to having instant communication through the globe, instant access to informations, instant gaming online, they can't imagine reality as it was just 15 years ago.

The same will go for boys and girls that will be 20 in 2030: they will barely remember those paper banknotes, and will just be so addicted to go around with a cellphone and pay with it.
By the way... that cellphone could be like... 2 cubic centimeters by then, and implanted under skin or in a bracelet, projecting the screen mid air. We can't know it now. But I am pretty sure it won't be a slab like the ones we use today.
357  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: the blockchain will be hacked on: July 29, 2015, 09:01:31 AM
Eventually we will land on the sun. one day it has to become dark. then we can land.

You look a bit stupid now... you can just land on the dark side of the sun, the nightly side.
358  Economy / Economics / Re: What the hell happened? on: July 29, 2015, 08:59:32 AM
Maybe you can have a better idea of what I say here: http://bravenewcoin.com/price/price-index/#all
359  Economy / Economics / What the hell happened? on: July 29, 2015, 08:48:10 AM
Stellar gone up 60%, Bitcoin, Dash, Litecoin, Dogecoin, dropping down, together with most of other altcoins.

Any info about this?
360  Other / Off-topic / Re: DO YOU HAVE 1 BITCOIN? on: July 27, 2015, 08:48:03 PM
Yeah, and why there's no poll?
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