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1001  Economy / Exchanges / Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering] on: January 25, 2014, 08:36:15 PM
The problem is lack of competition.  Should a reputable exchange with good customer service (or at least somewhat good customer service) pop up in the US, I'm sure many users would jump ship in a heartbeat... and not just from mt gox but from just about every other exchange.  This may be the greatest opportunity for a reputable wall street investment bank or other large, reputable company with the resources to tap into a wide open market where users would flock in droves. 

Opening a reputable US exchange would be the business opportunity of a lifetime.
The last two US exchanges, Tradehill and Kraken, both of which boasted about their "professionalism", turned out to be flakes.

It's really pretty simple. To be a Bitcoin exchange or market maker in the US, you should be a SEC registered broker/dealer. There's a lot of "oh, Bitcoin is different and doesn't need to be regulated" talk on here. By now, it should be obvious why broker/dealers are regulated - otherwise, there's a huge temptation to take the money and run, which over half of Bitcoin exchanges have done. It's not clear that it's absolutely necessary under US law to be a broker/dealer to be a Bitcoin dealer. What is clear that if you are an SEC registered broker/dealer, there's no problem. There are even advantages over being registered with the SEC - no need for state-level money transfer registration.

The problem, of course, is that most of the people doing Bitcoin exchanges don't have the training or the money to start a brokerage firm. It's not just paperwork. There are exams, audits, financial requirements, insurance, background checks... That's what you have to do to handle other people's money.

Eventually, if Bitcoin stays around, somebody who is already a broker-dealer will start dealing in it. Then there will be a way to buy and sell Bitcoins without all these delays, excuses, and losses.

Incidentally, as for the Know Your Customer and Anti-Money Laundering requirements, with a real broker, you take care of that when you open an account.  You never get told you can't withdraw your money. If a legit US broker did that, they'd be in big trouble. Some sleazy brokers dealing in Pink Sheets stocks have tried that on occasion. Some of them now have Federal prisoner numbers.
1002  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Flow of money: Bitcoin needs some B2B adoption on: January 24, 2014, 07:44:27 PM
Reasons this isn't happening:
  • Way too much volatility.
  • Not enough liquidity.
  • No legit exchanges.
  • Wire transfer fees don't go up with the amount.
Trying to unload 10,000 BTC would crash the market. But that's a reasonable size for a single B2B transaction.
1003  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Time for Mt Gox to apply wired US$ to account on: January 24, 2014, 06:30:41 PM
Dunno, but its been more than 6 weeks since I requested a bank withdrawal. Ive emailed their support several times and each tine they just say 'its in the queue and sorry we have a backlog, blah blah'.

Once all my funds are out I wont be dealing with them again.

Mt. Gox hasn't paid out US dollar withdrawals since June 2013. See this thread.

It's suckers like you who keep them in business.
1004  Economy / Speculation / Re: gox-stamp differential on: January 23, 2014, 08:34:30 PM
Hmmm...

MtGox 947
Stamp 810

Gox is 17% above Stamp!

This is the highest I've ever seen and I check the prices daily!
It hit 20% last year. Now, though, Gox really does seem to be running out of money. First they stopped paying out USD last summer. Then they started stalling on EUR withdrawals. Now they're even stalling on JPY withdrawals.
1005  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: 2014-01-20 contrariancompliance: What Would a BitLicense Look Like? on: January 23, 2014, 07:18:28 AM
There's an another option: get licensed as a broker/dealer with the SEC. Every broker in the US does that. Then you can deal in any tradeable security or commodity. There are exams, financial requirements, insurance, and audits. Each customer gets $500,000 in insurance against broker fraud and theft from the SIPC.  (They paid off Madoff's customers up to that limit, for example.) Brokers pay the premium for this.

The SEC also licenses exchanges. I once asked Tradehill if they had SEC licensing. They disappeared shortly thereafter.

There are big advantages to being a licensed broker/dealer. Banks will deal with you at the wholesale level. You can get connected to ACH and even SWIFT and do your own wire transfers.

Yes, there are crooked brokers, and FINRA is there to go after them. FINRA fines brokers several hundred million dollars a year on average.
1006  Economy / Exchanges / Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering] on: January 22, 2014, 11:59:17 PM
They must manage clients' asset apart from their capital principal. They could act as a market maker but they have to use their own capital. If not they can easily go running out of cash in the current situation. They are not a bank so they must not lend BTC to someone else and must not use for their own.
Must? Do you mean you think that's Japanese law?
It is Japanese law. See Section 2 of the Payment Services Act.
1007  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Can you contact Tradehill? on: January 22, 2014, 07:16:02 PM
I see this thread died off in November but figured I would drop notie of my experience with TH.

I was one of the many customers whose bitcoins vanished without notice when Tradehill shut down two years ago. After an email sent to the support@tradehill address, Jared Kenna answered me quite promptly verifying the amount owed to me and asking me for a wallet address he could deposit them to. I immediately responded with my wallet address and thanked him for his business.

Weeks and months went by without any news about my coins. I started emailing TH support 3-5 times a week asking for the status of my coins without receiving a response. Eventually, after 5 months, I sent an email threatening legal action. Surprisingly, my coins were returned and Jared Kenna contacted me again to verify that the transaction had gone through properly.

It was a long hassle but ultimately everything got straightened out.
Yes, litigation works in these situations. Even threats of litigation sometimes work.

There's a whole system out there designed to deal with people who take the money and run. There are business called "skip tracers" who specialize in finding people who ran. Lawsuits where they just refuse to pay up are usually not very complex or expensive.
1008  Economy / Exchanges / Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering] on: January 20, 2014, 10:40:15 PM
Notice the pattern. First USD withdrawals slowed down and stopped. Then EUR.  Now JPY.  Some days, BTC. This just screams "out of money" and "getting close to the collapse".

Make sure that the Japanese police have the fingerprints of the Mt. Gox management on file.
1009  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Here's how you ensure Bitcoin succeeds: on: January 19, 2014, 08:39:54 PM
Right. Gotta recruit more suckers.

Remember, Bitcoin is zero-sum. For ever winner, there must be a loser. The supply of losers must be constantly replenished with more suckers.
1010  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Amir Taaki needs to stop talking about bitcoins on: January 19, 2014, 08:36:22 PM
Re: "...it is bringing money laundering from big people to the common people.."

He's right. That's what powered the whole China-based run-up. Bitcoin provided an easy way for little people to bypass China's exchange controls and turn yuan into dollars or euros. Big players could already use export businesses and offices outside of China to do it, or move currency through Hong Kong or Singapore, but the little guy was stuck in yuan.

Then the People's Bank of China cracked down on Bitcoin, and that doesn't work any more.
1011  Economy / Speculation / Re: Another BEARS ONLY discussion. When will bitcoin finally drop and how far? on: January 19, 2014, 07:40:47 PM
For a brief time, Bitcon was a legal way for people in China to get money out of yuan and into dollars or euros. China has rather severe restrictions on moving capital out of yuan. That made Bitcoin very useful in China. This drove a big run-up in Bitcoin prices.

That's over. There's a lot of denial about this on the forums, but the People's Bank of China has made their decision and is enforcing it. There's a lot of talk on the forums about "no one can stop Bitcoin" and such. They're missing the point. Bitcoin was, briefly, a safe, easy, and legal way to move capital out of China.  The PBC has taken away "safe, legal, and easy". It's not totally impossible for someone in China to buy Bitcoins and sell them outside China for dollars. But there's now a chance of getting caught. So the advantage of Bitcoin over other illegal and semi-legal approaches (taking cash to Singapore or Hong Kong, for example) has been lost.

Bitcoin really ought to slide down to back where it was pre-China, but may not go down that far.

It's worth remembering that Bitcoin is zero-sum. Profits made by any seller of Bitcoin are losses for someone else. A continuing supply of losers is necessary to keep this thing going. So far, recruitment of marks has been successful, but it's hard to keep that going indefinitely.
1012  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2014-01-16 Guardian - Will buying porn turn out to be Bitcoin's killer app? on: January 17, 2014, 06:52:34 PM
There are still people who pay for porn?
1013  Economy / Speculation / Re: China has no plans to ban Bitcoin on: January 16, 2014, 09:07:08 PM
Anyone who read that as "China has no plans to ban Bitcoin" is engaging in wishful thinking. Read the actual text from the press conference.

Google automatic translation:

Q: Japanese public television:

There is a question about bitcoin, as China's central bank on Bitcoin development in China how to treat? Do you think bitcoin will bring what risks? The Chinese government should prohibit the use of bitcoins it?

A: Shengsong Cheng:

About Bitcoin problems, the People's Bank and other five ministries jointly issued a notice, I would like to emphasize, first, we propose, is not the true meaning of bitcoin currency. Second, we prompt the Bitcoin risk and made the request.

Bitcoin is a specific virtual goods. What I understand is called money? The first is the medium of exchange currency is widely accepted by society as a whole medium for the exchange of commodities. Monetary developments in the history of thousands of years, once the physical currency, the final form of physical currency is gold and silver. Like Marx said natural gold is money. The most essential characteristic of money is a medium of exchange and measure of value. Itself to be valuable, so it can be denominated. Since gold production is limited, it can not meet the growing social and economic development, so the gold standard collapsed. From the later seventies of last century, the world monetary credit system completely behind monetary credit system is a powerful force of national credit and forced the country, so we put the national currency, credit currency called legal tender.


We take a look at Bitcoin, Bitcoin is not having the characteristics of these currencies? As far as I know, the vast majority of countries do not recognize the Bitcoin currency status. Currency in circulation in addition to the media, the value of scale functions, there is a very important function is denominated instruments. Bitcoin itself is not denominated in the currency, nor as the quote currency is possible. Plunged wild speculation "currency" can be used as currency it? Bitcoin transactions for good, good investment, you need to pay attention to its risk. People's Bank and the relevant departments will continue to focus on the movements of Bitcoin and associated risks, strengthen the monitoring, analysis, and guide the public to establish a correct concept of money and investment philosophy. Thank you.


Key points here are 1) he refers back to the PBC notice on Bitcoin policy. That's the official position - banks, money transfer services, etc. can't be involved with Bitcoin. He's not indicating any change from that. And 2), the PBC is watching, monitoring, and will "guide the public to establish a correct concept of money and investment philosophy". China has serious capital controls. "Guidance" means telling (not asking) people to do or not do something. If further restrictions are needed, the PBC is ready to make them.
1014  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Could bitcoin network cope with massive adoption? on: January 15, 2014, 08:09:37 PM
The network is temporary currently throttled to ~7tps at the moment.
Right. It's up to ghash.io, which controls most mining power, to decide whether that gets to be raised. They may decide to raise fees instead.
1015  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: 2Th/s Preorder worth it? on: January 14, 2014, 07:38:34 AM
Anything involving a "preorder" probably isn't worth it. You'll end up getting the hardware just as it becomes unprofitable to operate.
1016  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The 3 Unavoidable Problems for Bitcoin on: January 14, 2014, 07:35:54 AM
No, the three unavoidable problems for Bitcoin are:
  • Anonymous, remote, irrevocable transactions are the scammer's dream. This makes Bitcoin a scam magnet.
  • The confirmation process is too slow for real-world commerce.
  • The volatility is so high that nothing real can be priced in Bitcoins.
1017  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 'bitcoin is a ponzi scheme and wont last without china'-south china morning post on: January 13, 2014, 07:09:39 PM
The South China Morning Post is independent and well respected.  It's not the "party line". Xinhua and People's Daily are the official party line. SCMP criticizes the government of China frequently. They'll mention Falun Gong favorably, and often criticize the "princelings" (sons of older party officials") who are expected to become leaders in China. They're not as independent as they used to be when Rupert Murdoch owned them, though. On business news, they're usually accurate. 

The Hong Kong Economic Journal also considers Bitcoin to be a bubble, one of many in China.  The Pacific Standard says Bitcoin didn't crash after the China crackdown and may survive. They point out that customers spent over $100 million last year on Zynga in-game purchases.

You should be reading all of these to find out what's happening with Bitcoin in China.
1018  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Overstock.com's News on Accepting Bitcoin, Underwhelming Price Boost. on: January 13, 2014, 05:54:43 AM
@OverstockCEO just tweeted that in the first 21hrs of bitcoin acceptance, they did the equivalent of $124,000 in sales across 780 orders. By my calcs, that's about 4% of their total daily business. And double the margin (their avg margin is 2%, and with bitcoin, they save 2% on the lack of credit card fees). Not bad at all.
There are still fees for using Bitcoin. Coinbase has about an 0.5% spread, and a 1% fee.  So it costs Overstock about 1.5% to accept Bitcoin.
1019  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Bitcoin price discrepancy at different exchanges on: January 13, 2014, 05:49:22 AM
Why is there a nearly $100 price difference between BTC prices at Mt. Gox and Coinbase?
Because you can't get dollars out of Mt. Gox. They've been in default for over six months. See this thread.
1020  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: What do those unconfirmed transactions mean? on: January 12, 2014, 09:26:09 PM
There are only 521 unconfirmed transactions right now. Today is a slow day. What's the problem?

When that number gets up into the thousands, the block chain is backing up.  Bitcoin is limited to about 7 transactions per second, and during busy periods, confirmations will back up.
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