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on: April 28, 2013, 09:47:45 PM
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As it has been said before, our society could probably afford taxing hard (eventually through printing money, and thus inflation) a relatively small working elite, to allow the others to live a simple frugal country life without need of doing anything. But do we really want it?
Question is more of do we have alternatives? Entry to job market seems to be trending to situation where less and less people have work available. Would you like to know why? Short term profit over longer term... Would be my guess. I quite worried about my short term employ-ability. Even educated people are unemployed and getting any reasonably paying work seems to be hard.
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Other / Politics & Society / Re: Let the Machines do the Work (The end of Slavery)
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on: April 28, 2013, 09:42:53 PM
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As it has been said before, our society could probably afford taxing hard (eventually through printing money, and thus inflation) a relatively small working elite, to allow the others to live a simple frugal country life without need of doing anything. But do we really want it?
Question is more of do we have alternatives? Entry to job market seems to be treding to situation where less and less people have work available. It would be interesting to get calculations how many people need to be employed to feed everyone, that is including the whole supply chain. With less waste I think the end result would be surprisingly few... There is two alternatives, either we go socialism. Or we don't care about majority's situation...
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on: April 28, 2013, 08:41:42 PM
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The argument is simple: You cannot run an economy with mining hardware.
That's not an argument to my point, because that is not the point at all. ' My point is that if we SHARE we can all live comfortably, and if we all live comfortably we can start inventing things and WORK TOWARDS LETTING THE MACHINES DO THE WORK. And I am not wrong. You know there is one part wrong there. Humans...
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on: April 28, 2013, 06:05:20 PM
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The goal isn't to mine and sit on your ass for the rest of your life while the machines do more mining to make you money to live on.
The idea is to mine, then make money, then use that money to put real life applications into place. Invention is the only one that I have mentioned, but there are plenty of other ways to start your own company, or publish your own book/magazine, start your own website, make your own movie, run a political campaign, start a charity.
Make the world a better place by mining.
EX: If you have earned a lot of money mining, buy a "Brother" T-Shirt printing machine. It may cost $5,000-$15,000. But you now have a machine that can print like 6-12 shirts an hour, and it will look like a real shirt, not ironed on shit.
Guess what, now you own a REAL t-shirt making company. And the machines do most of the work, and you can continue mining, maybe even hire people to do the work for you, or make an invention to do it. And you can do the same with magazines, and newspapers. It's just printers, but you do have to get a really good one.
So then those people you hire will be slaves... So you are saying that one should use mining as means to get capital to start bussiness. And that isn't really anything new. You still need the capital...
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Other / Politics & Society / Re: No Taxation...Donation!
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on: April 27, 2013, 06:34:07 PM
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You really think that one company will be able to dominate the market?
Yes, one or few large ones. Which isn't really that different scenario. Why, then, are there so many different brands of Automobiles? 10 companies control 86.4% of market. And there is some government intervention involved. I see. And in the US? How many car companies are available over here in the US? (And what about the other 13.6% of the market?) One statistic I found was 68.7 for top 5 companies... So likely very similar. I don't see the 13.6 lasting too long if companies had every possible means available, that include things like sabotage...
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on: April 27, 2013, 06:30:01 PM
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Why, then, are there so many different brands of Automobiles?
Or brands of icecream--and phone companies. Also, computer manufacturers Pizza delivery services... Video game publishers... Bicycle makers... Which system are you rooting for, btw? If not capitalism. EDIT: And true, if you go deeper into things in many fields there is worryingly small amount of big players... I believe the best spot is in the middle. State providing most security services, some of basic infrastructure, education, social security and health care. Private industry is free to compete in these areas, but their operations are limited by sensible regulation. That is protection of nature and people and limiting the merges as such there isn't too big players. Too far in either direction just end disaster for majority.
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on: April 27, 2013, 06:13:55 PM
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I don't trust in free market,
This is all you really needed to say. I see it like this: Now there is one large force which I have very minor say in. In other scenario I believe it ends up with one large force with me having no say in.
You really think that one company will be able to dominate the market? Yes, one or few large ones. Which isn't really that different scenario. That is on now comparable to nation scale. And I don't see too much movement population between areas controlled by them.
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on: April 27, 2013, 06:07:26 PM
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So from one force to an other, but this time private one... I'm not really sure it's preferable situation, as the size of companies isn't limited. The system presented in video seems scary...
Would you rather have competing services for security, who you use and pay for on a voluntary basis, or a single, all-powerful monopoly on the security service industry, which you must pay for involuntarily? Personally, I wouldn't like it if McDonalds was the only burger joint in the nation, of which I had to pay them every time they set up a new store, or risk jail time; they could then charge 20$ a burger and take their time filling out orders at the drive thru--I mean, where else are you gonna go for fast food? I think, when it boils down to it, people are always willing to pay for security, so there may as well be competition to provide the best service possible. As in the case of the monostatism, they can essentially do what they want without fear that another government will out perform them. They can provide a terrible service and charge out the butt to use it; since they own the military, they can also force you to pay for their service, whether you want it or not. It's a pretty ugly system that we have now, if you ask me, full of bullying and corruption. I see it like this: Now there is one large force which I have very minor say in. In other scenario I believe it ends up with one large force with me having no say in. States do have some rules, non-states don't have to have any. They could just say that you did something wrong and you have to pay. And if you don't pay the make you a slave. And if they are sufficiently large and profitable no one can stop them. And we are back to feudalism...
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on: April 27, 2013, 05:57:53 PM
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The system presented in video seems scary...
Why? I see dystopian future of mega corporations, corporate war, lack of regulation and slavery. I don't trust in free market, eventually some player will grow to be too large and it's too late for collective incentive to go against it... Really just think how many people go for the cheapest option, not regarding other cost involved. Corporations or large entities aren't moral, they are out for their own good and can be rather short sighted...
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on: April 27, 2013, 05:50:54 PM
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Next question: Who forces you to pay the damages to landowners?
There is likely always someone who don't care about pollution, specially if you have access to international markets...
Private security businesses and arbitrators (which take the place of police and the justice system.) This video can explain it quite well. Edit: Whups, goofed up on the URL So from one force to an other, but this time private one... I'm not really sure it's preferable situation, as the size of companies isn't limited. The system presented in video seems scary...
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on: April 27, 2013, 04:08:18 PM
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Currently it's more profitable to ruin the environment than to sustain it, how do you prevent this?
While I'm waiting for you to answer my question, I'll answer yours. The reason it is more profitable is because politicians are cheaper to buy than land. If you had to pay the landowners damages for polluting their land, it would be much more expensive. Next question: Who forces you to pay the damages to landowners? There is likely always someone who don't care about pollution, specially if you have access to international markets...
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