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241  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Facebook group to estimate number of Bitcoin users on: August 04, 2015, 10:19:11 AM
This will be a pretty stupid move to join the forum, Facebook could track you down very easily if you want to remain anonymous then don't join it.

Actually the number of people doesn't matter. all we need is people using it and the market reflect how many users are there. And these wont reflect the real numbers too

There is just no way to estimate it accurately. As bitcoin is created for anonymity. And many people wont show up on these forums.

Bitcoin is created to fuck banks and stop slavery.
Anonymity is a collateral feature that HAD to be implemented.
On top of that, people would only know that you have some Bitcoin. So?
And on top of the top of that, NSA KNOWS you have something to do with Bitcoin when you launch your wallet and connect to a node  Roll Eyes
They control each and every connection, so they see from home at n.XX Dumb Street, where Genius Guy lives, somebody just opened a Bitcoin wallet, because you communicated with a Bitcoin node.
242  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: Why you cannot enter an arbitrary seed in Electrum on: August 04, 2015, 10:10:24 AM
Electrum is open source.  You can always make your own version with different parameters.
Or you can choose another HD wallet.


Thank you but I'm not such a coder.
So I just make present my opinion here, in the right section of the forum, in hope devs reconsider their choice.

Last but not least, your can FORCE the user to generate a high entropy passphrase.
This already happens on many websites when you make an account, they FORCE you to put caps and numbers and symbols, I'm sure you know it, so I can't understand why you keep on putting false obstacles only to keep saying that my considerations are wrong. It looks you just keep posting because you want to be right at all costs.
Anyway, because HE thought the passphrase, he will better remember it and there are more chances he won't need to store it anywhere.

Listen, I'm more than happy to be wrong (about anything).  And I'm not trying to put any
"obstacles" on your opinion.  Your opinion has been noted.

You do have a good point about the ease of memorization.
However, the devs are unlikely to change their opinion
as far as this:
 
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This is because humans are not good at generating really random phrases.

(That's straight from the OP in this thread).
Forcing the users to put caps and numbers and symbols is not sufficient to create Bitcoin level entropy.




Look:

I loved my little furry Jeenee, got her at the beach in an afternoon of summer 1992. Now Jeenee is no more but my memory for her still lives.

You have a word that was nowhere to be found on internet before (bad spelling from my ex-girlfriend), caps, numbers, punctuation and a total of 140 characters.
What do you think about this?

Just to not let hackers waste time: those sentences have nothing to do with my passphrase Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
243  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: Why you cannot enter an arbitrary seed in Electrum on: August 04, 2015, 10:04:58 AM
This is an example of password people should use (don't use this example)

JhXb3gDtr8sDBhSmN3Pe5qwKMT3D4DgAqrYEZ8Ngqh5hW97cQEmrKuV3D
(57 character, cryptographically secure, totally random, impossible to guess & bruteforce)


dang you are paranoid.

but i would disagree that dice rolls aren't reliable.  I think any bias you could find would be far too small to exploit.

It's called precaution, sure i have less than 15 bitcoins now in my posession, which arent worth alot to go through all the hassle to steal it compared to the security i put in, but one day that 1 bitcoin can be worth 1 million dollar, and then its another story.

I`m thinking ahead in the future.

I just remember some idiot had 1000 bitcoins in the blockchain.info account and he got hacked and lost it all.

There is a saying:  "A fool and his money are soon parted.And it's true."

My passphrase is more than 12 words, more than 90 characters, includes punctuation and cannot be found anywhere on the internet and not even on my computer Wink
Oh, and it's not even in english!

You can't compare an alphanumeric string to the set of 12 words automatically generated as a seed: that SURELY is more entropic than any human phrase, but maybe 1 person on 1000 can remember that string. I can remember my fiscal code that is 15 characters, and I could probably learn that string, but I still don't think that's needed.

We are talking about the possibility to let users write their own key phrase.

Btw: I'll be back when my money will be parted Wink
244  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Facebook group to estimate number of Bitcoin users on: August 04, 2015, 09:51:29 AM
Your best bet, is to ask exchanges adhering to the KYC/AML regulations to post their totals on the forum. Duplication and sock puppets are then eliminated and you would get some clear totals of Bitcoin users per country. I have seen some totals being quoted within articles, but I do not know how accurate and updated they are.

I have 5 Facebook accounts, and I will join with 3 of them, just to inflate your totals a bit, how does that sound? 

This is my biggest fear with something like this. People can intentionally mess up the stats. And I can imagine some people don't want to link their real identity to bitcoin yet.

For one like him, we probably have 3 that won't join in fear of privacy.
Voilà: equilibrium! Cheesy
245  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Facebook group to estimate number of Bitcoin users on: August 04, 2015, 09:50:03 AM
I have 5 Facebook accounts, and I will join with 3 of them, just to inflate your totals a bit, how does that sound? 

That would just look a bit stupid.
As the large majority of people just makes one FB account and is not polemic by nature Wink
246  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Facebook group to estimate number of Bitcoin users on: August 04, 2015, 09:48:29 AM
Number of users in this forum? Not good anyway.
Lot of people don't like forums at all, they may use Bitcoin but not register here.
Users of this forum are an underestimation of actual userbase.

Underestimate? You have no clue about the number of alts / sock puppet accounts in this forum. Tongue
I personally won't be comfortable using my real world identity to join this facebook group.

Seems like you don't want to understand.
This forum users do not represent ALL the Bitcoin users AT ALL.
And I posted earlier up why, if you are curious.
247  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Facebook group to estimate number of Bitcoin users on: August 04, 2015, 09:47:01 AM
i hope you receive the attention and satisfaction you seem to desperately desire.  sad to say i will not be joining your facebook bitcoin group.

Ba dum... tss?
248  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: Why you cannot enter an arbitrary seed in Electrum on: August 03, 2015, 09:44:30 PM
Electrum is open source.  You can always make your own version with different parameters.
Or you can choose another HD wallet.


Thank you but I'm not such a coder.
So I just make present my opinion here, in the right section of the forum, in hope devs reconsider their choice.

Last but not least, your can FORCE the user to generate a high entropy passphrase.
This already happens on many websites when you make an account, they FORCE you to put caps and numbers and symbols, I'm sure you know it, so I can't understand why you keep on putting false obstacles only to keep saying that my considerations are wrong. It looks you just keep posting because you want to be right at all costs.
Anyway, because HE thought the passphrase, he will better remember it and there are more chances he won't need to store it anywhere.
249  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: Why you cannot enter an arbitrary seed in Electrum on: August 03, 2015, 09:20:06 PM
I suggest you to immediately change your password, and never ever use it in any public site/forum or search engine!

Dude, thank you for all your effort first of all, but... can you tell me how my search can be directly linked to me?
Also, my provider still groups many users under one IP, so I think I shouldn't be so easy to trace.
And last but not least, where should my IP be published?

If you have static IP then its horrible, because once anybody gets a hold of that they can track you every website you visit, if they obtain the websites logs.

If its dynamic it adds a little bit more security.

Every website you visit knows your IP address because everytime a connection is made to another site, your IP is revealed. Every instant messaging software reveals your IP. So any stranger you have skyped with, yahoo messengered with, or any other instant messenger you used to talk with strangers can have you IP.

Also if a hacker puts a tracking cookie on your PC (which many advertising sites already do, but a hacker with malicious desires i mean), he can track every site you visit.

Also trojans, and keyloggers are the other part, when if you get a virus that logs everything and sends it to the hacker, he can log your entire internet activity, from every mouse movement to every keystroke.

Yes privacy is very shallow on the internet, you must take extra precautions if you dont want your sensitive data to be revealed.

I honestly don't know if it varies, but I know that I'm not in Rome and my connection always shows up like I'm in Rome.
Anyway, to hack my wallet, a hacker should have got my IP when I made my search at that time (years ago). I since then changed home and internet provider many, MANY times. And even if he's a "friend" and sees my IP now, he only knows part of my passphrase. I have no virus on my computer, no keylogger or anything (of course I may be wrong, but I have always updated antivirus and system, and there's firewall of course).



Anyway, my security is all off topic.

Back on topic.

I can remember EASILY my passphrase, and many people could do that as well.
It's much more difficult to remember random words, especially when those words are all in english and not all the world speaks english.
This leads to people escaping remembering those words and adopting solutions like the ones I explained.
Only security maniacs will store those words in memory at all costs.
Common people have huge difficulties remembering a password of 15 characters 5 minutes after they set it.
I KNOW THIS, because I help all friends and relatives with their fuckin accounts...
So, just to recap, not giving the chance to set up an arbitrary seed doesn't increase security.
Most common users won't store those words in memory.
People will either snapshot the screen (like I did) and send it to their email.
Or print it. Or write those words in email or in a txt document (that can be lost and/or stolen).
ALL these solutions lead to security issues and this means the mandatory random seed doesn't work as wanted, while an arbitrary seed can be better remembered and would probably be used as intended.

Now, this is my opinion, of course, and it may be wrong.
But I suggest then a poll to verify if I'm so wrong, because I may be not that far from reality.
250  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: Why you cannot enter an arbitrary seed in Electrum on: August 03, 2015, 09:06:20 PM
I suggest you to immediately change your password, and never ever use it in any public site/forum or search engine!

Dude, thank you for all your effort first of all, but... can you tell me how my search can be directly linked to me?
Also, my provider still groups many users under one IP, so I think I shouldn't be so easy to trace.
And last but not least, where should my IP be published?

you always think these ways of getting hacked are unlikely until they actually happen.
I think the bottom line is to never type your cold storage Bitcoin password on a live computer.

A much simpler case is that you have a keylogger that is sending all your information to a
hacker who can later use it.



I use computers since I was 11.
I am now 45.
I have antivirus installed since ever and always updated.
I update Windows every week.
People that find keyloggers in their pc are no tech savvy at all, they roam shitty websites and click yes on every window that pops up, then run or install everything.
That's not me.
I'm bold on this: I've never been hacked, and only got a virus in 2001 when internet here was pretty fresh.
I'm nothing special, just a user that uses antivirus and closes all the shit that pop up and install only known source software.
So thank you for your effort, but believe me: nobody is going to enter here.
251  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Facebook group to estimate number of Bitcoin users on: August 03, 2015, 09:00:13 PM
Facebook group just to estimate number of Bitcoin users is not the best idea, since people won't be interested in such purely statistical thing.
The best way to monitor growth of bitcoin users imho is by observing the number of wallets instead; even tho it's not accurate, it gets you the base idea on
just how much trend bitcoin community is having.

cheers

FB may not be the best choice, but wallets are surely worse, I explained before why.
On pc I downloaded and installed at least 5 different wallets.
As webwallets, I registered in many, maybe 10 or 15, just to see the interface and services offered.
On my smartphone I tried 5 wallets.
So it's easy to see that a single user can have have so many wallets.

Number of users in this forum? Not good anyway.
Lot of people don't like forums at all, they may use Bitcoin but not register here.
Users of this forum are an underestimation of actual userbase.

On the other side, there's plenty people that just live and see Bitcoin just a good method of payment to remain anonymous.
All this mania you get to not show that you use Bitcoin... if find it ridiculous.
NSA will know you use Bitcoin the moment you open your wallet on your pc and connect to the net.

And I'm tired of this dispute about the initiative.
Who wants to join, welcome.
The others, you will be out of the group! Cheesy
252  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Facebook group to estimate number of Bitcoin users on: August 03, 2015, 08:23:42 PM
How can you estimate the number of bitcoin users via Facebook? There are so many people who have over 1000 FB accounts and the count cannot be considered a valid one. Even polls and surveys are manipulated due to multiple entries by single users.

Each and every method will not give an exact number.
It's just a try.
253  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Sooooo China, isn't this shameful? on: August 03, 2015, 08:21:45 PM
So, China mines 80% of Bitcoins at the moment, right?
Or anyway, 80% of Bitcoins are sold to Yuan.

And they only have some 15 nodes? That's awful, really.

https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/
254  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: Why you cannot enter an arbitrary seed in Electrum on: August 03, 2015, 08:02:12 PM
I suggest you to immediately change your password, and never ever use it in any public site/forum or search engine!

Dude, thank you for all your effort first of all, but... can you tell me how my search can be directly linked to me?
Also, my provider still groups many users under one IP, so I think I shouldn't be so easy to trace.
And last but not least, where should my IP be published?
255  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Facebook group to estimate number of Bitcoin users on: August 03, 2015, 07:48:10 PM
I'm not on the 'book of faces'......

So just add one to the total to include me  Grin

Still a long way to the 2 millions I think we are Cheesy
256  Economy / Speculation / Re: 21 millions bitcoiners on: August 03, 2015, 07:18:44 PM
What will be the value of one Bitcoin when the number of users (people that will want to use Bitcoin) will hit 21 millions?

At this point, if each user wanted to have 1 Bitcoin, will have to pay a certain number of $ or € or Y, whatever. I'm going with $ just because it's the most used around the world.

How many $ do you think that person, the n. 21 millionth, who wants to buy 1 BTC will have to pay to obtain it?

My wild guess is: 160000 $.

I wrote a post about this one day: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=998854.0 . One day I started a blog and turned it into a post on it:

http://www.unsignedtx.com/available-bitcoin-user-ratio/

Reading Smiley
257  Economy / Speculation / Re: 21 millions bitcoiners on: August 03, 2015, 07:16:48 PM
I think there's a difference between "greedy" and "somebody that is trying to earn something".
I only have less than 1 BTC and I am without a job. Would you call that greed?
I would call that irrelevant. You essentially earn money when the price of Bitcoin rises. Converting to fiat is not necessary. With the value of your investment now increased (assuming Bitcoin price sees a uptrend) you can actually spend it to get more stuff that before.
I for one, do not have any plans to convert. I rather have plans to buy things. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that nobody should convert in any case.

Greed is usually very obvious (view the speculation section). Anyhow, this might already be a bit off topic.

Might be off topic, but I don't like to be called greedy when I own nearly nothing  Roll Eyes

https://www.google.it/search?q=greedy&oq=greedy&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.1079j1j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8

well greedy aren't only those that own many coins, but are also those that are here for the money only and not for the technology, if you're here for necessity you might be in between, i mean no one can guarantee that when you will be wealthy again you will not want to earn more...

But everything grants me that people with many BTC over here and not spending them are more greedy than me, whatever motivations you want to put in.
So please stop this useless polemics. You can't say poor people are greedy when they try to have decent life.
From decent life up, you may call greedy, below, not. And that's it. BY DEFINITION as the link clearly shows.
258  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Facebook group to estimate number of Bitcoin users on: August 03, 2015, 07:09:00 PM
Look, I am a bitcoiner, but sorry, I would never join your group. Why you might ask?
Well all that NSA needs to do is check this group and would have a very nice list of Bitcoin users with their complete personal info! Too easy for them if you are asking me.
I like this answer. I have to add that I met many bitcoin users and among them are only few facebook users. This social network is highly disregarded in bitcoin community.
Bitcoin folks treasure anonymous approach of cryptocurrencies and freedom, facebook is a tool of invigilation and database for NSA. Giving them our IDs just like that would be bad idea.
Personally I don't use Facebook and I never will. You are a product if you are using facebook not an user.

Well... I would say that thinking NSA doesn't know if you use Bitcoin or not when you don't subscribe to FB and say this clearly is quite naive.

Echelon is not only tracing all communications of internet, but examining also voice calls and all text.

Now, imagine that you, from your cool pc, open up the Bitcoin wallet... VOILA' NSA knows  that at n.XX, Clever Street, Pasadena, where Genius Guy lives, somebody just connected to a Bitcoin node Cheesy you don't even need to make a transaction Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
259  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Facebook group to estimate number of Bitcoin users on: August 03, 2015, 07:05:42 PM
this is silly.  now you're just assuming that everyone in the world uses facebook.  also i think no one will join your group to estimate the number of facebook users that are aware of what bitcoin is.

News of today: half internet population is on FB.
260  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Facebook group to estimate number of Bitcoin users on: August 03, 2015, 07:04:19 PM
I don't know if this is allowed here, if not I'm sorry for it, just delete the thread.

Anyway, as I'm really curious on how many Bitcoin users are out there and it seems there's no reliable way to estimate it at the moment, I thought this could be a good try.
Quick, easy and inexpensive.
Just ask for subscription, spread the word, and let's see how many will join.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1153361628014629/

Also, remember: the more we are, the more reputation Bitcoin gains... so it's in our interest to manage to make this estimate.

there is already btc talk that give a good approx.
actually the users are:  525800
30% are clone and you don' have to count et voilà here there is the Bitcoin Users Number (approx)

If you think the whole world likes forums and waste time over them you are SO wrong, man.
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