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3821  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Jeremy Hansen in Vermont accepting political donations via Bitcoin on: October 04, 2012, 05:04:23 AM
And check out the platform website he (and his supporters) have developed:

Heh, I forgot that the word "platform" has different meanings based on context.  I was thinking software platform.  You are describing political platform, of course.

Interesting to see Bitcoin used for political campaign donations.  Here's the list of ones I'm aware of so far:

There is Mark Warden (NH State Rep):
 - http://www.howtoacceptbitcoin.com/2012/09/accepting-bitcoin-for-political.html


Eric Olson (running for U.S. Congress - ND ):
 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=51631.0


@GovGaryJohnson was gifted a physical bitcoin in 2011.  
 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=41892.msg606229#msg606229


and now Jeremy Hansen in Vermont.

This is great to see, and hopefully BitcoinBuilder can help a few more get on board.
3822  Economy / Economics / Re: Billionaires hate Bitcoin. on: October 04, 2012, 04:09:31 AM
Look at all the oblivious fools arguing market rhetoric.

Billionaires have billions because bankers can cheat. Bitcoins end cheating. QED. Cheating billionaires hate people having bitcoins.


It took me just fifteen minutes of listening to Bill Gates on Charlie Rose to confirm that billionaires don't and won't like BItcoin.

Mr. Gates throws around a lot of "we did this" type of statements, and what he really means is "we used our power and influence to get governments to do this".  I'm not saying the accomplishments were bad, but anything that lessen's a billionaire's influence will not be something the billionaires will support.

Fortunately Bitcoin isn't most valuable by gaining support of the relatively few billionaires but instead it is most valuable by gaining support of the billions (of people on the planet).

Here's the June 2012 interview:
 - http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/12436

At about 0:10:20 into the video:

Charlie Rose: [In India] How much corruption?

Bill Gates: Well there's always going to be some corruption.  You want to design systems that make it harder for there to be corruption.  Where you can really trace the money down to the recipient of that money.  It's partly why we'd like to get digital currencies on cellphones so you don't have as much where somebody else can collect it along the way.

Charlie Rose: You'ld like to get that done.  What is necessary for that to happen?

Bill Gates: The cellphones are now getting powerful enough.  The government has to set some standards.   There's a lot of energy being put into this in India.  It has happened only in Kenya.  It's the only developing country that has this digital currency.  And now that India sees that it has happened in one place they are trying to clear out the regulations and get it going?

Charlie Rose: And how does it work in Kenya?

Bill Gates: You can actually use your cellphone and send money to other people, like a relative that is out in the rural area or if you go into a store and buy something you can just do that on your cellphone.

Charlie Rose: And they take their cellphone in to do things buy products or whatever.

Bill Gates: Exactly. It makes all these financial issues -- the fees to move money around, to have loans of various types, it makes it a lot simpler when you aren't having to handle paper currency.


A few takeaways from that:

1.) For government spending where there is the need for transparency, there's no reason why triple-entry accounting shouldn't be mandatory.    Most of that can be done today, without the need for Bitcoin even.

2.) Mr. Gates might want to have someone explain to him the difference between a "digital currency" and "mobile banking", "electronic currency", "representative money", etc.

3.) ill Gates once said in an interview that he reads every page of The Economist.  If he still does, then he'ld know that it is not just Kenya where mobile banking and mobile payments are widely used:



 - http://www.economist.com/node/21553510


Mr. Gates has a very specific view on where innovation originates.  He is impressed with the level of research occurring from the top universities in China.  He talks about problems being solved after "lots of IQ" (and, presumably, money paying those salaries) are expended on certain problems.  

That map from the Economist article was recently used in another article which described "reverse innovation".  Reverse innovation is progress that occurs in the trenches -- in the developing world which the combination of local smarts apply technology and create new solutions to their problems that weren't introduced from the "top research" centers.   There's another term for "reserve innovation" --  free market competition.  When markets are free, the best solutions are sometimes discovered locally where the problems are most acute -- and not alwys designed in some office by some well-funded company thousands of miles away.

The local market in Kenya determined that mobile payments which allowed the transfer of value (mobile airtime credits) via SMS texting on feature phones worked fairly well when free of regulations (M-PESA didn't have to follow the same AML/KYC as banks in the country did.)

[Edited: Inserted a new point #2]
3823  Economy / Speculation / Re: The Weekend Dip Myth on: October 04, 2012, 02:05:42 AM
It is Wednesday evening (west) / Thursday morning (east) ... Weekend Dip decision time!

So we definitely aren't in a downtrend, where at the moment the exchange rate is at the highest level since the pirate rally/selloff in mid-August.  So there is NO green light indicating a Weekend Dip strategy should be attempted.  

And while these little weekend bounces that occur can sometimes juice the value of your account, the following chart shows how there's never been turns without first there being a parabolic rise blowoff top that happens first.  i.e.., maybe there will still be little dips, but they probably aren't worth chasing when in an uptrend.



And if you look at the 60-day chart, we aren't in a parabolic rise but pretty steady along a nice linear one (since the mid-august mini-crash).



 - https://ferroh.com/charts


But who knows though.  Without any decent methods to short bitcoin, the exchange rate rises to some level and all of a sudden the market gets spooked, the herd runs for the exits and nobody wants to be the last out.  

It can't be ignored that Bitcoin has had quite a run:



 - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/oimg?key=0AmcTCtjBoRWUdEgxb0lEb1h1M2htM05sY0pXd3FXQ2c&oid=3&zx=k0euet1rgp0i
3824  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: network terahash goes up, but not the price of btc on: October 04, 2012, 01:16:07 AM
I have no idea why people think the price of a BTC should go up in value when there is more of them available. It makes no sense to me.

Are you thinking a rising hash rate results in a higher number of coins mined?   It doesn't, as difficulty adjusts to compensate.

Back about two and a half years ago, when all the miners for the entire network combined was under 1 Ghash/s, about 7,200 bitcoins were mined each day.  Today with all miners combined totaling 22,000 Ghash/s, 7,200 bitcoins are mined each day.
3825  Economy / Auctions / Re: Progressive Bitcoin Auction Ending Oct 4, 2012 on: October 03, 2012, 11:27:20 PM
Bitcoin Payout starts at .1.

Each bids increases the payout by .01 Bitcoins.

http://www.mokimarket.com/auction_details/1699

Wouldn't this be more appropriate under gambling?
3826  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: WTB Bitcoin with OKPay on: October 03, 2012, 11:25:05 PM
I have some money in my OKPay account that I want to trade for bitcoin. I have $6.84 I'd trade for BTC0.52.

You are in luck!

Mt. Gox, BTC-E both accept OKPay for depositing USD funds.

 - http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Buying_bitcoins


Also, Bitcoins Direct does as well, but for purchases of $500 or more.

3827  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Proposal: Hardware wallet on: October 03, 2012, 11:22:31 PM
Any comments/concerns are welcome.

Related:

Hardware Bitcoin wallet - a minimal Bitcoin wallet for embedded devices
 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=78614.0

Smart card wallet, take 2
 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=94119.0

Bitcoins on a Raspberry Pi
 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=93724.0


3828  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2012-09-24 vermontelection.org - Vermont State Senate Candidate Accepts Bitcoin on: October 03, 2012, 11:08:25 PM
Discussion on this topic continues on this thread:

Jeremy Hansen in Vermont accepting political donations via Bitcoin
 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=115299.0
3829  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: bitinstant paycard on: October 03, 2012, 10:52:04 PM
From another thread:



 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=115308.0
3830  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: I have lr, need Btc-e Code or bitcoin on: October 03, 2012, 10:32:02 PM
i have got 3k lr,

Does BTC-E no longer take Liberty Reserve directly?

Either way, you sir, are in luck!

Several places will exchange your LR to either Bitcoins or to some redeemable code / voucher (e.g., MTGUSD, or VouchX USD accepted at exchanges like Bitcoin-24 and BitMe)

For instance, AurumXChange does this (the normal LR 1% trx fee applies)

 - https://www.aurumxchange.com/rates
 - https://www.aurumxchange.com/exchange

Your best deal is probably through BItcoins Direct (Tangible Cryptography).  They give you a rate better than Mt. Gox even:
 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=87094.0


And that way, you aren't having to deal with individual traders who rightfully are wary of trading their non-reversible bitcoins over-the-counter -- a method that oftentimes results in losses due to scamming.

[Update: Maybe the two of you can do a deal:
 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=115275.0 ]
3831  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bitcoin QT Wallet STUCK in Blockchain on: October 03, 2012, 10:23:46 PM
don't mess with anything unless/until you are sure that you have a good copy of the correct wallet.dat stored in a safe place.

Very good advice.


3. meanwhile i realized an available update --> installed it

Version 0.7? That's the most recent release.

If it is "stuck" it could be because it isn't connecting to peers.  Does the client show connections (status tray in bottom right)

The debug.log will show more of what the problem might be.
3832  Other / Off-topic / Re: Awesome Project List? on: October 03, 2012, 10:15:16 PM
Well I think we should make a list of all awesome projects that are going on!

Related:

   
I only barely found out about Bitcoin- What else do I not know about?
 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=94994.0
3833  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: New thread for ASIC testing on main net on: October 03, 2012, 10:11:31 PM
I don't see a way to unlock it.

How to unlock a thread?
 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=91119.0
3834  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: New to Bitcoin need visa help. on: October 03, 2012, 10:02:58 PM
What is the best/easiest/fastest way to exchange my BTC into a visa or my bank account. I live in Canada.

Cashing it is less difficult than buying bitcoins, but still not perfect.

If you are cashing out a large amount (thousands of dollars worth), then the wire fees from an exchange are not prohibitive and that ends up being the best deal

For amounts under $1K, CA VirtEx ends up a pretty fair deal.  Canadian Bitcoins also offers cash-out methods:
 - http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Selling_bitcoins

FastCash4Bitcoins doesn't yet support any Canadian banks but I believe they've mentioned Canada is first for expansion if/when they do.

But if you haven't done so yet, putting yourself up as a seller on LocalBitcoins might get you cash in hand at a better price than any other method.

 - http://www.LocalBitcoins.com
3835  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Legal Research on: October 03, 2012, 08:57:55 PM
I was wondering if anyone is curious about any other legal issues that BitCoin presents.

Let's say ordering online I get a Bitcoin address and send payment there.   Then the merchant claims no order existed, they received no payment, and the address wasn't theirs.

If I am buying something that gets shipped to me, the merchant can only get away with this for a few days before their reputation is tarnished.

Let's say instead this was a prepayment for an ASIC device.  Or a deposit at an exchange.  Or an investment.    The organization could probably get away with quite a haul doing this as there is a large span of time between when the payments were sent and when the funds "vaporized".

So there are suggestions as to how this might be remedied, including using cryptographically signed invoices from the merchant, and then the blockchain would prove that the payment to the requested address was indeed made.  

 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=107180.0
 - http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=29914146

My question is, would a GPG signed invoice be something legally recognized as proof that the merchant engaged in the contract?  How do I prove the public key used to confirm really was from the merchant?   Would a payment to that address existing in the blockchain be legally recognized as proof that payment was made?  How would the  customer / sender prove they were the sender of the funds, if challenged as to whether or not they have justification to pursue a case?

So this is the topic of anonymous payments, and likely one that has not received enough attention from a legal standpoint yet.

Another topic that might be interesting .. the finances for an unincorporated voluntary association.  This is what most GLBSE securities would be considered.   This issue must already have been addressed.  Consider the situation where a bunch of hunting buddies pitch in a few thousand dollars of "investment" in their buddy's design on a new deer stand.  And then the buddy sells the stands and earns profits.  They never incorporated,  Are they entitled to a proportionate share of the profits?   Can the investors be sued if the tree stand wasn't safe and someone sues after being injured?
3836  Economy / Goods / Re: Vinyl Decal Shop now accepting Bitcoin on: October 03, 2012, 08:19:39 PM
I am now accepting Bitcoin in my vinyl decal shop: http://www.azurerocket.com

I see you found Etsy Teams!  Great to have you as one of the growing number of Etsy sellers who accept bitcoin!
 - http://www.etsy.com/teams/10366/bitcoin
3837  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Can an expert list new ASIC companies and up coming products? on: October 03, 2012, 07:51:39 PM
a list of ASIC companies that are to release mining products with website info, specs and prices?

Like this?

 - http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison#ASICs
3838  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Reach out for the white spots! on: October 03, 2012, 07:45:18 PM
Where is this chart from? The linked article has no charts.

Sorry, yes that was from a different article:
 - http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/10/how-does-a-currency-drop-60-in-8-days-just-ask-iran/263159/

[Update: And in greater detail here:
 - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-03/guest-post-hyperinflation-has-arrived-iran ]

To help get a Farsi speaker, I have tweeted from the MultiBitOrg twitter account about it:
https://twitter.com/MultiBitOrg/status/253427704618160128

Jim, perhaps set up a Bitcoin address so that donations targeted to this feature can be sent?  Also, you might have multiple contributors of translations, how would a bounty be allocated?  (e.g., the bounty split proportionate to all all translations performed on Crowdin between now and a certain date (e.g., Nov 30th).  Or should there be one person that agrees to do all the remaining translations to receive the bounty?  )

Though there are several hundred phrases remaining, I can't see this being too big a job for one person fluent in the language who would knock these out after being incented with a decent bounty.

BTW, I pledge 1 BTC towards the Persian translation bounty as well.

[Update: The Multibit thread:
 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=43616.msg1241474#msg1241474 ]
3839  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Any way to get much faster confirmations? on: October 03, 2012, 06:43:49 PM
Is there any way to get much faster confirmations?

Well, you could work with SMPAKE, which will credit your Mt. Gox account after one confirmation (as long as your Mt. Gox account is verified, 2 confirmations with no verification.)

  - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=102176.0

So simply obtain a Bitcoin address for payment from SMPAKE and give that to the customer.

That cuts your problem down significantly.

If you want 0/confirmations, just make sure the merchant's node is configured properly (no incoming transactions, explicit outgoing connection to well-connected nodes) and possibly offer to insure by assessing a small fee on each transaction that covers the cost should any race attacks or Finney attacks be succesful.
3840  Other / Off-topic / Re: Google launches micropayments service for Web content on: October 03, 2012, 06:33:39 PM
Google trying out micropayments for web content

This is for charging amounts under a dollar.

Here's Google's page on their Web Content micropayments:

 - http://www.google.com/wallet/business/digital-goods/content.html#how-it-works


Here's another article on it:

 - http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/gigaom/articles/2012_10_03_google_relaunching_content_micropayments_initiative_under_wallet.html


None of these describe Google's cut, and Google isn't touting the low fees.  Since the lower floor for charges is twenty-five cents, it is possible the minimum fee would be around that level or not much lower than that. 
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