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1461  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Is there a difficulty chart anywhere? "bitcoin.sipa.be" is dead. on: September 26, 2011, 07:59:37 PM
OK, it's back up now. Thanks.
1462  Economy / Securities / Re: GLBSE: BMMO on: September 26, 2011, 07:00:34 PM



Of course, the people behind this are trying to hide behind a domain anonymization service run by Enom, so they think they can just disappear. But there are ways to get through that anonymity. (If you need to do this, "WHOIS PRIVACY PROTECTION SERVICE" is a Nevada corporation which is a front for Enom. D&B has contact information for that company.  If you file a lawsuit, name Enom as a co-defendant; they'll immediately cave and disclose the actual party behind the domain.)

We aren't here to rip anyone off, however, as stated in our asset contract (where?), we may suspend mining if it becomes unprofitable, for as long as we see fit to mitigate loss, or, indefinitely.


Then you are not committing to anything and your "contract" is worthless.


Where? On the GLBSE of course, any GLBSE user will know where, as the asset contract is what you are actually buying.  If GLBSE users think its worthless, they will price it accordingly.


"BMMO" isn't even listed on the GLBSE.
1463  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: When is it time to solo? on: September 26, 2011, 04:48:00 PM
I have 1.3GH now, and on average, for the past 4 months I've been getting between 1 and .5 BTC per day.

How can I know if it's time to solo mine?

It was time to solo mine around January 2011.  Now it's too late.
1464  Bitcoin / Mining / Is there a difficulty chart anywhere? "bitcoin.sipa.be" is dead. on: September 26, 2011, 04:38:57 PM
Is there a historical and current difficulty vs time chart anywhere? "bitcoin.sipa.be" is dead. Thanks.

1465  Economy / Securities / Re: GLBSE: BMMO on: September 26, 2011, 04:32:20 PM



Of course, the people behind this are trying to hide behind a domain anonymization service run by Enom, so they think they can just disappear. But there are ways to get through that anonymity. (If you need to do this, "WHOIS PRIVACY PROTECTION SERVICE" is a Nevada corporation which is a front for Enom. D&B has contact information for that company.  If you file a lawsuit, name Enom as a co-defendant; they'll immediately cave and disclose the actual party behind the domain.)

We aren't here to rip anyone off, however, as stated in our asset contract (where?), we may suspend mining if it becomes unprofitable, for as long as we see fit to mitigate loss, or, indefinitely.


Then you are not committing to anything and your "contract" is worthless.
1466  Economy / Securities / Re: GLBSE: BMMO on: September 26, 2011, 05:39:55 AM
We issued shares representing 1 MH.  They are being sold on the free market.  These are not company ownership shares, they are a share of our mining capacity only.[/quote]

That raises some interesting issues. The seller is selling the right to receive a service without limit of time. In other words, you get the service forever.

They can't change those terms retroactively for people who've already bought. Since they haven't published terms, they're bound by their advertising.

Of course, the people behind this are trying to hide behind a domain anonymization service run by Enom, so they think they can just disappear. But there are ways to get through that anonymity. (If you need to do this, "WHOIS PRIVACY PROTECTION SERVICE" is a Nevada corporation which is a front for Enom. D&B has contact information for that company.  If you file a lawsuit, name Enom as a co-defendant; they'll immediately cave and disclose the actual party behind the domain.)
1467  Economy / Securities / Re: GLBSE: BMMO on: September 25, 2011, 10:17:28 PM
how would this be profitable for investors. please correct me if i am wrong, my math is not the best. at current difficulty 1mhash would give 0.02btc per month. current market ask price is 1.2 btc so it would take 6 months to return the initial investment.

Check your math:

  1.2 btc / 0.02btc per month = 60 months = 5 years.
1468  Economy / Speculation / Re: how many of you use https://glbse.com/ on: September 25, 2011, 05:40:49 PM
Other dividends come from investments in other companies and getting dividends from them (bitcointorrentz ect).  Also more btc's will trickle in from advertising from some of my sites that I create. Smiley

See, thats what I meant. "Hip pocket - breast pocket" operations we call it in Dutch. Its a mini bubble or even Ponzi. Company A investing in B and company B buying adds in C and C buying shares in A;  increasing each others share value and using that "profit" to pay out early investors.  Sorry guys, that's not how it works. Unless these listed businesses start earning money from outside their closed system, it can't and wont last.

BTW that problem isn't unique to GLBSE; it's something the entire Bitcoin economy seems to suffer from. If it can't reach out to the real world economy out there, its all pointless, or rather, worthless.

Right.  Go read High-yield investment program on Wikipedia. This scam isn't unique to Bitcoin. See this long list of failed High Yield Investment Programs.

This is why there's an SEC, with required 10-K filings, so you can see where the money comes from.

Before investing in Bitcoins, you should know at least 1) the history of Tulipomania, 2) what happened to the South Sea Bubble, 3) the story of John Law's bank, 4) how Enron blew it,  and 5) how Madoff did it. It's also worth understanding what happened to DigiCash and Beenz, and, conversely, why the currencies of Facebook, iTunes, and Zynga are successful.
1469  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why has bear sentiment gone up again? on: September 25, 2011, 05:18:43 PM
Why has bear sentiment gone up?

Well lets see, bitcoins price dropped from $30 to $4 dollars, over a period of a few months of constant slow dropping.

Why the heck do you think bear sentiment has gone up?
Right.

The last few days may have looked like a rally to some. But the usual pattern of no more than three 'up" days before a drop persisted.

Volume in currency has been declining. Current volume levels are comparable to late April 2011, when the rise was just beginning. There are more 'bots making fast trades now, so the buys that aren't sold within minutes are probably much lower.

As Bitcoin winds down, the long, slow slide continues.
1470  Economy / Speculation / Re: High Volume, Low Price Movement on: September 25, 2011, 05:01:59 PM
It's not clear how much of the volume is the same money going around and around. With all the bot activity, some of the market activity has to be that.
1471  Economy / Speculation / Re: Crash to $2 imminent. Willing to bet. on: September 25, 2011, 04:58:36 PM
It takes quite a bit of electricity and equipment investment to generate 1 Bitcoin, the costs should already exceed USD1.  Bitcoin has developed quite well, though still on an extremely small scale, but at parity, I would feel the upside potential outweigh the risks quite a lot to warrant a gamble.
Just because the manufacturing cost exceeds some value doesn't mean it has that value to a buyer.
1472  Economy / Speculation / Re: Get ready for a sharp rise in Bitcoin use on: September 23, 2011, 04:34:30 PM
Doubt that, we've all heard it before. 
Yes. Bit-Pay has two customers, one of which is owned by the people behind Bit-Pay. This is the other one.
1473  Economy / Speculation / Re: how many of you use https://glbse.com/ on: September 23, 2011, 04:30:03 PM
I use glbse and actually own shares of SMM and enjoy my daily dividends. I would like to see more companies listed and see some success. I do like the direction it is headed.

The dividends will get bigger in time.  Plus there will be  lump payments when I get dividends from investments.  I also can't wait for more companies to join.  I think the glbse is a great way to help companies jumpstart at warp speed. 

Since buying new hardware for Bitcoin mining is currently not profitable, where are the dividends coming from?
1474  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: MTGOX Withdrawal issue on: September 22, 2011, 07:39:17 PM
Well, the first thing I'd do would be to contact mtgox.  If that doesn't work, I think I would then check any of the dozens of other identical threads here on the forums to see what the other people did.
What's wrong with this picture?

The fact that a lot of people over a period of months have reported problems getting money out of Mt. Gox is a major red flag.
1475  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoinica spreads off the charts on: September 22, 2011, 07:15:33 PM
To get back on track, I love this graph. I wonder what happened on the 15th, where "as transactions increase, spreads will decrease." Suuuuuuuuuuuure will!

Given their exposure to volatility, they have to have huge spreads.
1476  Economy / Speculation / Re: how many of you use https://glbse.com/ on: September 22, 2011, 07:13:48 PM
I have a company on there SMM.  Running pretty smooth so far.  I mine plus invest in new companies on there.  If you plan on starting something just make sure you have a plan.  Its stressful when things go wrong and you have investors waiting on the other end. 

Um.

GBLSE has a blind pool which invests in scams. What's wrong with this picture?
1477  Economy / Speculation / Re: At the end of the month, everybody sells their coins to pay for their rent & etc on: September 22, 2011, 07:09:31 PM
I just dont see merchants as investors.  they make their money on the sales, not the speculating.  Personally I would have my website setup to offer people whatever the current "instant sale price is on the exchange" and immediately convert it to the local currency.

Right. The volatility is so high that merchants operating on normal merchant-sized margins can't afford to hold Bitcoins for more than a few hours, if that. Especially since the long term trend is down by $4 a month.
1478  Economy / Speculation / Re: Someone is trying to manipulate the market (Mt.Gox) and are successful... on: September 22, 2011, 07:07:09 PM
Indeed, the manipulation is more dangerous than I thought... Specially now that we have bitcoinica...
I bought lots of BTC at 6, and then that 17k BTC wall appeared along with several massive dumps...
quickly BTC went to near 5, and I got a forced liquidation Sad
What did you expect to happen if you bought on margin?

In case you haven't noticed, Bitcoin hasn't had more than three consecutive up days in the last 3 months. Buying on the third day at 6 was dumb. Buying at 6 on margin was dumber.

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Click on my ponzi scheme link please
Someone is trying to find others dumber than they are.
1479  Economy / Speculation / Re: serious discussion on the strategy of the manipulator. Please no flame posts on: September 21, 2011, 09:21:43 PM
It's clear that there are some active traders with programs trying to profit from small swings. But averaged out over a month, they have little effect.


Bitcoin, down $4 a month every month since June.

On the scale of days, there are lots of little "rallies" and "crashes". But few exceed 3 days, and at the end of each cycle, the price is down. Each time there's a "rally", after about two days the market depth on the buy side dries up.  We're watching a thinly traded market being played by short term traders, probably with the same money going round and round.
1480  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Bitcoinica - Advanced Bitcoin Trading Platform on: September 21, 2011, 09:02:43 PM
When someone sends coins to Mybitcoin, they are now Mybitcoin's coins, and sender receives an IOU for same amount of coins in return. It is easy to say "I have 100 coins" when that person means "I have an IOU for 100 coins". If it was blatant, then it is fraud and not theft. We should all be careful when sending coins, if they dont have a reason to honor the IOUs, or don't protect their coins well enough, we shouldn't send in the first place.
This brings up an important legal point. When you have "deposited" something with a depository institution, are you a creditor with just an IOU?  Or do you still own the thing and they're just storing it for you?

There are laws in this area, and what happens varies with the type of institution. For a bank, all you have is an IOU.  That's why banks are so strongly regulated.  For a US stockbroker, though, stock in your account belongs to you. Even if the broker goes bankrupt, the stock still belongs to you, and it had better be there. That's why Bernie Madoff is now Federal Prisoner #61727-054 and is sitting in a prison cell right now. That's also the law on money transfer firms in Japan, which is where Mt. Gox operates.

Even where assets are aggregated, as in a grain elevator or gold vault, you can still have actual ownership. There's a whole system of warehouse receipts for that sort of thing, and the law of the Uniform Commercial Code to back it up. That's been settled law for a century.

So you have more than an IOU. You have ownership of the asset. A non-bank depository institution which takes it is guilty of theft. Bankruptcy does not relieve them of that responsibility.
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