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1221  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: BetCoin.ag closed account and stole around 1 BTC on: October 31, 2020, 07:32:14 PM
We look forward to having the opportunity share the enormous amount of evidence of fraud we have with any and all third party mediators. One would think that would be the best use of time for a legitimate player, rather than arguing in a forum, since if he is found legitimate, then he gets money. But he already knows the what the result will be.
1222  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: BetCoin.ag closed account and stole around 1 BTC on: October 31, 2020, 06:54:58 PM
i have some questions for you:
1. You are accusing this user of abuse by multiaccounting, can you please state what damage exactly was done to betcoin.ag in monetary terms. Has the user, and his multiaccounts, cause betcoin.ag to loose money?
2. The fact, that two or more accounts were partly funded by transactions coming from the same btc wallet address proves that the accounts in question are abusers and scammers?  So it is not allowed to fund different accounts in betcoin.ag from the same btc wallet?
3. Are all the bets placed in the accounts in question exactly the same?
4. What is the current balance of the OP's account? He claims it to be around 1 btc, is that true?
5. Is there other account mentioned in this thread,  the one you linked to the OP? If so, is there anything else to link them together apart from same btc wallet and similar/same bets?
I would really appreciate you answering these questions, as this would clear a lot of uncertainties in this interesting case. This would help the community to understand it better.
Thank you and take care.

Thank you, and these are important questions to ask. We have done our best to be as transparent as possible throughout this thread, and although some things we cannot share, we should be able to answer most of these for you.

Multi-accounting damages Betcoin and all sportsbook financially on a daily basis. This is why every single casino/sportsbook has a rule against it. There are many ways this can happen from abusing promos and bonuses, to circumventing betting limits, using banned technology (bots) to place bets and more. Exploiting casinos and sportsbooks is a full time job for many, and the reason we banned this player's region 2 years ago was because the volume of fraud exceeded the volume of legitimate players, considerably. That is not to say that he is abusive because of where he is from, however the pattern of creating multiple accounts to violate other TOS is the same. Based on this player's activity, we do believe he is a professional, winning player and the fact that he created 2 accounts certainly lends itself to the fact that he would create others. The problem in these situations is that the abusive players keep coming back, thinking they will be anonymous. We still have people who were banned 2 years ago who come back on a monthly basis. This is part of the reason we don't discuss these publicly, as the more people who are aware of how to exploit sportsbooks, the more will do it.

We spend many Bitcoin each year on fraud prevention technology and every time the abusers discover what we have, they come up with new ways around them. As mentioned earlier in this thread, we have banned approximately 500 abusive accounts this year. Through cooperation with some of these accounts, we have gained access to several Discord and Telegram groups with thousands of members, which specifically teach players how to cheat sites, including different methods of exploitation, how to make your region undetectable and how to fake your KYC documents. We learn a lot from these cheats, and just like them, we adapt our security as well.

He suggested that his account was banned because of the same bets and same Bitcoin wallet. Obviously, this does raise red flags, but it is just a part of a greater body of evidence that we have on these 2 players. As this player knows well and stated in the title of this thread, his account balance was about 1 BTC. He is playing dumb, but if you read through his posts, it's apparent he knows exactly what he is doing here. The bets aren't exactly the same, as 1 of the accounts was only active for 2 days, however the ones that are the same aren't UEFA Champions league, like he suggested.
If its a Champions League final day and Real and Barcelona are playing, "half of the planet" would bet Real and "the other half" Barcelona.
Would you claim they are multi accounting because they have "the same" bets ?
They are bets on very low tier matches where these 2 accounts accounted for 90%+ of the money on the entire match. And he will say that they shared information. Just like they shared a Bitcoin wallet and share the OP. But these little deceptions show that he is skewing the information in his favor. Just like he said we never replied to the other account's emails when in fact we did and the other account did not deny it.

1223  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: BetCoin.ag closed account and stole around 1 BTC on: October 31, 2020, 02:49:44 PM
A couple quick points of clarification...

We certainly did not delay his reporting the the mediator. We asked him to file a claim the first day this occurred. A week, and many forum posts later, he finally claimed that he filed the report. He says he does not know the amount, but there is an amount in the title of this thread. We told him we would provide all wager and balance details to the mediator, but "around 1 BTC" is certainly enough to get things started.

We still don't even know if the claim was filed, as we have not heard back from SBR. If it was, we will reply to them immediately with our proofs. In case "they don't reply", we welcome this player to file third party mediation with any other independent review panel. Some others that we are aware of are Casino.Guru and ThePogg.com. But he is welcome to pick his own, as long as they are legitimate. We will respond to 100 of these, if necessary, because the proof is so substantial that there is 0 chance we will lose.

Additionally, he says we only replied to one of the other account's emails. In the case of obvious multi-accounting, we don't feel a need to reply to every account individually. What he failed to mention, however is that when we did reply to the other player's email with what was posted:
"Hello, your account was permanently closed per our policies regarding fraud and multi-accounting..."

The other player's response was:
"Understand... so when i can expect withdraw?"

Not, "I deny these accusations"
But "Understand."

Is this alone enough to prove multi-accounting? Of course not.

More to come..
1224  Economy / Gambling / Re: ⭐BETCOIN.AG-NFL Handicapper Promo-2.65 BTC in Prizes-BTC, ETH, XRP, XMR Casino⭐ on: October 30, 2020, 02:03:28 PM
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In what has been some of the most exciting game play in League Of Legends this 2020 World Series, we’ve finally come to what will be the conclusion to the biggest eSports event this year. It’s been a long few weeks, but everything will wrap up Saturday, as we come into the Grand Final. There’s been many surprises, upsets, broken hearts and exciting victories as fans and gamers of all kinds have watched the event unfold, and we couldn’t be anymore excited to announce the Grand Final finalists. In what will be one of the most exciting Finals in League Of Legends, DAMWON Gaming will look to seek victory for the LCK over Suning Gaming representing the LPL. On October 31st at 6AM EST things will conclude as Koreas top team DAMWON gaming will look to claim victory over Chinas underdog story in Suning gaming. Let’s get into a quick recap and see how things paved way for our two finalists of the Worlds 2020.

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Suning Gaming is a team who came into this tournament still trying to find their identity as a team, and have more than less been the most surprising team to take the Grand Final stage. Suning gaming finished the LPL season with a horrendous 6-9 record which had left them in 10th place in the standings. As many of us, TOP eSports was the team everyone was looking to when it came to this finals match-up, but Suning had other plans in store. Suning has been a team who has progressed every game so far this tournament. Every team Suning has claimed victory over, were teams they completely could have lost to more times than less, but they have always found a way to overcome the impossible in these playoffs. In the semi-final, everyone whose anyone would have assumed it was the inevitable end of SN gaming, who had to defeat their biggest challenger yet in TOP eSports. In what was a magical turn of events, SN gaming had taken over the throne, and claimed a 3-1 series victory in what would come to be their biggest yet. With this victory, Suning will be coming into the Grand Final with all the momentum and confidence in the world and it may just be enough for them to do what many thought they could not, win Worlds.

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On the other side of things, DAMWON gaming is exactly where many though they’d be. As one of the favorites coming into this tournament, they’ve had a more challenging route to the Grand Stage than it would have appeared. Having claimed a 3-0 victory in their quarter-final match, things looked a bit interesting as they came into the semi-final against G2 gaming who’d previously upset them last year. Seeking revenge, DAMWON didn’t look back as they dominated the series in a 3-1 fashion and getting their much-needed revenge. Looking like a brand-new team, and playing some of their most dominate style of play yet, it’s no surprise DAMWON is headed the Grand Finale for a chance to claim one last victory in Worlds!

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As of now, the Grand Stage is set and the time has come for the Final! DAMWON and Suning will be one of the most exciting match-ups if not the most exciting match-up of Worlds. Both teams have shown their not afraid to back down as both have never feared heavily engaging in team battle. DAMWON, who’s looked absolutely miraculous when it’s come to adapting and overcoming obstacles, will come into this one as the clear favorite. Koreas best team is exactly that, the best of the two finals teams who remain. DAMWON is resilient in all aspects, and will look to finally claim a victory as the last remaining team in the LCK. As for Suning what can we say? This is a team that has shown that if you put your mind to something and practice, you can obtain anything. Suning has shown no fear as they’re playing some of the best League we’ve seen in a long time. As a true underdog this team is certainly not out of the question. When you think they may be out of the match, they prevail every time given the chance. If they can come into this match with the confidence and composure they’ve built up over the last few weeks, there is no reason to count them out and watch them become Worlds Champions.

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In conclusion, this will be one of the most exciting eSports finals in some time and the biggest of the year. If you’re not a fan of gaming, or simply a casual we can promise you this will be one entertaining event to tune into. With that said, DAMWON came into these playoffs as the clear favorite to win it all, and we’ll have to stick to that here. Suning has shown they can hang with the best, and even overcome the best, but it’s hard to see them finish the Cinderella run here. In what should be a amazing finale, DAMWON will take this series in what will be a sweat to the end and claim a 3-2 victory over Suning Gaming.

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1225  Economy / Gambling / Re: ⭐BETCOIN.AG-NFL Handicapper Promo-2.65 BTC in Prizes-BTC, ETH, XRP, XMR Casino⭐ on: October 29, 2020, 01:44:26 PM
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Note: For those unfamiliar with Cycling scoring, there are multiple categories with standings: General Classification, Points Classification, Mountains Classification, Young rider classification, and Team Classification. For this article, I’ll be focusing on the General Classification is that is who the overall winner is and how Betcoin will pay outright winners.
The Favorites:
Top Favorite: Primož Roglič (-182)
Primož Roglič is a Slovenian cyclist that is the defending champion. He was the pre-race favorite at +150 so he has had a good start as he is now sitting at -182. He has won the 1st and 8th stages but is still sitting in 2nd place, just 13 seconds behind the overall leader. He has won 2 of the stages outright which is why he is currently in 1st in the points classification which is based on standings for each individual stage rather than a cumulative time. With 10 stages to go he will have plenty of time to overtake the leader and win his 2nd consecutive Vuelta a Espana
2nd Favorite: Richard Carapaz (+200)
Richard Carapaz is an Ecuadorian cyclist that is also a major player on the cycling tour. He won his first grand tour in 2019, winning the Giro d'Italia. He’ll be looking for his first Vuelta a Espana and is in his best position to do so. Pre-race he was a +650 outright winner, and his built his way to an overall lead after 8 stages. He is yet to win a stage, so he’ll need to improve on that if he wants to keep his slim 13 second lead on Roglic.
3rd Favorite: Hugh John Carthy (+825)
Hugh John Carthy is a British Cyclist that is looking for his 1st grand tour. He currently finds himself in 4th place which would shatter his best performance at any other grand tour event. Like Carapaz, he is yet to win a stage, but still finds himself in a good position to win his 1st grand tour. He sits just 44 seconds behind 1st and with a few good stages, could see himself finally win a grand tour.
Prediction: Primož Roglič is definitely the deserved favorite as he is the defending champion and currently sits in 2nd place just a mere seconds behind the leader. In the points classification he is in 1st by a wide margin. He will use his experience here and find a way to win his 2nd grand tour here.

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1226  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: BetCoin.ag closed account and stole around 1 BTC on: October 29, 2020, 02:22:49 AM
How long the process of SBR mediation though? The reason why I'm asking is that maybe both parties should just wait for it instead of throwing words around. Someone already getting his attention here, so it might be better to wait for the mediation and then see how it goes.

We hope the process is swift and will be replying to all communication from SBR within 24 hours. They are well known as the authority in these cases and definitely impartial. We are prepared to share all our findings with them and comply with their decision, in full.

The least Betcoin must do is return the deposit. Considering the situation, I also think Betcoin.ag is forced and has the duty to give you for example a transaction history, with deposit hashes for example. Then we can soon find out what is deposited and what is withdrawn.

We understand that returning the deposit in many cases of multi-accounting is the industry standard and will be happy to do so if SBR decides that is appropriate. We do that on our own every day, however in this situation, we are able to prove that the multi-accounting was malicious to abuse the site's other TOS. Based on our evidence, we feel there is 0 chance that this player will be eligible to receive any winnings. In cases of obvious fraud, this is the rare time to seize the deposit, as it is the only thing that disincentivizes the player to return. Imagine being a cheating player and knowing that you can continue to return via VPN on as many accounts as you wish and the worst that will happen is you will get your deposit back.  

Deposit? ok, losing? ok, winning? hmmmm..., withdraw? "there is a problem with your account"

This player was ineligible to play at Betcoin from the moment he signed up, using a VPN to circumvent our ban of players from his region. We weren't sitting back collecting deposits from him, waiting for him to finally win. However, like all sites that don't require KYC, we do not review an account until a withdrawal is requested. In this case, based on the initial review, he received his first withdrawal without issue. Had we been aware of his wrongdoings prior to this, we would have shut him down on the first withdrawal. After that withdrawal, however, we were able to use our fraud detection tools to determine that he had knowingly cheated the site.

We understand that in these cases, the benefit of the doubt can go to the player. Especially, since we are unable to share publicly the overwhelming evidence against him. The reason for this is that when dishonest players discover our tools to recognize fraud, they move on to new ways to cheat the system. We have invested heavily in these tools, as we get roughly 500 fraudulent players each year. If any of these accounts dispute their resolution, we encourage them to seek 3rd party mediation. In the last 4 years, we have had 0 rulings against us by independent 3rd parties. It is simply not in our best interest to hold this player's nominal winnings when we know going into it that we will have to defend ourselves in the public forum. Taking on this player in the public eye, we assume all the risk.

We have many players each day placing individual bets which are more than double the size of this player's total account balance. We love winners, and like all casinos, we love to promote our big winners, as it lends to our legitimacy and attracts new players. We kindly ask that you allow the process to take its course here and we strongly believe that we will end up on that right side of things. Thanks again to all, and we hope to resolve this matter as soon as possible.
1227  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: BetCoin.ag closed account and stole around 1 BTC on: October 28, 2020, 09:38:56 PM
The mediator will have full access to all account information, including balance, wager and login activity.
1228  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: BetCoin.ag closed account and stole around 1 BTC on: October 28, 2020, 09:22:56 PM
The bookmakers always act like they own this world... now trying to own the crypto world also...

the fact that btc deposits to different betcoin.ag accounts came from same btc wallet can not be a proof of anything illegal !!! otherwise we are doomed ...

i dont like how betcoin.ag representative handles this case.. why doesnt he answer straight questions?

Hello, we are happy to answer any questions the community has regarding this matter that don't directly affect the investigation. We are in this thread for that reason. Our business with the player, however, has concluded and any communication with him will be dealt with through the third party mediator.

As mentioned, we have sufficient evidence that this player has maliciously violated multiple terms of service. We have been trying to resolve this matter for a week, when we provided the information to the player to file a claim. Instead of filing a claim, he has spent his time on forums. If he does file the claim, we will share our evidence with the mediator and we are confident they will decide in our favor. If not, we will gladly take their advice regarding a resolution.

We pay out many larger payouts than this each day. We have no absolutely reason to withhold legitimately earned winnings. This isn't an ambiguous case, but clear-cut abuse. We are taking the hard way out by refusing to give into his threats to post in the forums. The reason for this is that we cannot incentivize fraudulent players to return and attempt the same cheats. We feel this is a service to the Bitcoin community, which as we all know is already filled with dishonest individuals.

Betcoin.ag has grown exponentially in the past few years and has many trusted members of this forum using it frequently. We would never do anything to break the trust of our tens of thousands of regular users. As mentioned, if the player does file the claim, we will cooperate fully and post an update here with the resolution. If anyone has any questions or concerns, we are here for you any time. Thanks and best of luck to all.
1229  Economy / Gambling / Re: ⭐BETCOIN.AG-NFL Handicapper Promo-2.65 BTC in Prizes-BTC, ETH, XRP, XMR Casino⭐ on: October 28, 2020, 03:36:37 PM
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1230  Economy / Gambling / Re: ⭐BETCOIN.AG-NFL Handicapper Promo-2.65 BTC in Prizes-BTC, ETH, XRP, XMR Casino⭐ on: October 27, 2020, 01:44:24 PM
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1232  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: BetCoin.ag closed account and stole around 1 BTC on: October 26, 2020, 09:17:53 PM
To summarize, this player, who is accused of multi accounting, has posted a single thread for 2 accounts, and stated in this thread that he not only placed the same bets as the other account, that the funds came from the same bitcoin address. "I owed him money" is the equivalent of "the other account logged in from my house was my roommate." Best of luck to you in the mediation. We will reply again once it is resolved.
1233  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: BetCoin.ag closed account and stole around 1 BTC on: October 26, 2020, 07:12:42 PM
We do not allow someone from his region to create an account. Had he tried to register from his home country, he would have been blocked prior to depositing. Instead he used a VPN  to get around this. We did send 1 withdrawal prior to discovering this. Upon reviewing the second withdrawal, we discovered the banned region and multi accounting.

We will provide the mediator with evidence of both of these and abide by whatever decision they make. We take these matters very seriously and payout amounts larger than this many times each day. We will report back as soon as this situation is resolved.
1234  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: BetCoin.ag closed account and stole around 1 BTC on: October 26, 2020, 06:12:59 PM
Hey Jimin , since Betcoin agreed to offer you mediation through SBR I guess you should just go with it cause we can't do much here about it without Betcoin sharing their findings

you can fully count on SBR fairness and they had some cases in the past where bitcoin sites were involved , so just go with SBR mate and let us know how it goes

We didn't just agree to the mediation. We encouraged it and sent him a link to file the claim a week ago. If there was a way to share the info here without cheaters learning new ways to get around security, we would love to.  Many people don't realize the amount of time and money spent on these detection tools. That said, we're look forward to providing SBR with our overwhelming evidence and resolving this matter.
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Hello, as stated to you via email and DM, your Betcoin account was permanently closed for fraud. You used a VPN to circumvent our ban of the Ukraine. Players from this region have not been allowed for over 2 years due to widespread abuse, which has been well documented in this forum. Additionally, we have ample evidence that you are the owner of multiple abusive accounts at Betcoin.ag. We have suggested to you that if you believe this was an error to contact SportsbookReview and seek 3rd party mediation. We will be happy to share our evidence with the mediator and abide by their judgement. Thank you.
1236  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: BetCoin.ag closed account and stole around 1 BTC on: October 26, 2020, 03:19:47 PM
Just want to ask you 1 Question, if the user has used VPN , why you don't permaban him while he made first deposit? (On Aug 10)

We do not ban players for using VPN unless it is determined that the VPN is used to circumvent other TOS (in this case, multi-accounting and banned region). These are handled on a case by case basis, depending on the violation. In most cases related to banned region, players are allowed to receive the deposit back, at minimum. In this case, due to the abusive nature of the accounts, the balances were seized. Otherwise, it incentivizes the fraudster from returning, knowing that at worst he will get his money deposited back.

Like most Bitcoin sites, since we do not require KYC, we review the account activity upon withdrawal. As he mentioned, his first withdrawal was sent, because at that time, we did not suspect any wrongdoing other than VPN use. Upon requesting the second withdrawal, we saw that the player had made some mistakes between the first and second withdrawal and an investigation was launched.

We would never close anyone's account without speaking to them first unless we were 100% certain of fraud. In this case, we have very clear evidence. We cannot share this with the player, because it helps them find ways around it for their next fraud, but we are prepared to provide them to a third party mediator, which we have been suggesting to this player since the day this event occurred.

Can you confirm first whatever OP said is correct or not about their deposit above?

We do confirm this player's deposit history is as stated. If the third party mediator believes the player is due his deposit(s) back, we will certainly comply, however due to the nature of this incident, it has been our experience that it will not be the case here.
1237  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: BetCoin.ag closed account and stole around 1 BTC on: October 26, 2020, 03:06:52 PM
What you are trying to do here, is to call foul on a "multi account" rule, if two people bet the same games?

This undermines the whole point of betting and tipsters communities and sounds very very manipulative to me ...

To clarify, we never said anything to you about betting the same games. This is not a suspicion This is part of a detailed investigation, which has proven that you multi have multiple malicious betting accounts. We will share our evidence with the 3rd party mediator and abide by their decision.
1238  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: BetCoin.ag closed account and stole around 1 BTC on: October 26, 2020, 02:49:10 PM
Hello, as stated to you via email and DM, your Betcoin account was permanently closed for fraud. You used a VPN to circumvent our ban of the Ukraine. Players from this region have not been allowed for over 2 years due to widespread abuse, which has been well documented in this forum. Additionally, we have ample evidence that you are the owner of multiple abusive accounts at Betcoin.ag. We have suggested to you that if you believe this was an error to contact SportsbookReview and seek 3rd party mediation. We will be happy to share our evidence with the mediator and abide by their judgement. Thank you.
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Hi, sorry for intercepting the thread, i am new here and i really cant figure out where i should post about my unfortunate case with betcoin.ag

in short, had account since july, deposited 1.8 btc, withdrawn 0.1 btc. After last deposit about 0.4+ btc on October 20th, balance came to about 0.8-1 btc and account closed, refused to pay balance.

Please, can you direct me to where i should post about this. I have already written down ALL the details of this case, and the text is very very long... as the case itself is interesting also Wink

thanks a lot

Hello, as stated to you via email and DM, your Betcoin account was permanently closed for fraud. You used a VPN to circumvent our ban of the Ukraine. Players from this region have not been allowed for over 2 years due to widespread abuse, which has been well documented in this forum. Additionally, we have ample evidence that you are the owner of multiple abusive accounts at Betcoin.ag. We have suggested to you that if you believe this was an error to contact SportsbookReview and seek 3rd party mediation. We will be happy to share our evidence with the mediator and abide by their judgement. Thank you.
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Boxing and combat sports fans around the world will be excited to know that on October 31st it isn’t just about Halloween and trick or treating, but boxing is live and in action! One of Japan’s most exciting fighting talents and superstar Naoya Inoue will be headed into the ring to defend his his bantamweight world title against Jason Moloney. The event will be broadcast ESPN and will be taking place in Las Vegas, Nevada! The fight will be held at one of the most popular destinations in combat sports, the MGM Grand in Las Vegas.

Inoue vs Moloney Preview and Prediction
Inoue is a sensational talent who holds a professional record of 19 wins and 0 losses, fighting out of Japan. He is fighting under Top Rank one of the most-well known boxing promotional companies. Inoue is a 27-year-old sensation talent, who’s just about to enter his prime years. At 5’5 and 165 cm tall they don’t just call him the “monster” for nothing as what he lacks for in height he makes up for in precision and power. Inoue’s last bout was last year, where he lead himself to a victorious outcome against Nonito Donaire in a unanimous decision. Previous to this bout, Inoue won his last four fights by KO’s and TKO’s giving opponents their first loss and or another to their overall record in exciting fashion.

The challenger on the other hand Moloney is a 29-year-old fighting out of Australia. Moloney comes into this bout with a overall record of 21 wins and 1 loss, with 18 KOs total. His only loss came back in August, 2018 and was to none other than Emmanuel Rodriguez. Since his loss. Moloney is finding stride and climbing back to his old roots as he’s overcome his last 4 opponents, where three of four have finished by KO/TKO. He comes into this bout to showcase his talent and showing the world that he’s capable of more than he’s shown recently and claiming his right to wrap the belt around his waist.

With the number #4 ESPN ranked Inoue facing off once again, he’s matched against an opponent who is very fierce and talented. Moloney is an exceptional fighter and shouldn’t being taken lightly, even with the misfortune of his single loss two years ago. Both of these men know one thing and one thing only.. BOXING, and with the talent and power between these two men we should be in for a hell of a showdown come Halloween night! Having said this, Inoue comes into this fight as a heavy favorite and it’s with reason. The favorite is a very talent young man who’s about to enter the prime ages of his life and shows no signs of slowing down. Moloney’s best chance to win I’ll presume is laying him on the mat, because if it comes down to the cards I don’t see him standing much of a chance. Inoue’s won 16 of his last 19 by KO/TKO and I expect it to be no different here as he makes a big statement on route to his 20th victory!

Prediction: Naoya Inoue to win & if you’re in need of better odds, by KO/TKO

Usyk vs Chisora Preview and Prediction
Boxing fans will be pleased to know this isn’t the only bout we’ll be offering on Halloween as yet another thrilling bout will be taking place as heavyweight Oleksandr Usyk will be facing off against Derek Chisora. This fight was previously scheduled for an earlier date, but was unfortunately postponed do to the pandemic. Thankfully enough, everything has been out in place as these two titans will enter the ring and showcase their talents as they fight for a heavyweight victory.

Dereck Chisora hosts a professional record of 32 wins and 9 losses with 23 KO/TKO’s. Fighting out of the United Kingdom, the 36-year-old veteran is entering the ring once again to showcase his talents. Hosting the nickname “war” that’s exactly what Dereck will be looking to do as he loves to go to war with anyone who’s in front of him. Recently on a 3 fight win streak, Chisora is looking to make a statement at his age as he steps up to the plate. Dereck hosts all the KO power in the world, which he’ll look to showcase on route to another successful victory at the age of 36.

Oleksandr Usyk is a professional boxer fighting out of Ukraine. The 33-year-old southpaw will be looking to continue his streak as he remains undefeated with a professional record of 17 wins and 0 losses, 13 coming by KO/TKO. Usyk is an impressive fighter and with only a few less years under his belt, is coming just out of his prime years. With this being said its nothing to worry about as Usyk should see himself cruising to a victorious win.

The Ukraine talent Usyk should see himself winning easily in his upcoming bout. Chisora has the experience under his belt, so if he can’t catch Usyk with his power, he should be able to withstand the rounds enough to make it to the final bell. Usyk will likely box his way to yet another victory, looking to avoid getting caught as it seems is the only way he can lose this one. Ukraine again should come out on top, as this one will more than likely come down to the final bell in a one sided decision.

Prediction: Usyk and Chisora to go the distance.

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