Why are CLAM getting so much value?

I opened this thread only because so many people didn't want to join my FB group because of privacy or security and stuff.
They didn't want to let others know they are Bitcoin users.
What will happen when so many more people will be Bitcoin users?
They will join a page where they state that they are not Bitcoin users?

So I opened this thread to show that they are not safe just because they don't join a FB page.
NSA knows everything.
And a hacker doesn't need your name to see if you have a Bitcoin wallet.
Hackers roam around FB to steal ID data, not Bitcoins.

But regarding you, remember that secrets and conspiracies are a constant all along human history, they are also a constant all along all human society, from family to friends to larger social structures.
Thinking that everything you see is all there's to see is just very, very, very naive and ignorant.

And, I don't know about you, but in example, thinking that we are entering a WW3 because somebody decided to do it, quite disturbs, annoys and enrages me. I feel manipulated, in danger, because somebody else want it like that.
If you think they work for you, you are again very very naive.

What about fiat cash?

  I agree with this, I opened this thread only because I have some people questioning privacy when I set up an initiative to try count Bitcoin users through a Facebook group.
They think the government will finally see them if they join the group 
The only thing they are right is that hackers around can see who is involved in Bitcoin, his name and more data.
Problem is, hackers don't care at all about your name when they look for prey.

Just a question of names 

Agree on this.
If you want to do something illegal, it depends on what extent.
In example, if you sell weed, unless you enter the "thousands dollars per month" realm, I don't think that NSA will begin to check your connection, and until you create new Bitcoin addresses, you are safe: nobody can find how you get paid.

But if you plan to do something worse, like, I don't know, importing 300000$ of drugs, I would never, ever use my HOME connection to get my payment throught Bitcoin.
I would use a completely separate device for that purpose, and use it on an open wifi or only turn it on with mobile connection to effect the transfer, then turn it off immediately.
And even then, I would leave that device FAR from my home, because each and every device has its own ID and even if you connect from a public place with your CrapPhone, then you bring that CrapPhone at home, they will identify that it was THAT CrapPhone that connected to THAT wifi and effected THAT transfer. It's like a hot potato.
You wouldn't be safe anyway.

The conclusion is that BANKNOTES are FAR more anonymous than Bitcoin.
If you like Bitcoin because it's anonymous, you are on the wrong way: revert to banknotes.
Bitcoin is only PRIVACY SAFE, but nothing more.

I think it's unavoidable: there WILL be the final blow where a lot of people will get their life savings fucked up.
But it will be the last time.

Consider this: 97% of money in circulation is fake.
There's no paper whatsoever in correspondence, and no real goods in correspondence.
Banks just loaned money they don't have.
And they loaned it, instead than just GIVING it, so they could put the entire system under an artificial debt, something that really doesn't exist.
Nobody owes a fucking fuck to banks.

Anyway, when people will want to get back that money, and that will happen when Bitcoin will gain enough credibility, they will go to banks to get some money and buy Bitcoins.
When people will begin to ask more than 2% of those money... banks will collapse.
Or maybe not collapse, they will just close and say they are "missing liquidity".
Then guess what: they will print more and more money.
But as Bitcoin value will shoot through the stars, fiat currencies will hyperinflate.
A lot of people will get very, very hurt: they will have their bank accounts amounting to tens, or hundred of thousands of dollars... worthless, because nobody will want those.
BUT THESE PEOPLE WILL BE HURT FOR THE LAST TIME.
From that moment on, people will not give a damn flying fuck about dollars:
PEOPLE WILL WANT TO BE PAID IN BITCOINS FOR THE WORK THEY DO.
AND THAT WILL BE THE SEAL TO BANKS TOMBS.
People will have their savings in Bitcoins, nobody will create artificial inflation to keep enslaving them, nobody will create artificial crisis to make situations up for wars.



Btw, I read an article on NASDAQ yesterday: http://www.nasdaq.com/article/bitcoin-and-remittances-can-it-work-cm504136
Title: Bitcoin and remittances: can it work?

Just a consideration, we are talking BEFORE fiat currency will be completely wiped out.
I confess I never used a money transfer service, but I've seen fees swinging from 10% to 30% in articles about them.

Now think about somebody that wants to send 300$ from USA to Thailand and knows about Bitcoin:

• He just BUYS 1 BTC (conversion fee around 1%)
• Then he SEND that BTC to his family in Thailand (NO FEES)
• Then his family just SELLS that BTC and gets Thai Baht (conversion fee around 1%)

How can you compare this to a remittance service? That's a 2% fees.
Remittances will convert to just fiat-BTC exchanges, very soon. Probably in less than 2 years the large majority of them will be just an exchange, just let people time to understand that Bitcoin is not that monster they think it is.

And this is when the world is still using fiat money... while Bitcoin gains reputation, more and more shops will accept it, less and less exchange with fiat will happen.
Remittances will just disappear.

Tic tac tic tac... time passes, banks are walking zombies and that's all you need to know.

But they actually did: CoinJar moved away.
OK, that's just a slowdown to Bitcoin diffusion, but it happened.

Maybe, but they are still there, and for some years still.

Also, the link in your sign doesn't work.

1. even thin clients connect to their nodes. NSA knows it.

2. when you open a wallet, you connect to a node. This is inevitable.

3. correct. But this is you. Most people use common installed wallets from pc or smartphone. And that's the norm.

4. I don't really understand what you are talking about, probably some coding stuff. While most users at the moment are tech savvy, they are not all coders, you know. And anyway, if you don't use a webservice you are still connecting to a Bitcoin node from your home.

So, sir, better you reconsider:
YOU may be off the scope of NSA (but if needed, they will switch more attention to you), but most people are being traced, in general, and THAT's what I'm talking about.
Seems you only wanted to show your e-peen size.

Don't worry: when finally the fiat currency bubble will explode, they will learn 

If not exactly proportional to how much BTC they mine every day, something near that number?

I can't understand how you can think there are hidden nodes.
This website should represent accessible nodes, right?
If you can't see a node here, neither another node can see it, right?
Or wrong? I'm no expert, I confess.

Too late for what?
People can buy Bitcoin anywhere on the net, companies can spawn and go back into Australia, so who cares?
If Australia goes on accepting Bitcoin as a parallel currency, that's only good.
They are only 1-2 years late in understanding this, but no drama please.

Bitcoin doesn't go mainstream for several reasons, but the worst and more difficult to fight of them is mental inertia.
People don't really know how money work and they keep using it just because they trust it.
At the same time they can't really catch HOW Bitcoin works, and Bitcoin is difficult to trust for a huge amount of people, exactly because they can't understand it.
It will be a slow, slow penetration... as Bill Gates stated: "it's a technological tour de force."

Exactly.
Banks will ALWAYS ask you more than a distributed network, so why go to them?
Only for loans I imagine... but I would still stick to Bitcoin as much as possible.

I'm just saying: if you think government doesn't know you are onto Bitcoin, you are wrong.

Btw, now that I think about it... they probably have a very good estimate of how many Bitcoin users are all over the globe 

I could just send them an email and ask for that number

That's good, NSA wouldn't probably know, but the person in front of you would know.
And, as far as I know, this happens really, really rarely

There surely are better methods, like in example if every node would compile a database of IP addresses we would probably have a very precise estimate of the number of Bitcoin users.
But that needs work from the Bitconi developers, I do what I can, and this is just a try.

China?

I open this thread because it seems many people have the illusion of anonymity with Bitcoin.

There's a degree of anonymity when you pay with Bitcoin: it's a little more than when you pay in cash, when you buy online, and it's THE SAME of paying in cash if you use Bitcoin at a cafe or in a shop.

But if you think the government can't "spy on you" when you use Bitcoin you are so wrong.

NSA KNOWS you have something to do with Bitcoin when you launch your wallet and connect to a node.

They control each and every connection, so they see from home at n.XX Dumb Street, where Genius Guy lives, somebody just opened a Bitcoin wallet, because you just connected to a Bitcoin node.
And because the volume transfer reveals the amount of money transmitted, they could also know if you have a load of Bitcoin or you are just a guy with average cash.

Now, I may be wrong on this, but it seems pretty straightforward to think: NSA can filter PHONE CALLS and emails, you think they can't set up a system and identify who is running a Bitcoin node and, consequently, users with wallets?
If this system is not already up, it will soon be.
They won't know who is in front of the computer when the wallet is opened, but sure as the Sun, they know at that house somebody is using Bitcoin.



You scared of hackers? That's a better motivation for privacy but still... if you are here now, on this forum, chances are you are so tech savvy that you have a good antivirus installed, you don't open popups and install crap you don't know the origin of.



Also, think the following: if you are so scared to show that you use Bitcoin, what will happen in the future, when a large part of population will use it?
Will they all pretend to be still using dollars?

And last but not least... if a hacker manages to enter a computer, no matter if you use Bitcoin or bank account: he'll fuck both.
Sure, with Bitcoin the thing is much faster, but you won't be safe, regardless.

The problem is not Bitcoin, the problem is, and remains, being tech savvy.