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1281  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Not worth mining any longer for anyone not already in. Am I wrong? on: August 03, 2013, 08:36:11 PM
Mining is going pro, and anyone wanting to get into it needs to understand that.

This is a marginal business, and if you want to actually make a profit doing it you have to treat it like a real business and not as a get-rich-quick gold rush.
No, you have to treat it as a get-rich-quick gold rush. The difficulty keeps increasing. Collectively, the total revenues of all miners have a hard limit.  That total revenue per month declines each month. Any edge you have in hardware only produces profits for a short period. There is no long-term business in Bitcoin mining. Bitcoin is designed that way.
1282  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Mt gox successful withdrawal on: August 03, 2013, 07:03:18 PM
Three months late is better than nothing. But it's not acceptable.

Mt. Gox should be consistently settling on T+2, like FOREX brokers. That's trade date plus 2 business days. Not weeks.

One of the reasons the real-world financial system insists on fast settlement is that if a party goes broke, you only lose a few days of transactions. Not months.
1283  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Can you contact Tradehill? on: August 02, 2013, 05:29:49 PM
They are indeed at 1 Market Street. 
...
They focus on high net worth individuals.  Typically these type of investors want to work with a company that is reputable.  1 market street has that.   
Which tower? What suite?  I called the building office, remember.
1284  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Can you contact Tradehill? on: August 01, 2013, 09:37:51 PM

Their domain records say:

 tradehill
 2415 mission st
 san francisco, CA 94110
 US


2415 Mission St, San Francisco, California.
The mail drop place is 2417 Mission. 2415 is probably above "Wholesale Fashion Shoes".

This is Jared's "hacker hotel":

20mission "Hacker Hotel" above the T-Mobile store.
Same building, different entrance. Mission St. on the right, 20th St. on the left.

20mission lists Tradehill as a tenant.  That may be where they really are.

Could be worse. PayPal started above Palo Alto Bicycles on University Avenue in Palo Alto.
1285  Economy / Exchanges / Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering] on: August 01, 2013, 05:48:20 PM
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Well, that's a perfectly terrible piece. Vigna had the opportunity to ask some pretty probing questions, but didn't bother. What a waste.
The article says "Mt. Gox representative Thomas Glucksmann-Smith wrote in an email response to inquiries from MoneyBeat...". All Vigna really has is an email response from Mt. Gox "customer support." I'm disappointed.
1286  Economy / Exchanges / Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering] on: August 01, 2013, 06:55:30 AM
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In that article, Gox say quite clearly "“We have no problems with liquidity and we never have”.
From their perspective, Mt. Gox doesn't have a liquidity problem.  Their customers may have a problem, but Mt. Gox doesn't, since they don't have a hard obligation to pay up on a specific number of days after the trade.  If they had to settle by T+2, like everybody else in foreign exchange, they'd be dead by now. 

In the real world, when you sell a stock, you must be paid by T+3, that is, the third business day after the trade. Money market funds usually settle on T+1.  Foreign exchange transactions settle by T+2. These are hard limits - a brokerage that fails to meet the settlement date is in default, in big trouble, and may be out of business within days.  That happened to Lehman.  Hero to zero in three days.  (Here's the dramatized version of the Lehman collapse, courtesy of the BBC.)

Note that Mt. Gox did not say that they have 100% of customer funds. Their terms of service say they must keep 100% of customer funds in a segregated account. Whether they actually have all the money is an open question.
1287  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: How to apply pressure to Mt. Gox to pay up. on: July 31, 2013, 06:41:19 PM
I know someone who has $1 million waiting to transfer out...

And they don't have some combination of lawyers, debt collectors, Japan FSA investigators, and goons banging on Mt. Gox's door in Shibuya?
1288  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Can you contact Tradehill? on: July 31, 2013, 06:04:18 PM
Thanks a lot to all of you who have found out something or shared insights & thought.

Yes, a company that has mail forwarding set up for the address they post as their business address on their web page would be regarded highly suspicious in Europe.
That's because it's illegal in Europe: "In addition to other information requirements established by Community law, Member States shall ensure that the service provider shall render easily, directly and permanently accessible to the recipients of the service and competent authorities, at least the following information:

(a) the name of the service provider;
(b) the geographic address at which the service provider is established"


That's from the European Directive on Electronic Commerce, the purpose of which was to encourage citizens of the EU to deal with companies in the EU but in other countries. The EU does this to discourage "take the money and run" operations.
1289  Economy / Exchanges / Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering] on: July 31, 2013, 03:13:42 AM
Ok this is worrying: "BTC : You can still withdraw up to 0.00000000 BTC provided you have enough on your account (your limit is 0.00000000 BTC per 24 hours )"

Does this mean we cannot even withdraw BTC from MtGox anymore?
Could you post a screenshot of that, please?  Thanks.
1290  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Can you contact Tradehill? on: July 30, 2013, 06:09:23 PM
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Address listed on website.

1 Market Street
San Francisco...
....
1 Market Plaza is a huge upscale twin tower plaza complete with restaurants and stores that houses the San Francisco elite businesses like SalesForce, Paramount and some BOA executive offices as well high profile law and investment firms. Without knowing which tower and suite you'd never find them.

I just called the building management office of One Market, a building I have been in many times.  Autodesk has their museum/meeting center/training center there.

Conversation with the building office:

Q: Do you have a tenant called Tradehill, Inc?
A: No. They might be a subtenant of some other tenant, though.
Q: What would happen if someone mailed a letter to Tradehill Inc, One Market?
A: It would probably just sit there.

Any questions?

            John Nagle
1291  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Two weeks more for cash withdrawals of USD!!!!!!! on: July 30, 2013, 05:46:59 PM
They know that this will eventually become public information and a 'run' on their Bitcoin coffers would began as customers realized that holding USD$ on MtGox is akin to holding a fiat currency that can purchase only one thing: Increasingly more expensive Bitcoins from the MtGox order book. That will push the premium of a Bitcoin up while driving down the relative value of any fiat being held on the exchange.
That's already happened. The spread between Mt. Gox and other exchanges is now around 10%.  The price of Bitcoins is not going up; the value of a dollar stuck in Mt. Gox is going down.
1292  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: What do you guys think of BitEnsure? Interest Bearing Wallets on: July 30, 2013, 04:58:29 PM
Reality check: anybody who could get returns like that wouldn't be peddling it on some Bitcoin forum.
1293  Economy / Speculation / Re: Where we are. on: July 30, 2013, 04:23:17 AM
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But that is not what I was talking about regarding their market share. The implication has been that foot dragging on USD withdrawals is supposed to somehow boost the price, and so benefit Gox somehow. Which is a ridiculous notion, because it ends up hurting their market share when they are less liquid than competing exchanges.
Mt. Gox's problems do increase the USD/Bitcoin price on Mt. Gox, because a dollar you can't get out of Mt. Gox is worth less than a dollar you can.

Whether Mt. Gox is 1) broke, 2) manipulating the market, 3) stealing customer funds, or 4) merely incompetent is not clear. Read the threads over in "Service discussion". The Mt. Gox situation is very bad and getting worse. 
1294  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: MtGOX WTF is going on? on: July 30, 2013, 03:52:51 AM
If anybody is waiting for a USD wire transfer from MtGox back to a US bank account PM me right away.

I have a way for you to get your money out of MtGox and into your hands immediately. No waiting, no fees, no headaches.
(All posts from that user appear to be ads for Bitcoin-Brokers.)
1295  Economy / Exchanges / Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering] on: July 29, 2013, 05:50:43 PM
If anybody is waiting for a USD wire transfer from MtGox back to a US bank account PM me right away.
(All posts from that user appear to be ads for Bitcoin-Brokers.)
1296  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: 0.25 BTC Bounty - Show me a Mt Gox USD Withdrawal :) on: July 29, 2013, 06:05:52 AM
Have been waiting on a CAD currency withdrawal for about 3 weeks now.
So Mt. Gox withdrawals in USD, Euros, and CAD are now stalled. Are Bitcoin withdrawals still reliable, or is that starting to break down too?
1297  Economy / Exchanges / Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering] on: July 29, 2013, 05:34:20 AM
The value of Gox is not just in being an exchange, it's the price discovery for BTC, so many merchants and other things are linked into the Gox price. Another exchange would take a while to fill that void.

Prices on Mt. Gox are getting more unrealistic as more people run into withdrawal problems. There's now a 12% spread between BTC-E and Mt. Gox in Bitcoin/USD.

The other exchanges are iffy, though. BTC-E is in Russia, and Bitstamp's address in the UK is a mail drop.  Nobody is really strong enough to make a market.

1298  Other / Off-topic / Re: would anyone buy a seamless spherical polypropylene house? on: July 28, 2013, 03:54:21 AM

The Monsanto House of the Future
100% synthetic materials.  Built by Monsanto at Disneyland in 1957, it was open for tours for a decade.  It held up fine, but was demolished in the late 1960s (the wrecking ball bounced off and they had to use saws) to make room for another attraction.


Rubbermaid's largest plastic shed.

Rubbermaid has a whole line of plastic sheds. They keep coming out with larger models. They could easily make a house if there was a market.

Fire resistance is a problem. 
1299  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Speculators: Stop using Mt. Gox. on: July 27, 2013, 05:01:32 PM
The reason Bitcoin prices on Mt. Gox are higher than the other exchanges is because nobody can get their money out of Mt. Gox. The arbitrageurs are stuck.  Normally, when there's a significant difference between prices on two exchanges, somebody buys on one and sells on the other, making an immediate profit. Soon, the spread narrows and such activity stops. There are 'bots doing this automatically. It's the same money going round and round; arbitrageurs don't have to keep injecting money into the system to do this.

With Mt. Gox refusing to allow withdrawals (or broke), that activity stops, due to lack of available cash for buying Bitcoins on non Mt. Gox exchanges. The necessary cash is stuck (or lost) in Mt. Gox cash accounts.

Putting in more money to buy Bitcoins on Bitstamp to sell on Mt. Gox would be a big mistake. You end up with a cash balance on Mt. Gox you can't withdraw and may lose if (when) they go down.
1300  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why do most Bitcoiners seem intelligent? on: July 27, 2013, 05:17:27 AM
Nagle, why are you always so negative?

I'm realistic.
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