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4321  Economy / Exchanges / Re: www.BITSTAMP.net Bitcoin exchange site for USD/BTC on: September 11, 2012, 10:35:36 PM
- Bitstamp is using cold storage.

- Bitstamp currently keeps 85% - 90% of bitcoins in cold storage.

- Bitstamp currently has new deposits going to our live wallet. This will change in the near future and new deposits will go directly to cold storage.

- Bitstamp’s offline wallet is installed on a dedicated server that is only turned on when access to the bitcoin client is needed. This server is in a different location than the main server.

- Bitstamp maintains a full reserve of client USD funds and BTC funds.

- Bitstamp maintains a full offsite database backup.

- Bitstamp plans to address the handling of compromises in our forthcoming terms and conditions document.


Awesome, Nejc, thanks for your answer. 

As far as the offline wallet, is that connected to the network or does it have an air gap?   Armory has a method specifically built to allow the cold storage system to be air gapped:
 - http://bitcoinarmory.com/index.php/using-offline-wallets-in-armory
4322  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Business Info on: September 11, 2012, 10:27:46 PM
but I'm also curious about user base, diversity internationally, etc... I'm putting together a business plan and need to get some solid data.

That's the thing about a pseudonymous digital currency that is still a nascent technology, ... no data, except perhaps anecdotal.


Perhaps this will be of a little assistance:

 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=88927.0 (Completed survey)
 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=85967.0 (Planning and data collection)


4323  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Buying BitCoins by PayPal on: September 11, 2012, 10:23:00 PM
Anyone interested in selling Bitcoins by PayPal..


If you'ld like to know other options, the factors that matter in order to give you the best answer include:

 - Where are you located (country)?
 - How much are you looking to buy?
 - What payment methods do you have available?
 - How soon do you need access to the proceeds?
 - Is privacy important?


Quite simply, depositing cash at a bank or 7-11, Walmart, CVS is going to be the fastest and easiest way.

 - http://www.BitInstant.com (Deposit at major banks, 7-11, Walmart, CVS, Moneygram, etc., or in Brazil using Boleto or Banco Recomendito, or in Russia, using Qiwi or Cyberplat.)
 - http://www.CAVirtEx.com (Deposit cash at several banks)
 - http://www.Spendbitcoins.com (Deposit cash at a bank in Australia)
 - http://www.MrBitcoins.com (Deposit at a bank in U.S., India, Australia)
 - http://BitcoinNordic.com (Purchase CashU or UKash in dozens of countries)
 - http://www.BTC-E.com (Deposit cash (USD) at bank locations in Russia)


The fees aren't trivial but you can use a credit card to purchase by using VirWoX where you can buy SLL using your Serve card as a credit card, then trade SLL for BTC:
 - http://www.VirWoX.com

This probably does't help you if you are looking to spend the coins anytime soon, but you can buy physical Bitcoin, paid for with credit card:
 - http://memorydealers.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=bitcoin


Or find a local trade:
 - http://www.localbitcoins.com


All kinds of options:
- http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Buying_bitcoins
4324  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Escrow list on: September 11, 2012, 10:15:33 PM
State your Reputability, and any fees you require.

Another criteria might be if the escrowed funds will be held in full, without being lent out.
Also there's no protection from the "oops I got hacked" out.   I'm not sure what that might be ... perhaps promising to hold the funds are held in an offline, cold storage wallet?  (using Armory to create the spend transaction from the online node, thus no electronic hack is possible.)
4325  Bitcoin / Meetups / Re: Bitcoin Conference 2012- London 15-16 Sept | ANNOUNCEMENT sponsorship available! on: September 11, 2012, 09:53:00 PM
What are the details of this?


Quote
Dilemma of PayPal: 70% of tickets sold were via PayPal, our account is locked, and the fees are outrageous.

 - https://twitter.com/BitcoinConf2012/status/245462853975412736
4326  Economy / Goods / Re: [SALE] Gold for sale - NEW INVENTORY on: September 11, 2012, 09:36:37 PM
There was a request in another thread asking that a warning be placed here, as there is the assertion of identity theft by the OP here.  I don't know either way, just placing the link to the claim here:

 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=108736.0

Incidentally, trading over-the-counter involves risks.  The #bitcoin-otc helps lessen counterparty risk through its Web of Trust (WoT) and authorization mechanism (GPG-based authorization).
4327  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: WTB>LR for 2.5 btc on: September 11, 2012, 09:27:18 PM
leave offer im looking for LR

Presuming you are looking to trade bitcoins for them, there are multiple methods to do that, including conversion at AurumXChange.  I saw that BTC-E used to but their account still shows: "temporarily unavailable (the account has been blocked, under verification)".

 - http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Selling_bitcoins
4328  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Convention - to BTC or not to btc, that is the question. on: September 11, 2012, 08:59:31 PM
When we quote the currency what is the preferred method:
My preference is

10 BTC

and

10 bitcoins

As far as capitalization:

The convention I hold to quite carefully is to call the technology "BitCoin" [Edited: "Bitcoin"] and the money itself "bitcoins".  This is largely so that even at the beginning of a sentence it can be clear whether I am referring to specific coins or the technology as a whole.  It is an arbitrary choice, but I feel it improves communication of the concepts.

As far as the symbol, I'm not sure. I've seen  10 USDs and 10 USD both used.  I'm sure the journalist style book has the proper use.  

Now instead if we just used Ƀ10 instead. it wouldn't matter.

Universal Bitcoin Logo Alternative
 - http://www.ecogex.com/bitcoin/
4329  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Is dwolla still good for BTC on: September 11, 2012, 08:45:09 PM
1. Is dwolla still a reliable way to transfer money into MTGOX?

You will need to have your account verified at Mt. Gox before those funds from a Dwolla transfer will be credited to your Mt. Gox account.  But once that is true, the transfer is pretty quick (minutes to hours).


2. If not, what is the quickest way to get BTC without cash deposit?

There are individuals who will trade with you.  The frequent traders get flagged as high risk, just like a bitcoin exchange, but those who do Dwolla transfers infrequently with others can trade with you.  Some of them monitor this thread, specifically for announcing funds available for transfer:

 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=78512.0

Otherwise, now that the clock is ticking you can send those funds back to your bank if you didn't want them tied up at Dwolla until your 30-day probationary period is up.
4330  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Cold Wallet Failure Mode on: September 11, 2012, 08:29:46 PM
Anybody worried about mtgox losing their money by one of its employee forgetting the password to its cold wallet? Or perhaps magicaltux got hit by a bus?
It would be quite foolish if he had a master password unlocking all the cold funds.

Those deposits also are at risk of an e-Gold scenario:

Quote
The Department of Justice also obtained a restraining order on the defendants to prevent the dissipation of assets by the defendants, and 24 seizure warrants on over 58 accounts believed to be property involved in money laundering and operation of an unlicensed money transmitting business. The restraining order does not limit the E‑Gold operation’s ability to use its existing funds to satisfy requests to exchange E-Gold into national currency for customers of non-seized accounts, or its ability to sell precious metals to accomplish the same, once approval has been received.

According to the indictment, E‑Gold’s digital currency, “E‑Gold,” functioned as an alternative payment system and was purportedly backed by stored physical gold. Persons seeking to use the E‑Gold payment system were only required to provide a valid email address to open an E‑Gold account – no other contact information was verified. Once an individual opened an E‑Gold account, he/she could fund the account using any number of exchangers, which converted national currency into E‑Gold. Once open and funded, account holders could access their accounts through the Internet and conduct anonymous transactions with other parties anywhere in the world.

 - http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2007/April/07_crm_301.html

About the only reason to store bitcoins with an exchange is if you have open orders with the exchange or plan to use those coins in trading.

One reason people like to have coins already deposited is so that if there is a development, trading can commence immediately without having to wait for six confirmations. 

Fortunately there is a service to help cut that time down.  SMPAKE.com

 - http://smpake.com   <--    Funds credited to your Mt. Gox account in 1 confirmation (verified account) or 2 confirmations (non-verified/pseudonymous account at Mt. Gox).

4331  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: GPU mining question. on: September 11, 2012, 07:19:21 PM
You wouldn't happen to have any technical doc's that explain the 5xxx arch and why that's desired for bitcoin.

 - http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Why_a_GPU_mines_faster_than_a_CPU#Why_are_AMD_GPUs_faster_than_Nvidia_GPUs.3F
4332  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: BuyBTC.cz - First BTC for Czech Crowns Service. on: September 11, 2012, 05:13:57 PM
Please consider creating an article on the Bitcoin wiki for this.


Thanks! Will do! -dennison

Done.

 - http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BuyBTC.cz
4333  Economy / Gambling / Re: Lost all of my bitcoins on bitZino and it provably sucks on: September 11, 2012, 04:47:47 PM
I'm just glad there isn't a mobile version - I would be screwed. lol

The Blackjack is a little awkward to use from my Android, but definitely playable.

On a tablet (iPad or other), it works pretty slick.    So much for catching up on e-mails on the next flight, for example.
4334  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: A true Bitcoin bank. Accepts bitcoin deposits and Monitizes accounts. on: September 11, 2012, 04:42:46 PM
Ie Insures against price devaluation? It could be profitable when the price is going up; but very important to sell if the prices go down.

Well since nobody knows in advance which way the exchange rate will move, nobody can promise the full return if the rate goes up but no loss if the price declines.


Has anyone seen on the form a startup Bitcoin Bank that insures Deposits in USD, <or other native currency?

There are ways to protect against a declining exchange rate.  There is a premium you pay for that and there is a significant penalty for early withdrawal.  Not only that, there is some exposure to counterparty risk.

One method of providing a "bank account insured with USDs" is to write CALL optioins or buy PUT options, such as those from MPEx.

 - https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/MPEx
 - http://polimedia.us/bitcoin/mpex.php

But "banking" is something people are looking to earn from, not pay a fee for thus the premiums for these protections are prohibitive for "banking".  If you want insured USDs, trade your coins at an exchange and do an ACH to a bank.  That's the path from BTC to insured USDs.

There has been discussion on ways to more easily hold USDs after converting from BTCs:


Any interest in an offshore bank which accepts & exchanges Bitcoins?
 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=102996.0

A "Bitcoin Dollarization" Exchange?
 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=104171.0
4335  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: A "Bitcoin Dollarization" Exchange? on: September 11, 2012, 04:40:54 PM
How a USD account can earn interest (thus participate in global investment) and not be subject to FATCA is a whole category of business I know nothing about.

 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Account_Tax_Compliance_Act

Kind of related:

Any interest in an offshore bank which accepts & exchanges Bitcoins?
 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=102996.0
4336  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Any interest in an offshore bank which accepts & exchanges Bitcoins? on: September 11, 2012, 04:39:58 PM
To clarify is this wouldn't be a "bank" in the traditional sense.  It wouldn't offer loans, offer interest, or engage in fractional reserve banking.  It would merely provide demand (deposit) accounts.

Kind of related:

A "Bitcoin Dollarization" Exchange?
 -  http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=104171.0
4337  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Always ask for a receipt. on: September 11, 2012, 04:07:41 PM
I cant believe people send anonymous individuals thousands of bitcoins without even requiring a simple acknowledgement that they received a good or service.

A pseudonymous digital currency certainly changes things doesn't it?  This is also being discussed in another thread.  Here's a excerpt:


It definitely isn't needed for buying a donut:
 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X53ksjejmns

I probably don't need a digitally signed payment request from Amazon because if their payment page didn't acknowledged my payment my next action is to contact their support.  If their system is compromised where I get a fake payment acknowledgement they'll know about the problem long before I notice that nothing showed at my door.

But for transactions where where there is a time component, such as where the payment creates or extinguishes a debt, that's where in practice this protocol becomes more needed.

With most traditional non-cash payment systems, we don't need a receipt in many instances because the payment system holds identity.  When I send a check for a car payment to the bank, I don't need a receipt, If there is a dispute then if that check was cashed that's my proof of payment.

For relatively insignificant amounts of money for transactions both cash and pseudonymous digital currency seem to work just fine the way they are currently used.   If I give you cash and you don't give me my donut, chances are right there and then I'll be getting my cash back -- though it may involve me making a stink in public about it.  

A receipt should be signed and dated and have the person/business details you got the service or good from. In the event of a fraud you will then have something to show the relevent authorities. Dont go and report a bitcoin theft without this proof because the police will simply fob you off.

With Bitcoin, there doesn't even need to be an action post-payment.  Here's why:


That's when I'm going to want them to give me a signed message that not only says what Bitcoin address to send my payment to but the account number that the payment will be applied to as well.

With the blockchain providing the proof that payment was made, this signed payment request from before I pay is all I need then to later prove that I made the payment.

Gavin's addresses how in the future Bitcoin might address this:

We need a payment protocol with non-repudiation built in.

See https://gist.github.com/2217885 for a multisig version (the singlesig version is simpler, but the merchant <-> customer communication will be the same).
4338  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Searching BTC - Send uKash 340 EUR on: September 11, 2012, 09:26:15 AM
Hey,

I have 340 EUR in uKash and search for some one, who can change it for me in BTC.

Simon

If you weren't aware, Mercabit.eu (by paraipan) does that:

 - http://mercabit.eu/
4339  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Coins in UK on: September 11, 2012, 09:25:07 AM
I need between 20-30 coins. and more on regular basis
can use paypal but would rather not.
dont really want to be registering on a website i just want to find somebody with good rep with usable payment method for me. (cash bank deposit? vouchers? person>person?)

I am in the north of England.


Do you have a Barclay's location near?  With Mt. Gox you can deposit cash at Barclays for credit to your Mt. Gox account.  A 1.5% fee applies.  You don't need to register anything other than an e-mail address with Mt. Gox (though they may grief you if you use Tor to access your account).

 - https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/MtGox#UK_.28GBP.29

There is a site called London Bitcoin Exchange, though there is not much about them yet so if you do trade, perhaps use an escrow.
 - http://londonbitcoinexchange.wordpress.com/

You can send cash (GBP) or check to Bitcoin Nordic, by mail, to purchase bitcoins:
 - http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Bitcoin_Nordic

You might find a local trader (or place an buy order and see if anyone is selling):
 - http://www.LocalBitcoins.com

There are a number of methods:

 - http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Buying_bitcoins

You are probably too far away but you would find someone willing to trade at the London Bitcoin Conference:
 - http://www.bitcoin2012.com
 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67199.0
4340  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Bitcoin he-said she-said, or, will digitally signed payment requests be needed? on: September 11, 2012, 07:27:45 AM
Give us the answer Stephen!!

Ha, I have only questions.

Well, actually I have scenarios and have no solution to offer.

Take the current lawsuit against Bitcoinica.  How do the plaintiffs prove they sent even a single satoshi to Bitcoinica?  

The areas where a payment protocol might be used theoretically applies to nearly every transaction but practically that need doesn't arise very often.  It definitely isn't needed for buying a donut:
 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X53ksjejmns

I probably don't need a digitally signed payment request from Amazon because if their payment page didn't acknowledged my payment my next action is to contact their support.  If their system is compromised where I get a fake payment acknowledgement they'll know about the problem long before I notice that nothing showed at my door.

But for transactions where where there is a time component, such as where the payment creates or extinguishes a debt, that's where in practice this protocol becomes more needed.  

If I send payment to be applied to my credit card balance, I want to be able to prove they got the payment.  That's when I'm going to want them to give me a signed message that not only says what Bitcoin address to send my payment to but the account number that the payment will be applied to as well.

With the blockchain providing the proof that payment was made, this signed payment request from before I pay is all I need then to later prove that I made the payment.

We need a payment protocol with non-repudiation built in.

See https://gist.github.com/2217885 for a multisig version (the singlesig version is simpler, but the merchant <-> customer communication will be the same).

From a cursory look into e-signatures it took just minutes to conclude one thing ... what a mess!  So even though you and I know that nobody other than the holder of the private key for a Bitcoin address could have produced a signed message, would having that even help the plaintiffs one iota in a lawsuit such as the one referenced above?

There are standards for e-signing that are enforceable but these standards aren't universal around the world, and they can vary state-to-state in the U.S. even.   So it is possible that even if Bitcoin supported this protocol, those needing e-signature would probably implement it outside of Bitcoin in the manner needed for the relevant jurisdiction(s).

That being said, if there were a protocol built in and it were to become generally adopted, it would probably find itself becoming a legally recognized method shorly after as well.
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