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581  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Let the Machines do the Work (The end of Slavery) on: April 28, 2013, 09:47:45 PM

As it has been said before, our society could probably afford taxing hard (eventually through printing money, and thus inflation) a relatively small working elite, to allow the others to live a simple frugal country life without need of doing anything. But do we really want it?

Question is more of do we have alternatives? Entry to job market seems to be trending to situation where less and less people have work available.

Would you like to know why?

Short term profit over longer term... Would be my guess.


I quite worried about my short term employ-ability. Even educated people are unemployed and getting any reasonably paying work seems to be hard.
582  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Let the Machines do the Work (The end of Slavery) on: April 28, 2013, 09:42:53 PM

As it has been said before, our society could probably afford taxing hard (eventually through printing money, and thus inflation) a relatively small working elite, to allow the others to live a simple frugal country life without need of doing anything. But do we really want it?

Question is more of do we have alternatives? Entry to job market seems to be treding to situation where less and less people have work available.

It would be interesting to get calculations how many people need to be employed to feed everyone, that is including the whole supply chain. With less waste I think the end result would be surprisingly few...

There is two alternatives, either we go socialism. Or we don't care about majority's situation...

583  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Let the Machines do the Work (The end of Slavery) on: April 28, 2013, 08:41:42 PM
The argument is simple: You cannot run an economy with mining hardware.
That's not an argument to my point, because that is not the point at all. '

My point is that if we SHARE we can all live comfortably, and if we all live comfortably we can start inventing things and WORK TOWARDS LETTING THE MACHINES DO THE WORK.

And I am not wrong.

You know there is one part wrong there.

Humans...
584  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Let the Machines do the Work (The end of Slavery) on: April 28, 2013, 08:02:06 PM
Robosocialism sounds good.

I for one welcome our new robotic overlords.


Though I believe I will be long gone when it happens...
585  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Let the Machines do the Work (The end of Slavery) on: April 28, 2013, 07:15:54 PM
Real stuff has to be made.

Making virtual currency doesn't create real wealth.

Mining does provide wealth for small population who can beat the margin, but the rest will pay the cost for it...
586  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Let the Machines do the Work (The end of Slavery) on: April 28, 2013, 06:05:20 PM
The goal isn't to mine and sit on your ass for the rest of your life while the machines do more mining to make you money to live on.

The idea is to mine, then make money, then use that money to put real life applications into place. Invention is the only one that I have mentioned, but there are plenty of other ways to start your own company, or publish your own book/magazine, start your own website, make your own movie, run a political campaign, start a charity.

Make the world a better place by mining.

EX:
If you have earned a lot of money mining, buy a "Brother" T-Shirt printing machine. It may cost $5,000-$15,000. But you now have a machine that can print like 6-12 shirts an hour, and it will look like a real shirt, not ironed on shit.

Guess what, now you own a REAL t-shirt making company. And the machines do most of the work, and you can continue mining, maybe even hire people to do the work for you, or make an invention to do it. And you can do the same with magazines, and newspapers. It's just printers, but you do have to get a really good one.

So then those people you hire will be slaves...

So you are saying that one should use mining as means to get capital to start bussiness. And that isn't really anything new. You still need the capital...
587  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Let the Machines do the Work (The end of Slavery) on: April 28, 2013, 05:36:30 PM
My point was that everyone mining doesn't solve anything at all...

Still, I'm very skeptical that people making or designing the machines won't restrict those...
588  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Let the Machines do the Work (The end of Slavery) on: April 28, 2013, 05:17:01 PM
I think you didn't think this one through...

Someone needs still to produce the stuff, and just adding to/getting cut from new money doesn't really produce anything...
589  Other / Politics & Society / Re: No Taxation...Donation! on: April 27, 2013, 06:34:07 PM
You really think that one company will be able to dominate the market?

Yes, one or few large ones. Which isn't really that different scenario.

Why, then, are there so many different brands of Automobiles?
10 companies control 86.4% of market. And there is some government intervention involved.
I see. And in the US? How many car companies are available over here in the US? (And what about the other 13.6% of the market?)

One statistic I found was 68.7 for top 5 companies... So likely very similar.

I don't see the 13.6 lasting too long if companies had every possible means available, that include things like sabotage...
590  Other / Politics & Society / Re: No Taxation...Donation! on: April 27, 2013, 06:30:01 PM
Why, then, are there so many different brands of Automobiles?

Or brands of icecream--and phone companies.  Also, computer manufacturers Tongue  Pizza delivery services...  Video game publishers...  Bicycle makers...

Is there so many really? Stats from 2011 for Europe:
http://www.statista.com/statistics/12782/market-share-of-selected-car-maunfacturers-in-europe/

10 companies control 86.4% of market. And there is some government intervention involved.

There isn't really too many groups in automobile market.




Which system are you rooting for, btw?  If not capitalism.

EDIT:
And true, if you go deeper into things in many fields there is worryingly small amount of big players...


I believe the best spot is in the middle. State providing most security services, some of basic infrastructure, education, social security and health care. Private industry is free to compete in these areas, but their operations are limited by sensible regulation. That is protection of nature and people and limiting the merges as such there isn't too big players.

Too far in either direction just end disaster for majority.

591  Other / Politics & Society / Re: No Taxation...Donation! on: April 27, 2013, 06:22:06 PM
You really think that one company will be able to dominate the market?

Yes, one or few large ones. Which isn't really that different scenario.

Why, then, are there so many different brands of Automobiles?

Is there so many really? Stats from 2011 for Europe:
http://www.statista.com/statistics/12782/market-share-of-selected-car-maunfacturers-in-europe/

10 companies control 86.4% of market in sales per unit. And there is some government intervention involved.

There isn't really too many groups in automobile market.


592  Other / Politics & Society / Re: No Taxation...Donation! on: April 27, 2013, 06:13:55 PM
I don't trust in free market,
This is all you really needed to say.

I see it like this:
Now there is one large force which I have very minor say in.
In other scenario I believe it ends up with one large force with me having no say in.
You really think that one company will be able to dominate the market?

Yes, one or few large ones. Which isn't really that different scenario.

That is on now comparable to nation scale. And I don't see too much movement population between areas controlled by them.
593  Other / Politics & Society / Re: No Taxation...Donation! on: April 27, 2013, 06:07:26 PM
So from one force to an other, but this time private one... I'm not really sure it's preferable situation, as the size of companies isn't limited. The system presented in video seems scary...

Would you rather have competing services for security, who you use and pay for on a voluntary basis, or a single, all-powerful monopoly on the security service industry, which you must pay for involuntarily?  Personally, I wouldn't like it if McDonalds was the only burger joint in the nation, of which I had to pay them every time they set up a new store, or risk jail time; they could then charge 20$ a burger and take their time filling out orders at the drive thru--I mean, where else are you gonna go for fast food?

I think, when it boils down to it, people are always willing to pay for security, so there may as well be competition to provide the best service possible.  As in the case of the monostatism, they can essentially do what they want without fear that another government will out perform them.  They can provide a terrible service and charge out the butt to use it; since they own the military, they can also force you to pay for their service, whether you want it or not.  It's a pretty ugly system that we have now, if you ask me, full of bullying and corruption.

I see it like this:
Now there is one large force which I have very minor say in.
In other scenario I believe it ends up with one large force with me having no say in.

States do have some rules, non-states don't have to have any. They could just say that you did something wrong and you have to pay. And if you don't pay the make you a slave. And if they are sufficiently large and profitable no one can stop them. And we are back to feudalism...
594  Other / Politics & Society / Re: No Taxation...Donation! on: April 27, 2013, 05:57:53 PM
The system presented in video seems scary...

Why?

I see dystopian future of mega corporations, corporate war, lack of regulation and slavery.

I don't trust in free market, eventually some player will grow to be too large and it's too late for collective incentive to go against it... Really just think how many people go for the cheapest option, not regarding other cost involved. Corporations or large entities aren't moral, they are out for their own good and can be rather short sighted...
595  Other / Politics & Society / Re: No Taxation...Donation! on: April 27, 2013, 05:50:54 PM
Next question: Who forces you to pay the damages to landowners?

There is likely always someone who don't care about pollution, specially if you have access to international markets...

Private security businesses and arbitrators (which take the place of police and the justice system.)  This video can explain it quite well.

Edit:  Whups, goofed up on the URL Grin

So from one force to an other, but this time private one... I'm not really sure it's preferable situation, as the size of companies isn't limited. The system presented in video seems scary...
596  Other / Politics & Society / Re: No Taxation...Donation! on: April 27, 2013, 04:08:18 PM
Currently it's more profitable to ruin the environment than to sustain it, how do you prevent this?

While I'm waiting for you to answer my question, I'll answer yours. The reason it is more profitable is because politicians are cheaper to buy than land. If you had to pay the landowners damages for polluting their land, it would be much more expensive.

Next question: Who forces you to pay the damages to landowners?

There is likely always someone who don't care about pollution, specially if you have access to international markets...
597  Other / Politics & Society / Re: No Taxation...Donation! on: April 27, 2013, 12:27:11 PM
Because roads are the glue that bind our culture together.

Can I please get a divorce?

You just need a few WMDs, holes and job is done...
598  Other / Politics & Society / Re: No Taxation...Donation! on: April 26, 2013, 07:21:25 AM

You are right but brace yourself for frantic whines of people who insist that the time to charge for a fire service is when the fire has already started.

Where I live, my taxes pay for this.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2011/12/07/9272989-firefighters-let-home-burn-over-75-fee-again?lite

Imagine all over the country, the people who lost their house, or almost lost their house due to fire. How much of the population would actually pay 'donations' to the fire department?


Don't you also love a group of guys walking around and talking about how flammable your property looks... Grin

599  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: PayPal president interested in bitcoin on: April 26, 2013, 07:12:24 AM
Let me guess, they will do the BTC->paypal balance in fiat. At their own rate, and then they will steal the money?

600  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Everything Is Rigged: The Biggest Price-Fixing Scandal Ever on: April 26, 2013, 06:53:07 AM

This is the one case where I think death penalty is a good idea.
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