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2681  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|Markets Open on: November 26, 2014, 03:49:02 PM
LETS CLARIFY SOMETHING. THERE ARE NO FEES TO POST TO BITBAY MARKETPLACE.

Its FREE!

By the way fellas, lets vote for BitHalo here... BitBay is after all powered by Halo  Grin

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=873251.new#new

Wow. We're going to literally kill Ebay and other auction sites if there is no fee. Excited!

No middleman (paypal)
No fees
Fast transaction time
Anonymity

Much wow!

Voted.
2682  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|Markets Open on: November 26, 2014, 03:42:39 PM
Question? What will the Buyer/Seller fees be when using BitBay for decentralized marketplace. I assume there will have to be some kind of fee for management of Marketplace Servers and Software Updates. How will the BitBay Team profit from this in the long term? I as a potential investor need to see what the development teams incentives are to continue. I really like the idea here and believe it can be a complete success but nobody works for free. Ebay without any user fees equals no developer incentive.  

It can be free in a sense that you don't get charged untill your item gets sold OR yearly membership that allows you to sell as many items as you want OR 80% less fee than Ebay charges. I think that'll be discussed towards the end. It can't be 100% free forever. There might be promotion in the beginning that allows you to sell without fee.

There are lot of other things to be looked at before that. Fee structure can be set up easily once all other parts fit in.

Are you a spokesperson for BitBay? Either way I would like this to be answered better. It doesn't have to be exact but an idea of what the development team expects in the future for payment. Anyone with a task like this has to have an idea of what they expect to be paid. There is nothing wrong with this and in my opinion is important. If you work hard creating a product (The Decentralized Marketplace) you should be paid for it. We as investors or potential investors would be foolish not to want these answers now. It shows us these guys have a goal and what their reward will be if successful. "Builds Confidence"

I'm not sure how it makes a difference to an investor whether they charge a fee or not. It's totally up to them.

Either way I think someone from Bitbay team might be able to answer question. Right now everyone eyes are the on next thing that is going to launch (Smart contract).
2683  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|Markets Open on: November 26, 2014, 02:13:54 PM
Question? What will the Buyer/Seller fees be when using BitBay for decentralized marketplace. I assume there will have to be some kind of fee for management of Marketplace Servers and Software Updates. How will the BitBay Team profit from this in the long term? I as a potential investor need to see what the development teams incentives are to continue. I really like the idea here and believe it can be a complete success but nobody works for free. Ebay without any user fees equals no developer incentive.  

It can be free in a sense that you don't get charged untill your item gets sold OR yearly membership that allows you to sell as many items as you want OR 80% less fee than Ebay charges. I think that'll be discussed towards the end. It can't be 100% free forever. There might be promotion in the beginning that allows you to sell without fee.

There are lot of other things to be looked at before that. Fee structure can be set up easily once all other parts fit in.
2684  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|Markets Open on: November 26, 2014, 09:06:28 AM
if people always dump that will put those big investors off and i dont know about but you i need to see a return before risking more cash,i was sitting ok when it peaked over 300 but now not so much.

then don't risk more cash until you see something positive. It might be too late by then but whatever makes you happy. People who bought BTC during pump didn't make much profit compare to the ones who bought it was at 0.001. Something to keep in mind.

If you've seen the wallet video you should already have an idea of what's going to happen once it's being used in marketplace. There will be explosion and those who sees this will profit 5000% or even more. We're talking about same history that BTC created.
2685  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|Markets Open on: November 26, 2014, 05:44:38 AM

Wow. I'm speechless. It has to be the best looking and most professional looking wallet I've ever seen. Looks like everything is implemented inside the wallet which will make everything easy for selles/buyers.

2686  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|Markets Open on: November 25, 2014, 06:07:53 PM
time to invest maybe?

waiting on BTC to arrive to my trex account so I can buy more. Damn BTC is slow!!!! I transferred it half an hour ago and it's still showing pending.
2687  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: CoinSquare.io | Cryptocurrency Exchange | Trade in Bits | Best UI | Awesome Chat on: November 25, 2014, 04:23:54 PM
Good luck. Will keep an eye
2688  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|Markets Open on: November 25, 2014, 04:14:37 PM
Last chance to invest in BAY !


Hmm not really, though I do wonder if we get a big boost when the smart contract wallet comes out.

What is the expected time for the smart wallet?

I don't want boost but sad to say that the way price is looking it feels like someone is organizing a boost after wallet comes out. Personally, I would prefer if there is no boost and it rises organically. Can't wait for it to become undumpable and separates itself from whole p&d game.
2689  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|Markets Open on: November 25, 2014, 12:09:09 PM
that makes sense. I don't care if I receive it today or a month from now as long as I receive it.  

If person A is staking and it takes a month before he receives his reward. If he decides to sell his coins on day 29th. Would he still receive the reward on day 30th?

Unfortunately no.  Because the coin-age is 'destroyed' (Edit: better to say "reset" I suppose) in any transaction for the coins involved.  So whether they stake or you transfer them... they 'arrive' at their destination with a zero coin-age value. Sad

To answer the second part - there is no way to tell, but it actually is very fair considering the speed of the blocks and the fact that any coins that have staked are taken out of the equation for at least 8 hours.  There is more to the 'lottery' aspect (as far as who gets awarded a block).  My BC holdings are a fairly minor amount (of the total at least) but I still usually see some stake within 4-5 days or so.  AFAIK there are more active staking wallets in BC than in BAY... so should be even faster here, but hard to say for sure.

That was my main worry since Bay staking wallet isn't as active as BC. My BC is working fine and I don't do anything differently. I haven't received anything since 19th on Bay even though I leave it on for hours. It's syncing in timely manner though. Right now it says "Expected time to earn reward is 2 days". So, I guess I'll try to keep it on for as long as I can and check if anything changes in 2 days.

Thanks for answering my question regarding pos 2.0
2690  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|Markets Open on: November 25, 2014, 11:53:44 AM
As there seems to be some confusion about staking from some who may not have had experience with PoS coins (and particularly PoS 2.0 staking) here are my findings/research/etc. from BlackCoin which definitely apply (as it's the first PoS 2.0):

In a PoS 1.0 coin you 'banked' coin-age and weight... i.e. if you have 1M coins which stake at 1% per year and you wait one year before unlocking and staking that wallet (actually one year plus 8 hours or whatever the minimum age is set to)... you will receive 10K coins as your staking reward - plus any fees awarded for the block, same as you will now actually.  However the difference is that this will occur nearly instantaneously in PoS 1.0 because your coins will have a very large weight (somewhere around 365 million in fact).  The problem with this is that it would potentially allow for a smaller holding wallet to be more likely to craft a 51% attack because once this wallet comes online to stake it will have a significantly higher weight than anyone who has been staking all along - even if that other person has 10M coins in their wallet (since those coins will likely have staked within the past day or so the 'competing weight' will be 36 times less despite representing a coin-value of 10 times more).

That this compounded the already widely discussed issues of PoW/PoS hybrid coins and the 'nothing-at-stake' issue caused a need for improvement.

To solve this Pavel (rat4) adjusted staking (in PoS 2.0 - see whitepaper) so that weight disregards coin-age... so that means that while your award can be made artificially large in a single transaction by keeping a wallet offline, and all coins in a single transaction - that wallet will have no greater possibility for solving a block than a similar sized wallet which has been online the entire time.  So someone has next to no possibility to 'guess' when their blocks will occur, simply by remaining offline - thus next to no possibility to use that maliciously to fork the chain and potentially double-spend (and all the more reason to stay online helping to secure the blockchain 24/7).  Wink

What this means for a normal wallet holder is that your holdings are the only thing making it more likely that you will 'win' your stake.  Someone with 10M BAY which is all mature will have a 10X greater chance of getting the next block than someone with 1M BAY does... and that person will have a similarly greater chance than someone with 100K BAY has. However, rest assured that once your turn occurs... even if that takes a month... than your award will be the appropriate size (somewhere around 0.000027397 per coin - or 1% divided by 365).  If it takes a month then you'll get 30 times as much once awarded... but it won't be any more likely to solve the next block than it was on day 1.

I think the problem many people are encountering is that a ton of BAY are still on BTER (or Bittrex now).  So those that moved coins into their wallets earliest had a very high probability of staking quickly - since competition for the blocks was limited.  As more and more people move their coins into the wallet and off of the exchange - this will naturally make the time between block awards longer as well, since more people are in the 'lottery' in the first place.

It may seem like it sucks... but it's actually making for a much, much more secure blockchain (and you get basically the same amount... just more coins less often). Smiley

Ultimately it would be great (security-wise) to see distribution so wide that none of us would get more than a few staking awards per year... but we're at least a couple million wallets away from that situation. LOL!

If I've confused something or made a mistake, please post a correction - it's been a long day.  Undecided

Thanks. that makes sense. I don't care if I receive it today or a month from now as long as I receive it.  

If person A is staking and it takes a month before he receives his reward. If he decides to sell his coins on day 29th. Would he still receive the reward on day 30th? It sounds like there is no way to tell  how long you'll have to wait before receiving reward?



2691  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|Markets Open on: November 25, 2014, 10:21:54 AM
I'm not receiving stake rewards for past few days (ever since I updated my wallet). I've been unlocking my wallet every day and leaving it on for 6+ hours. Today it shows that my weight is less than what it was in the begining (when I first installed the wallet). It was showing 59k and today it's showing 14k.

Am I the only one who is having issue with stake after installing new wallet?  Huh

Solution would be nice.
solution: leave it open for staking longer than 6 hours, bam problem solved!

I don't think that's an issue here. It was staking fine before I updated the wallet and most of the time I left it online for no more than 2 hours but all of a sudden I stopped receiving rewards. Today my weight decreased than what it was yesterday. It should increase, right?

I've reinstalled the wallet with no luck. I'll keep it online and I hope it automatically fixes itself.

Maybe leave open for more than 6hours would have been more helpful. Unusual we upgraded to POS 2 as you may know, i believe your detailed answer is here bud 2min read http://www.blackcoin.co/blackcoin-pos-protocol-v2-whitepaper.pdf

Issue has been going on before POS 2.0 upgrade. I'm not sure..I hope it fixes itself. I wouldn't care if I received less but I've received none since 19th (wallet upgrade)
2692  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] DARKGOLD (X13) on: November 25, 2014, 10:18:03 AM
DarkGold?  Huh

ICO

More info coming soon.

no thanks
2693  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|Markets Open on: November 25, 2014, 08:17:37 AM
How many coins are unsold and burned by BTER after ICO? Does somebody know that?

Everything sold out. No coins left to burn after ICO.
2694  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|Markets Open on: November 25, 2014, 08:15:29 AM
I'm not receiving stake rewards for past few days (ever since I updated my wallet). I've been unlocking my wallet every day and leaving it on for 6+ hours. Today it shows that my weight is less than what it was in the begining (when I first installed the wallet). It was showing 59k and today it's showing 14k.

Am I the only one who is having issue with stake after installing new wallet?  Huh

Solution would be nice.
solution: leave it open for staking longer than 6 hours, bam problem solved!

I don't think that's an issue here. It was staking fine before I updated the wallet and most of the time I left it online for no more than 2 hours but all of a sudden I stopped receiving rewards. Today my weight decreased than what it was yesterday. It should increase, right?

I've reinstalled the wallet with no luck. I'll keep it online and I hope it automatically fixes itself.
2695  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|Markets Open on: November 25, 2014, 06:39:09 AM
I'm not receiving stake rewards for past few days (ever since I updated my wallet). I've been unlocking my wallet every day and leaving it on for 6+ hours. Today it shows that my weight is less than what it was in the begining (when I first installed the wallet). It was showing 59k and today it's showing 14k.

Am I the only one who is having issue with stake after installing new wallet?  Huh

Solution would be nice.
2696  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|Markets Open on: November 25, 2014, 05:42:09 AM
Whether it's $3 or 7 billion, it's still an awful lot of money to me and if BitBay would only make 1% of that amount it would be gigantic to me.
Plus I expect that the overhead costs will be way lower with BitBay.

+ Yup....this messed up thing is there is no real alternative for ebay for doing International business (alibaba is close but not quite the same)
i was trading my miners on Ebay i sold more then $ 10.000,00 of miners ended up paying more then $ 1.000,00 for just fees how sick is this? combine this with alot of fraud with Paypal/Ebay, the first party who introduces fair trading and also minimal fees has the potential for succeding in revenue 10 folds what Ebay does now. Ebay also damages international and fair trading, so with Bitbay we can repair the confidence and have more revenue..


I will never sell this coin.

wot  Huh

2697  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|Markets Open on: November 24, 2014, 05:42:40 PM
As demand rises...

I had to surgically extract this short little phrase out of your commentary being that for me it represents the elephant in the room right there.

I can see how the supply can be managed ok. It's the "as demand rises..." bit that seems to trip off everybody's a bit too easily. Where is that demand going to come from ? eBay has an operating income of over $3 billion dollars. Taking market share off them will be like pulling teeth because the nature of auction markets is such that the bigger the audience for your auction, the higher the price you can sell your stuff at.

Where's the "demand" half of the price equation going to come from for Bitbay markets ? How will people be encouraged to adopt ? I can only see 2 answers but I'm absolutely open to other suggestions if I've missed them:

[1] - create new markets which exclusively use Bitbay

[2] - get existing ones (like eBay & Alibaba) to adopt your coin as a currency and sell the idea that they can extend their platform feature set based on the coin's bockchain

In either case the offering must swing on features that users can't get elsewhere. What would those features be and what prevents a counterparty with huge infrastructure like eBay from implementing them ?

The basic appeal of a cryptocurrency is twofold:

 - you ditch the counterparty (banks)
 - you get your hands on unlevered base money (which you don't do with fiat money)

I can see one area where that appeal translates to bitbay - in attracting users who don't have access to bank accounts and therefore can't get registered on eBay. That's one clear, well delineated group of potential adopters. What are the others ?



Sellers go to Bitbay marketplace.
Buyers follow them.

No middleman (bank or paypal)

very simple.

Question should be. Why shouldn't they go to Bitbay marketplace?

As a past Ebay seller I refuse to use Ebay (in fact I can't remember last time I used it). Paypal holds your fund till buyer gets the shipment. You can't sell anything digital (like altcoins) on Ebay without risk. Buyer can file a claim and he'll get his money back + altcoins.

Main issue isn't that Ebay is huge...issue is that there is no competitor that's safer than Ebay until BITBAY shows up which is safer + it removes the middleman(paypal & credit card companies) No need to risk your bank account info just to purchase pair of heaphones from unknown seller. There are few vendors on Ebay who are big and trustworthy...you get them on Bitbay marketplace and you have all the attention..literally all buyers would start using it once they see that their FAVORITE seller is using different auction site. It's very straight forward idea if you have the money and connection all in right places.

In fact the only reason Paypal is in business is because it gives illusion of security (just type your username & password no need to share your bank account info). It refuses to tell you that they'll literally start taking money out of your bank account if their fees aren't paid. Not to mention everything is listed in t&c so you'll never win a case against them if you feel like you're being treated unfairly. Very ridiculous policy that grabs you by the balls until you get an email that says "your account has been changed to limited because you haven't added credit card to your account"

Lists of issue I've had with Paypal is ongoing and there are lot of people who're stuck to craiglist because they don't want to go through the headache.

Why are they stuck to craiglist? because no one wants to deal with middleman. It creates more complication during a transaction.

Anyways, My main point is that Bitbay has lot of potential if everything works out at the end. I don't see any reason why someone would prefer to use middleman when buying/selling.





2698  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|Markets Open on: November 24, 2014, 03:33:23 PM
I don't know if it would be too much timecomsuming, but I definitely would love to see a Google Hangout for BitBay every now and then.
Something I appreciated when I was involved in Vericoin.
Can this be accomplished?

I vote up on this.

I know team is busy with bitbay and the project but google hangout once every 2 weeks or once every month will be great!
2699  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|Markets Open on: November 24, 2014, 03:13:24 PM
I think Dev mentioned that he is trying to make it "undumpable" that would automatically attract more vendors including Ebay

Yea. I saw that.

What he's proposing to do is control the price by limiting the supply to market at any given moment.

The problem is, there are two components to the price equation and supply is only one of them. You don't create demand by limiting the supply - they are independent of each other. A peg needs to work from both sides of the price equation - much like the Bitshares model where a long and a short position are engaged in order to bring the currency into existence around a fixed reference rate to another currency.

All the same, this is the exact type of thing I'm interested in fleshing out. It's as vague as mud right now and could do with quite a bit of illumination.


I think what he is trying to do is control the supply. As demand rises he'll increase the supply. It's the only way to make sure that price doesn't jump around and becomes volatile. Demand can't be controlled per say because it comes from the market but if supply>demand then price will collapse. It makes sense economically & logically to keep supply restricted till demand is there.
2700  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|Markets Open on: November 24, 2014, 02:23:39 PM
But I agree most taper off after an early peak. So why would this be different? Because this coin unlike 95% of altcoins have no real world integration. Almost all alts are trying to become a standalone currency but very few are integrated into an actual business. Ultimately digital currency is to buy stuff and send value to individuals. So a trading platform that has a built in pegged currency is COMPLETELY different proposition that will increase in value IF the platform is used and proves popular. So I agree but you got to separate lone currencies and integrated currencies. They fact that it ticks all the boxes of what a decentralised marketplace is is incredibly hopeful. So many have scammed on the idea of a decentralised marketplace but this actually delivers the goods no pun intended.

How is that different from eBay are proposing to do with Bitcoin ?  <-- genuine technical question not FUD

I realise that Bitcion isn't pegged to a fiat reference but as far as an adoption proposition goes the criteria for buyers and vendors are exposure to huge markets rather than the technical subtelties of the currency they're using surely. Clearing houses like Bitpay just deal with the volatility for them.



I think Dev mentioned that he is trying to make it "undumpable" that would automatically attract more vendors including Ebay. Businesses who wants to accept crypto they don't want to deal with volatility and if Bitbay fixes that issue then lo & behold you're looking at something that can change how everyone look at crypto.

At the same time Bitbay is going to come up with their own decentralized marketplace and everything depends on how big that gets. If that thing becomes bigger than Ebay itself then everyone can say good bye to Ebay..it'll still exist but it'll become a lot smaller than what it is today.

It will literally kill paypal(majority of population hates them) and no fees!! Everyone is familiar with Ebay & Paypal and how they literally rob people with their fee structure and policy. It's going to be great.
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