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4261  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: BTC for money transfer to China on: September 13, 2012, 10:06:44 PM
Could anyone do this?

What is "this" ...   ?

International wire transfers to a bank in China are one way.  Doing this from Mt. Gox's BTC/CNY market probably incurs fewer fees than other methods.

You can also withdraw as Tencent or Alipay using BTCChina.

You can fund a Western Union money transfer using bitcoins.

But the methods to trade into and out of bitcoin in China isn't as developed as elsewhere just yet.

Could you describe in a little more detail what you are looking to do?

Here's a list of cash-out methods:
 - http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Selling_bitcoins
4262  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Paper Wallet to bitcoin-qt on: September 13, 2012, 10:01:30 PM
I haven't been here for a long time due to transition from fresh grad to working "adult".

Anyway, I'm intrigued by the development of Paper Wallet. My question however is how do I add the address from the paper wallet to the bitcoin-qt (for when I need to spend btc - possibly need to update blocks?)

So for example, I go to https://www.bitaddress.org/ and I created a btc address, let's say xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; along with it a private key of yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy. How (if there's a way) do I add this address to the bicoin client, bitcoin-qt??

You can do this with the API method importprivkey:

 - http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Importprivkey
4263  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Does bitmit (bitmit.net) pay taxes? on: September 13, 2012, 09:37:49 PM
There are various taxes .. sales taxes, excise taxes, payroll taxes, value added taxes, income taxes, etc.,

Each jurisdiction may have differing requirements.

Does bitmit (bitmit.net) pay taxes?

If sale taxes or VAT are applicable, it might be up to the individual selling through BitMit to collect them, but BitMit probably has no responsibility to interfere.    For sites like eBay with auctions, many of the sellers are individuals, these are personal sales (e.g.,, as a hobby, not as a business).   To help ensure that larger sellers are booking revenues, compliance efforts occur through reporting by the payment networks (e.g., PayPal).  With Bitcoin, visibility to a centralized payment system is not possible.

What about a site like odesk - for freelancers - that used only bitcoins but had no comissions and got no profits. Would it have to pay taxes?

The method of payment wouldn't change whether or not taxes are due.  The use of bitcoin can make it harder for a tax authority to know if all applicable taxes were being paid but it doesn't remove the tax obligation if one were to exist.

Please discuss legallity and illegality issues of running a website that uses only bitcoins./quote]

That's like asking please discuss legality and illegality issues of running a store that uses only accepts cash for purchases.


4264  Local / Biete / Re: Biete 100 EUR ukash gegen BTC on: September 13, 2012, 08:44:09 PM
Nennt mir euren Preis!


[ via Google übersetzen  / via Google Translate:

Wenn Sie nicht bewusst waren, akzeptiert Bitcoin Nordic CashU. Ihre UKash durch CashU wird für Zahlungen verwendet, so kann es verwendet werden, um Bitcoin durch Bitcoin Nordic kaufen.
 - http://www.BitcoinNordic.com

Mercabit.eu zeigt die "nicht verfügbar" aber wenn sie wieder kommen Sie vielleicht ein Handel durch sie zu erhalten:
 - http://mercabit.eu
]

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If you weren't aware, Bitcoin Nordic accepts CashU. Your UKash is used by CashU for payments, thus it can be used to buy bitcoins through Bitcoin Nordic.
 - http://www.BitcoinNordic.com

Mercabit.eu currently shows "unavailable" but when they come back you might get a trade through them:
 - http://mercabit.eu
4265  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: You've got PayPal? I'll sell you Bitcoins. on: September 13, 2012, 08:29:20 PM
I've created an ebay auction here:

You're playing with fire, but maybe this is one approach that they'll not interfere with.

One question though.  Other physical bitcoin vendors say whether they retain a copy of the private key. 

I'm presuming you are keeping the private key for a period of time so that if the note gets lost in the mail, or are charged back before the shipment arrives (or for any number of reasons), you can reclaim the coins.  Is this the case?  If not, what is the private key retention.  Also, what assurance is there that you have a secure system that is not compromised ... e..g., are these generated using an air-gapped system?
4266  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Butterfly labs on: September 13, 2012, 07:38:17 PM
Can anyone confirm the est. wait time on orders ?

Are you referring to the backlog for the BitForce (FPGA) devices or to the SC (ASIC) product line (which, at this point, is still vapor)?
4267  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 1BR: Should the block reward be 50 BTC for ages? on: September 13, 2012, 07:36:06 PM
We'll change the algo in the bitcoin client. When the time for 25 BTC reward comes we'll see which part of the network becomes the winner.

And who do you suppose, other than some miners who are ignorant of the term "economic majority", would use this modified client?
4268  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] bitaddress.org Safe JavaScript Bitcoin address/private key [BOUNTY 0.1BTC] on: September 13, 2012, 07:26:59 PM
Here's the service that makes the data: URL:

 - http://dataurl.net/#dataurlmaker

Make sure they don't sneak in some code to report your keys back to them (or make your keys not very random, etc.). Wink

Heh, well using View Source after loading the page will show source that I can ensure is identical  to the source from the BitAddress.org site   (though I can't do a checksum as View Source shows a <meta> tag was added.  But all the elements and javascript can be verified as being identical. )

Obviously I wouldn't trust this Data URL if I received it from anyone else but if I created it and validated it wasn't altered I would trust using it myself the way I described (from my own e-mail).

Point taken though ... for larger amounts I would only load a bitaddress .html directly where I know it has not been tampered with.  Using this data url, any tampering would be harder to notice.
4269  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] bitaddress.org Safe JavaScript Bitcoin address/private key [BOUNTY 0.1BTC] on: September 13, 2012, 06:53:24 PM
Thanks to a post by Jerry Brito, I learned that just like how you can turn a .jpg into a data:  so that your images can be included in the .html file, I see that the entire html can also go in as a data.  Here's his blog post:

 - http://jerrybrito.org/post/31469161810


So I was able to make a Data URL / link using the .html served by BitAddress.org into an URL that does not require any web server or locally stored .html file.

[Edit: Bah, this forum's url= forces an http://  so links with data:  are not usable here after they get prefixed with http://  so I can't show an example.  Here's a paste of the data: URL for a Hello World page.  That data: can be selected and copied, then pasted in your browser's URL field.

 - http://bitbin.it/raw.php?id=KnRQtiAj  ]

But this provides a solution to a problem I saw.  For a device that is essentially has security locked down with no local storage, I then can't just save the .html to allow me to generate a paper wallet after disabling the device's network connectivity.

And without network connectivity I can no longer access the web site to get the .html that way either.    But I can receive e-mail messages (though attachments are not supported).  Those previously received e-mail message are accessible even after disconnecting the device's network connectivity.

So using this Data URL method I now have a way to load the html that was originally from BitAddress.org without having either a local filesystem or network connectivity.

Here's the service that makes the data: URL:

 - http://dataurl.net/#dataurlmaker
4270  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bitcoins at 2718m asl on: September 13, 2012, 10:00:25 AM
Here's the link directly to the site:

 - http://rojacherhuette.mascht.com/
4271  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bitcoins at 2718m asl on: September 13, 2012, 08:51:27 AM
It is at 2718m elevation and only reachable by foot after a ~3h alpin hike - and we accepted bitcoin.

How, ... Satphone?

Or does mobile data signal reach?
4272  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: A Warning Against Using Taint on: September 13, 2012, 08:32:45 AM
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Now of course, this is absolute lunacy.  Cash is cash.  It is fungible money.

Bitcoins are the same.

No, they clearly are not. We wish bitcoins were fungible, but they are not, each bitcoin has a unique, identifiable number (and a string of previous transactions) associated with them, stored in a public database.

Cash is still king, until crypto-currencies nail the strong-anonymity problem natively (that bitcoin is deficient in).

Paper currency has serial numbers.  That data isn't collected so it is of little use currently, but cash has the capacity to carry taint and thus be less than fungible.  The drawbacks to doing that outweigh any benefit so that's why even the technology to start tracking that data will not be implemented.

Bitcoins can be transferred from one address in a wallet to another in the same wallet, and at that point it becomes less than 100% certain that they are still held by the original party.   Any recognition of taint then potentially penalizes innocents and thus cannot be allowed, regardless of the opportunity to do whatever good is intended.  Fungibility trumps all.
4273  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Need to upgrade? on: September 13, 2012, 06:13:47 AM
But the connections were ok, it was showing ten, and full bars in the green. Why would it be connected yet unable to download blocks?

You'll probably need to get the last couple dozen lines from debug.log and see if it says what the problem is.
4274  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: GLBSE & Google Authenticator Switching Procedure on: September 13, 2012, 05:31:04 AM
And there is no way of telling if its enabled or disabled, other than trying to login without using the key.

Ya, I get the same thing .. checkbox doesn't show that it was enabled already.

But I just disabled by leaving the checkboxes unchecked  and clicked the Enable/Disable submit button and it said "updated" like you got.  Then I logged out and logged back in without needed two factor, so it looked like it truly updated.

Then I went back to settings and did Two Factor -> Enable and it presented me with a QR code, so I guess that is a way to tell if it already enabled.  

So ... not sure why your disable didn't seem to disable.  Maybe it has something to do with cache or cookies?  I'm not sure, but mine worked, so I don't think it is a problem with the site.

[Edit: Oh, one other thing.  I think it does always throw you to requiring captcha at login the first time after changing the two-factor authentication.  But do that once, and you are good from there.]
4275  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: Bets of Bitcoin - Bitcoin betting on real world events on: September 13, 2012, 04:49:08 AM
Thought this might be of interest to some watching this thread:

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The Signal and the Noise: Why So Many Predictions Fail-but Some Don't

Silver visits the most successful forecasters in a range of areas, from hurricanes to baseball, from the poker table to the stock market, from Capitol Hill to the NBA. He explains and evaluates how these forecasters think and what bonds they share. What lies behind their success? Are they good—or just lucky? What patterns have they unraveled? And are their forecasts really right? He explores unanticipated commonalities and exposes unexpected juxtapositions. And sometimes, it is not so much how good a prediction is in an absolute sense that matters but how good it is relative to the competition. In other cases, prediction is still a very rudimentary—and dangerous—science.

Silver observes that the most accurate forecasters tend to have a superior command of probability, and they tend to be both humble and hardworking. They distinguish the predictable from the unpredictable, and they notice a thousand little details that lead them closer to the truth. Because of their appreciation of probability, they can distinguish the signal from the noise.

 - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/159420411X   <-- This title will be released on September 27, 2012.
4276  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: A Warning Against Using Taint on: September 13, 2012, 03:44:15 AM
A currency is fungible.  Period.  If it lacks fungibility it is no longer a currency and the entire rational for Bitcoin ceases to exist.


This was just learned again today after this:



Those were bills stolen in a robbery from a Bank of America.

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LAPD spokesman Sgt. Rudy Lopez said there was plenty of video footage of the chase that will help them identify those people who grabbed money from the street and the suspects' vehicle.

"If they're identified, they will be prosecuted for receiving stolen property," Lopez said, adding that conviction on such a charge, a felony, is punishable by more than a year in prison.

 - http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/09/police-still-investigating-cars-suspects-after-bizarre-bank-robbery.html

If the serial numbers for those bills were known, then the solution is simple right?    List a database of the stolen bills, and any of these tainted bills that end up at a bank get turned over to the secret service.  The person that deposited them loses those funds, as they were stolen property and thus they had no right to them in the first place (should have checked to see if they were tainted first!)

Now of course, this is absolute lunacy.  Cash is cash.  It is fungible money.

Bitcoins are the same.
4277  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Bitcoin.de Someone tries to scam me? on: September 13, 2012, 02:21:10 AM
I already checked the history because i only occassionally get a payment and there are all other payments but no payment from this person. And the person only clicked in bitcoin.de that he has paid, he doesnt speak with me. Maybe he wanted to fraud so that i accidentally click that i received the money?
The bad thing is that the support isnt speaking with me too. So i have the bitcoins frozen and cant change it because no one contacts me.

You are missing the point.  That is not your account history, that is the link that anyone can use to verify the details which confirm that a payment was sent.  Thus the sender has the technical ability to prove that payment was sent.

So simply insist that the person provide the details showing the payment that ANYONE can use to verify that it was sent.    Without that, there's nothing else for you to do, right?  

So i have the bitcoins frozen and cant change it because no one contacts me.

Right now you aren't out any money, right?  (Other than that your coins are reserved into the escrow for the transaction.)

If support has to arbitrate, then that Liberty Reserve transaction verification will force the sender to prove payment, and the money was never sent then that will of course not happen.
 - https://www.libertyreserve.com/en/services/search

And you'll get access to those coins eventually.
4278  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Lockhead Martin Job Posting - "Knowledge of ... Bitcoin" on: September 13, 2012, 01:54:45 AM
Now it's no longer Lockheed Martin that wants the analyst, it's "US Central Command."

This is an urban legend in progress.

That is Lockheed's job site:
 - http://lockheedmartin-topsecret.jobs/macdill-air-force-base-fl/counter-threat-finance-analyst/31150995/job/
4279  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: WTB: 20USD -> 2 BTC on: September 13, 2012, 01:51:54 AM
Im finding it very hard to exchange paypal for BTC, all i need is 2 BTC. Ive got 20 USD.

I answered this in the other thread you had, but I'll cross-post it here:

There is a cash deposit method in New Zealand.  Is there a Westpac bank nearby to you?  That would be a good option for you .. .simply walk in, hand over the deposit ticket from BitNZ, pay cash.  Boom, done.

If you don't have a Westpac near to you, you can still set start the order, and then send the deposit ticket to a friend, relative, coworker, or someone else who will deposit cash for you and does have one nearby.  You then send money to this party that helps you via PayPal.

 - https://bitnz.com


For anyone else reading along thinking that would be nice but a New Zealand bank is far away, here is the comprehensive list of where cash deposists can be made.

 - http://www.BitInstant.com (Deposit at major banks, 7-11, Walmart, CVS, Moneygram, etc., or in Brazil using Boleto or Banco Recomendito, or in Russia, using Qiwi or Cyberplat.)
 - http://www.CAVirtEx.com (Deposit cash (CAD) at several banks)
 - http://www.Spendbitcoins.com (Deposit cash (AUD) at a bank in Australia)
 - http://www.MrBitcoins.com (Deposit cash at a bank in U.S. (USD), India (INR), Australia (AUD))
 - http://BitcoinNordic.com (Purchase CashU or UKash in dozens of countries)
 - http://www.BTC-E.com (Deposit cash (USD) at bank locations in Russia)
 - http://www.BitNZ.com (Deposit cash (NZD) at Westpac in New Zealand.)
 - http://www.MtGox.com (Deposit cash (GBP) at Barclays)
 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=87094.0 (Deposit cash (USD), $500 or more at B of A, Wells Fargo and PNC Bank in the U.S.)



The fees aren't trivial but you can use a credit card to purchase by using VirWoX where you can buy SLL using your Serve card as a credit card, then trade SLL for BTC:
 - http://www.VirWoX.com

This probably does't help you if you are looking to spend the coins anytime soon, but you can buy physical Bitcoin, paid for with credit card:
 - http://memorydealers.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=bitcoin


Or find a local trade.  There's someone selling in Aukland:
 - https://localbitcoins.com/location/NEW%20ZEALAND/aukland/


All kinds of options:
- http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Buying_bitcoins

4280  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: GLBSE & Google Authenticator Switching Procedure on: September 13, 2012, 01:48:57 AM
But turning off Google Auth does not appear to be working, after i complete it , it still requires the key to login.

That is the right way, so if it isn't recognizing that change then that's a problem with the service.

Did you enter a valid OTP when making the request to disable?

 - https://glbse.com/user/enable/two
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