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Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Ban bitcoin hardest in the future is more likely to be USA for the oil bitcoin
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on: August 16, 2014, 03:01:43 PM
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Putin said that Russia should aim to sell its oil and gas for rubles globally because the dollar monopoly in energy trade was damaging Russia's economy.
Does the America wake up？ Dollar has been in decline, they have to make a choice between bitcoin or something else....
Of cause, to other countries institutions and individuals, now it's the last opportunity to collect chips and build stockpiles.
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Local / 中文 (Chinese) / Re: 半年内比特币都不会涨了，而且日后打压比特币最狠的，极可能是美国
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on: August 16, 2014, 02:48:30 PM
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已经不是极有可能是美国了，随着最近的新闻，确定是美国一直在打压比特币，多么可悲，一个宣扬民主，自由的地方一直打压这一个同是宣扬民主自由的物品。
所谓的主义都是假的，民民主自由也不例外，只有生意才是真的。
一个不错的消息是，俄罗斯已经宣布今后其出产石油和天然气必须使用卢布购买，俄罗斯是世界最大的石油和天然气生产国。
再加上伊朗等一些小国，我想这下米帝应该清醒了吧，美元的颓势是无可避免的，比特币是他们救命的稻草，如果他们还试图维护某种货币领域的优势的话。
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Local / 中文 (Chinese) / 比特币大会将于八月十六日在北卡州举行，敏感时候，我们都要宣传此会
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on: August 14, 2014, 08:04:24 AM
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Cryptolina比特币大会将于八月16日周六在美国北卡罗来纳州举行，届时策略监管专家组将会齐聚一堂，共同探讨纽约不久前提出的BitLicence监管法案。
专家组来自于法律、金融、政府等各界精英，他们会探讨监管法案对虚拟货币社区的影响。座谈会将由比特币基金会监管委员会的Todd Erickson主导。
美国铸币局前局长Edmund C.Moy颇有声望，毫无疑问他也会参与座谈。Moy不久前才对虚拟货币产生兴趣，他将会在会议上做政策演讲。
除此之外，Manatt, Phelps & Phillips（简称Manatt，全美最具实力的娱乐诉讼律师事务所之一）合伙人Carol Van Cleef也将出席会议，他代表着金融服务企业和联邦监管、合规、执法等问题的其他客户，包括反洗钱、电子支付和联邦存款保险。
David Aylor是美国查尔斯顿第九巡回法院的前助理律师，也兼职做检控官，他也将出席会议。
出席会议的还有注册会计师Tyler Gibbons和Andrew Beal。据说Beal正担任几个比特币2.0公司的法律顾问，致力于研究大众推广和分布式管理问题。
Faruk Okcetin是Crytolina的联合创始人，他说：我们希望为客户和企业提供问问题的机会，我们为能举办这次重大的会议感到荣幸。这次的讨论将能指引未来方向，我们会就这些亟待解决的问题为社区提供解答。
这个大会如果成功举行，应该能在一定程度上遏制比特币近期的颓势，大家都要努力，宣传这个会议。
就我个人而言，我是相当欣赏铸币局前主席Moy的，他对数字货币的理解也是一波三折，当初他对比特币也是很冷淡的，包括他任职铸币局主席的2009-2011年，但随着对数字货币的研究越来越深入，其观点开始转变，尤其今年5月后的一些讲话，其观点审慎而中肯，考虑到他的理论功底、资历、经验和影响力，他的一些观点颇值得大家一看。
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Local / 中文 (Chinese) / Re: 半年内比特币都不会涨了，而且日后打压比特币最狠的，极可能是美国
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on: August 14, 2014, 07:11:10 AM
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Cryptolina比特币大会将于八月16日周六在美国北卡罗来纳州举行，届时策略监管专家组将会齐聚一堂，共同探讨纽约不久前提出的BitLicence监管法案。专家组来自于法律、金融、政府等各界精英，他们会探讨监管法案对虚拟货币社区的影响。座谈会将由比特币基金会监管委员会的Todd Erickson主导。美国铸币局前局长Edmund C.Moy颇有声望，他将会在会议上做政策演讲。
这个时间点上的这个会议非常重要，或许能让行情有个反弹，大家一定要密切关注，并广为宣传....
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Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Ban bitcoin hardest in the future is more likely to be USA for the oil bitcoin
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on: August 13, 2014, 06:36:03 AM
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Every one was failed who underestimated China's development in the past 60 years including the USA, every one was failed also who underestimated Bitcoin's development in the past 5 years.
Since America will have to face the challenge of rapid growth of China and bitcoin, I do think they would have to make a painful choice between RMB rule all the world or bitcoin rule all the world finally, once the oil dollar can't continue.
If the latter is more beneficial to them, it would be far away from wise to suppress the bitcoin now.
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Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Ban bitcoin hardest in the future is more likely to be USA for the oil bitcoin
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on: August 13, 2014, 06:27:30 AM
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yingfeng, even though English isn't your first language it was a good read.
The United States cannot ban Bitcoin, however, they can regulate it like NYC's proposed bitlicense which will hurt that city's ability to innovate in cryptocurrency.
Thanks for your reply.
Maybe the United States do will not ban Bitcoin directly, but it can limit and constraint the bitcoin , even simply drive down the price of bitcoin just like this week.
I do think this broke of bitcoin is related to some special department of the United States. The cause is likely to be the oil bitcoin. |
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Local / 中文 (Chinese) / Re: 2023，棱镜折射下的比特币应用场景
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on: August 09, 2014, 02:20:45 PM
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莫斯科用斯诺登的公钥（比特币地址）和密码K创建了一个比特币付款，斯诺登必须给莫斯科披露密码K以换取这笔付款，莫斯科需要用K来解密Ex并获得情报。这样一来，双方都不能欺诈，这个过程中并不需要信任。
这一段内容非常重要，但似乎有点问题，密码K如果是莫斯科创建的，那后面的斯诺登必须给莫斯科披露密码K，就说不通了，他怎么会知道密码K，只能是莫斯科必须给斯诺登披露密码K，所以后面的内容就有点说不过去了....
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Local / 中文 (Chinese) / Re: 比特币网络的能耗到底有多大，给大家算算，亮瞎你的眼！！！
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on: August 09, 2014, 05:56:22 AM
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楼主怎么不去算算法币流通的成本？？
专用油墨的研发制造多少钱，专用纸浆多少钱，专用的磁条，金属线，专用的印钞厂，保安措施，摄像头，地价，人工永不停息的钞票防伪，这些多少钱？即便这样还有多少伪钞在流通，再还有运钞的车辆人员安保，银行要设置维护多少网点，多少人员，多少窗口，多少房子装修，多少摄像头，多少提款机，多少自动门，每天多少运钞车，每天多少人，多少遍的现金盘点？每天为了存钱取现，多少人要苦苦排队，还有多少围绕，存款取现的偷、盗、抢劫、杀人，刑侦审判，监狱等等等等等等等等。还能耗，耗你妹啊！！！！
楼主只是算了下耗电 。比特币挖矿用的电确实也不少.同时也是这么多电支撑着比特币挖矿产业.不然不挖矿怎会有更多的比特币 你别激动啊。  |
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Local / 中文 (Chinese) / Re: 比特币网络的能耗到底有多大，给大家算算，亮瞎你的眼！！！
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on: August 09, 2014, 05:33:00 AM
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楼主怎么不去算算法币流通的成本？？
专用油墨的研发制造多少钱，专用纸浆多少钱，专用的磁条，金属线，专用的印钞厂，保安措施，摄像头，地价，人工永不停息的钞票防伪，这些多少钱？即便这样还有多少伪钞在流通，再还有运钞的车辆人员安保，银行要设置维护多少网点，多少人员，多少窗口，多少房子装修，多少摄像头，多少提款机，多少自动门，每天多少运钞车，每天多少人，多少遍的现金盘点？每天为了存钱取现，多少人要苦苦排队，还有多少围绕，存款取现的偷、盗、抢劫、杀人，刑侦审判，监狱等等等等等等等等。还能耗，耗你妹啊！！！！
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Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Ban bitcoin hardest in the future is more likely to be USA for the oil bitcoin
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on: August 09, 2014, 03:56:18 AM
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First of all, we pretty much have NO IDEA what you typed. Since you can't really type in a comprehensive fashion might I recommend you visit one of the foreign language sub forums on here?
Second of all, America will never ban bitcoin because they can't, it is a private protocol and we are by law allowed to have private items/organizations/companies/protocols/works/jobs/industries/etc... You don't know what you are talking about and I honestly recommend you do more reading about the U.S. before you come in here with your foreign opinion that makes no sense.
I'm sorry for my poor English and thank you for your frank reply.
Maybe the word "ban" is not proper, i just want to say America will limits and constraints the bitcoin from now on, because it has the capacity to replace the oil dollar, which is the core of the dollar's hegemony in the world.
At the same time, since America will have to face the challenge of rapid growth of China and bitcoin，they would have to make a painful choice between RMB rule all the world or bitcoin rule all the world finally, once the oil dollar can't continue.
No doubt the latter is more beneficial to them.
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Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Ban bitcoin hardest in the future is more likely to be USA for the oil bitcoin
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on: August 09, 2014, 03:23:09 AM
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seem to remember iraq and libya wanted to use something other than the dollar to trade oil
It's only a little piece of an huge cake in the whole oil business in the world. The main body of this cake is dollar. America will burn any oil producing country to the ground that considers not accepting the dollar for oil.. Maybe you are right now，but how about another 10 years ？ Since anyone who underestimated the speed of China's development in the past 10 years has to reflect on their own，does america can conquer China in next 10 years? It seems they ever tried in 1950，but failed. In my opinion, America will have to make a painful choice between RMB rule all the land or bitcoin rule all the land finally. |
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Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Ban bitcoin hardest in the future is more likely to be USA for the oil bitcoin
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on: August 08, 2014, 03:40:39 PM
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As we have know dollars, not any other currency, being used in Oil trading is the base of the dollar's hegemony in the world. But now, bitcoin might challenge it.
Recently, Kuwait-based investment banking and asset management firm Kuwait Financial Centre, released a new report (Disruptive Technology: Bitcoins, Currency Reinvented?) , also known as Markaz. Their research results show that : Oil producing countries, particularly in the GCC, could benefit if they would use bitcoin in oil trading, Markaz research department argues： http://www.gulf-times.com/eco.-bus.%20news/256/details/398622/kuwait-finance-firm-suggests-trading-oil-in-bitcoins
It is obvious that this report would lead to bitcoin would not rise within at least six months, and in the future, the hero who would ban the bitcoin most ruthlessly, is very likely to be America.
What I want to say is: this is a breaking news, which indicates that the development of bitcoin far beyond anyone's expectation, and even beyond the americans themselves', although they ever most highly anticipated it.
On one hand, if bitcoin could be used in oil trading, all oil producing countries, particularly in the GCC could benefit. At least they could no longer be ransacked by the devaluation of U.S. dollar. It goes without saying that the transaction costs could be reduced, transaction time could be greatly shortened also. But, the oil dollars, is absolutely the most important base of dollars, the foundation of the dollar's hegemony in the world. The USA won't ignor, much less let it go! Therefore, I think the recent decline of bitcoin is likely to have a close relationship with the news. In this sense, baning bitcoin hardest in the futher, probably not China, is likely to be USA.
On the other hand, it is also an ultimate approval to the value of bitcoin. It is not a simple combination of the 0 and 1, but the most important currency in witch we can do large-scale, long-term, stable exchange with the most important resources in the world.
Of course, America would understand the whole situation later or finally, so the price of bitcion will not crash .
The key is that the world could not go back to the past. Bitcoin has so much currency value can even be used in oil trading that it can not be destroy by any institution. Even if some political powers can go with other central banks together to kill bitcoin, the world would not go back to yesterday. The world will not return to the past: dollar rule all the land, other currencies just kneeling lick. In fact, many currencies, even including the yen and the euro, are going to get a spin, not to mention the limelight strong RMB.
If they kill the bitcoin, the future would be likely to be RMB's world. With the rapid development of economy China, oil RMB will see within ten years, maybe even in 6-7 years. Therefore, I believe that Americans will understand this situation that the decline of the dollar is almost inevitable, and finally they will have to make a painful choice between RMB rule all the land or bitcoin rule all the land. No doubt the latter is more beneficial to them, because this game they do have plaied as early as 5 years ago, while most of other countries, other agencies are still hesitant until this year.
So, if the final choice is bitcoin rule all the land, it would be pretty unwise to suppress the bitcoin now, because it can only lower the threshold of entering the game, and result in others benefiting. Drive the prices of bitcoin to raise the bar of this game should be more desirable, because everyone will have to play it in the near futher.
At last, to americans, I think they will understand this sooner or later, to other countries, organizations and individuals, I believe they just need to took the last opportunity to collect the chips ASAP, before the Americans wake up finally, and he price will fall first but most always rise.
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