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121  Economy / Securities / Re: TYGRR.* assets on GLBSE delisted. on: October 03, 2012, 11:02:44 PM
This is mostly true, but as a cheap loan it is not without significant risk.  If difficulty stays even or goes down it becomes not so cheap a loan.
That's only really likely to happen if the value of Bitcoins also plummets, in which case it's still a pretty cheap loan.
122  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [ANN] Stratum mining protocol - ASIC ready on: October 03, 2012, 10:00:40 PM
1. The major architectural reason for not including share target into the job broadcast message is: Share target is NOT a part of job definition ;-). Value of target is not related to the job itself, but it is bounded to connection/worker and it's hashrate. Also the difficulty can technically change at any time, not necessary during new job broadcast. For example my retargeting algorithm (not on production server yet) is sending set_difficulty immediately when pool detects dangerous overflooding by the miner just to stop the flood without sending him new job, because jobs are generated pool-wide in some predefined interval.

Yes. That's the problem. Suppose that the pool sends out a difficulty change, and then - at the same time - the miner submits a share, so that the two messages cross on the wire. What difficulty applies to that share? The pool and the miner have completely different views on this. In fact, pretty much the only safe time to change difficulty is when you're sending out a new item of work, because otherwise there's no way for the miner and the pool to prove to each other that a given share was meant to have a particular difficulty associated with it.

(The whole "every miner gets the same message" thing is unfortunate too. From what I can tell it makes it impossible to create a Stratum proxy that distributes work to several different upstream servers.)
123  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Cairnsmore1 - Quad XC6SLX150 Board on: October 03, 2012, 07:30:52 PM
Anyone know if the usual suspects, mokokam, is producing a +220MHs bitstream? I am all 220MHs with <0.5% error rates
I'm actually testing one out now that has a higher maximum cap. Thoroughly voids your warranty of course, as LazyOtto pointed out.
124  Other / Meta / Re: It might be time to rethink the whole "local thread rules" idea. on: October 03, 2012, 03:43:50 PM
Local rules of that sort should be a red flag to potential investors.
They should be, yes. Not everyone's going to realise that, and since he's banned everyone who's likely to point this out from commenting in his threads they're going to carry on not realising that. Then there's the small issue that investors aren't in fact rational (no-one is) and creating an environment where all the comments are positive is a really good way of convincing people to rationalise away their doubts.

Also, since it's a red flag and not proof positive of scamming, anyone who did point it out could expect the usual cavalcade of comments about how they have no evidence, they're trolling, they should shut up... Remember what happened with Pirate?
125  Other / Meta / It might be time to rethink the whole "local thread rules" idea. on: October 03, 2012, 02:40:06 PM
I kind of predicted this when Theymos originally offered to allow thread starters to set local rules which the moderators would enforce, but they've basically turned into a scammer's dream. Usagi in particular is making good use of them to ban anyone who points out the myriad ways in which he's screwing over investors and lying about the values of his underlying assets from his threads. In particular, he's banned everyone who's pointed out how badly his planned trade-in scheme would screw over investors from his latest thread trying to convince people to take him up on it, so that he can screw them over without the inconvenience of comments pointing out the holes in his claims.

Unless we want the forum moderation team to help scammers swindle suckers out of Bitcoins, it might be a good idea to rethink what kind of rules people can set in their threads.

Also, I notice Usagi claims to have spoken to theymos personally about setting these kinds of local rules and got his agreement on it:

EDIT: to avoid a seperate post please clarify this.  You repeatedly refer to "local rules" which allow a thread-starter to choose who may post and what content they may post.  Can you PLEASE point me to some official FAQ or guidelines post giving any validity to such "local rules"?  I honestly can't find one - but will happily stick to local rules if (and only if) such official guidance exists.  If no such guidance exists then please don't waste your virtual ink in the future referring to such meaningless "local rules" again.

I spoke with Theymos directly on this. I can only advise you that you probably don't want to break local rules too often. No I can't point you to a FAQ. I'm unaware of where local rules are described.
126  Economy / Securities / Re: TYGRR.* assets on GLBSE delisted. on: October 03, 2012, 11:45:26 AM
2) The problem with this solution is that that's just another unilateral imposition of a broken redemption scheme on Goat, just a slightly less broken one. It still causes substantially the same problems. Two people can still come to Goat with possession of the same private key. Goat still has to decide whether to redeem twice or once. If twice, he's still getting massive liability crammed down his throat that he never agreed to accept. If once, then he's still taking the risk of being branded a scammer if Nefario issues the same code to two people, and he'll never even know whether it was Nefario or the claimant is lying. (Consider the same scenario as in 1 above.)
Actually it solves nearly all of the fraud problems from Goat's perspective, I think, so long as the list of addresses and amounts is made public by Nefario. If Goat checks the signature on and keeps all the signed messages transferring ownership, he can easily prove that someone with the appropriate private key did redeem the shares and there's no way for him to fake this himself. It doesn't really matter to him whether Nefario or the claimant is trying to scam him, especially since Nefario could do the exact same thing with normal shares listed on GLBSE.

(Really this needs full-blown distributed timestamping and a public record of transfers in order to prevent certain kinds of fraud between stockholders when transferring shares, but that's a lot more complicated to achieve.)
127  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Usagi: falsifying NAVs, manipulating share prices and misleading investors. on: September 30, 2012, 09:14:52 AM
I think we can add "hiding the evidence" and "trying to extort investors into harassing the forum moderators to get his critics banned" to that:


Fine.

You asked for it, you really did. No more weekly letters to shareholders. No more updating online spreadsheets. I remain here to answer your e-mail. But I will only speak to shareholders, potential investors, or forum mods in PM (or when requested in public). You must obtain a signed letter of holding from Nefario as a shareholder, or pay a deposit into escrow if you are a potential investor. I really do not care if you decide not to invest with me as a result of this decision. If you are so lazy that you cannot be bothered to contact me then I do not want you as an investor of NYAN. Game over, trolls. I win.

(Of course, NYAN will continue to publish a spreadsheet, once a week or when dividends are paid. Enjoy.)

I will reverse this decision when Puppet, Deprived and EskimoBob are either banned from the forums, or recieve a scammer tag. If you wish this to happen, please petition against them in the Scam Accusations forum. Have a nice day. MPOE-PR should also probably be banned.

Surely that goes beyond mere scammer-tag territory?
128  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Re: Butterfly Labs CEO 25 Million USD Mail Fraud — A Concise Summary of Evidence on: September 29, 2012, 10:22:16 PM
In addition to whats already been said, they are small in size, automatic plug and play, requires no knwoledge from the user when working with intelligent mining software, cost much less electricity to hash, and very quiet in comparison to any other mining hardware I know of.

I'd never go back to GPU, much like I wouldnt go back to CPU from GPU.

I would say BFL Singles are indeed revolutionary in many ways.
They kinda suck in the "plug and play" department too from what I can tell; apparently you either have to keep trying to flash different speeds of firmware on them until you get one that works acceptably well, or run a really slow program that does it for you and then have to do it again once the weather warms up. As grotty as the interface is on Ztex's kit, at least it has automatic speed control. (Originally they didn't even have that option, leaving some early adopters in warmer areas cursing and desperately trying to get more cooling to they actually ran reliably.)
129  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Swiss University jumps into mining game (82.130.102.160) on: September 28, 2012, 06:43:05 PM
On the question of is it possible, yes it is theoretically possible to see a block submitted to the network and then publish that block quickly from a highly connected node and it will look like it came from you. So maybe that's what they are doing here.
Almost certainly. I've decompiled the Python code in snoopy.tar.bz2 from that web server and that appears to be exactly what it's doing.
130  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Peer 82.130.xx.xx connected to me 3 times, sending constant pings? on: September 28, 2012, 06:16:34 PM
Ah ok, Snoopy:0.1 Smiley

this really seems to be something custom, also note that most of them (the Snoopy:0.1) have 0 blocks. Huh
There's a download on http://82.130.102.160/ called snoopy.tar.bz2. Appears to be a Python program bundled into a binary. Hmmmm.
131  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Re: Butterfly Labs CEO 25 Million USD Mail Fraud — A Concise Summary of Evidence on: September 27, 2012, 11:24:16 PM
Yeah, if BFL had only produced some revolutionary products already, it would lead some more credence to the whole venture.

Revolutionary? You built a Bitcoin mining FPGA board using an off-the-shelf FPGA, and screwed up your power estimates so it didn't even work the first time round. That's hardly revolutionary. I don't think you were even the first on the market; certainly other development teams (including the one I was bashing on bitstreams for a bit) were ahead of you, seeing as they had actually tested their bitstreams on actual hardware and confirmed they could get the performance they were claiming - rather than making bullshit claims and failing to correct them well after they realised they were impossibe.
132  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Nefario GLBSE on: September 26, 2012, 02:00:48 PM
The offer to convert (and note it was an offer, NOT a promise or contract!) was made weeks later, and the retraction within a day or less as GLBSE Real owners challenged Nefario's ability to convert without approval of the majority of shareholders, which by all indications was not going to be forthcoming.
That's not how I remember it. From what I recall, the offer was made within days and I don't remember seeing any retraction, or anyone else mentioning any retraction, or... In fact, as recently as May this year Nefario was giving the impression that they were still worth shares in GLBSE, it's just that GLBSE shares weren't actually worth a huge amount each:

Nefario also said a long time ago that despite the asset being fake, he would honour it with shares in GLBSE. I thought it set a bad precedent at the time, given that I had always wanted to invest in GLBSE, but couldn't because it's not public, and I had taken the time to check the signature on the fake asset and realise that it was fake. Nefario's announcement to honour the fake asset meant he was rewarding those who didn't do their homework.

I don't know if you remember at the time, but there was uproar, and I had partially felt responsible, I thought I should have reserved the ticker for GLBSE use only but did not.

Anyway, GLBSE is not a publicly listed asset, and I would advise anyone trading them to not spend much, they're not worth a lot (i.e. there are a lot of non-fake shares for GLBSE making these a tiny tiny tiny fraction, also GLBSE is not worth over $1Billion USD).

But you did say you would take them over and they would be valid. Are their any plans for them in the near future?

Thanks

No plans.
133  Economy / Securities / Re: <nefario> [Pirate assets] are not listed or traded anymore on: September 26, 2012, 01:36:33 PM
And, well...I've ponied up some time ago to trade at MPEx. I use a command line client, so I really don't give a rats ass if he's selling porn. The interface assures me that if necessary, the web interface can be pulled. It's considerably more secure than anything else I've seen in bitcoin.
The original version of GLBSE used a command line client and private key authentication. Nefario changed it to the web interface that exists now because having to mess around with the command line actually made it unusable to most people.
134  Economy / Speculation / Re: The Great Silk Road Crash of 20** ...? on: September 25, 2012, 04:57:23 PM
He is talking trolling about embedded images that are server-side. Even if this is possible somehow (I doubt it) then the server will fetch the image using Tor network and our "genius" will see Tor exit node's IP address in his logs. His posts at the end sound hillarious. How can someone know about all this stuff and have completely wrong understanding even in the basics? Maybe he is a so called "white hat" who just finished 5 year training in computer security?
Not necessarily. Unless the website software is specifically coded to use Tor for its own requests it'll send them over the open internet - and since the site will appear to work fine even if the admin screws this up, there's a good chance that some Tor hidden services are actually misconfigured in this way. (Setting up a Tor hidden service that forwards to the webserver and making sure the webserver itself sends out its requests over Tor are totally independent of each other.)

Now, it's possible to set up your server so that the software running your hidden services can't access the internet except over Tor, but it's fairly non-trivial. The easiest method involves obscure iptables matching rules.
135  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Nefario GLBSE on: September 24, 2012, 10:25:07 PM
Question...  What would Nefario have gained by a deliberate lie?
He gained not having to pay back the people who bought "GLBSE" shares on his exchange as a result of his screw-up. He also gained transaction fees on the GLBSE asset. (Also, the trust of the community by virtue of "doing the right thing", which would make it rather appropriate if he lost that trust again after it turned out he couldn't actually fulfil his generous offer.)

Arguably you're asking the wrong question though. Perhaps what you should be asking is what others lost as a result of his actions - how much direct financial loss did Goat and the other holders of "GLBSE" suffer as a result of sinking Bitcoins into something that turned out to be worth far less than he claimed.

136  Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] Nyancat Financial: Your Friend for Life on: September 24, 2012, 08:00:57 PM
Step 1. Buy a FPGA single for 55 BTC.
Step 2. Make 0.25 BTC a day. That's 1.75 BTC per week.
Step 3. Pay out 2% and keep 1% for yourself
Step 4. Don't include hardware depreciation costs in your accounts.
Step 5. "Profit".

Everyone here should know by know about the dodgy accounting that tends to surround everything Bitcoin, surely?

What!? I do not like what I am reading.
You can not TRANSFER stuff out from portfolio B to to portfolio A just so you can cover up the mistakes you made in A.
NYAN.* are effectively a kind of tranched security. Remember how that worked out for all those holders of CDOs in the non-Bitcoin world?
137  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Quad XC6SLX150 Board - Initial Price £400/$640/520€ on: September 23, 2012, 09:39:30 PM
Glasswalker,

Why should I use the hashvoodoo bitstream over Makomk's bitstream?
Well, I'm not really going to encourage anyone to use mine on new boards going forward - bitstreams without dynamic clocking are probably unnecessarily risky now we have one that actually supports it. Aside from that, some people have been seeing a speed increase I think, particularly on more difficult older boards? Your mileage may vary.
138  Other / Off-topic / Re: BFL SC Die Guestimation/Speculation on: September 23, 2012, 03:19:35 PM
Standard-cell ASICs and synthesis-flow ASICs are not considered full-custom chips.

The phrase "fully custom" is a BFL-ism that sounds a lot like "truthiness" Smiley  In fact the third google hit for "fully custom asic" on the entire interweb is BFL which ought to be a hint that it is a contortion of the usual industry terminology...
I've pointed this out to Inaba too. He also claimed that the fact bASIC had said they were using cell-based ASICs meant that they were using structured ASICs and wouldn't be able to compete with BFL's chips on power efficiency. I'm fairly sure that's wrong?
139  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Nefario GLBSE on: September 23, 2012, 11:40:06 AM
Goat has thus far refused to communicate with me, so I'm going to go ahead and post my thoughts based on the available information.

I don't think Nefario is a scammer.

If Nefario were to honor those shares, he would be in breach of contract with the shareholders. He cannot issue new shares, nor can new shareholders be brought in without a vote from existing shareholders. Giving him a scammer tag for not doing something he legally can't do is not ethical or logical.
At the time he made that promise, he either knew or should have known that he couldn't keep it based on his existing contractual obligations. He made it anyway. He and others profited from that false statement, whilst people like Goat who had no reason to believe that Nefario wouldn't fulfil the promise he had made - because unlike Nefario they didn't have any way of knowing about the contract stating he couldn't - have lost money.
140  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin is a Zero-Sum Game - Long-term interest bearing instruments viable? on: September 23, 2012, 10:55:39 AM
Simply holding resources will generally be a bad investment in a deflationary economy. And that is a good scenario. It means the resource hoarders will stay away from the market, and the price will keep going down to the point where those who actually see a way to improve on the resource find a viable way to do so. In your scenario where the rent is worth 200 BTC the price of the building simply wont be 10.000 BTC. Rational market agents will see that as a losing investment and stay away from the market. That means the price will go down to the point where it actually becomes viable to buy it and rent it out for 200 BTC (and most likely add some value by improvements to the asset).
Oh dear. I think we have a slight problem here.

A number of people have argued that, by incentivising people to just sit on their money, deflation rewards people who abstain from consuming resources. That may be true; unfortunately it doesn't reward anyone for conserving the resources the eager savers haven't used. In fact, it's probably best for anyone holding them to do something with them quickly, before deflation eats into their value too much. So a few years down the line, when people start trying to exchange their paper profits from deflation for actual things, the resources simply won't be there to do it at any reasonable price. Suddenly we've got price inflation in a system designed to be deflationary, except that the size of the total money supply hasn't changed... I'm pretty sure that can't be good.

Which will very quickly lead to economic growth, higher demand and thus normal prices.

In simple terms: If electricity prices are 0 I will build a factory taking advantage of that and grow the economy.
If energy prices are normal or high my additional factory would increase energy prices beyond the breaking point and I or another factory would fail.
There are of course additional costs associated with building and operating a factory - if it didn't make sense with existing electricity prices, chances are it doesn't make sense at prices near zero. In practice, what actually happens in cases of oversupply is that some of the suppliers go bankrupt and lose their investors' money, reducing the overall profit from the industry.
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