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141  Economy / Speculation / Re: What will the floor be ??? on: January 14, 2015, 09:47:33 PM
163 dollars +/-, don't wait for sub 100, not gonna happen, because everyone is waiting for it

WHY DO WE KEEP SEEING THESE!! AHHHHHHHHHHHH I feel like I'm losing my mind, stop saying things are never going to happen! That's been said at every mark from 1,200, 1,100 1,000, 900, 800, 700, 600, 500, 400, 300, 200, 100. It will happen.

At what mark do you think it will stop happening?
142  Economy / Speculation / Re: Trading help on: January 14, 2015, 09:34:05 PM
I like this exchange

https://www.kraken.com/

You can see a list of most major exchanges here

http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin/#markets

Click each exchange's name to see a page with a link to its website.
143  Economy / Speculation / Re: What will be the bottom over the next two weeks? on: January 14, 2015, 09:29:33 PM
The ultra bears might want a lower bottom than 0.01
144  Economy / Speculation / Re: "Bitcoin, the get-rich-quick scheme is definitely dead" - Andreas Antonopoulos on: January 14, 2015, 09:27:15 PM
why did you post it now that we have just been given the opportunity of buying at very low prices before the next spike??
Because there is no next spike and if there is it will just be a dead cat bounce?

If sometime within the next 3 years it has bounced above the previous ATH of a little over $1000, will you be calling that a dead cat bounce? Hypothetically speaking of course. I know you don't think this will happen.




He will abandon his newbie account if that happens.
145  Economy / Speculation / Re: Going to bed @184 bitstamp. What will it be when I wake up? on: January 14, 2015, 09:11:24 PM
$190
146  Economy / Speculation / Re: "Bitcoin, the get-rich-quick scheme is definitely dead" - Andreas Antonopoulos on: January 14, 2015, 09:09:12 PM
Who is Andreas Antonopoulos and why should we give a shit what he says?

He's like the jesus of Bitcoin, number one authority, Bitcoin spokesman etc... If there's a single face of Bitcoin it's Andreas Antonopoulos.

He's just another guy like you and me. Nobody is special in bitcoin, IMO.

P.S.: Why did you change his quote for the title?  Roll Eyes

It says here he fell out with the Bitcoin Foundation, and was criticized by lead bitcoin developer Gavin Andresen. I know who Gavin Andresen is, but this is just some guy who worked on a Bitcoin Foundation committee. He's not even a dev and fell out wit the people he worked with. Why should we give a shit what he says?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreas_Antonopoulos

Antonopoulos served as head of the Bitcoin Foundation's anti-poverty committee until 2014, resigning due to disagreements with its management. In a statement explaining the reasons for his resignation, he said "I can no longer have even the smallest association with the Bitcoin Foundation, because of the complete lack of transparency." Antonopoulos's decision was criticized by lead bitcoin developer Gavin Andresen, who questioned whether the Foundation was as "opaque" as Antonopoulos portrayed it.
147  Economy / Speculation / Re: "Bitcoin, the get-rich-quick scheme is definitely dead" - Andreas Antonopoulos on: January 14, 2015, 08:56:45 PM
Who is Andreas Antonopoulos and why should we give a shit what he says?
You are in this forum and you don't know who Andreas Antonopoulos is? wow

This somehow reminds me of the sandlot when the lead character doesn't know who Babe Ruth is. Smiley, like he'll cover it at some point, oh ... that Andreas Antonopoulos, yea nevermind.



Do you mean this guy? It says he wrote a bitcoin book, resigned from a bitcoin foundation committee, and pumped something called buttercoin.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreas_Antonopoulos
148  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 14, 2015, 08:47:08 PM
WTB 1000 MAGIC: THE GATHERING CARDS

What's the going price for magic the gathering cards?

It's not easy to figure out without a Magic The Gathering Online eXchange.

That's a brilliant idea. Mark Karples would be an ideal person to set it up and run it. I'm sure we could trust him not to make a pigs ear of it.
149  Economy / Speculation / Re: Going to bed @184 bitstamp. What will it be when I wake up? on: January 14, 2015, 08:43:16 PM
I found myself extremely sleep deprived recently due to watching bitstamp charts. Every time I finally do nod off for a few hours the price has moved big time. It always seems to happen when I'm asleep.
150  Economy / Speculation / Re: Mastering Fear on: January 14, 2015, 08:40:03 PM
Fear is a powerful emotion. It is an evolutionary holdover from thousands of years ago when it was necessary trait to survive. Have to run from a large cat? Yeah, that fear is going to get the adrenaline pumping and make you run faster and farther. Although technology has changed society, it hasn't changed humans very much. The same fears remain, sometimes brushed aside or ignored, but always there, waiting. Professional traders are well aware of this fact and through years of mastering and manipulating fear in others (and because of fierce competition within their own industry) have gained an edge over the non-educated investor. To understand how they do this will give you a greater understanding of how the markets generally work.

Fear of loss

During bear markets, there comes a point where investors can't stand the thought of further loss. This is fear. Fear of loss. Fear of being wrong. Fear of having to explain to your friends and family why the investment you made lost so much money. It results in a selling climax that accelerates and gains momentum. Soon panic selling ensues (usually near the bottom) then rebounds like a basketball. If the volume is great enough it can even change the trend from bear to bull. This happens every time, in every market throughout history. Why is that? Why doesn't the price continue to fall? The answer is that investors, having waited on the sidelines for attractive prices, stop the selling. If they didn't, the price would fall forever. The buyers of these climactic selloffs are obviously bullish on the price or they wouldn't be buying. They plan to sell back at higher prices.

Fear of missing out

The second fear that is the cause of greed and jealousy. It is fear of missing out. Say your neighbor or friend got rich with a certain stock. Certainly this gives you a strong temptation to buy the same stock and profit for yourself as you are jealous and seek to improve your financial position. It's no different with Bitcoin. Having accumulated coins (or stock, it works the same way), the same investors who bought all the extra supply at wholesale prices are now holding. The selling is slowly stopped as those who are tempted to sell eventually give in and leveraged positions are covered. Once this happens, the price will have a fairly easy time going up (with a little help of course). Suddenly sentiment changes, prices soar upwards and good news abounds. As the price shoots up, suddenly those on the sidelines begin to feel fear again: Fear of missing out. They buy back in. At some point, the fear of missing out on profit becomes too great and "the herd" panic buys, usually near the top. This gives the investors a perfect opportunity to sell to "the herd" at higher prices. As the stock is distributed to the new buyers, supply floods the market in greater quantities and the price tanks. This is called a buying climax and works in opposite to a selling climax.

Having identified both fears, it's fairly easy to see how they are manipulated for profit. Bad news often accompanies bear markets for the same reason good news accompanies bull markets. They are often timed this way to maximize profits for investors. During bull markets, investors can call their friends at CNBC and unwittingly the anchors and news outlets become stock pumpers. They don't know any better, but the smart money does. Why did good news about the dollar come out recently? Because it's at the top of a bull run and those who accumulated months ago need plenty of buy orders to sell into. Good news almost always accompanies market tops to tempt "the herd" into buying through fear. Now do you understand, on this forum and others, why there are so many negative trolls during bear markets and positive trolls during bull markets? They are not there to be your friend, that's for sure!

To test this theory, look at stocks that are being "pumped" on mainstream news outlets. Note the price and return a few months later--likely it will be lower. A good example is the dollar which has been in a steady uptrend for quite some time. Check out recent news, like this gem: http://www.wsj.com/articles/dont-buck-the-dollar-trend-heard-on-the-street-1421189831. There is a chart with the words "Fly Like an Eagle." Are large investors stockpiling dollars at this price? Probably not, but they need someone to sell to, and they know the dumb-dumb public will fall for this. Understanding how this process works, again and again, and how the herd falls for it again and again, is key to understanding how markets operate.
 

It's not often you read an honest post explaining how things work. Thanks for the explanation.
151  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 14, 2015, 08:33:44 PM
WTB 1000 MAGIC: THE GATHERING CARDS

What's the going price for magic the gathering cards?
152  Economy / Speculation / Re: "Bitcoin, the get-rich-quick scheme is definitely dead" - Andreas Antonopoulos on: January 14, 2015, 08:32:19 PM
Who is Andreas Antonopoulos and why should we give a shit what he says?
153  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Suicide / Kill ? on: January 14, 2015, 08:30:57 PM
There are an awful lot of newbie accounts posting that bitcoin is dead today.
154  Economy / Speculation / Re: Dispare phase on: January 14, 2015, 07:58:12 PM
There are still too many bulls to call this despair.  IMO, despair has arrived when the (vast?) majority of miners quit and block times skyrocket.  It's possible that there are enough people waiting to buy that that won't happen.  I would guess that buyers will show up en masse sub-$100, if we get there.

I'm not convinced that enough miners will ever quit to let us mine bitcoins on our laptops.
155  Economy / Speculation / Re: Russia is done, euro zone will be dragged into hell (again). on: January 14, 2015, 07:53:01 PM
If Russian banks go bankrupt the Russian government will just print more money and bail them out. All countries just print more money if they are going bankrupt.
156  Economy / Speculation / Re: What will the floor be ??? on: January 14, 2015, 07:48:06 PM
$152.4
157  Economy / Speculation / Re: At what price will you capitalize on this? on: January 14, 2015, 07:28:48 PM
We just got in the hundreds today. I'll judge by how quickly we drop lower when i buy. I'm thinking by Friday I'll have purchased btc. ($20-$80 range)

Hint: Price is below the production cost.

We only had this few times in the past.

Were there any mining farms mining the last time it happened?
158  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 14, 2015, 07:23:12 PM
Asks are drying up.

Can we see a proper bounce now?

$250 pls

Maybe, bitfinex started going up and now bitstamp seems to be following.

Edit/

192 on bitfinex
182 on bitstamp

Time for arb
159  Economy / Speculation / Re: This is really fucked up on: January 14, 2015, 07:19:07 PM
There were 45k bitcoins traded on bitfinex in less than an hour during the big crash this morning. That's definitely not normal and I don't think dumping that many coins is sustainable. That's almost the amount of  silk road bitcoins sold at the last auction, and those were not all dumped by the auction winners within the same hour.
160  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 14, 2015, 12:19:56 PM
Has anyone ever considered it may be the very people that print the dollars that dump bitcoin?

Yes. It is a distinct possibility one of our money printing friends is adding chaos to the market. But it is more likely a thief cashing out, or some collusion between miners or just good old fashioned speculation.

Cash should reach exchanges by tomorrow, follow through selling should happen sooner. Then we see where things go IMO.

Thanks

I had not considered the fact that those wanting to buy must wait for their cash to arrive at exchanges (unless they already have some deposited). So we might see a bounce tomorrow?
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