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721  Economy / Gambling / Re: New doman everybodyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy on: August 01, 2011, 02:03:11 PM
I wonder why they didn't let anyone know they were changing domains?
Probably politics - the forums have meant to be moving to a new domain for months now and it's hardly a big secret. If you'd been following #bitcoin-dev on IRC you'd almost certainly have heard about it, probably repeatedly.
722  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: MtGox btc price > 1.3 million per bitcoin on: August 01, 2011, 09:29:14 AM
If nothing else, this Mt Gox bug allowed me to sell bitcoins at way above the recent average price.  The trades were not wound back.  Bots reacted to the erroneous price and raised their bids, allowing human traders to take advantage.  Just one of the dangers of letting bots roam free.
Of letting them roam free on an unregulated marketplace that can give completely bogus pricing information and has no rules on how to handle this, anyway.
723  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Would killing the minimum wage help? on: July 30, 2011, 08:17:48 PM
This just creates incentive for consumers to find unbiased news sources, and for news sources to be unbiased. Of course, the flaw here is that the people have to know they need unbiased sources, which puts incentive on the both news sources and the consumers of the news sources, to get the word out.
The problem is that all the problems with obtaining accurate information in general also apply to obtaining accurate information about the bias of news sources. If your source of news falsely tells you that the other news sources are less trustworthy and the people around you agree, how do you know this is wrong? What's more, if they're good they can create social pressure to trust that news source and emotional investment in it to the point that evidence they're unreliable is just rationalised away by their followers. (Usual rationalization: "All the other news organisations must be just as biased, so I may as well stick with the one that's just been proven to lie through their teeth".)

Bigotry is another issue entirely, and IMO, a self correcting one. If indeed the brown guy has better qualifications than the white guy, then the bigot is setting himself up to fail to his competitor, who hires based on qualifications, not skin color or accent.
That's one of the evils thing about bigotry: it isn't self-correcting like that. In most circumstances it's not just important to hire someone that's well-qualified but someone who's perceived to be well-qualified by others, so ignoring race and hiring the most well-qualified person is potentially setting yourself up to fail.
724  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: TradeHill - Why we no longer accept Dwolla and an open letter to Ben Milne on: July 30, 2011, 07:32:05 PM
Now suppose Mallory manages to get her hand on Alice's cash (either by stealing her purse or breaking into her house by installing malicious software on Alice's house alarm system) and sends Alice's cash to a big company called ABCDEFG, then exchanges it for illegal currency (for it's easily-laundered) called bitcoins. What a tragedy... This is why the next phase of fiat money fiasco will be a transformation to coupons with owner's birth certificate serial numbers engraved. This will (eventually) solve the money laundering problem.
Alternatively, Alice could only keep a small, safe amount of money in cash at once and store the rest of her money in an organisation that's capable of securing it more effectively and lets her withdraw it as she needs it. We might call this hypothetical organisation a "bank".
725  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Would killing the minimum wage help? on: July 30, 2011, 06:38:29 PM
Well, some well-reasoned and logical responses.
In the first instance, you're right, communication does indeed pose a problem, and does even now. However, in the market, when one party is injured, it's not just them that stop dealing with the inuring party. Word of mouth is a pretty powerful force, especially in a small community. The world is getting smaller, and information only has to go through 5 or six hops to get all the way around the world.
Information can spread very quickly, yes - the trouble is that it's not necessarily accurate or truthful information. Have you ever heard the saying "A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes"? In order for this to work the way you'd hope, each person would have to have the ability and time to personally verify the information they receive - and even that might not be enough due to social pressure to ignore contradictory facts. Worse still, if someone owns a significant chunk of the media they can and do direct this social pressure.

Imagine what it would be like in an even more connected world. Piss off the wrong people, and you're penniless.
That's the problem with your idea. It's not doing something immoral that leads to you being penniless, it's crossing the wrong person. Could be that you kicked up too much of a fuss about them scamming you or robbing you or raping you or beating you up. So long as the influential evildoers stick to doing it to people with much less social influence then themselves, they can essentially get away with it - crossing them carries too much risk and those with the influence to damage them have no incentive to do so.

In the second one, What you've described is essentially the enforcement mechanism in an AnCap society. Unemployment would only come to those with truly nothing to offer, and for those few unfortunates, charities, or more likely employers who are willing to train, would take care of them. Shunning, excluding someone from interactions, would only come as a result of failing to enter arbitration. So while death by starvation is possible, it's not likely to come from simple unemployment.
That would require the way people think to change in ways that, frankly, are probably never going to happen. Currently whether someone's seen as having "nothing to offer" is determined by extraneous factors like skin colour, gender, class markers, etc, and while attempts to get some of these factors ignored have met with limited sucess no-one's managed to shake off this kind of thinking.
726  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official Open Source FPGA Bitcoin Miner (Smaller Devices Now Supported!) on: July 30, 2011, 04:00:48 PM
Hmm ... that change doesn't seem like it should have any impact; ISE should be able to figure out that cur_w0 is rx_input[31:0] there unless I missed something.
It might for LOOP_LOG2=0, but it doesn't appear to for LOOP_LOG2=1. I've no idea why it doesn't; perhaps it doesn't know to make that particular optimization.

Was the timing analyzer pointing that out as being the trouble maker?
The timing analyzer was pointing to a long chain of logic, but it did indeed include an unnecessary mux between w0_fb and rx_input[31:0] feeding into the computation of the initial value of t1_part. Replacing that with a direct reference to rx_input[31:0] resulted in it reaching timing closure at 100MHz. (Again: this is all with LOOP_LOG2=1)
727  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BitLaundry re-opens with exciting new security features you can't see! on: July 30, 2011, 03:06:33 PM
Mike,
I just listened to your interview on AgoristRadio, which was fun. A question for you:  something that would be useful--nay, essential--in a laundering service is the assurance that one will receive new coins and not receive back any of the same coins of the original lot.

Not any not one!  Agreed?
Are you sure that's a good idea? Under some circumstances surely it'd be possible to match large incoming transactions with outgoing ones by the fact they have no coins in common. (Edit: In fact, this attack would probably work quite well against flows of smaller transactions too.)
728  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official Open Source FPGA Bitcoin Miner (Smaller Devices Now Supported!) on: July 29, 2011, 01:32:19 PM
Finally got a set of modifications to the K_next lookup that ISE likes! It reported 100 MHz at LOOP_LOG2=1 on XC6SLX75 and I've sent a pull request to fpgaminer. Looks like it might be a bit hit and miss as to whether it meets timing though, since the next run failed with an actual period of 10.412ns rather than the required 10ns.

Edit: Might help if I actually linked to it. It's in the projects/LX150_makomk_Test dir of the xilinx-better-k-for-merge branch
Edit 2: Now it's consistently getting 10.412ns *sigh*.
Edit 3: Trivial fix for this - in addition to using that branch, find the line:
Code:
.rx_t1_part(feedback ? t1_part_fb : (rx_state[`IDX(7)] + cur_w0 + K))
Amend it to read:
Code:
.rx_t1_part(feedback ? t1_part_fb : (rx_state[`IDX(7)] + rx_input[31:0] + K))
You should now be able to achieve 100MHz (50MHash/sec) on the XC6SLX75, at least in theory. It's late and I need to sleep so this isn't committed anywhere yet.
729  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Is this all just one big joke? on: July 29, 2011, 10:13:23 AM
Ahhhh..  I seeeee...  I didn't know that Gox was not originally a bitcoin site.  Wasn't there like, millions of dollars changing hands every day on Gox though?  In the embarrassing video they posted, the whole thing looked like a 2-man operation in some apartment.  I would like to think that today things are a bit more secure than they were. 
Yep. Over 90% of the total volume of Bitcoin currency exchange was through Mt Gox, so they were the site to go to if you needed to buy or sell large quantities of bitcoins.
730  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: TradeHill - Why we no longer accept Dwolla and an open letter to Ben Milne on: July 29, 2011, 09:15:51 AM
Say Alice wants to send money to Bob. She types his bank account number and bank code into her bank's online banking website, sends the funds. It's free. She has a regular account, so she pays somewhere around $5 per month for that and nothing per transaction. She could also opt for no monthly fee and $.25 per transaction, but since rent, utilities, insurance, groceries, etc. all goes through that account, she's better off with the former. So the transaction is free and it is non-reversible, once sent it can only be refunded by the payee. Sufficient funds are checked before the transfer is initiated by the bank.

Now when is this going to be a reality? Wow, this has been actually possible for the last 28 years! In a far away country called Germany. And even if you didn't own one of those fancy BTX terminals back in 1983, you could send money on a slip of paper, also free of charge or with a small fee. And what's a check (or cheque)? I've only once got one, in the late 1990s. It felt ancient.
Now suppose Mallory manages to get her hands on Alice's online banking credentials (either by phishing or by actively installing malicious software on Alice's computer) and sends Alice's money to a little company called Mt Gox without authorisation, then exchanges it for easily-laundered Bitcoins. This isn't an entirely hypothetical scenario; it's one of the reasons that Mt Gox's EU bank account was cancelled and they've been having problems accepting SEPA transfers.

Edit: If German bank transactions really are non-reversible that partly explains why there was such pressure to kick Mt Gox out, though their bank was in France and there are some interesting interactions with SEPA rules in that case. I suspect there's something important we're missing though.
731  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: TradeHill - Dwolla is being scammed and reversing transactions on: July 29, 2011, 12:14:22 AM
Watching Bruce's show from yesterday covering Dwolla's emails.

Their "answers" to his direct questions are downright despicable, and even the irrelevant garbage they are saying is dishonest.
Compare Bruce's argument that all they'd have to do would be to publish an e-mail they'd sent to Tradehill informing them about the transaction reversals with (a) their initial statement that they can't release details about specific customers or transactions and (b) Bruce's second e-mail to them. (It's revealing that they haven't quoted any concrete policy of informing customers about reversed transactions but unsurprising that they won't publish private e-mails.)

And their CEO thinks it's funny to mock Bitcoin investors? Who are making up almost his entire customer base.
Finally managed to find the actual article Bruce was referring to - that was a bit of a pain.

Edit:
How would it matter if there's a delivery of a product that's traceable? The claims in this case aren't that TradeHill didn't do what they said they were going to do, the claim is that the original transfer is unauthorized. The situation would be precisely the same if TradeHill had shipped them a physical product.
It matters because Tradehill were offering a service that had the equivalent of a big neon sign on it reading "ideal for laundering stolen money". Of course, they should've reacted by refusing to do business with Bitcoin marketplaces from the start.

Even if the physical product could be recovered, someone would still be out the costs of preparing, shipping, and restocking the product. There would still be the issue of whether Dwolla or TradeHill eats that loss. Dwolla can't afford to eat that loss on $0.25 per transaction. And TradeHill can't on .5% commissions. And there's always the chance the physical product couldn't be recovered.
The riskier fraud is and the harder it is to make money on it, the less likely it is to happen.
732  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: TradeHill - We now support deposits and withdrawals of funds via Paxum. on: July 28, 2011, 11:46:56 PM
They've confirmed with us that they have better fraud protection methods in place and this won't be a problem. If they are defrauded they won't pass it on to TradeHill.

Of course Dwolla told us this as well but Paxum has been in business a lot longer, done a lot more volume and faced a lot more fraud in the past and remained strong.
From what I can tell they've been in business about 3 months longer than Dwolla - Dwolla launched December 1st 2010 and I can't find any reference to Paxum older than September 2010 (their Alexa stats seem to pretty much confirm this). The company registration and website registration date to 2007 but they haven't been doing anything during that time that I can spot.
733  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Dwolla reversing transactions? on: July 28, 2011, 09:57:20 AM
Heh...'clawing back'?  I'm not sure I would be quite so charitable in my choice of words.  Defrauding someone else to make up for your losses could, I suppose, be characterized as 'clawing back', but I would not label it as 'successful' just yet.  I'll wait to see what comes out of the justice system first.(*)

...

(*) Does Tradehill, having some parts of their operations in Chile, have full access to the US justice system?  I don't know whether I hope so or not.  I choose Tradehill with some hope that the US justice system and it's other organs did not necessarily have full access to Tradehill.  ('Full access' in these days of 'war on terror' being a more encompassing term than it used to be.)
In theory, though the US justice system has a reputation for bias towards US businesses. Tradehill wouldn't be the most sympathetic plaintiff either: a shady-looking foreign company that's been profiting from laundering stolen money suing to try and push the losses from that stolen money being taken back onto someone else?
734  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official Open Source FPGA Bitcoin Miner (Smaller Devices Now Supported!) on: July 28, 2011, 08:08:59 AM
On another note - the 2engine design I let running finally finished, and failed.  It ran out of placement sites - said it was short like 1k FFs and 3k LUTs to implement the design - and this was before routing, so it may not even have been able to attain 100 MHz there.  I am running it again, but it may take 2-3 days again - but this time I've enabled some more aggressive optimizations in the Xilinx ISE.
Ah. If you look at the list of LUTs it couldn't place, you'll almost certainly find that they're adders with carry chains: there aren't enough suitable sites with fast carry hardware to place all of the 32-bit-wide adders contiguously. I got the same error trying to fit a fully unrolled engine onto a XC6SLX75.
735  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: TradeHill - Dwolla is being scammed and reversing transactions on: July 27, 2011, 11:28:40 PM
This might be a naive question - but since when are SEPA transfers reversable? (In case that you gave a correct and matching account name + account number.) I never heard nor have seen reversed SEPA transactions so far. Can you maybe elaborate on this?
They're not reversable if you, as the owner of the account being transferred from, gave a correct account number and name. They are reversable with certain restrictions if the original transfer request itself was made fraudulently, even after the funds have supposedly cleared. Mt Gox's problem was that phishers were carrying out fraudulent transfers from other people's accounts to Mt Gox.


Dwolla is aware of it. But if they can just reverse their payment, they have no incentive to do anything about it.
They can't do anything about it. Normally there'd either be a delivery of a product that's traceable or no way for someone to make large amounts of money from this and thus no incentive to do it, but due to the nature of Tradehill's business neither is true.
736  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: More crap to deal with - Dwolla Reverses TradeHill Transactions on: July 27, 2011, 10:53:00 PM
The problem is bitcoin is a hard currency, and any attempts to hook it up to the soft currency system (a.k.a. banks where almost everything can be charged back) means that there are going to be gaps created that people will take advantage.

This is an issue/problem with the current banking system, a lot of the fraud that happens today is only possible because of the current broken banking system.
There's actually no reason the banks couldn't create a system where transactions really are irreversable. The trouble is that no-one would want to use it: either they'd have to require all transactions to be made at branches after presenting proof of ID and paying a fee to cover the associated costs, or customers would have to accept that their account could be emptied out by crooks at any time for reasons beyond their control. There's no way they could swallow the cost of fraud otherwise.

It turns out that it's cheaper for everyone involved if they skip the really expensive security measures and just include a way to reverse transactions.
737  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Question! on: July 27, 2011, 10:25:24 PM
Because your bookmark is https.

Google bitcoin forum. Click the http:// link. If you set "remember me" when you logged it, you're on the forum, logged in, on http. The only way to get https is by going through a https link back to the forum.
Exactly - if you start on http, all the links are to the http version, and if you start on https all the links are https. Which has a more subtle but nasty security issue: even if you consistently view the forum over https, an active attacker that can modify your network requests can inject content into the next http page you view so that it causes a http request to the forum (for example an img tag referencing http://forum.bitcoin.org) and obtain your unencrypted cookie from that request. This is well within the capabilities of some Tor exit node owners.
738  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: First commercial ASIC miner specifications and pre-launch on: July 27, 2011, 10:17:49 PM
Which was why I was asking him what part did he used since I expected there would be at least two trip up. The first being unless there's some really super fast breakthrough Flash chip, it would be pretty much damning evidence regardless of his answer Cheesy
Aha - cunning!
739  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How do we get the women on board? on: July 27, 2011, 07:55:59 PM
It is my belief that the majority of bitcoin users are males. Females, please prove me wrong through the poll.

Moving on, assuming that my belief is correct, the question is how we get them on board?
In two words: less mysogyny.
740  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Would killing the minimum wage help? on: July 27, 2011, 06:42:12 PM
Who has more decision making power? 1 man with 5 billion dollars, or 6 billion people, each with 1 dollar?
The former, due to both the communication effort required for the 6 billion people to organise themselves and to information asymmetry. If there's some critical information required to make a decision, each of the 6 billion people either has to discover it themselves or trust someone else, and the latter hands power over to those they trust. The man with 5 billion dollars only has to discover it once, and can pay people to assist him which incentivises them to behave in a trustworthy fashion. It's the same reason that the SEC restricts some forms of investments to "accredited investors".


Oh, do shut up. How would this 'death penalty' be enforced without a State?
That's quite simple really. The market would ensure that those unable to support themselves financially would be unable to obtain food and would starve to death. (Of course, in practice this wouldn't work and state intervention would be required, but that's true of the market in general anyway.)
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