[SCAM] BetCoin.ag closed account and stole around 1 BTC

[zikzik]

UPDATE #3
Here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5284557.msg55777085#msg55777085) i have posted all explaining current betcoin.ag claims (my account is out of the question now, i have been paid in full, but they refuse to pay all the winnings to the other person).
Finally i have now all the bet lists from the two accounts and i will post them to prove myself and KillyPG are not connected. Please remember that this is the information that betcoin.ag REFUSED to provide since the beginning of this thread. They were of course afraid to provide it, because there is nothing that connects the two different accounts there

here is the full bet list
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5284557.msg55779792#msg55779792
GOOD LUCK FINDING ANY ABUSE IN THERE


UPDATE #2

unfortunately i had to reopen this thread. Betcoin.ag refused to pay the other person his won money on the facts that they claim that account also belongs to me. They still say i am a scammer (even though they paid my balance in FULL).
My business (people pay me to hear my recommendations on bets) is now threatened, as the other person got his won money stolen BECAUSE he had SOME of his bets the same as mine.

Over the next few days i will be providing evidence in this thread. I want the public to see what shady actions betcoin.ag is taking. They refused to provide this info for months, but i got it directly from the SBR mediation agent. And now everybody will see the lies betcoin.ag is saying.

STAY TUNED !!!


UPDATE


I am happy to report, that after the mediation process (which was advised by the betcoin.ag representative from the very beginning) by the SBR (https://www.sportsbookreview.com/sportsbook-complaint/) a resolution has been made to this case and my funds are to be released.

As i have stated several times in my original post, this case was very far from easy from the very start. The moment i have signed up on Betcoin.ag website, i have already broke their terms and conditions, which unfortunately i did not read prior.

I have used the VPNs and as such my whole activity of course became suspicious to betcoin.ag security team.

A bit later, when my btc wallet was used to make a deposit to a different account, my activity had to be investigated further. This action by the betcoin.ag security team is of course justifiable, especially since they found out right away that the other account in question had some similar bets with my account (due to me being a tipster - a person, whose bets are followed by other bettors).

So all facts considered, i do understand that the activity of my account was suspicious to betcoin.ag and the investigation to follow was justifiable.

I am just happy that right away (in their initial response to my emails) betcoin.ag advised me to seek the mediation from the SBR.

Being a very emotional person, my first intention was to fight in public before any mediation. Well, it turns out, that all i had to do is wait for the SBR and betcoin.ag to investigate the case further.

Now i am happy that with the help of SBR and betcoin.ag security team we were able to come to an amicable solution where your account balance is released back to me.

I want to thank all the parties involved, and of course the BitCoinTalk community.

END OF UPDATE



What happened:: in short i had a loosing account with betcoin.ag, lost around 1.7 BTC, after last deposit of about 0.4 BTC got to about 0.8-1 BTC and account closed

Scammers Profile Link: betcoin.ag

Amount Scammed: around 0.8-1 BTC (had some pending bets)
Payment Method: BTC and USDT

Additional Notes: i will post long long long text in this thread, read it only if you are interested. I will be posting this matter to SBR also, and will update this thread accordingly. WARNING AGAIN, the text is VERY VERY LONG


Hello guys.

I am quite new to the whole crypto scene (although i have just yesterday ordered my Ledger Backup Pack and i own some btc and usdt, so i can probably be already called a “crypto enthusiast”), but thanks to this forum i have started using crypto to bet on sports.

I must say that bitcointalk was very helpful for reading about different bookies/casinos and i got a lot of information here, so Thank You All.

If bitcointalk is considered the best and most helpful crypto source on the web, i represent the best and most popular sportsbetting resource on the web - BLOGABET

It's a community where tipsters (those who provide tips on betting for others) and punters (those who want to bet and want to “follow” successful tipsters) interact and communicate, talking about teams, players, sport news, what to bet, etc.

Those who provide advice on what to bet (tips) can choose to get paid for this, and those who want to follow some tipsters, they think are successful (publicly recorded statistics are available), can choose to pay for the tipster services.

At the time of writing, the blogabet community has over 345 000 active members, with around 41 000 tipsters, 3400+ paid services and 3000+ active tips (Monday, is the quietest day).

Disclaimer: i am in no way trying to advertise the above mentioned website here, but all that i write about it will come into play later, when i explain my unfortunate situation with BetCoin.ag

My nickname on this website is Jimin Jibao. For the last 3+ years I have been using it and I do have the best overall (and all time) statistics among all the tipsters.

I have publicly and system recorded (can not be manipulated by users) yield of +52% on over 3100 bets.

At the time of writing i have about 10500 followers (on the profile page you can see only about 9400, the other 1000 is only email or sms subscribers that only i can see), that get all my bets, my updates and blog posts delivered to their emails, phones (via sms) and personal profiles on the Blogabet platforms.

I don't mean to brag, just stating the facts. All the above mentioned numbers are the best ever on the platform, and there is a very good opportunity that nobody ever will outperform me. It's almost safe to say that my profile will be the top top performer on this platform for years to come.

So here goes my sad story with the BetCoin.ag …
You all think you heard it before, a player wins large money with a bookie and they decide not to pay him …
No, my friends. It is not going to be like this. I will cut to the chase here …
Overall I lost in BetCoin.ag about 1.7 BTC and they still decided to close my account and refuse to pay me my balance (close to 1 BTC i think).

So here go all the details of this interesting case:

I am used to betting in conventional sportsbook companies, and have many many accounts with them. Most are limited now of course, as i won good money there. So bookies are of course funny and will limit you to 5 EUR maxbets after you win 1000 or 2000 …

Somewhere, i dont remember where, i heard about these “bitcoin bookies”, people were saying some good things about “them” .

Somehow I ended up registering in one of them. Made some bets there, lost in the end (i tend to try to bet all in, when i can. I go for big wins, and subsequently big losses).

Then deposited some money i think about 700 euros worth of btc. At night, I could not find any bet to take and went to sleep. When I woke up and after some time went back to this bookie, I found my balance to be almost 0. I didn't understand what was happening and was angrily talking to the support.

They claimed that at night (after i have deposited) my whole balance was withdrawn to some btc wallets. The users logged in from Brazil and some Middle East country i think…

And btc being anonymous my money is GONE.

I was very very angry and my first reaction was that the bookie scammed me. So immediately I went searching on the web for possible solutions.

That is the first time i came across bitcointalk forums i think.

Later the bookie support explained to me that my passwords were leaked online and how it was my own fault that all my btc was stolen from this bookie. They also gave me a big lecture on how i am supposed to take web security seriously, so on and so on.

* to BETCOIN.AG admins - you can verify the above statement by checking my email (you obviously know it) against the leaked passwords database - https://www.avast.com/hackcheck *

Apparently some of my passwords from YEARS back were leaked online as part of some big hackers attacks and me being stupid enough to use the same email/password combination in this “crypto bookie” caused me to loose all my money there.

This was the very first time I encountered something like this. Having just lost money (and i HATE losing money) and being lectured on web security in a harsh way by a bookie support i decided that it would NEVER happen again. Being not an expert, I talked to some friends and for starters they suggested virtual machines and VPNs.

So i installed a virtual machine (my computer being almost brand new also helped this idea, of not compromising any data on it and staying clean, i still was not completely in the know on what happened to my passwords and how exactly they had been stolen), installed VPN and started continued my research about “crypto bookies” (with hope that my money stolen before can still be somehow recovered). I have to admit I didn't know back then (and even now) how exactly cryptocurrencies were functioning …

This VPN advice also came in VERY handy for me, as i like watching live video feeds of the games i bet on.

So for example, you can't watch without a good VPN (and some vpns work ok on some video streams for some countries, and some don't) live streams from:

Japan https://basketball.mb.softbank.jp/
Uruguay https://tv.vera.com.uy/canal/6001
Colombia https://www.winsportsonline.com/live
And many more

Go ahead, click on those from your home country’s IP. You will get an error or a message that only local users can use it.

You cant believe how frequently the providers geolock the video streams.

Even Facebook does it. For example, i wanted to watch the match Buducnost - Brescia in EuroCup basketball on september 29th (and i THINK i had a bet on this game in betcoin.ag also, but i am not sure).

Try opening this video from your home country IP
https://www.facebook.com/124541200938889/videos/3097801983662216

You get “This Content Isn't Available Right Now” error message. Now try changing your IP to Italy. You get the video of the game playing

So all in all my choice for VPN was a perfect solution for me, as i could finally be watching many many games (after subscribing to some foreign live stream providers and paying for access) that were unavailable for me before.

I also felt much more secure now as my friend assured me that virtual machines and VPNs were a very good way to protect yourself and making sure losing money to some hackers would never happen again.

So i proceeded with this set up and was exploring bitcointalk more (even with a faint hope to get that stolen money back), when i came up on a thread about a rating of BTC bookies.

After checking out some of the BEST RATED bookies (i mainly bet wild leagues in wild countries, so not all bookies offer those), i finally decided to open account in BetCoin.ag

My BetCoin.ag user is

This was I think at the end of July.

However the first deposit I made to this bookie was on August 10th. It was a small deposit of 0.00523129 BTC. I dont usually have BTC available (as i was not really into this thing that time for sure), so when i came across some, i decided to try.

I dont remember what happened, i probably lost it all the same day. Or some days later, but my records show that the next deposit was September 17th - 0.10+ BTC. That one i lost also, and the next came already in October.

Overall here is the table of all my deposits to BetCoin.ag (as far i can see from the email confirmations i got):

Aug-10 0.005231   
Sep-17 0.105774   
Oct-1 0.028727   
Oct-2 0.090000   
Oct-12 0.105000   
Oct-12 0.430324   
Oct-12 0.000005   
Oct-12 0.031000   
Oct-15 0.544224   
Oct-18 0.056000 (this was made with 659 USDT, so the BTC equivalent is approximate)
Oct-20 0.200000   
Oct-20 0.220171   

Since then I made ONLY ONE WITHDRAWAL of 0.1 BTC on October 19th (2 days later they closed my account).

So total deposited about 1.8 BTC and total withdrawn about 0.1 BTC
So total lost on the account about 1.7 BTC

Generally, as you can see from deposits LOL, the month of October (and September also actually) was a very bad month for me in terms of betting. I always ended up loosing.
So after my small withdrawal of 0.1 BTC on October 19th, the next day i lost all the money in the account. Most money i lost on Vietnam Basketball game Hochiminh City Wings - Danang Dragons on Oct. 20th. I was really confident in that game but ended up loosing i think around 0.4 - 0.5 BTC (don't remember exactly). I also tipped BIG that game  on my Blogabet (https://jj1ba0.blogabet.com/pick/32501804/hochiminh-city-wings-vs-danang-dragons).

There were other bets that i took that day of course (i take many many bets every day), some won, but mostly lost.

The balance became 0 (or close to it) and after that i made these last deposits of 0.2 and 0.22 BTC the same day.

Next day was October 21st

I took many many bets in pre match betting, maybe some bets live also. Generally i tend to take many many bets, some small, some big, i really cant remember the small single bets that day. These bets are from different sports also, mostly basketball, but many footballs, handballs, volleyballs, hockeys ALSO. You can check my statistics on Blogabet and see the different sports i tend to bet.

Most of the bets that day were accumulator (combo) type bets. Most of them consisted of 3, 4, 5 and some even 6 (i think) matches.

The matches were from Japan basketball, EuroCup basketball, some Turkey football and others.

I think ALL the bets in those combos won and at the time, when my account was locked, some bets were already settled, some had some games remaining, but the balance already was 0.7 BTC (700 tokens, i have screenshots of that) and with some big combos still pending (later the last matches won). So with those big combo bets won i dont know what the balance was (because i would no longer be able to login to the account), but i assume at least 800 tokens but close to 1000 i THINK.

Funny enough, one of the last games pending was Buducnost - Ulm basketball game in EuroCup - REMEMBER this game, it will come into play later in my story

So once again, i want to mention, that the won bets on this “last day” were the big multi game accumulators consisting MOSTLY of Japan and EuroCup basketball (these games are available for betting in Pinnacle for example for 1500+ euros maxbets per click, so these are considered BIG LEAGUES).

So, later this day i was able to login to the account anymore and was told by the livechat support to email contact@betcoin.ag

From those guys i got this:

Hello, your account was permanently closed per our policies regarding
fraud and multi-accounting, plus playing from a banned region.
https://www.betcoin.ag/support/betcoinag-terms-service

Do not create any additional accounts at Betcoin.ag or any other site
associated with Global Limited Holding EOOD (“GLH”) or Coing Gaming
Network (CGN) or they will be closed and funds seized, including the
deposit.

To which i replied:

I have used ONLY one account
what about my money i have in my account now 0.7 BTC plus pending bets
? you will send all the balance after the bets are settled?

And their FINAL email wasL

We have considerable evidence that fraud was committed. If you would
like to seek 3rd party mediation, we will be happy to share the evidence
with the mediator.
https://www.sportsbookreview.com/sportsbook-complaint/

Will will not respond further.


That is the last time i heard from them …

Also want to reiterate that i made many many bets with them (mostly loosing), in this time i have accumulated 903/1000 status points needed for next rewards level (real number is much bigger here, coz i only recorded 903 way before many last bets were settled).

Judging from the screenshots i have (the affiliate link and the url address),
my user ID was 294961

I want to state, one more time, officially, that i DENY ALL the accusations made by BetCoin.ag security:

I have NEVER committed ANY fraud while betting in BetCoin.AG
I have ONLY used one single personal account while betting in BetCoin.AG and i dont have any more accounts on this platform.
I am a EU citizen and my country IS NOT on the list of prohibited countries in the terms and conditions of BetCoin.AG found on https://www.betcoin.ag/node/3549


If this goes public, I ask BetCoin.AG support not to disclose my exact EU citizenship (just to acknowledge it when I verify it with all the needed documents), due to the fact that my profile Jimin Jibao being is very popular on Blogabet platform and everybody want to know where i am from. I want to keep my anonymity there. So i ask you not to mention it publicly after you confirm it. Thanks.

Unfortunately this is not a complete story yet.

As i said, i am part of the Blogabet betting community (with hundreds of thousand people, and my personal 10000+ followers), there i have many people i discuss bets with.

About 2 weeks ago i have recommended the BetCoin.AG platform to my fellow blogabet user, a citizen of Montenegro.

This person’s opinion i trust in basketball, and actually he has recommended to me a couple of times a good bet on EuroCup basketball on his HOMETOWN team Buducnost Voli Podgorica. Based on his recommendation i have taken bets on this team in my BetCoin.AG account also (he also recommended a smaller bet on Unicaja in the same tournament, they play in the same group actually, so he knows them good). The bets on this team Buducnost and a little on Unicaja i took only in big combos and its the only time i bet on this tournament even. I usually bet on “more exotic” countries, like Uruguay, Japan, Mexico, Korea, Vietnam, etc.

On october 19th, my friend tells me that he finally opened an account in BetCoin.AG (user id 296772 judging from screenshots, username KillyPG. As he is even a bigger newbie in crypto than me, and i owed him money, he asked me if i could help him with deposit of BTC to this bookie. I did, and sent 0.1 BTC for deposit.

So from that day, October 19th he also started to bet in BetCoin.AG.

Yes, we communicate with him on bets.
Yes, he follows almost all my bets, because i have the best ever statistics on Blogabet
Yes, i respect his opinion on basketball, especially on his HOMETOWN team Buducnost and other teams they play against

NATURALLY, we may have SOME of the same bets in our betting accounts in BetCoin.AG

I CAN NOT remember all the days of course (as you can see me and this guy were members of this bookie at the same time only for 3 days), but i can clearly remember the last day.

I took many big basketball combos with many many games, and he recommended his hometown Buducnost and Unicaja (from same group) bet to me. I have recommended Tokyo Alvark from Japan basketball (i had it in ALL combos i think).

So now talking to him, we realize that that day we both had combos in which Buducnost, Unicaja, Tokyo bets were the same. I REALLY DONT SEE A PROBLEM in that.

We probably also had other same bets that day because YES we are from the same community where we discuss bets. If one of us finds a good or super bet, we SHARE and each try to bet it.

IT IS NORMAL and it is done by everybody. That is a point of betting and tipster communities.

But, as you may have guessed correctly, later that day his account was blocked also.
After not replying for long time, he finally got the same generic reply:


Hello, your account was permanently closed per our policies regarding
fraud and multi-accounting, plus playing from a banned region.
https://www.betcoin.ag/support/betcoinag-terms-service

Do not create any additional accounts at Betcoin.ag or any other site
associated with Global Limited Holding EOOD (“GLH”) or Coing Gaming
Network (CGN) or they will be closed and funds seized, including the
deposit.


After these for the past 4 days, they have not replied anything else to him, even though his balance was around 0.4 - 0.6 BTC (lots of unsettled bets also, he doesn't know the exact balance)

He then reached out to me, asking what the hell could have happened, as i “advertised” BetCoin.Ag as a trustful and very highly rated bookie. One of the arguments I used, when recommending BetCoin.AG to him, was that there is always an excellent bitcointalk community that can help to solve any injustice the bookies decide to do.

As i am a more public character than he is (the brand Jimin Jibao is very much known among punters around the world), and as it was my recommendation, he asked me to follow up on this case here.

Obviously the BetCoin.AG security team somehow wants to connect our accounts, but it is definitely a HOAX.

Officially, my friend, username KillyPG, user id 296772, denies ALL THE ACCUSATIONS from the BetCoin.AG team and states:
He never committed any fraud while betting on BetCoin.AG platform
Never has he used any other account than username KillyPG, user id 296772
He is citizen of Montenegro (allowed by terms and conditions) and has always used his mobile phone registered on Montenegrin 4G network to bet on BetCoin.AG website


I am very sorry for this long tirade my friends, but i feel it is much better to lay our ALL THE FACTS right away, so a suitable solution can be found.

Me (user id 294961) and username KillyPG (user id 296772) also feel that it is better to create one thread about this case, than two separate one, because it looks like BetCoin.AG security teams wants to connect these cases.

Now we have laid out all the facts, and it is clearly can be seen that some kind of mistake has happened (probably some automatic block triggers) and after we provide all the required documentation this matter can be of course resolved.

We also want to thank the BitCoinTalk community for an opportunity for bettors to be HELPED in situations like these.

Thank you all again, and SORRY for long long text.

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[Betcoin.AG]

Hello, as stated to you via email and DM, your Betcoin account was permanently closed for fraud. You used a VPN to circumvent our ban of the Ukraine. Players from this region have not been allowed for over 2 years due to widespread abuse, which has been well documented in this forum. Additionally, we have ample evidence that you are the owner of multiple abusive accounts at Betcoin.ag. We have suggested to you that if you believe this was an error to contact SportsbookReview and seek 3rd party mediation. We will be happy to share our evidence with the mediator and abide by their judgement. Thank you.

[zikzik]

Hello, as stated to you via email and DM, your Betcoin account was permanently closed for fraud. You used a VPN to circumvent our ban of the Ukraine. Players from this region have not been allowed for over 2 years due to widespread abuse, which has been well documented in this forum. Additionally, we have ample evidence that you are the owner of multiple abusive accounts at Betcoin.ag. We have suggested to you that if you believe this was an error to contact SportsbookReview and seek 3rd party mediation. We will be happy to share our evidence with the mediator and abide by their judgement. Thank you.

I have stated this already many times, and will repeat myself

1. I am not from a banned region (not from Ukraine as you are implying). I am ready to provide all and any documentation, evidence, selfies, videos, pcr and urine tests. Whatever is needed. I just ask you not to publicly say where i am from (for the reasons i explained in the LONG LONG text above). I am EU citizen and my country is not on the banned list.

2. I have ONLY ever used one single account in betcoin.ag (why would i need more if i am loosing big time there anyways?). The other account, you are obviously implying is mine (why obviously, its all explained in the LONG LONG text above) - i have NO RELATION to whatsoever. Its an account of a fellow blogabet-or who is based in Montenegro

i will be creating a report via the SBR now of course, but your accusations are just laughable.

you want to connect two accounts together from different countries, created in different months ONLY because they had some same bets. SOME, a small portion of bets.

Why the bets could have been the same is explained in the LONG LONG text above. My name is Jimin Jibao, i have the best ever statistics among all tipsters worldwide (over 52% yield from over 3000 bets). People do follow me and my bets.

What you are trying to do here, is to call foul on a "multi account" rule, if two people bet the same games?

This undermines the whole point of betting and tipsters communities and sounds very very manipulative to me ...

[numanoid]

I think ALL the bets in those combos won and at the time, when my account was locked, some bets were already settled, some had some games remaining, but the balance already was 0.7 BTC (700 tokens, i have screenshots of that) and with some big combos still pending (later the last matches won). So with those big combo bets won i dont know what the balance was (because i would no longer be able to login to the account), but i assume at least 800 tokens but close to 1000 i THINK.

Please post your proofs of this (screenshot or whatever). It's suspicious if your next bet was cancelled in middle of game.

Hello, as stated to you via email and DM, your Betcoin account was permanently closed for fraud. You used a VPN to circumvent our ban of the Ukraine. Players from this region have not been allowed for over 2 years due to widespread abuse, which has been well documented in this forum. Additionally, we have ample evidence that you are the owner of multiple abusive accounts at Betcoin.ag. We have suggested to you that if you believe this was an error to contact SportsbookReview and seek 3rd party mediation. We will be happy to share our evidence with the mediator and abide by their judgement. Thank you.

Just want to ask you 1 Question, if the user has used VPN , why you don't permaban him while he made first deposit? (On Aug 10)

Overall here is the table of all my deposits to BetCoin.ag (as far i can see from the email confirmations i got):

Aug-10 0.005231  
Sep-17 0.105774  
Oct-1 0.028727  
Oct-2 0.090000  
Oct-12 0.105000  
Oct-12 0.430324  
Oct-12 0.000005  
Oct-12 0.031000  
Oct-15 0.544224  
Oct-18 0.056000 (this was made with 659 USDT, so the BTC equivalent is approximate)
Oct-20 0.200000  
Oct-20 0.220171  

Can you confirm first whatever OP said is correct or not about their deposit above?

[Betcoin.AG]

What you are trying to do here, is to call foul on a "multi account" rule, if two people bet the same games?

This undermines the whole point of betting and tipsters communities and sounds very very manipulative to me ...

To clarify, we never said anything to you about betting the same games. This is not a suspicion This is part of a detailed investigation, which has proven that you multi have multiple malicious betting accounts. We will share our evidence with the 3rd party mediator and abide by their decision.

[zikzik]

I think ALL the bets in those combos won and at the time, when my account was locked, some bets were already settled, some had some games remaining, but the balance already was 0.7 BTC (700 tokens, i have screenshots of that) and with some big combos still pending (later the last matches won). So with those big combo bets won i dont know what the balance was (because i would no longer be able to login to the account), but i assume at least 800 tokens but close to 1000 i THINK.

Please post your proofs of this (screenshot or whatever). It's suspicious if your next bet was cancelled in middle of game.

sorry i dont understand. My bets were not cancelled (at least i dont know), there were just more games later that evening WHICH were still yet to play ... WHEN my account was closed, so i dont know exactly how much btc was on my account later ...

[numanoid]

sorry i dont understand. My bets were not cancelled (at least i dont know), there were just more games later that evening WHICH were still yet to play ... WHEN my account was closed, so i dont know exactly how much btc was on my account later ...

Your account already closed, you don't know either whatever the bet was cancelled or still pending, that's why i assume your next bet got cancelled due to you got a permaban

[zikzik]

sorry i dont understand. My bets were not cancelled (at least i dont know), there were just more games later that evening WHICH were still yet to play ... WHEN my account was closed, so i dont know exactly how much btc was on my account later ...

Your account already closed, you don't know either whatever the bet was cancelled or still pending, that's why i assume your next bet got cancelled due to you got a permaban

well, cancelled or paid, doesnt really matter.

They told me they are not paying me any of my btc there

[Betcoin.AG]

Just want to ask you 1 Question, if the user has used VPN , why you don't permaban him while he made first deposit? (On Aug 10)

We do not ban players for using VPN unless it is determined that the VPN is used to circumvent other TOS (in this case, multi-accounting and banned region). These are handled on a case by case basis, depending on the violation. In most cases related to banned region, players are allowed to receive the deposit back, at minimum. In this case, due to the abusive nature of the accounts, the balances were seized. Otherwise, it incentivizes the fraudster from returning, knowing that at worst he will get his money deposited back.

Like most Bitcoin sites, since we do not require KYC, we review the account activity upon withdrawal. As he mentioned, his first withdrawal was sent, because at that time, we did not suspect any wrongdoing other than VPN use. Upon requesting the second withdrawal, we saw that the player had made some mistakes between the first and second withdrawal and an investigation was launched.

We would never close anyone's account without speaking to them first unless we were 100% certain of fraud. In this case, we have very clear evidence. We cannot share this with the player, because it helps them find ways around it for their next fraud, but we are prepared to provide them to a third party mediator, which we have been suggesting to this player since the day this event occurred.

Can you confirm first whatever OP said is correct or not about their deposit above?

We do confirm this player's deposit history is as stated. If the third party mediator believes the player is due his deposit(s) back, we will certainly comply, however due to the nature of this incident, it has been our experience that it will not be the case here.

[zikzik]

What you are trying to do here, is to call foul on a "multi account" rule, if two people bet the same games?

This undermines the whole point of betting and tipsters communities and sounds very very manipulative to me ...

To clarify, we never said anything to you about betting the same games. This is not a suspicion This is part of a detailed investigation, which has proven that you multi have multiple malicious betting accounts. We will share our evidence with the 3rd party mediator and abide by their decision.

please clarify, you claim that the other account that is mine is this KillyPG, user id 296772 account? the other account that you closed and refuse to pay btc from. Correct?

[zikzik]

while the betcoin.ag representative is online and decides to ignore questions

i just want to prove that i was not joking about the Jimin Jibao from Blogabet part



this is posted in the best profile of Blogabet http://jj1ba0.blogabet.com/ , the best tipster community in the world.

I am Jimin Jibao and i feel did nothing wrong here (ESPECIALLY considering that i lost 1.7 BTC to this bookie)

For now it is only visible when you visit the website on a PC, but later i will be adding a special page to my website www.jiminjibao.com to explain how my money was stolen

[SyGambler]

Hey Jimin , since Betcoin agreed to offer you mediation through SBR I guess you should just go with it cause we can't do much here about it without Betcoin sharing their findings

you can fully count on SBR fairness and they had some cases in the past where bitcoin sites were involved , so just go with SBR mate and let us know how it goes

[Betcoin.AG]

Hey Jimin , since Betcoin agreed to offer you mediation through SBR I guess you should just go with it cause we can't do much here about it without Betcoin sharing their findings

you can fully count on SBR fairness and they had some cases in the past where bitcoin sites were involved , so just go with SBR mate and let us know how it goes

We didn't just agree to the mediation. We encouraged it and sent him a link to file the claim a week ago. If there was a way to share the info here without cheaters learning new ways to get around security, we would love to.  Many people don't realize the amount of time and money spent on these detection tools. That said, we're look forward to providing SBR with our overwhelming evidence and resolving this matter.

[Maasdamer]

All of this sounds very shady.

You did not answer the question somebody asked.
You say he is from a banned region but let him deposit countless times. And once he wins something back what he lost you ban him? yeah right.
I read this all the time. People deposit and lose and lose, no problem. They wina  tiny amount back and you block them with accusations and results giving the customer no chance to even reply.

And how do you prove he is from ukraine? He says he can send all the documents but you are not interested? What kind of behaviour is this?

[Betcoin.AG]

We do not allow someone from his region to create an account. Had he tried to register from his home country, he would have been blocked prior to depositing. Instead he used a VPN  to get around this. We did send 1 withdrawal prior to discovering this. Upon reviewing the second withdrawal, we discovered the banned region and multi accounting.

We will provide the mediator with evidence of both of these and abide by whatever decision they make. We take these matters very seriously and payout amounts larger than this many times each day. We will report back as soon as this situation is resolved.

[Harlot]

We do not allow someone from his region to create an account. Had he tried to register from his home country, he would have been blocked prior to depositing. Instead he used a VPN  to get around this. We did send 1 withdrawal prior to discovering this. Upon reviewing the second withdrawal, we discovered the banned region and multi accounting.

We will provide the mediator with evidence of both of these and abide by whatever decision they make. We take these matters very seriously and payout amounts larger than this many times each day. We will report back as soon as this situation is resolved.

I think everything will be settled when OP will providr the evidence needed proving that he played in a different country and not playing on a banned vountry which is Ukraine. I guessed there is no more point on putting up arguments here as what you have said you'll be waiting for the post the OP made in SBR and you'll be happy with what ghe mediator will be deciding in his case. I just hope that what the OP will be providing will be enough for SBR to side in him if he is really right and what he is saying isn't a lie.

[zikzik]

Upon reviewing the second withdrawal, we discovered the banned region and multi accounting.

wait wait, you are implying that UPON REVIEWING a BTC transaction, you DISCOVERED i was from UKRAINE?

i will tell you what you have discovered upon reviewing my transactions. You have discovered that one of my deposits was made from the same btc address as the deposit in the other account (a Montenegro citizen) i have mentioned in my long text.

And i have openly stated that, that i have owed money to this guy, and he asked me to transfer BTC for him. Which i did.

I thought the whole point of crypto was that it is anonymous and not centralized.

Are you saying that it is against rules for deposits of different accounts to be made from same btc wallet? Is that how your systems discovered and "linked" these accounts of two different people in two different countries?

[zikzik]

Upon reviewing the second withdrawal, we discovered the banned region and multi accounting.

second withdrawal?
my records show only one withdrawal. Please explain this

thanks

[Fortify]

What a car crash of a scam accusation. Straying all over the place, adding totally irrelevant information and showing a total lack of understanding when it comes to certain things (like VPN's). I have a feeling you lost a lot of money, then hatched a plot to try and pretend somebody stole money from your account in order to try to scrape back some of what you lost. You need to let go of what you lost and move on. Stop gambling permanently because when you use phrases like "i tend to try to bet all in, when i can. I go for big wins, and subsequently big losses" it shows that you have a fundamental lack of understanding on the mechanics of casino operations and are destined to only lose more.

[zikzik]

What a car crash of a scam accusation. Straying all over the place, adding totally irrelevant information and showing a total lack of understanding when it comes to certain things (like VPN's). I have a feeling you lost a lot of money, then hatched a plot to try and pretend somebody stole money from your account in order to try to scrape back some of what you lost. You need to let go of what you lost and move on. Stop gambling permanently because when you use phrases like "i tend to try to bet all in, when i can. I go for big wins, and subsequently big losses" it shows that you have a fundamental lack of understanding on the mechanics of casino operations and are destined to only lose more.

I did loose a lot of money. As i said, i did deposit 1.8 BTC and withdrew only 0.1 BTC, but at the time account was closed the balance on it was around 0.8 - 1 BTC

Betcoin.ag are not denying i had this balance on the account, so please dont write ridiculous things about "hatching a plot to try to pretend ..."

And please, dont waste your time on teaching me how to bet
No offense intended, but i do understand a thing or two in betting. And the money i lost in betcoin.ag is around my daily betting turnover, so its not that big. But i just refused to be pushed around like that. That is all.

I respect your opinion, but obviously you didnt get to the bottom of this, if you said i was trying to pretend i got money stolen ...
that is not the point here